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2020-05-22 5:51:30 PM  
None of those are accurate at all.
 
2020-05-22 5:55:54 PM  
Speaking of Venezuela, what happened to Bay Of Pigs II? They participants still having needles shoved under their fingernails somewhere, or did we recover them?
 
2020-05-22 5:58:28 PM  
Before clicking thought it was about the proxy war in Libya, Russia v Turkey.
 
2020-05-22 6:19:22 PM  

Bootleg: Speaking of Venezuela, what happened to Bay Of Pigs II? They participants still having needles shoved under their fingernails somewhere, or did we recover them?


I'm sure they were disavowed. When asked, Sargent Schultz replied "I know nothing. Nothing!"
 
2020-05-22 7:28:20 PM  

Nadie_AZ: Bootleg: Speaking of Venezuela, what happened to Bay Of Pigs II? They participants still having needles shoved under their fingernails somewhere, or did we recover them?

I'm sure they were disavowed. When asked, Sargent Schultz replied "I know nothing. Nothing!"


Should have sent the A-Team.  You'd at least get a couple awesome jeep flips out of it.
 
2020-05-22 9:11:03 PM  
Wait, Venezuela is *importing* oil??
 
2020-05-22 9:56:32 PM  
I just imagine SEAL Team 6 pulling up beside the tanker, unraveling a roll of rubber tubing, and siphoning out 1.5 million barrels of gasoline. They'll never notice!
 
2020-05-22 11:03:24 PM  

eurotrader: Before clicking thought it was about the proxy war in Libya, Russia v Turkey.


Tried to get that greened too, Admins weren't having it.
 
2020-05-22 11:08:26 PM  
Are they trading nukes for marching powder?
 
2020-05-22 11:09:01 PM  
So the plan is to protect the tanker once they are basically inside the harbour, based on that weaponry.

Yup, that'll deter the US.
 
2020-05-22 11:09:36 PM  

fusillade762: Wait, Venezuela is *importing* oil??


Yep. Shiat so farked up there that the country with the actual largest PROVENoil reserves in the world is importing it.
 
2020-05-22 11:10:13 PM  
Drop your cocks and grab your Glocks! It's time for Operation Gedeon II Electric  Coupbaloo!
 
2020-05-22 11:11:04 PM  

fusillade762: Wait, Venezuela is *importing* oil??


The article says "gasoline". With how desperate things were getting there BEFORE Corona... I wouldn't be surprised if Venezuela couldn't produce enough gasoline
 
2020-05-22 11:12:46 PM  
Meanwhile trump continues with his stupid ass sanctions that do nothing and only hurt the venezuelian people.

What about we KILL MADURO instead?

Just do a surprise SLBM strike on the presidential palace during the night or something. Level it.

International law says we cant kill dictators but come on, its not like Murica ever gave a fark about international law.

When a country rich as Venezuela is going through a famine, its time for the world to act and if some assholes like Russia or China says no, you tell them to fark off and you do it anyway.
 
2020-05-22 11:13:59 PM  
Why does Venezuela need Iranian oil?
 
2020-05-22 11:16:59 PM  
They are importing gasoline.  Apparently, Venezuela doesn't have the refining capacity to make enough gas for themselves.
 
2020-05-22 11:17:36 PM  

fusillade762: Wait, Venezuela is *importing* oil??


And how is it paying for it?
 
2020-05-22 11:18:06 PM  

lolmao500: Meanwhile trump continues with his stupid ass sanctions that do nothing and only hurt the venezuelian people.

What about we KILL MADURO instead?

Just do a surprise SLBM strike on the presidential palace during the night or something. Level it.

International law says we cant kill dictators but come on, its not like Murica ever gave a fark about international law.

When a country rich as Venezuela is going through a famine, its time for the world to act and if some assholes like Russia or China says no, you tell them to fark off and you do it anyway.


Yeah? Because, that would solve one problem and potentially create more. What if China or Russia decide that THEY want a piece of Venezuela?

