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(SanDiego UnionTribune)   Oh, A Nutty Network got OANNed with prejudice   (sandiegouniontribune.com) divider line
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2 days ago  
They're Russian propaganda and the parent company is Herring? As in literally a Red Herring?

The truly scary part is you know there are people out there who say "Pffft. OANN? More liberal fake news bullshait. I get my news only from reliable sources like the secret codes embedded in Alex Jones' farts when played backwards."
 
2 days ago  
How fortunate for the White House that they happened to have slides available for OANN's question yesterday.  But don't you dare accuse them of collusion.
 
2 days ago  
I tried watching a little bit of OAN to see if it was as bad as what I'd heard about it to that point made it appear to be.

It was worse.  It's basically Trump fanfic.  Fox News at least bases what they do on things that did happen -- they distort it, to be sure, but there's some tenuous connection to reality there.  OAN doesn't bother with that.  It's complete fiction.
 
2 days ago  
Awww...that's a shame that someone based a story on their record. Poor babies. I'm sure that someone feels bad when they said how badly they sucked, but honestly, I'll bet that Rachel thought they already knew...
 
2 days ago  
what's the angle here?  if they think they can sue rachel for that, they'd be sued into oblivion for just about everything they broadcast
 
2 days ago  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: They're Russian propaganda and the parent company is Herring? As in literally a Red Herring?

The truly scary part is you know there are people out there who say "Pffft. OANN? More liberal fake news bullshait. I get my news only from reliable sources like the secret codes embedded in Alex Jones' farts when played backwards."


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2 days ago  
On Friday, U.S. District Judge Cynthia Bashant found that reasonable viewers of the segment on The Rachel Maddow Show "would not take the statement as factual" given the surrounding context.

A statement that OANN "really literally is paid Russian propaganda" is not intended to be construed by the audience as a factual statement?  wtf_am_i_reading.jpg

I figured the suit was dismissed on the grounds that the statement was demonstrably true.
 
2 days ago  
The best part is because this was an anti-SLAPP dismissal, Maddow can go after them for costs.


Which, notwithstanding their declaration that they're going to appeal, is a good reason for them not to appeal.  Because that would just drive up the costs.

Especially if their appeal is just as shiat as their case was here, the judge will grant those costs.
 
2 days ago  

Dead for Tax Reasons: what's the angle here?  if they think they can sue rachel for that, they'd be sued into oblivion for just about everything they broadcast


Maybe it's testing the waters for 4 more years of Mitch stacking the courts. At some point, I'm imaging judges taking every lawsuit aimed at MSNBC seriously while throwing out every single lawsuit aimed at FOX and OANN.
 
2 days ago  
They probably just played the judge a five minute clip of her regular programming to demonstrate it is all satire.
 
2 days ago  

jake_lex: I tried watching a little bit of OAN to see if it was as bad as what I'd heard about it to that point made it appear to be.

It was worse.  It's basically Trump fanfic.  Fox News at least bases what they do on things that did happen -- they distort it, to be sure, but there's some tenuous connection to reality there.  OAN doesn't bother with that.  It's complete fiction.


Is it more entertaining then the current season of Westworld?
 
2 days ago  

GoldSpider: On Friday, U.S. District Judge Cynthia Bashant found that reasonable viewers of the segment on The Rachel Maddow Show "would not take the statement as factual" given the surrounding context.

A statement that OANN "really literally is paid Russian propaganda" is not intended to be construed by the audience as a factual statement?  wtf_am_i_reading.jpg

I figured the suit was dismissed on the grounds that the statement was demonstrably true.


Fox News pretty much ruined any chances of news media being sued for defamation. You just state that it was an opinion piece and it disappears in a poof of smoke now.

It's just nice to see the shiat system working for the other side for a change.
 
