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(Detroit Free Press)   Pontiac Fiero Museum destroyed by floodwaters. Damages estimated to be in the tens of dollars   (freep.com) divider line
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2 days ago  
I've heard that the last year was the best year for the Fiero.  It had the v-6 and didn't catch fire so much, disc brakes at all four corners, and a new suspension design.  I'd like to drive one some time.
 
2 days ago  

ski9600: It had the v-6 and didn't catch fire so much


The V-6 was the only thing that made the car worth driving.  The 4 banger was a very sad little motor.
 
2 days ago  
Repeat.
 
2 days ago  

Marcus Aurelius: ski9600: It had the v-6 and didn't catch fire so much

The V-6 was the only thing that made the car worth driving.  The 4 banger was a very sad little motor.


The Iron Duke is stupid reliable. To this day the Iron Duke delivers your mail.

The problem in the Fiero was that the oil level was critical because they had to reduce the size of the oil pan and the average American never checks their oil. Also, in the first model year they got the metallurgy wrong on some of the rods. So the owners ran it dry, it threw a rod, and they were completely surprised that it burst into flames.

I'm just glad they made it, compromises and all. If they hadn't raided the parts bin it never would have existed. And truthfully, I've always wanted one.
 
2 days ago  
Is that a step up or down from the Miata?
 
2 days ago  
there are some cars that just make me vicariously sad and embarrassed for people. you know the person driving it is happy and proud that they bought a car but you also know that everyone else is laughing behind their back because it is a cheap POS. the Fierro was one of those, like a Hyundai. it is like the unpopular kid inviting the class to their birthday party and no one shows up. it is just sad.
 
2 days ago  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: Marcus Aurelius: ski9600: It had the v-6 and didn't catch fire so much

The V-6 was the only thing that made the car worth driving.  The 4 banger was a very sad little motor.

The Iron Duke is stupid reliable. To this day the Iron Duke delivers your mail.

The problem in the Fiero was that the oil level was critical because they had to reduce the size of the oil pan and the average American never checks their oil. Also, in the first model year they got the metallurgy wrong on some of the rods. So the owners ran it dry, it threw a rod, and they were completely surprised that it burst into flames.

I'm just glad they made it, compromises and all. If they hadn't raided the parts bin it never would have existed. And truthfully, I've always wanted one.


I'm too large to fit into one properly.  It's very amusing to some people.
 
2 days ago  

Glitchwerks: Repeat.


Gosh, do you think there's a way we can let them know about that? Too bad there's no button to click, no way to let the admins know.

#sad
 
2 days ago  
Wow. Man, that car is wrecked.

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2 days ago  
If it was going to be destroyed, a flood was probably for the best. I'm guessing they could not have possibly been able to get fire insurance.
 
2 days ago  
ski9600 img.fark.net    
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I've heard that the last year was the best year for the Fiero.  It had the v-6 and didn't catch fire so much, disc brakes at all four corners, and a new suspension design.  I'd like to drive one some time.

I had this vehicle for a few years, an '86, it was great. Sunroof, even an early car phone. But when I saw an 18-wheeler behind me in the rear-view mirror, I hoped to God it saw me:
 
2 days ago  

PreMortem: Is that a step up or down from the Miata?


Depends which gen Miata. Still a step down from the MR2 though.
 
2 days ago  
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2 days ago  
Bummer to see any museum damaged.

Dam failures in the US.  Inexcusable really.  I read a little about this one.   Glad I don't live in the path.
 
2 days ago  

Civilized Barbarian: PreMortem: Is that a step up or down from the Miata?

Depends which gen Miata. Still a step down from the MR2 though.


Ahh, the MR2. The patron saint of lift-off oversteer.
 
2 days ago  

PreMortem: Is that a step up or down from the Miata?


Not a good comparison since the Fiero is mid-engine and Miata is front. The MR2 is the comparison and the Toyota is far better by every possible metric.

But if you want cheap fun, you could do worse.
 
2 days ago  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: Marcus Aurelius: ski9600: It had the v-6 and didn't catch fire so much

The V-6 was the only thing that made the car worth driving.  The 4 banger was a very sad little motor.