Also, how are you gonna track that fark down? He's probably in the deepest hole he can find
 
2020-05-22 11:18:30 PM  
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2020-05-22 11:19:09 PM  
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2020-05-22 11:23:39 PM  
Lousy smerch weather
 
2020-05-22 11:26:16 PM  
Wait. The tankers are carrying gasoline?? Bold strategy Cotton...
 
2020-05-22 11:26:33 PM  

iheartscotch: lolmao500: Meanwhile trump continues with his stupid ass sanctions that do nothing and only hurt the venezuelian people.

What about we KILL MADURO instead?

Just do a surprise SLBM strike on the presidential palace during the night or something. Level it.

International law says we cant kill dictators but come on, its not like Murica ever gave a fark about international law.

When a country rich as Venezuela is going through a famine, its time for the world to act and if some assholes like Russia or China says no, you tell them to fark off and you do it anyway.

Yeah? Because, that would solve one problem and potentially create more. What if China or Russia decide that THEY want a piece of Venezuela?

Also, how are you gonna track that fark down? He's probably in the deepest hole he can find


Yeah lets do nothing and let the dictator do a famine on his people. Do nothing. Let the countries run by evil scumbags stop you from making the world a better place because they might do something. Great plan.

Russia and China dont have the ressources to show up to Venezuela en force. They're a joke.
 
2020-05-22 11:28:26 PM  

iheartscotch: lolmao500: Meanwhile trump continues with his stupid ass sanctions that do nothing and only hurt the venezuelian people.

What about we KILL MADURO instead?

Just do a surprise SLBM strike on the presidential palace during the night or something. Level it.

International law says we cant kill dictators but come on, its not like Murica ever gave a fark about international law.

When a country rich as Venezuela is going through a famine, its time for the world to act and if some assholes like Russia or China says no, you tell them to fark off and you do it anyway.

Yeah? Because, that would solve one problem and potentially create more. What if China or Russia decide that THEY want a piece of Venezuela?

Also, how are you gonna track that fark down? He's probably in the deepest hole he can find


More importantly, it legitimizes using assassination of state leaders to further national goals.  The only thing protecting world leaders from each others' snipers is fear of quid pro quo.
 
2020-05-22 11:29:43 PM  

fusillade762: Wait, Venezuela is *importing* oil??


If i remember correctly, PDVSA's infrastructure was built by Exxon to process the heavy sour crude which requires a lot of work and maintenance. The whole tiff between Exxon/Mobile with PDVSA after the asset nationalizations created a massive problem as expertise left the country and they were unable to maintain the system.  Thus, the refineries and cracking plants slowly broke down with no replacements. At this point, it would probably take another $10 Billion investment to bring all the systems back on line and there is just no way anyone except maybe China would do that.
 
2020-05-22 11:32:29 PM  
Because 2020 was just going too smoothly.
 
2020-05-22 11:33:09 PM  

Ketchuponsteak: fusillade762: Wait, Venezuela is *importing* oil??

And how is it paying for it?


Mexico?

/got nuthin
 
2020-05-22 11:33:28 PM  
hey guys socialism
 
2020-05-22 11:34:27 PM  

fusillade762: Wait, Venezuela is *importing* oil??


Venezuelan crude is extremely heavy and dirty so it requires specialized refineries.  Also doesn't produce as much light distillates like gasoline so it's often easier and more economical their crude and import what distillates that they need.  While the Venezuelan case is extreme, it's pretty much that way with every crude producer to some extent.  A country that has a very light crude ideal for gasoline will import a heavier crude for fuel oils.
 
2020-05-22 11:38:01 PM  

Ketchuponsteak: fusillade762: Wait, Venezuela is *importing* oil??

And how is it paying for it?


Barter.  The Iranians are pros at the sanction dodging game.

Although I'm not sure what Maduro has to barter with.  Maybe Iran will just leave a few hundred Hezbollah behind.
 
2020-05-22 11:40:15 PM  

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: iheartscotch: lolmao500: Meanwhile trump continues with his stupid ass sanctions that do nothing and only hurt the venezuelian people.

What about we KILL MADURO instead?

