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2020-05-23 1:36:03 AM  
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2020-05-23 2:35:37 AM  

cretinbob: [mlive.com image 850x603]


....and that's only the "official" count.
 
2020-05-23 4:24:16 AM  
The coronavirus may still be spreading at epidemic rates in 24 states, particularly in the South and Midwest, according to new research that highlights the risk of a second wave of infections in places that reopen too quickly or without sufficient precautions.

How can we have a second wave if the first wave isn't over yet?
 
2020-05-23 4:43:57 AM  

whither_apophis: The coronavirus may still be spreading at epidemic rates in 24 states, particularly in the South and Midwest, according to new research that highlights the risk of a second wave of infections in places that reopen too quickly or without sufficient precautions.

How can we have a second wave if the first wave isn't over yet?


It makes more sense if you think of "waves" as waves of media coverage, because American collective reality is of course determined by what is on TV rather than what is happening in the objective concrete world.

See, the first wave is subsiding, and we know this because we are dedicating a bit less coverage to it as we get less and less shocked by the idea of mass death, so more of our news stories are about reopening and we're looping in a bit more human interest and a bit more politics, by which we mean breathless coverage of "gaffes".

But if things in the real world continue to get worse, eventually it will build to the point where the daily death toll again becomes shocking, which will potentially spark a second wave of coverage if the death rate grows more quickly than our ability to recalibrate the amount of suffering we think is normal. And of course, it is paramount for our political leaders that we avoid such a second wave of headlines, because this is an election year and the last thing we need to focus on is their ability to manage the government response to an important situation.
 
2020-05-23 5:18:52 AM  
My town went from 5,500 people to about 20,000 in the immediate surrounding area from Thursday to Friday evening. The Forest Service was forced to open up campgrounds that it had closed because of fire danger. We have 1 major grocery store. And NOBODY who came up from Phoenix is wearing a mask.

We are so f*cked.

I wish we could do a lockdown like the reservation.
 
2020-05-23 5:31:48 AM  
Wait, what?  Which states have controlled outbreaks?  Every farking state has community transmission.  The derp states have done it better by making the community transmission widespread.  Covatulations to them for their efforts.
 
2020-05-23 5:32:41 AM  

whither_apophis: The coronavirus may still be spreading at epidemic rates in 24 states, particularly in the South and Midwest, according to new research that highlights the risk of a second wave of infections in places that reopen too quickly or without sufficient precautions.

How can we have a second wave if the first wave isn't over yet?


Depends. Are we looking regionally or nationally?

It hit the coasts first. The coasts are now riding their downslopes. It's now cresting in the Midwest. In about a month I expect to see the numbers come back up on the coasts while the Midwest goes down. Rinse and repeat for the next two years until we get a vaccine.

Nationally? No, we're going to experience one very loooooooooooooooong wave.

As regions, get ready for a series of alternating lockdowns and reopenings.
 
2020-05-23 5:49:46 AM  
Pennsylvania back on top as far as deaths per day.
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2020-05-23 6:00:14 AM  

cretinbob: [mlive.com image 850x603]


Oh, look who it is, conveniently turning up yet again to kick off a doom-mongering thread.
 
2020-05-23 6:12:55 AM  

orbister: cretinbob: [mlive.com image 850x603]

Oh, look who it is, conveniently turning up yet again to kick off a doom-mongering thread.


Looks like the resident grandpa with diabetes that's still going to church and licking salt salt shakers has shown up to complain.
 
2020-05-23 6:21:10 AM  

orbister: cretinbob: [mlive.com image 850x603]

Oh, look who it is, conveniently turning up yet again to kick off a doom-mongering thread.


Just ignore it and it'll all go away, eh?
 
2020-05-23 6:25:58 AM  

ecmoRandomNumbers: My town went from 5,500 people to about 20,000 in the immediate surrounding area from Thursday to Friday evening. The Forest Service was forced to open up campgrounds that it had closed because of fire danger. We have 1 major grocery store. And NOBODY who came up from Phoenix is wearing a mask.

We are so f*cked.

I wish we could do a lockdown like the reservation.