The Iron Duke is stupid reliable. To this day the Iron Duke delivers your mail.

The problem in the Fiero was that the oil level was critical because they had to reduce the size of the oil pan and the average American never checks their oil. Also, in the first model year they got the metallurgy wrong on some of the rods. So the owners ran it dry, it threw a rod, and they were completely surprised that it burst into flames.

I'm just glad they made it, compromises and all. If they hadn't raided the parts bin it never would have existed. And truthfully, I've always wanted one.


Had an Iron Duke powered '88 Grand Am that got me through college; made the trip from Northern NJ to Western Indiana 4 times a year.  It had one of the first digital odometers but the first digit was either unlit or a 1, so when I sold it, it had 199,999 miles on it.  It had been that way for a few years, I figure it had ~230k when I sold it.

I never had an issue with the motor.  Not a lot of HP, it didn't spin very fast, but it had a decent torque curve for what it was which was fun with the 5 speed manual it had.

Alternators on the other hand, went through like 4 or 5 of them.

/csb
 
2 days ago  
I figured all fieros had be converted into Lambo body kit abortions by now.
 
2 days ago  

tricycleracer: [Fark user image 425x239]


Cue Miami Vice opening credits theme song.
 
2 days ago  
Friend and I are in aviation class.
We immediately get hired at Bombardier in Montreal.
Buddy suggests that we drive there together in his Fiero.
This is a 10 hour trip approx 800 miles.

Worst decision ever!
 
2 days ago  

ski9600: I've heard that the last year was the best year for the Fiero.  It had the v-6 and didn't catch fire so much, disc brakes at all four corners, and a new suspension design.  I'd like to drive one some time.


The original design was brilliant. Then GM ruined it by deciding to not create new motor and suspension components, using only what they already had on the shelf. From the Chevette and Citation lines. It literally had the front end of both. One at the front, the other turned around backwards at the rear.
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Once they realized it was a bad idea, they finally paid to have the car built properly, but too late to save its reputation. Those last few built to the original engineers designs were actually truly exceptional cars.
 
2 days ago  
A friend had one and I drove it a few times.  Nothing spectacular, but it got her to/from work.

I always thought the outside was pretty, but that dashboard was ugly.
 
2 days ago  

ski9600: I've heard that the last year was the best year for the Fiero.  It had the v-6 and didn't catch fire so much, disc brakes at all four corners, and a new suspension design.  I'd like to drive one some time.


Le Baron convertible FTW.
If I were to own some unreliable POS with a veneer of sportiness / luxury, it would be the Le Baron convertible...  even though you can't drive if it might rain because the top won't deploy.

I'd take either vehicle over the Ford Probe.  Probes - the trans's would promptly die at 70k miles.
 
2 days ago  
Glitchwerks img.fark.net    
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Repeat.


Who cares? We aren't all here waiting for a new story every two minutes. Some of us didn't see it. Get the stick out of your ass.
 
2 days ago  

ski9600: .....I'd like to drive one some time.


A 2020 Toyota Corolla has more horsepower and the same 0-60 time of 8.2 seconds.

This also has the same 0-60 time:
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HP and 0-60 don't mean much anymore, just having some fun.  Let's discuss cars in the Politics forum some time?
 
2 days ago  
Whew. Looks like the AMC Gremlin museum dodged a bullet.
 
2 days ago  
A friend had one in HS. It was a lot of fun for us at the time. Excellent leg room, pop-up headlights, speakers in the headrest; it was a neat little car.
 
2 days ago  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: Marcus Aurelius: ski9600: It had the v-6 and didn't catch fire so much

The V-6 was the only thing that made the car worth driving.  The 4 banger was a very sad little motor.

The Iron Duke is stupid reliable. To this day the Iron Duke delivers your mail.


A good friend had an 85 Olds Ciera sedan (check the movie Fargo) with the 2.5L 4-banger.  Took forever to get up to speed and was a gutless wonder.  However when he was making trips to and from Chicago from the Twin Cities the car averaged in the mid 30's MPG as I recall.  And yes, very reliable for the most part.
 