Just do a surprise SLBM strike on the presidential palace during the night or something. Level it.

International law says we cant kill dictators but come on, its not like Murica ever gave a fark about international law.

When a country rich as Venezuela is going through a famine, its time for the world to act and if some assholes like Russia or China says no, you tell them to fark off and you do it anyway.

Yeah? Because, that would solve one problem and potentially create more. What if China or Russia decide that THEY want a piece of Venezuela?

Also, how are you gonna track that fark down? He's probably in the deepest hole he can find

More importantly, it legitimizes using assassination of state leaders to further national goals.  The only thing protecting world leaders from each others' snipers is fear of quid pro quo.


We kinda tore up that idea when the Iranian general got atomized on Iraqi soil. US leaders became fair game for other nations at that point.
 
2020-05-22 11:47:07 PM  

thedingoatemybaby: fusillade762: Wait, Venezuela is *importing* oil??

Yep. Shiat so farked up there that the country with the actual largest PROVENoil reserves in the world is importing it.


No true socialism!
 
2020-05-22 11:47:42 PM  

lolmao500: iheartscotch: lolmao500: Meanwhile trump continues with his stupid ass sanctions that do nothing and only hurt the venezuelian people.

What about we KILL MADURO instead?

Just do a surprise SLBM strike on the presidential palace during the night or something. Level it.

International law says we cant kill dictators but come on, its not like Murica ever gave a fark about international law.

When a country rich as Venezuela is going through a famine, its time for the world to act and if some assholes like Russia or China says no, you tell them to fark off and you do it anyway.

Yeah? Because, that would solve one problem and potentially create more. What if China or Russia decide that THEY want a piece of Venezuela?

Also, how are you gonna track that fark down? He's probably in the deepest hole he can find

Yeah lets do nothing and let the dictator do a famine on his people. Do nothing. Let the countries run by evil scumbags stop you from making the world a better place because they might do something. Great plan.

Russia and China dont have the ressources to show up to Venezuela en force. They're a joke.


Russia already owns Venezuela, that is who gives them all their weapons and training.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia%​E​2%80%93Venezuela_relations

And China owns the other half.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China%E​2​%80%93Venezuela_relations
 
2020-05-22 11:51:56 PM  

lolmao500: Meanwhile trump continues with his stupid ass sanctions that do nothing and only hurt the venezuelian people.

What about we KILL MADURO instead?

Just do a surprise SLBM strike on the presidential palace during the night or something. Level it.

International law says we cant kill dictators but come on, its not like Murica ever gave a fark about international law.

When a country rich as Venezuela is going through a famine, its time for the world to act and if some assholes like Russia or China says no, you tell them to fark off and you do it anyway.


The sanctions are aimed at the criminal leadership in Venezuela.

The peoples suffering is brought on by a socialist dictatorship.

Which is basically saying the same thing twice.
 
2020-05-22 11:56:08 PM  

iheartscotch: fusillade762: Wait, Venezuela is *importing* oil??

The article says "gasoline". With how desperate things were getting there BEFORE Corona... I wouldn't be surprised if Venezuela couldn't produce enough gasoline


They never have, most has been refined in the US Gulf Coast. That's why I always laughed when Chavez talked about cutting the US, with their sour crude and low refining capacity they needed us a lot more than we needed them. This was especially true post fracking boom when we became a net exporter.
 
2020-05-22 11:56:29 PM  

Surrender your boo-tah: lolmao500: Meanwhile trump continues with his stupid ass sanctions that do nothing and only hurt the venezuelian people.

What about we KILL MADURO instead?

Just do a surprise SLBM strike on the presidential palace during the night or something. Level it.

International law says we cant kill dictators but come on, its not like Murica ever gave a fark about international law.

When a country rich as Venezuela is going through a famine, its time for the world to act and if some assholes like Russia or China says no, you tell them to fark off and you do it anyway.

The sanctions are aimed at the criminal leadership in Venezuela.

The peoples suffering is brought on by a socialist dictatorship.

Which is basically saying the same thing twice.