2 days ago  

GoldSpider: A statement that OANN "really literally is paid Russian propaganda" is not intended to be construed by the audience as a factual statement?  wtf_am_i_reading.jpg


Trump's New Favorite Channel Employs Kremlin-Paid Journalist

Kristian Brunovich Rouz, originally from the Siberian city of Novosibirsk, has been living in San Diego, where OAN is based, since August 2017, reporting on U.S. politics for the 24-hour news channel. For all of that time, he's been simultaneously writing for Sputnik, a Kremlin-owned news wire that played a role in Russia's 2016 election-interference operation, according to an assessment by the U.S. intelligence community.

It seems like the suit could go down that path as well but wind up a the same result.  Judge picked the low-hanging fruit.
 
2 days ago  
Womp womp
 
2 days ago  
OANN's parent company, Herring Networks...

You must cut down the mightiest tree in the forest with...
A HERRING!!
 
2 days ago  
I'll never get why Maddow needs to exaggerate. She's smart and as a liberal the facts and evidence are on her side. No need to get dirty.
 
2 days ago  
"Although Maddow used the word "literally," this does not necessarily mean the phrase should be taken to be factual," Bashant wrote. "Nowadays, as evidenced by the two conflicting definitions of the word 'literally,' use of the word can be hyperbolic."

Oh boy, that's going to piss off some of those wannabe nerds who get really angry about people using "literally" for emphasis.
 
2 days ago  
I kind of wish that had gone to trial as a factual statement.  Discovery would be fun, MSNBC building and presenting in open court a case that OANN is just propaganda would be actually helpful to the discourse in this country.  "News" presented on OANN would be permanently tainted as being foreign influenced, and any outlet presenting a similar point of view would be suspect.

/I haven't had coffee yet, so that's how things work in my half asleep dream world.
 
2 days ago  

NobleHam: "Although Maddow used the word "literally," this does not necessarily mean the phrase should be taken to be factual," Bashant wrote. "Nowadays, as evidenced by the two conflicting definitions of the word 'literally,' use of the word can be hyperbolic."

Oh boy, that's going to piss off some of those wannabe nerds who get really angry about people using "literally" for emphasis.


Yeah, their heads will literally explode
 
2 days ago  

squirrelinator: I'll never get why Maddow needs to exaggerate. She's smart and as a liberal the facts and evidence are on her side. No need to get dirty.


She wasn't exaggerating. They literally had a reporter who was working for the Russian government at the same time. I'm not sure if he's still there or not.
 
2 days ago  
"Although Maddow used the word "literally," this does not necessarily mean the phrase should be taken to be factual," Bashant wrote. "Nowadays, as evidenced by the two conflicting definitions of the word 'literally,' use of the word can be hyperbolic."

Sweet, we're in an era where there are court cases about whether "literal" means literal, or metaphor.

fml
 
2 days ago  

iron de havilland: "Although Maddow used the word "literally," this does not necessarily mean the phrase should be taken to be factual," Bashant wrote. "Nowadays, as evidenced by the two conflicting definitions of the word 'literally,' use of the word can be hyperbolic."

Sweet, we're in an era where there are court cases about whether "literal" means literal, or metaphor.

fml


I'd normally agree with you on this but the judge literally took his decision from current dictionaries which indicate that "literally" has shifted into hyperbole and can be understood to be used in such a fashion now, which is part of the statute he cites.
 
2 days ago  

deadsanta: iron de havilland: "Although Maddow used the word "literally," this does not necessarily mean the phrase should be taken to be factual," Bashant wrote. "Nowadays, as evidenced by the two conflicting definitions of the word 'literally,' use of the word can be hyperbolic."

Sweet, we're in an era where there are court cases about whether "literal" means literal, or metaphor.

fml

I'd normally agree with you on this but the judge literally took his decision from current dictionaries which indicate that "literally" has shifted into hyperbole and can be understood to be used in such a fashion now, which is part of the statute he cites.


Yeah, but I'm still allowed to literally have a stick up my butt about this :-P
 
2 days ago  
They ARE Russian propaganda, or at least anti-democratic propaganda.