You wouldn't have a town for not those 15,000 vacationers.
 
2020-05-23 6:28:09 AM  
There was news coverage yesterday about Brazil's single day numbers skyrocketing to 20K+ new infections and how things are going to explode there.  The US 7 day average has been over 20K+ new infections for 2 over months and is holding steady.  So tell me how it's safe for the US to reopen when it's panic time in Brazil?  I saw a blurb by the author of The Coming Pandemic and she said if you take out the numbers from NYC/Chicago/Detroit which have done a good job of bringing the curve down in their areas, the rest of the country is a line straight up that follows uncontrolled growth.  Plus now we know they are manipulating numbers, I'm thinking when she said this will last for 3 years isn't far fetched.
 
2020-05-23 6:28:17 AM  

orbister: cretinbob: [mlive.com image 850x603]

Oh, look who it is, conveniently turning up yet again to kick off a doom-mongering thread.


That's ok. Two months from now, the GOP will say cretinbob downplayed it.
 
2020-05-23 6:28:31 AM  

tpmchris: ecmoRandomNumbers: My town went from 5,500 people to about 20,000 in the immediate surrounding area from Thursday to Friday evening. The Forest Service was forced to open up campgrounds that it had closed because of fire danger. We have 1 major grocery store. And NOBODY who came up from Phoenix is wearing a mask.

We are so f*cked.

I wish we could do a lockdown like the reservation.

You wouldn't have a town for not those 15,000 vacationers.


Because small towns only exist for tourists?
 
2020-05-23 6:30:21 AM  
I'm traveling for work this weekend. I'm in costal cities (but not at the beach). The hotels that are open are full or full-ish. The traffic going toward the beaches yesterday afternoon was heavy. Sit-down dining is open. And the majority of people are not wearing masks.
 
2020-05-23 6:35:17 AM  

orbister: cretinbob: [mlive.com image 850x603]

Oh, look who it is, conveniently turning up yet again to kick off a doom-mongering thread.



We went to war with two countries over 3k deaths.

Coronavirus has claimed almost 100k.

What is that....collateral damage? The cost of doing business? Tuesday?
 
2020-05-23 6:36:06 AM  
If they dont report it in the news, it isn't happening.
 
2020-05-23 6:37:28 AM  

pkjun: whither_apophis: The coronavirus may still be spreading at epidemic rates in 24 states, particularly in the South and Midwest, according to new research that highlights the risk of a second wave of infections in places that reopen too quickly or without sufficient precautions.

How can we have a second wave if the first wave isn't over yet?

It makes more sense if you think of "waves" as waves of media coverage, because American collective reality is of course determined by what is on TV rather than what is happening in the objective concrete world.

See, the first wave is subsiding, and we know this because we are dedicating a bit less coverage to it as we get less and less shocked by the idea of mass death, so more of our news stories are about reopening and we're looping in a bit more human interest and a bit more politics, by which we mean breathless coverage of "gaffes".

But if things in the real world continue to get worse, eventually it will build to the point where the daily death toll again becomes shocking, which will potentially spark a second wave of coverage if the death rate grows more quickly than our ability to recalibrate the amount of suffering we think is normal. And of course, it is paramount for our political leaders that we avoid such a second wave of headlines, because this is an election year and the last thing we need to focus on is their ability to manage the government response to an important situation.


This was well said and sadly accurate.
 
2020-05-23 6:40:33 AM  

pkjun: whither_apophis: The coronavirus may still be spreading at epidemic rates in 24 states, particularly in the South and Midwest, according to new research that highlights the risk of a second wave of infections in places that reopen too quickly or without sufficient precautions.

How can we have a second wave if the first wave isn't over yet?

It makes more sense if you think of "waves" as waves of media coverage, because American collective reality is of course determined by what is on TV rather than what is happening in the objective concrete world.

See, the first wave is subsiding, and we know this because we are dedicating a bit less coverage to it as we get less and less shocked by the idea of mass death, so more of our news stories are about reopening and we're looping in a bit more human interest and a bit more politics, by which we mean breathless coverage of "gaffes".