Except that Socialist Dictatorship is an oxymoron. It's a dictatorship that uses the veneer of socialism.
 
2020-05-22 11:56:33 PM  
Venezuela is more of a soaking wet July 4 sparkler monkey.
 
2020-05-22 11:57:31 PM  

robodog: iheartscotch: fusillade762: Wait, Venezuela is *importing* oil??

The article says "gasoline". With how desperate things were getting there BEFORE Corona... I wouldn't be surprised if Venezuela couldn't produce enough gasoline

They never have, most has been refined in the US Gulf Coast. That's why I always laughed when Chavez talked about cutting the US, with their sour crude and low refining capacity they needed us a lot more than we needed them. This was especially true post fracking boom when we became a net exporter.


The current Russia/ OPEC economic war has changed that equation.
 
2020-05-22 11:58:01 PM  
Fracking, I mean.
 
2020-05-23 12:04:01 AM  

baron von doodle: Fracking, I mean.


For now, assuming there's any world demand in a year or two fracking will start back up. The floor on fracking prices is a combination of crude and natural gas. Unfortunately for domestic producers with low electric, heating, and industrial demand for gas, and low transportation demand for crude, they're being hit from both ends right now.
 
2020-05-23 12:09:45 AM  
FTA: five Iranian tankers carrying approximately 1.5 million barrels of gasoline safely into port in Venezuela

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2020-05-23 12:11:54 AM  

lolmao500: iheartscotch: lolmao500: Meanwhile trump continues with his stupid ass sanctions that do nothing and only hurt the venezuelian people.

What about we KILL MADURO instead?

Just do a surprise SLBM strike on the presidential palace during the night or something. Level it.

International law says we cant kill dictators but come on, its not like Murica ever gave a fark about international law.

When a country rich as Venezuela is going through a famine, its time for the world to act and if some assholes like Russia or China says no, you tell them to fark off and you do it anyway.

Yeah? Because, that would solve one problem and potentially create more. What if China or Russia decide that THEY want a piece of Venezuela?

Also, how are you gonna track that fark down? He's probably in the deepest hole he can find

Yeah lets do nothing and let the dictator do a famine on his people. Do nothing. Let the countries run by evil scumbags stop you from making the world a better place because they might do something. Great plan.

Russia and China dont have the ressources to show up to Venezuela en force. They're a joke.


What would you have us do? Mobilize the Big Red One every time that there is injustice in the world?

I agree that, in a perfect world, we should help those less fortunate than ourselves. But, this is not that perfect world. This is the real world.
 
2020-05-23 12:17:06 AM  

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: iheartscotch: lolmao500: Meanwhile trump continues with his stupid ass sanctions that do nothing and only hurt the venezuelian people.

What about we KILL MADURO instead?

Just do a surprise SLBM strike on the presidential palace during the night or something. Level it.

International law says we cant kill dictators but come on, its not like Murica ever gave a fark about international law.

When a country rich as Venezuela is going through a famine, its time for the world to act and if some assholes like Russia or China says no, you tell them to fark off and you do it anyway.

Yeah? Because, that would solve one problem and potentially create more. What if China or Russia decide that THEY want a piece of Venezuela?

Also, how are you gonna track that fark down? He's probably in the deepest hole he can find

More importantly, it legitimizes using assassination of state leaders to further national goals.  The only thing protecting world leaders from each others' snipers is fear of quid pro quo.


So you're saying that if we killed another country's leader, that someone else might kill ours? I think you may be onto something there....
 
2020-05-23 12:17:45 AM  
I'd hope we let them have this one. Then start bombing them with Humanitarian Daily Rations. That would destabilize everything.

They could produce enough agricultural goods to support themselves, but things went kinda Lysenko about 20-30 years ago. It was easier to import from other countries than to support native productivity. But things have been shiat long enough you'd think they would have rebuilt native industries by now.
 
2020-05-23 12:22:18 AM  

robodog: they're being hit from both ends right now.


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2020-05-23 12:23:14 AM  

robodog: baron von doodle: Fracking, I mean.