That shiatshow in the "I WILL FREE THE CHURCHES!" COVID presser yesterday when the OANN reporter asked, out of the blue, "Will Trump pardon President Obama?", and then Hate Barbie launched into a pre-arranged "Why aren't you all covering all the CRIMES Obama did" tirade, with slides, against the media was pure authoritarian propaganda.

This is scary.  The sitting president of the United States is openly accusing his predecessor of crimes, because his predecessor had the audacity to investigate actual Russian threats to our elections--Russian threats that helped elect the current office holder.

This isn't going to end well.
 
2 days ago  

deadsanta: I'd normally agree with you on this but the judge literally took his decision from current dictionaries which indicate that "literally" has shifted into hyperbole and can be understood to be used in such a fashion now, which is part of the statute he cites.


I am literally shiatting bricks reading this.  This is literally the worst thing that has ever happened in history.
 
2 days ago  

iron de havilland: Yeah, but I'm still allowed to literally have a stick up my butt about this :-P


How YOU doin'?
 
2 days ago  

Skleenar: iron de havilland: Yeah, but I'm still allowed to literally have a stick up my butt about this :-P

How YOU doin'?


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;D
 
2 days ago  

Dead for Tax Reasons: what's the angle here?  if they think they can sue rachel for that, they'd be sued into oblivion for just about everything they broadcast


Except that Trump isn't going to sue them for depicting him as one of those ridiculous paintings that one guy puts out.
 
2 days ago  

Dead for Tax Reasons: Mr. Coffee Nerves: They're Russian propaganda and the parent company is Herring? As in literally a Red Herring?

The truly scary part is you know there are people out there who say "Pffft. OANN? More liberal fake news bullshait. I get my news only from reliable sources like the secret codes embedded in Alex Jones' farts when played backwards."

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Which came from Russia - Putin was a dyed in the authoritarian communist. He doesn't believe that it was right that the Soviet Union fell. And he tries to influence US elections in support of Donald Trump.
 
2 days ago  
I don't think ONAN was upset by being accused of working for the Russians. They are likely proud of that. It was probably Rachel's use of the word propaganda because it has a negative connotation.
 
2 days ago  
"With prejudice?  See, I told you they were racists!!"

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2 days ago  

iron de havilland: deadsanta: iron de havilland: "Although Maddow used the word "literally," this does not necessarily mean the phrase should be taken to be factual," Bashant wrote. "Nowadays, as evidenced by the two conflicting definitions of the word 'literally,' use of the word can be hyperbolic."

Sweet, we're in an era where there are court cases about whether "literal" means literal, or metaphor.

fml

I'd normally agree with you on this but the judge literally took his decision from current dictionaries which indicate that "literally" has shifted into hyperbole and can be understood to be used in such a fashion now, which is part of the statute he cites.

Yeah, but I'm still allowed to literally have a stick up my butt about this :-P


I kind of agree - you'd think the judge might have taken the opportunity to push back on the phenomenon and take a stand on the literal meaning of "literally". Maddow still wouldn't have been in the wrong. The network does literally employ someone who contributes simultaneously to a Russian propaganda network and OANN. The lawsuit is a process of gaslighting. They're claiming that it's not true - therefore she can't say it. Don't believe your eyes.
 
2 days ago  
Here's an example of the stunning "journalism" on OANN:

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OldRod: Here's an example of the stunning "journalism" on OANN:

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Holy shiat. That the coronavirus was made in a North Carolina lab is what Alex Jones has been pushing for months. It was engineered in NC then Obama sold it it China.  Probably with the help of Bill Gates.  There you go. Obamagate.

It's like an ouroboros of stupid.
 
2 days ago  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: They're Russian propaganda and the parent company is Herring? As in literally a Red Herring?

The truly scary part is you know there are people out there who say "Pffft. OANN? More liberal fake news bullshait. I get my news only from reliable sources like the secret codes embedded in Alex Jones' farts when played backwards."