But if things in the real world continue to get worse, eventually it will build to the point where the daily death toll again becomes shocking, which will potentially spark a second wave of coverage if the death rate grows more quickly than our ability to recalibrate the amount of suffering we think is normal. And of course, it is paramount for our political leaders that we avoid such a second wave of headlines, because this is an election year and the last thing we need to focus on is their ability to manage the government response to an important situation.


It is with a heavy heart that I Smart this post. You nailed it.
 
2020-05-23 6:42:59 AM  
I work in a rural area where about 5% of the population has been infected.  It's funny how even die hard conservatives have started wearing masks and saying they're not going out to eat for a while.
 
2020-05-23 6:44:51 AM  

orbister: cretinbob: [mlive.com image 850x603]

Oh, look who it is, conveniently turning up yet again to kick off a doom-mongering thread.


The nerve of some people, implying there's somehow something bad about lots of people dying in a pandemic.
 
2020-05-23 6:48:53 AM  

MechaPyx: orbister: cretinbob: [mlive.com image 850x603]

Oh, look who it is, conveniently turning up yet again to kick off a doom-mongering thread.


We went to war with two countries over 3k deaths.

Coronavirus has claimed almost 100k.

What is that....collateral damage? The cost of doing business? Tuesday?


Well, sure. That was the military and bombs and somewhere way over there, i.e. things we don't have to inconvenience Americans to do.
 
2020-05-23 6:54:23 AM  

MechaPyx: orbister: cretinbob: [mlive.com image 850x603]

Oh, look who it is, conveniently turning up yet again to kick off a doom-mongering thread.


We went to war with two countries over 3k deaths.

Coronavirus has claimed almost 100k.

What is that....collateral damage? The cost of doing business? Tuesday?


Nah - saturday mourning
 
2020-05-23 6:58:13 AM  

cretinbob: [mlive.com image 850x603]


Not true; Michigan Stadium hasn't been below 100k since the mid-50s. It's 107,601 right now. Currently we're between Sanford (92,746) and Darrell K. Royal - Texas Memorial Stadium (100,119) with it becoming very likely that we'll pass DKR by the end of the weekend.
 
2020-05-23 7:02:50 AM  

MechaPyx: orbister: cretinbob: [mlive.com image 850x603]

Oh, look who it is, conveniently turning up yet again to kick off a doom-mongering thread.


We went to war with two countries over 3k deaths.

Coronavirus has claimed almost 100k.

What is that....collateral damage? The cost of doing business? Tuesday?


What country shall we bomb?
 
2020-05-23 7:05:45 AM  

tpmchris: MechaPyx: orbister: cretinbob: [mlive.com image 850x603]

Oh, look who it is, conveniently turning up yet again to kick off a doom-mongering thread.


We went to war with two countries over 3k deaths.

Coronavirus has claimed almost 100k.

What is that....collateral damage? The cost of doing business? Tuesday?

What country shall we bomb?


Wuhan duh.
 
2020-05-23 7:12:47 AM  

ISO15693: Pennsylvania back on top as far as deaths per day.
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Filthy Philly.
 
2020-05-23 7:13:56 AM  

qorkfiend: MechaPyx: orbister: cretinbob: [mlive.com image 850x603]

Oh, look who it is, conveniently turning up yet again to kick off a doom-mongering thread.


We went to war with two countries over 3k deaths.

Coronavirus has claimed almost 100k.

What is that....collateral damage? The cost of doing business? Tuesday?

Well, sure. That was the military and bombs and somewhere way over there, i.e. things we don't have to inconvenience Americans to do.


Something this exchange reminds me of, actually, in a weird sort of way is a peculiar bit of rhetoric that was deployed by the left nearly as much as the right in the '00s and '10s: referring to suffering any degree of security-related inconvenience as "the terrorists winning."

If we have to take off our shoes, wouldn't you know it, the terrorists have won. If we can't bring a bag of beers into the football game, that's the terrorists winning, right there. Nothing would make the terrorists win more than if Disney World were to become the slightest bit less magical with security screening. They hate us for our freedoms, our freedoms are co-equivalent to our consumer convenience, so if we are inconvenienced or if we change our behaviour in any way whatsoever or if we permit consumer spending to drop to any degree whatsoever, then the terrorists win.