For now, assuming there's any world demand in a year or two fracking will start back up. The floor on fracking prices is a combination of crude and natural gas. Unfortunately for domestic producers with low electric, heating, and industrial demand for gas, and low transportation demand for crude, they're being hit from both ends right now.


True
 
2020-05-23 12:42:34 AM  
 "Venezuela's surface to air weapons, while inexpensive, may have limited effectiveness against modern aircraft."

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2020-05-23 12:43:06 AM  

wildcardjack: I'd hope we let them have this one. Then start bombing them with Humanitarian Daily Rations. That would destabilize everything.

They could produce enough agricultural goods to support themselves, but things went kinda Lysenko about 20-30 years ago. It was easier to import from other countries than to support native productivity. But things have been shiat long enough you'd think they would have rebuilt native industries by now.


The folks who knew how to start up stuff left the country. Maduro is not as nice or as smart as Chavez was and he caused a refugee crisis for surrounding countries. The people with money and/or brains abandoned the country.

Here's the thing: civilization requires not just experts but more and more specialist types to keep going. Lose enough specialists and suddenly you have lots of gaps. Sure, you can read manuals and read books and watch how-tos but that isn't a replacement for years of technical training and experience. Competency is lost and it takes time to develop it again if you can find enough of the right people to fill those slots.

I don't think anyone really knows the status of their country but I seriously doubt they could come back from this without a lot of consultation and guidance from outside.
 
2020-05-23 12:57:47 AM  

BolloxReader: wildcardjack: I'd hope we let them have this one. Then start bombing them with Humanitarian Daily Rations. That would destabilize everything.

They could produce enough agricultural goods to support themselves, but things went kinda Lysenko about 20-30 years ago. It was easier to import from other countries than to support native productivity. But things have been shiat long enough you'd think they would have rebuilt native industries by now.

The folks who knew how to start up stuff left the country. Maduro is not as nice or as smart as Chavez was and he caused a refugee crisis for surrounding countries. The people with money and/or brains abandoned the country.

Here's the thing: civilization requires not just experts but more and more specialist types to keep going. Lose enough specialists and suddenly you have lots of gaps. Sure, you can read manuals and read books and watch how-tos but that isn't a replacement for years of technical training and experience. Competency is lost and it takes time to develop it again if you can find enough of the right people to fill those slots.

I don't think anyone really knows the status of their country but I seriously doubt they could come back from this without a lot of consultation and guidance from outside.


Yep.

The problem is lack of education and the whole "thats how my daddy and his daddy before him did it." And plus with the climate and the richness of the soil shiat just grows where you drop it.

My father in law in Colombia is an uneducated coffee farmer.  Cannot read and marks his name with an ex. Heckuva of a nice guy and pretty wise from living a hard life.

My in laws kinda saw me as a gringo city boy cause I did not grow up there.

However, I grew up in South Louisiana spent many a day helping my Cajun gramps with his "hobby" farm of about 80 acres.

Most of it was sugar cane but the rest was vegetables.

He had no idea about rotating crops on his small farm.  Like if you grow tomatos in this field one season, grow them someplace else the next.

He had an old patch he wasn't using and I said "I am gonna grow some tomatos".  I had my creole seeds from the states I had smuggled in.

I seeded about 60 plants in little cups and carried them in and out of the house every few days to harden them. This was over 2 month period.

When they got big enough I planted 40 each with a tablespoon of epsom salt and some egg shells at the roots.

After about 2 weeks about 10 died and I planted the other 20. All planted in rows. Not willy nilly like he did.

Did I mention that the 2 months before I composted the land with fruit rinds and other natural trash?

Once the plants got bigger once a week I sprayed em down with a natural liquid soap and water mix to keep the bugs off.

The whole family laughed at me until two months after the fact.

Everyone in town wanted to come see my tomatos and eat them. And my father in law was selling them.

I had to teach 70 year old farmer simple grow techniques that I learned from my grandpaw 40 years prior.


Latin American crop yields have gotten far better, but in the early 2000s they were like the the US in the 1950s.
 
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