Tim Curry unavailable for comment
 
2 days ago  

NobleHam: "Although Maddow used the word "literally," this does not necessarily mean the phrase should be taken to be factual," Bashant wrote. "Nowadays, as evidenced by the two conflicting definitions of the word 'literally,' use of the word can be hyperbolic."

Oh boy, that's going to piss off some of those wannabe nerds who get really angry about people using "literally" for emphasis.


The Boy Who Cried Literally
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2 days ago  
Yeah, let's argue about word usage instead of the issue at hand, let's do that.  Morons.
 
2 days ago  

SeaMan Stainz: squirrelinator: I'll never get why Maddow needs to exaggerate. She's smart and as a liberal the facts and evidence are on her side. No need to get dirty.

She wasn't exaggerating. They literally had a reporter who was working for the Russian government at the same time. I'm not sure if he's still there or not.


He was last week.

OANN is batsh*t crazy.  Sarah Palin levels of crazy.
 
2 days ago  
I'm so ashamed, but damn if the Russian Hooker look doesn't do it for me
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2 days ago  

born_yesterday: How fortunate for the White House that they happened to have slides available for OANN's question yesterday.  But don't you dare accuse them of collusion.


Trump's administration is just such a well oiled machine that they anticipated the completely expected question of whether Trump planned to pardon Obama for his illegal wiretapping of the Trump campaign and had slides ready for it.

/WELL OILED MACHINE!!!
 
2 days ago  
I could literally care less about this topic.
 
2 days ago  

dysto: I could literally care less about this topic.


How much less?
 
2 days ago  
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2 days ago  

GoldSpider: On Friday, U.S. District Judge Cynthia Bashant found that reasonable viewers of the segment on The Rachel Maddow Show "would not take the statement as factual" given the surrounding context.

A statement that OANN "really literally is paid Russian propaganda" is not intended to be construed by the audience as a factual statement?  wtf_am_i_reading.jpg

I figured the suit was dismissed on the grounds that the statement was demonstrably true.


I have a bad feeling that someone in the IC presented the judge with such evidence then asked them to concoct the BS ruling. This was OANN's opportunity to keep their heads down and now they are about to cause an incident by appealing.
 
2 days ago  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: They're Russian propaganda and the parent company is Herring? As in literally a Red Herring?

The truly scary part is you know there are people out there who say "Pffft. OANN? More liberal fake news bullshait. I get my news only from reliable sources like the secret codes embedded in Alex Jones' farts when played backwards."


Clearly the judge felt there was something fishy about the lawsuit.
 
2 days ago  
MSNBC's Rachel Maddow spoke to Access Hollywood about the death of Roger Ailes, where she said it was a "shock" for her because she considered the former Fox News chairman as a "friend" and a "mentor" to her.
Speaking with Natalie Morales and Kit Hoover, Maddow said that she had a "collegial friendship" with Ailes ever since she asked him to review her performances on TV.
 
2 days ago  

Day_Old_Dutchie: OANN's parent company, Herring Networks...

You must cut down the mightiest tree in the forest with...
A HERRING!!


It can't be done!
 
2 days ago  

Officer Barrelroll: dysto: I could literally care less about this topic.

How much less?


None. None much less.
 
2 days ago  

Gyrfalcon: Day_Old_Dutchie: OANN's parent company, Herring Networks...

You must cut down the mightiest tree in the forest with...
A HERRING!!

It can't be done!

Oh, please?

 
2 days ago  

07X18: MSNBC's Rachel Maddow spoke to Access Hollywood about the death of Roger Ailes, where she said it was a "shock" for her because she considered the former Fox News chairman as a "friend" and a "mentor" to her.
Speaking with Natalie Morales and Kit Hoover, Maddow said that she had a "collegial friendship" with Ailes ever since she asked him to review her performances on TV.


She was literally using "collegial" in the metaphorical sense.
 
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