And like, well, pretty sure al-Qaeda didn't give a shiat either way about how much you enjoy your flight from Des Moines to Tampa via ATL. Pretty sure their goals were not to disappoint Nordstrom's shareholders with their Q4 returns. Pretty sure their goal was -- as they repeatedly said it was -- to spark a global religio-political struggle of the Muslim community against the Western imperialist order. And yet somehow whenever we went off blundering into another Muslim-majority country dropping bombs and kicking over secular institutions and empowering extremists, that wasn't really seen as "the terrorists winning" except by the crunchiest fraction of antiwar lefties.

And now we're seeing the same old "if I am inconvenienced, the Virus Has Won" type rhetoric -- now even more absurd that the goal of making Karen's nail bar visit or Brad's Daytona Beach weekend less fun is being ascribed to a microscopic protein shell rather than a Central Asian gun-toting zealot -- but still revolving around the belief that Brad and Karen's personal feeling of convenience is the lodestar of all global events.
 
2020-05-23 7:21:28 AM  

MechaPyx: We went to war with two countries over 3k deaths.

Coronavirus has claimed almost 100k.

What is that....collateral damage? The cost of doing business? Tuesday?



Thursday. I never could get the hang of Thursdays
 
2020-05-23 7:23:13 AM  
Food workers at one restaurant in Ocean Springs MS were wearing masks last weekend. Everyone else not a mask in sight. Crowded and going from restaurant to stores.

I was thinking that no one understands the danger or we do and ignore it.

/wearing a 7 week old N95 mask from 3M with the diaphragm for exhaled air.
// cannot find a replacement.
///we are farked.
 
2020-05-23 7:34:44 AM  
The infected survivors are going to have an improved immunity response to this.  They will not know empathy for the deceased and justify their negligent murders for years to come.
 
2020-05-23 7:36:32 AM  

JerryHeisenberg: orbister: cretinbob: [mlive.com image 850x603]

Oh, look who it is, conveniently turning up yet again to kick off a doom-mongering thread.

Looks like the resident grandpa with diabetes that's still going to church and licking salt salt shakers has shown up to complain.


You said salt twice
 
2020-05-23 7:42:38 AM  

MechaPyx: orbister: cretinbob: [mlive.com image 850x603]

Oh, look who it is, conveniently turning up yet again to kick off a doom-mongering thread.


We went to war with two countries over 3k deaths.

Coronavirus has claimed almost 100k.

What is that....collateral damage? The cost of doing business? Tuesday?


Less profit for businesses in trying to cure COVID-19. You can't drop expensive ordinance on a germ (well technically you could but your collateral damage would be Amurikans). More profit in milking the Government for relief funds, unproven medicines, and PPE.

There was cubic butt-tons of profit in selling the US government bombs to drop in other countries. Right now... those of us that are still employed are being pushed to prove we can be profitableproductive in this new era. It'd be a shame if the company started suffering losses and they had to reduce headcount. I mean those executive bonuses don't just happen, you have to figuratively (and sometimes literally) bleed to make those people richer, so that you can stay right where you are....
 
2020-05-23 7:44:29 AM  

CarnySaur: Because small towns only exist for tourists?


So called "conservatives"  switch their stories faster than a whore changes used panties.
Yesterday, small towns were powerful, shining testaments to everything fine and valuable about America.
Today, they are tourist traps with no reason to exist beyond pleasing the city people.
Arguments are selected on the basis of their momentary convenience.
 
2020-05-23 7:48:09 AM  
Maryland's cases below.  Area under the curve looks to be increasing.  Not exponential, but we'll see what reopening does to the numbers.

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2020-05-23 7:49:32 AM  

MechaPyx: orbister: cretinbob: [mlive.com image 850x603]

Oh, look who it is, conveniently turning up yet again to kick off a doom-mongering thread.


We went to war with two countries over 3k deaths.

Coronavirus has claimed almost 100k.

What is that....collateral damage? The cost of doing business? Tuesday?


