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(Trek Movie)   Captain Janeway monument in Indiana to be officially unveiled in October. Organizers hoping it doesn't get lost before then   (trekmovie.com) divider line
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2020-05-22 8:18:13 PM  
That's odd. My nerd alert detector just went off.
 
2020-05-22 8:28:57 PM  
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2020-05-22 8:59:18 PM  
Despite being terrible overall, that series did create a couple of interesting characters. Janeway wasn't one of them.
 
2020-05-22 9:12:03 PM  

Monkeyfark Ridiculous: Despite being terrible overall, that series did create a couple of interesting characters. Janeway wasn't one of them.


It didn't help that the character was all over the place from one episode to the next. That said, Mulgrew did real well with what she was given.
 
2020-05-22 9:36:20 PM  

NeoCortex42: Monkeyfark Ridiculous: Despite being terrible overall, that series did create a couple of interesting characters. Janeway wasn't one of them.

It didn't help that the character was all over the place from one episode to the next. That said, Mulgrew did real well with what she was given.



I disagree. With her stilted Hepburn-wannabe delivery she is grating in more active scenes and incompetent in quieter scenes.

She was better than Bujold, who was an obvious disaster, but I think others on the short list could've made Janeway work better.
 
2020-05-22 11:18:30 PM  

NeoCortex42: Monkeyfark Ridiculous: Despite being terrible overall, that series did create a couple of interesting characters. Janeway wasn't one of them.

It didn't help that the character was all over the place from one episode to the next. That said, Mulgrew did real well with what she was given.


Totally agree. One of the first season episodes had Tuvok going behind Janeway's back and srealling some tech that would help Voyager get home faster. Janeway ends the episode scolding Tuvok and saying 'I can't trust you now'. Very next episode, it's like the whole thing was forgotten and Janeway was back to relying on Tuvok.
 
2020-05-22 11:18:58 PM  
Janeway was probably the most bi-polar captain there was. When it came to each episode, you could flip a coin to decide whether she was going to uphold federation standards and ideals and self-sacrificing the opportunity to get home quicker, or whether the extreme hardships faced by the crew meant temporarily abandoning those ideals in order to get home quicker.
 
2020-05-22 11:21:37 PM  
Will the statue be all over the place and poorly focused?
 
2020-05-22 11:25:05 PM  
Will the statue revert to a salamander?
 
2020-05-22 11:35:40 PM  
Just think, 200 years from now the Romulan Party is going to try to rewrite history and tear all the Federation monuments down. I mean, who does Indiana think it is celebrating those treasonous surrendering losers with monuments to their "leaders".  The Old Dominion Party won't stand for such revisionist tinkering.

/I have no idea where I'm going with this
 
2020-05-22 11:38:14 PM  
I thought Janeway was fine and Voyager was a pretty solid show overall.

At the very least it didn't have Vic Fontaine.  Or entire episodes dedicated to the Ferengi.  Or freaking Will Riker.  Or Tasha Yar.  Or Wesley.
 
2020-05-22 11:41:19 PM  
Will the statue be replaced by a younger, way hotter and bustier statue that becomes far more popular?
 
2020-05-22 11:45:16 PM  
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2020-05-22 11:53:55 PM  
While Janeway as a character was no paragon of consistency, neither were most other captains. Sisko straight up committed actual war crimes (such as poisoning an entire planet's atmosphere) and numerous other shady shennanigans, Kirk did whatever the hell he felt like at the time, even Picard wound up going off and doing derpy stuff from time to time, and then Archer was...Archer.

Star Trek was always episodic space fantasy where most of the audience only caught the show once in a while on syndication and it was more intended as a canvas to explore themes and ideas than be a consisent coherent narrative. That's not to excuse some of the abysmal writing on Voyager, but that's only a matter of degrees, and each series had tons of garbage episodes and monstrous inconsistencies. For every Inner Light, there was an Up the Long Ladder and a Shades of Grey.
 
2020-05-22 11:57:56 PM  
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No worries.  It's still in the back of my pickup tr -- never mind.
 
2020-05-23 12:03:15 AM  

Wolf892: Will the statue be replaced by a younger, way hotter and bustier statue that becomes far more popular?


Yup, they're going with this version:
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(Rowr!)
 
2020-05-23 12:04:09 AM  

The Flexecutioner: Just think, 200 years from now the Romulan Party is going to try to rewrite history and tear all the Federation monuments down. I mean, who does Indiana think it is celebrating those treasonous surrendering losers with monuments to their "leaders".  The Old Dominion Party won't stand for such revisionist tinkering.

/I have no idea where I'm going with this


Ferengi Rule of Acquisition #292: Don't get high off your own supply... unless you raise the rates on what's left to compensate.  Supply and demand, after all...
 