2 days ago  
Wait, the damages on these vehicles were there before or after the flood..?
 
2 days ago  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: Marcus Aurelius: ski9600: It had the v-6 and didn't catch fire so much

The V-6 was the only thing that made the car worth driving.  The 4 banger was a very sad little motor.

The Iron Duke is stupid reliable. To this day the Iron Duke delivers your mail.


Most of the USPS delivery vehicles I see in shops have the 4.0L Explorer powertrain.

The early Iron Dukes had a big problem with the oil filter...they put it inside the farking oil pan with a round, screw off cover.  Either the filters didn't get changed, or they did get changed and someone pooched the cover gasket and they leaked.

The later ones with a regular spin on filter were MUCH better.

They all had timing gear issues.  Farkers sounded like an old school diesel after they got about 100k on them.
 
2 days ago  

PreMortem: Is that a step up or down from the Miata?


While both cars are legendary, only the Miata is legendary for good reasons (despite a mediocre generation mixed in).

To interject some hyperbole, it's like the difference between famous and infamous.
 
2 days ago  
chucknasty:

a cheap POS. the Fierro was one of those, like a Hyundai

LOL, WUT?

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2 days ago  

chucknasty: there are some cars that just make me vicariously sad and embarrassed for people. you know the person driving it is happy and proud that they bought a car but you also know that everyone else is laughing behind their back because it is a cheap POS. the Fierro was one of those, like a Hyundai. it is like the unpopular kid inviting the class to their birthday party and no one shows up. it is just sad.


There are some people that nust make me vicarious sad and embarrassed for them. Like the kind who gives this much of a fark what other people drive.
 
2 days ago  

Bslim: chucknasty:

a cheap POS. the Fierro was one of those, like a Hyundai

LOL, WUT?

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Pretty sure that troll just bit you.
 
2 days ago  

Keys dude: Who cares? We aren't all here waiting for a new story every two minutes. Some of us didn't see it. Get the stick out of your ass.


I think you should take your own advice if you're getting that triggered over a one word post that was intended more for the mods than anything else.

But if you're that upset about a bunch of worthless Fieros being destroyed, than by all means, get it out of your system, dude.
 
2 days ago  
The Subaru mrx of the 1900s
 
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2 days ago  
It didn't burn?
 
2 days ago  
I want to put the L67 Supercharged 3800 SII V6 from my 98 GTP in an '88 Fiero with the Getrag M5 trans.

Or a Quad4 W41.

/ They were built to take a V8.
 
2 days ago  

Civilized Barbarian: PreMortem: Is that a step up or down from the Miata?

Depends which gen Miata. Still a step down from the MR2 though.


Fiero: model years 1984-1988
MR2 (gen1): 1984-1989
Miata (first gen): 1990-1997

So the Miata was never really in the picture when the Fiero was made, but not the MR2.  I suspect the MR2 was better even than the 1989 Fiero GT (the only on you'd want).

If you were a kid growing up in the 1970s and the shadow of opec and wondering why they didn't make compact cars with sports car aerodynamics, the fiero is your answer.
 
2 days ago  

Marcus Aurelius: ski9600: It had the v-6 and didn't catch fire so much

The V-6 was the only thing that made the car worth driving.  The 4 banger was a very sad little motor.


The Iron Duke I4... My first car had one. Hard to kill, but gutless AF.
 
2 days ago  

PreMortem: Is that a step up or down from the Miata?


Up.

Down if you're gay. I was a Miata guy until I realized there's a stigma attached to the Miata like there was with GEO Trackers. Met some awesome people on both fronts, though.
 
2 days ago  
My one and only favourite car story.
My Uncle died and I got his car. A Chevy Citation.

We had to drive a couple of girls back from our camp party.
And we did, but on the way home we had to stop at a stop sign and the car just died.
Turns out the engine had been leaking oil and the engine seized.

I have know idea why my parents did this, but they payed over $1000.00 to have this fixed.

Car ran great for another two years.