Well, see, one allowed the military industrial complex to make a shiat ton of money. The other? not so much.
 
2020-05-23 7:50:16 AM  
"And, as we sit down for this Thanksgiving meal, our hearts are heavy at the empty chairs this year. But, we know Grandma, Grandpa and Aunt Peggy laid down their lives, and cousin Tyler is still on the ventilator so the rest of us were able to enjoy unlimited frozen margaritas and bottomless southwestern pizza fingers at Paddy O'Trashed's Memorial Day Beach Bash."
 
2020-05-23 7:52:48 AM  

tpmchris: MechaPyx: orbister: cretinbob: [mlive.com image 850x603]

Oh, look who it is, conveniently turning up yet again to kick off a doom-mongering thread.


We went to war with two countries over 3k deaths.

Coronavirus has claimed almost 100k.

What is that....collateral damage? The cost of doing business? Tuesday?

What country shall we bomb?


Iceland.  Those smug bastards.
 
2020-05-23 7:55:17 AM  
But it's ok, 'cause the stock market went up last week, as it continues to whistle past the graveyard.
 
2020-05-23 7:56:25 AM  

pkjun: qorkfiend: MechaPyx: orbister: cretinbob: [mlive.com image 850x603]

Oh, look who it is, conveniently turning up yet again to kick off a doom-mongering thread.


We went to war with two countries over 3k deaths.

Coronavirus has claimed almost 100k.

What is that....collateral damage? The cost of doing business? Tuesday?

Well, sure. That was the military and bombs and somewhere way over there, i.e. things we don't have to inconvenience Americans to do.

Something this exchange reminds me of, actually, in a weird sort of way is a peculiar bit of rhetoric that was deployed by the left nearly as much as the right in the '00s and '10s: referring to suffering any degree of security-related inconvenience as "the terrorists winning."

If we have to take off our shoes, wouldn't you know it, the terrorists have won. If we can't bring a bag of beers into the football game, that's the terrorists winning, right there. Nothing would make the terrorists win more than if Disney World were to become the slightest bit less magical with security screening. They hate us for our freedoms, our freedoms are co-equivalent to our consumer convenience, so if we are inconvenienced or if we change our behaviour in any way whatsoever or if we permit consumer spending to drop to any degree whatsoever, then the terrorists win.

And like, well, pretty sure al-Qaeda didn't give a shiat either way about how much you enjoy your flight from Des Moines to Tampa via ATL. Pretty sure their goals were not to disappoint Nordstrom's shareholders with their Q4 returns. Pretty sure their goal was -- as they repeatedly said it was -- to spark a global religio-political struggle of the Muslim community against the Western imperialist order. And yet somehow whenever we went off blundering into another Muslim-majority country dropping bombs and kicking over secular institutions and empowering extremists, that wasn't really seen as "the terrorists winning" except by the crunchiest fraction of antiwar lefties.

A ...


When the whole of citizenship has been shrunken down to "Consume," and the entire economy is based of an ever growing consumer base, inconvenience of any kind is a threat to the power order. Hard to keep the masses satiated on bread and circuses when you can't provide either, safely.
 
2020-05-23 8:18:21 AM  

yohohogreengiant: JerryHeisenberg: orbister: cretinbob: [mlive.com image 850x603]

Oh, look who it is, conveniently turning up yet again to kick off a doom-mongering thread.

Looks like the resident grandpa with diabetes that's still going to church and licking salt salt shakers has shown up to complain.

You said salt twice


He's extra salty about it.


/off to get my COVID test
//foot surgery on Wednesday, if I'm positively negative
///before the post-Memorial Day spike, I hope
 
2020-05-23 8:30:26 AM  
I think it's smart to risk your life for an economic system that can't supply n95 masks 10 weeks into a pandemic.
 
2020-05-23 8:39:21 AM  
 
2020-05-23 8:45:15 AM  

pkjun: orbister: cretinbob: [mlive.com image 850x603]

Oh, look who it is, conveniently turning up yet again to kick off a doom-mongering thread.

The nerve of some people, implying there's somehow something bad about lots of people dying in a pandemic.