2020-05-23 12:08:00 AM  

zbtop: While Janeway as a character was no paragon of consistency, neither were most other captains. Sisko straight up committed actual war crimes (such as poisoning an entire planet's atmosphere) and numerous other shady shennanigans


The entire point of the latter half of DS9 was the apparent contradiction between the Federation ideals and the necessities of war.  Sisko generally didn't do contradictory things because of bad writing, but because he had two competing philosophies.  Sisko was dedicated to trying to pursue both, but couldn't do it without being self-contradictory at times.  He was explicitly called out for that a lot (e.g. during the Marquis story lines).

Voyager seemed to be trying to do a similar thing (the ideals of the Federation vs survival), but it was too afraid to really do anything meaningful with the survival side of things so it ended up just looking silly.

Picard was pretty consistent, especially given the fact that any TNG season had a good number of really terrible episodes that they clearly didn't put any time or resources into.

Enterprise suffered similar problems to Voyager - they couldn't decide what they wanted it to be.  For the first few seasons Archer was pretty consistently being the ideal Federation captain.  But that was boring, so they went in a completely different direction to pick up viewers in the 3rd season.  And that wasn't great either, so they went in another direction in season 4.  Which worked, but the previous seasons were sufficiently bad that they couldn't recover.
 
2020-05-23 12:09:24 AM  
They weren't lost, they were just far away in an uncharted area.  They got it turned around and going in the right direction.
 
2020-05-23 12:17:52 AM  
God what a waste of money.
Hope the homeless use it for a toilet.
 
2020-05-23 12:22:12 AM  

The Flexecutioner: Just think, 200 years from now the Romulan Party is going to try to rewrite history and tear all the Federation monuments down. I mean, who does Indiana think it is celebrating those treasonous surrendering losers with monuments to their "leaders".  The Old Dominion Party won't stand for such revisionist tinkering.

/I have no idea where I'm going with this


That's fine. Janeway didn't know where she was going with her ship, either.
 
2020-05-23 12:40:25 AM  

Tor_Eckman: I thought Janeway was fine and Voyager was a pretty solid show overall.

At the very least it didn't have Vic Fontaine.  Or entire episodes dedicated to the Ferengi.  Or freaking Will Riker.  Or Tasha Yar.  Or Wesley.


I'd take a Ferengi episode over any b-plot with Kes and Nelix.
 
2020-05-23 12:48:35 AM  

Monkeyfark Ridiculous: Despite being terrible overall, that series did create a couple of interesting characters. Janeway wasn't one of them.


I think her character works. Probably not the way intended, but a harried captain always torn between Starfleet and "wow, everything is farked, forever, might was well do something that gets us out of this mess I created" was always fun. Frustrating but fun. She is like Sisko, minus the character growth after season 4.

I always found her fun only because she was always played off 7 of 9, the Doctor, instead of being a stoic captain, so site of themself. She wasn't someone to look up to, but that made her more relatable to me.
 
2020-05-23 1:16:54 AM  

Weatherkiss: Janeway was probably the most bi-polar captain there was. When it came to each episode, you could flip a coin to decide whether she was going to uphold federation standards and ideals and self-sacrificing the opportunity to get home quicker, or whether the extreme hardships faced by the crew meant temporarily abandoning those ideals in order to get home quicker.


This is exactly what I hate about Voyager.

The farking Tuvix episode really cheesed me off.
 
2020-05-23 1:25:51 AM  

Weatherkiss: Janeway was probably the most bi-polar captain there was. When it came to each episode, you could flip a coin to decide whether she was going to uphold federation standards and ideals and self-sacrificing the opportunity to get home quicker, or whether the extreme hardships faced by the crew meant temporarily abandoning those ideals in order to get home quicker.


A friend pointed out to me that Janeway's only consistent characterization was her need for coffee. Everything else changed episode to episode.

/So the monument better have her with a coffee cup in her hand
 
2020-05-23 1:35:27 AM  
While I like Voyager, Some stuff just never made sense to me.

To much stopping and exploring stuff.  You set a course for home and the only time your not in warp or on that course, is when you have to.  Such as to get supplies or make sure you have the ok to travel threw some system. There was no reason at all to stop and smell the flowers.

That and very few episodes tied into each other.  What happen in one should effect the rest of them.
 
2020-05-23 1:39:08 AM  
Mulgrew has acting chops.  She would have a better legacy if the writing for Janeway hadn't been so haphazard.

Someone probably said that already.
 
2020-05-23 1:54:38 AM  

jumac: While I like Voyager, Some stuff just never made sense to me.

To much stopping and exploring stuff.  You set a course for home and the only time your not in warp or on that course, is when you have to.  Such as to get supplies or make sure you have the ok to travel threw some system. There was no reason at all to stop and smell the flowers.

That and very few episodes tied into each other.  What happen in one should effect the rest of them.