Now I have a girlfriend with a 13 year old teenage daughter.
She runs into the house and asks me if I will give her $10 if she washes my car?
I like the kid and $10 isn't going to break and i say sure, so I hand her the keys.
Her mom looks at me, like are you serious?
And I'm, she has to drive in straight line for like 50'
she'll be fine.

30 seconds later she come running back into the house full tears flowing and sobbing uncontrollably.
I don't know what happened.
I drove it and then it clunked and shock.
So I stopped.

I go out to look at how bad it could possibly be.
The rear axle separated from the frame.
 
2 days ago  

Fishbulb30w: My one and only favourite car story.
My Uncle died and I got his car. A Chevy Citation.

We had to drive a couple of girls back from our camp party.
And we did, but on the way home we had to stop at a stop sign and the car just died.
Turns out the engine had been leaking oil and the engine seized.

I have know idea why my parents did this, but they payed over $1000.00 to have this fixed.

Car ran great for another two years.

Now I have a girlfriend with a 13 year old teenage daughter.
She runs into the house and asks me if I will give her $10 if she washes my car?
I like the kid and $10 isn't going to break and i say sure, so I hand her the keys.
Her mom looks at me, like are you serious?
And I'm, she has to drive in straight line for like 50'
she'll be fine.

30 seconds later she come running back into the house full tears flowing and sobbing uncontrollably.
I don't know what happened.
I drove it and then it clunked and shock.
So I stopped.

I go out to look at how bad it could possibly be.
The rear axle separated from the frame.


Put a quarter in a candy machine and get a new one.
 
2 days ago  

yet_another_wumpus: Civilized Barbarian: PreMortem: Is that a step up or down from the Miata?

Depends which gen Miata. Still a step down from the MR2 though.

Fiero: model years 1984-1988
MR2 (gen1): 1984-1989
Miata (first gen): 1990-1997

So the Miata was never really in the picture when the Fiero was made, but not the MR2.  I suspect the MR2 was better even than the 1989 Fiero GT (the only on you'd want).

If you were a kid growing up in the 1970s and the shadow of opec and wondering why they didn't make compact cars with sports car aerodynamics, the fiero is your answer.


There was no 1989 Fiero.
 
2 days ago  

Fishbulb30w: 13 year old teenage daughter


I'd have handed her a sponge, garden hose, and a bucket full of car soap suds and said have at it. You're lucky she didn't get hurt.
 
2 days ago  

PreMortem: Is that a step up or down from the Miata?


Oh, is this what we're doing today? We're gonna fight?
 
2 days ago  

camaroash: PreMortem: Is that a step up or down from the Miata?

Up.

Down if you're gay. I was a Miata guy until I realized there's a stigma attached to the Miata like there was with GEO Trackers. Met some awesome people on both fronts, though.


Wait, you didn't want to drive a Miata because of the stigma, but now you have a Camaro?
 
2 days ago  
Glitchwerks img.fark.net    
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Keys dude: Who cares? We aren't all here waiting for a new story every two minutes. Some of us didn't see it. Get the stick out of your ass.

I think you should take your own advice if you're getting that triggered over a one word post that was intended more for the mods than anything else.


I'll just say again, who cares if there is a repeat. You seem to care a lot, Karen (or is it Brenda?)
 
2 days ago  

Wendigogo: Fishbulb30w: 13 year old teenage daughter

I'd have handed her a sponge, garden hose, and a bucket full of car soap suds and said have at it. You're lucky she didn't get hurt.


She wasn't your average candy chewing 13 year old.
She was more responsible than most adults I know.
 
2 days ago  
I had an '88 2m6m in 'medium red' that had been breathed on a bit in the motor department.  It was zippy to say the least.

A bit heavy for it's size, but man they got the balance just right.  You could lift off for a millisecond while flicking it into a corner and as the back end started to step out from weight transfer snap-oversteer you could hammer the gas back down and it would light up the tires with the smoothest most controlled drift around the corner that no car with it's wheelbase should have been capable of.  Legendary fun.

Loved mine, regret getting rid of it.
 
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