Of course it's bad, but cretinbob's speciality is greenlighting the most doom-and-gloom articles submitted, tossing in an even more doom-and-gloom comment and then disappearing. I presume it's a tactic to drive up page views and advertising revenue, but it's basically a form of trolling.

Fark (get off my lawn) used to be a great place for information during disasters and crises because there were always some knowledgeable and literate farkers at the heart of it. There are a few of these now, but the good they could be doing is threatened by this poor moderation practice.
 
2020-05-23 8:50:13 AM  

Catlenfell: I work in a rural area where about 5% of the population has been infected.  It's funny how even die hard conservatives have started wearing masks and saying they're not going out to eat for a while.


Oregon has done a good job for the first round, but virtually no one is wearing masks any more, except in businesses that insist on them.  The media's focus on older people dying has lulled younger people into thinking they can't get the virus and even if they do they'll have a mild case.  A few more stories about lifetime lung function impairment, healthy people dying of strokes, etc might help, but those are boring. I'm expecting a huge surge in the next month.
 
2020-05-23 9:03:44 AM  
I'm not anti reopening. But reopening Memorial Day weekend is the very definition of insanity.
The Wednesday after? Maybe. Memorial weekend? That's just crazy.
 
2020-05-23 9:04:03 AM  

pkjun: qorkfiend: MechaPyx: orbister: cretinbob: [mlive.com image 850x603]

Oh, look who it is, conveniently turning up yet again to kick off a doom-mongering thread.


We went to war with two countries over 3k deaths.

Coronavirus has claimed almost 100k.

What is that....collateral damage? The cost of doing business? Tuesday?

Well, sure. That was the military and bombs and somewhere way over there, i.e. things we don't have to inconvenience Americans to do.

Something this exchange reminds me of, actually, in a weird sort of way is a peculiar bit of rhetoric that was deployed by the left nearly as much as the right in the '00s and '10s: referring to suffering any degree of security-related inconvenience as "the terrorists winning."

If we have to take off our shoes, wouldn't you know it, the terrorists have won. If we can't bring a bag of beers into the football game, that's the terrorists winning, right there. Nothing would make the terrorists win more than if Disney World were to become the slightest bit less magical with security screening. They hate us for our freedoms, our freedoms are co-equivalent to our consumer convenience, so if we are inconvenienced or if we change our behaviour in any way whatsoever or if we permit consumer spending to drop to any degree whatsoever, then the terrorists win.

And like, well, pretty sure al-Qaeda didn't give a shiat either way about how much you enjoy your flight from Des Moines to Tampa via ATL. Pretty sure their goals were not to disappoint Nordstrom's shareholders with their Q4 returns. Pretty sure their goal was -- as they repeatedly said it was -- to spark a global religio-political struggle of the Muslim community against the Western imperialist order. And yet somehow whenever we went off blundering into another Muslim-majority country dropping bombs and kicking over secular institutions and empowering extremists, that wasn't really seen as "the terrorists winning" except by the crunchiest fraction of antiwar lefties.

A ...


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/just a minor inconvenience to make sure you don't have more than 3.4 oz of liquid in your scrotum.
//spread your legs wider.  It's for your safety.
///don't worry, this is all only temporary...
 
2020-05-23 9:11:13 AM  

darth sunshine: So tell me how it's safe for the US to reopen when it's panic time in Brazil?


Well, Brazil is 110m people smaller. With the same infection rate and got there much faster. They also have less hospital beds per person but most of the most important thing is that Brazil is almost out of ICU beds. Once they run out that's when they get into Italy like state and people really start dieing.
 
2020-05-23 9:25:12 AM  

WDFark think for a second: tpmchris: MechaPyx: orbister: cretinbob: [mlive.com image 850x603]

Oh, look who it is, conveniently turning up yet again to kick off a doom-mongering thread.


We went to war with two countries over 3k deaths.

Coronavirus has claimed almost 100k.

What is that....collateral damage? The cost of doing business? Tuesday?

What country shall we bomb?

Wuhan duh.


I'd say we could bomb Detroit but it already looks like a bomb went off there.

No worries! Looks like we might be bombing Venezuela soon.
 
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