The equinox episodes (26 and 1 of season 5 and 6) does a decent job of the saying "there but for the grace of God, go I." They are in the same situations, but the Equinox is the come hell or high water version of Voyager. Janeway is the same amount of writing as thier captain, but the Equinox has zero qualms of doing the wrong thing(tm). Janeway has enough pushback most of the time and the grace of Plot Armor to not be the most heartless and evil captain of all time.

And Voyager was meant to be episodic. Much like TNG. That is it's major issue. It if was treated to as much respect as DS9, it would be a very different story.
 
2020-05-23 1:55:09 AM  

Trik: God what a waste of money.
Hope the homeless use it for a toilet.


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2020-05-23 2:06:42 AM  

in flagrante: Mulgrew has acting chops.  She would have a better legacy if the writing for Janeway hadn't been so haphazard.

Someone probably said that already.


Ohh hell yeah. Any lesser actress and it would have been terrible.

For all the bad writing, I still like Mulgrew as Janeway.
 
2020-05-23 3:35:51 AM  
Is it a bring your own coffee event?
 
2020-05-23 4:49:10 AM  

Monkeyfark Ridiculous: NeoCortex42: Monkeyfark Ridiculous: Despite being terrible overall, that series did create a couple of interesting characters. Janeway wasn't one of them.

It didn't help that the character was all over the place from one episode to the next. That said, Mulgrew did real well with what she was given.


I disagree. With her stilted Hepburn-wannabe delivery she is grating in more active scenes and incompetent in quieter scenes.

She was better than Bujold, who was an obvious disaster, but I think others on the short list could've made Janeway work better.



Specifically, it'd be interesting to see the screen tests from these two:
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2020-05-23 5:45:39 AM  

NeoCortex42: Monkeyfark Ridiculous: Despite being terrible overall, that series did create a couple of interesting characters. Janeway wasn't one of them.

It didn't help that the character was all over the place from one episode to the next. That said, Mulgrew did real well with what she was given.


Kate Mulgrew said that eventually she started playing Janeway with the subtext that she had an undiagnosed mental condition   It made it easier to deal with the inconsistency in her behavior.
 
2020-05-23 6:01:09 AM  

Krazikarl: The entire point of the latter half of DS9 was the apparent contradiction between the Federation ideals and the necessities of war. Sisko generally didn't do contradictory things because of bad writing, but because he had two competing philosophies. Sisko was dedicated to trying to pursue both, but couldn't do it without being self-contradictory at times. He was explicitly called out for that a lot (e.g. during the Marquis story lines).


100% this.  Sisko acts against Federation ideals if he feels it is necessary for the greater good.  He does not sugar coat it or fool himself into thinking he is idealistically superior to others.  He owns the fact that he has flexible morals, lies, and kills because someone has to.  It is one of the reasons "The Pale Moonlight" is one of the best episodes of Star Trek ever put to film.  I am just gonna leave this here.

ST Deep Space Nine "In The Pale Moonlight" End Monologue
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2020-05-23 6:12:02 AM  
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2020-05-23 6:18:40 AM  

rhodabear: Will the statue revert to a salamander?


No, they're going to replace it with a statue of a hot blonde chick in a skin-tight cat in a few years.
 
2020-05-23 7:35:43 AM  
I'd rather see a monument honoring Mulgrew as the character Flemeth.
 
2020-05-23 7:41:41 AM  

Bot v2.38beta: Tor_Eckman: I thought Janeway was fine and Voyager was a pretty solid show overall.

At the very least it didn't have Vic Fontaine.  Or entire episodes dedicated to the Ferengi.  Or freaking Will Riker.  Or Tasha Yar.  Or Wesley.

I'd take a Ferengi episode over any b-plot with Kes and Nelix.


Kes was fine, in multiple senses of the word.

Neelix was an abomination.
 
2020-05-23 8:13:30 AM  
I would like the statue to be holding a fold out map, while looking confused and scratching its head.
 
2020-05-23 8:39:48 AM  
Janeway, the character, (Mulgrew gave it 100% it is not her fault) was: sometimes incompetent, sometimes a hypocrite, and by the end a straight-up lunatic. The only reason she's not the worst captain in all Trek canon is Bakula's execrable Archer (that one I blame on both, the writers and Bakula, who is T.E.R.R.I.B.L.E.)
 
2020-05-23 8:42:29 AM  
Oh, and I forgot:

F*CK YOU, BAKULA!
 
2020-05-23 8:55:00 AM  

EdgeRunner: Wolf892: Will the statue be replaced by a younger, way hotter and bustier statue that becomes far more popular?

Yup, they're going with this version:
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(Rowr!)


Came here to share the scene.

MST3K Michael J. Nelson as Captain Janeway
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/Forever the greatest TV comedy
//And probably one of the most quiet for being how influential it would ultimately be
 
2020-05-23 9:22:20 AM  

Aezetyr: Bot v2.38beta: Tor_Eckman: I thought Janeway was fine and Voyager was a pretty solid show overall.

At the very least it didn't have Vic Fontaine.  Or entire episodes dedicated to the Ferengi.  Or freaking Will Riker.  Or Tasha Yar.  Or Wesley.

I'd take a Ferengi episode over any b-plot with Kes and Nelix.

Kes was fine, in multiple senses of the word.

Neelix was an abomination.


While we all age and loose our looks, Lien makes me think she broke the warp 10 barrier with Paris. 

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Bslim: the worst captain in all Trek canon is Bakula's execrable Archer (that one I blame on both, the writers and Bakula, who is T.E.R.R.I.B.L.E.)


His incompetence makes sense If you look at Archer in the light of spoiled kid who rides on his dad's coattails. I can see it working better if they leaned into that instead of trying to make him heroic 1st ST captain. 

"What do you mean my dog pissing on your sacred tree is offensive? I told you we were bringing a dog. What's a dog?OMG. I bet you don't know who my DAD is? Let me speak to your manager."  

His acting would still be worse than that farking theme song
 
2020-05-23 9:23:46 AM  
And when future humans find this statue it will just add gas to the conspiracy theories that humans were traveling in space long before people thought.
 
2020-05-23 9:59:50 AM  

Bot v2.38beta: Aezetyr: Bot v2.38beta: Tor_Eckman: I thought Janeway was fine and Voyager was a pretty solid show overall.

At the very least it didn't have Vic Fontaine.  Or entire episodes dedicated to the Ferengi.  Or freaking Will Riker.  Or Tasha Yar.  Or Wesley.

I'd take a Ferengi episode over any b-plot with Kes and Nelix.

Kes was fine, in multiple senses of the word.

Neelix was an abomination.

While we all age and loose our looks, Lien makes me think she broke the warp 10 barrier with Paris. 

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Bslim: the worst captain in all Trek canon is Bakula's execrable Archer (that one I blame on both, the writers and Bakula, who is T.E.R.R.I.B.L.E.)

His incompetence makes sense If you look at Archer in the light of spoiled kid who rides on his dad's coattails. I can see it working better if they leaned into that instead of trying to make him heroic 1st ST captain. 

"What do you mean my dog pissing on your sacred tree is offensive? I told you we were bringing a dog. What's a dog?OMG. I bet you don't know who my DAD is? Let me speak to your manager."  

His acting would still be worse than that farking theme song


Well that and meth
 
2020-05-23 10:20:33 AM  

Bot v2.38beta: His acting would still be worse than that farking theme song


"A cheesy ballad by a Rod Stewart impersonator? That's perfect for our sci-fi show!"
 
2020-05-23 10:44:01 AM  

Mega Steve: Bot v2.38beta: His acting would still be worse than that farking theme song

"A cheesy ballad by a Rod Stewart impersonator? That's perfect for our sci-fi show!"


The worst part is that it was recycled from the actual Rod Stewart version from Patch Adams. 

WithinReason:
Well that and meth

That explains the getting naked in a fit of anger, in front of a neighbor's son incident.
 
2020-05-23 11:09:05 AM  

Bot v2.38beta: Mega Steve: Bot v2.38beta: His acting would still be worse than that farking theme song

"A cheesy ballad by a Rod Stewart impersonator? That's perfect for our sci-fi show!"

The worst part is that it was recycled from the actual Rod Stewart version from Patch Adams. 

WithinReason:
Well that and meth

That explains the getting naked in a fit of anger, in front of a neighbor's son incident.


Wow...I didn't think it was really Rod. That makes it even sadder
 
2020-05-23 11:13:39 AM  
Not sure how this got left off my post.


Faith Of The Heart Rod Stewart Patch Adams Tribute
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7 days ago  

Bot v2.38beta: Mega Steve: Bot v2.38beta: His acting would still be worse than that farking theme song

"A cheesy ballad by a Rod Stewart impersonator? That's perfect for our sci-fi show!"

The worst part is that it was recycled from the actual Rod Stewart version from Patch Adams. 

WithinReason:
Well that and meth

That explains the getting naked in a fit of anger, in front of a neighbor's son incident.


Mega Steve: Bot v2.38beta: His acting would still be worse than that farking theme song

"A cheesy ballad by a Rod Stewart impersonator? That's perfect for our sci-fi show!"


The worst part is that it was recycled from the actual Rod Stewart version from Patch Adams.


Compounded with how they absolutely refused to replace it with a proper score preferring to double down and spit on the audience's face by remixing it into something even worse. That stupid song grinds my gears in so many ways. That whole song business started the show off on the wrong foot and set-up all the failures that would follow.
 
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