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(US Naval Institute)   U.S. Navy releases video of a ship downing a drone with its frickin' laser beam during the first at-sea test. Pew pew!   (news.usni.org) divider line
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2020-05-22 9:05:46 PM  
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2020-05-22 11:20:20 PM  
Neat trick. Now let's try a jet-powered drone simulating a cruise middle. Then follow that with a ballistic missile intercept.
 
2020-05-23 1:08:35 AM  
We've officially entered the photoshop war with Iran and North Korea

shiat's getting real, yo
 
2020-05-23 1:14:13 AM  
So the tech savvy op for countries continue research into UMVs, Unmanned Marine Vehicles.  Lasers don't penetrate water.
 
2020-05-23 1:14:40 AM  
Sure has been a lot of saber rattling going on lately.
 
2020-05-23 1:14:49 AM  

AirForceVet: Then follow that with a ballistic missile intercept.


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2020-05-23 1:17:58 AM  
I was wondering if there's ever anywhere to see live weapon exercises, like air shows but for weapons?
 
2020-05-23 1:18:45 AM  
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2020-05-23 1:20:35 AM  
Well, to their credit, the US military-industrial is not fighting the last war with this new tech. Now they're fighting completely imaginary ones.

The last attacks on a US ship were some Houthi rebels aiming some rockets in the general direction of an Arleigh Burke, the USS Mason. It's unclear whether the missiles were successfully stopped by the Mason or just fell into the sea.

And of course the attack before that was the bombing the USS Cole, with a speedboat.

On the other hand, I suppose, having your own laser might be a lot more attractive than relying on an F35 CAP.
 
2020-05-23 1:20:57 AM  

2wolves: So the tech savvy op for countries continue research into UMVs, Unmanned Marine Vehicles.  Lasers don't penetrate water.


Good thing this is designed for UAV's, which are in development, vice research, by those tech savvy countries
 
2020-05-23 1:21:55 AM  

AirForceVet: simulating a cruise middle.


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2020-05-23 1:21:57 AM  
I imagine it sounded a little something like this:

pew pew pew pew
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2020-05-23 1:33:44 AM  
That ship's got one helluva case of gonorrhea, dude.
 
2020-05-23 1:34:24 AM  

fehk: I was wondering if there's ever anywhere to see live weapon exercises, like air shows but for weapons?


You could try robbing a drug dealer.
 
2020-05-23 1:34:40 AM  

fehk: I was wondering if there's ever anywhere to see live weapon exercises, like air shows but for weapons?


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Give those guys a call.  They'll hook you up.
 
2020-05-23 1:47:33 AM  
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2020-05-23 1:49:24 AM  

AirForceVet: Neat trick. Now let's try a jet-powered drone simulating a cruise middle. Then follow that with a ballistic missile intercept.


ICBM intercept in its final course at Mach 30.
 
2020-05-23 1:51:57 AM  
is that Sam Waterston dropping out the ceiling?

/checking on his Robot Insurance
 
2020-05-23 1:52:16 AM  

fehk: I was wondering if there's ever anywhere to see live weapon exercises, like air shows but for weapons?


Call your wife by her sister's name while you're doin it.
 
2020-05-23 1:55:11 AM  
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2020-05-23 1:58:10 AM  

DubtodaIll: Sure has been a lot of saber rattling going on lately.


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2020-05-23 2:01:30 AM  

AirForceVet: Neat trick. Now let's try a jet-powered drone simulating a cruise middle. Then follow that with a ballistic missile intercept.


How about we fix the roads and dams, get medical care to everyone in this country, improve education with a reality-based curriculum, shore up the foundations of our democracy with some election security, start making some real changes to our society to combat global ecological and climatological collapse, and some judicial and law enforcement reform to reduce the impact of institutional racism first?

/in no particular order
//I didn't even address sexism or misogyny, I just don't even have a clue how to fix that
 
2020-05-23 2:03:52 AM  
The elevation on that beam didn't look very steep. How much airspace are they turning into a no-go zone in order to get a clear shot?

/next up, drone clusters
 
2020-05-23 2:22:54 AM  

2wolves: So the tech savvy op for countries continue research into UMVs, Unmanned Marine Vehicles.  Lasers don't penetrate water.


Bonus:  They can be used for cocaine smuggling.
 
2020-05-23 2:24:24 AM  
Came looking for references to Jonny Quest - either 'Mystery of the Lizard Men' or 'The Robot Spy', take your pick.
 
2020-05-23 2:27:19 AM  

starsrift: Well, to their credit, the US military-industrial is not fighting the last war with this new tech. Now they're fighting completely imaginary ones.

The last attacks on a US ship were some Houthi rebels aiming some rockets in the general direction of an Arleigh Burke, the USS Mason. It's unclear whether the missiles were successfully stopped by the Mason or just fell into the sea.

And of course the attack before that was the bombing the USS Cole, with a speedboat.

On the other hand, I suppose, having your own laser might be a lot more attractive than relying on an F35 CAP.


The laser isn't designed to deal with terrorist insurgents or African warlords.  It's for dealing with bigger threats like China.  It's generally considered a good idea to have the resources to deal with an enemy before they attack.
 
2020-05-23 2:35:40 AM  
My kid worked on the Lockheed project.

I told him he damn well better build me my ray gun.
 
2020-05-23 2:37:33 AM  
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The formula has been online for years.
 
2020-05-23 2:52:06 AM  

Nicholas D. Wolfwood: Came looking for references to Jonny Quest - either 'Mystery of the Lizard Men' or 'The Robot Spy', take your pick.


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2020-05-23 3:09:43 AM  
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2020-05-23 3:16:08 AM  
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Mr Vice-President, I served with Race Bannon. I knew Race Bannon . Race Bannon was a friend of mine. Mr. Vice-President, you're no Race Bannon
 
2020-05-23 3:16:24 AM  
Meh. Let me know when we have Laser Chimps. LASER CHIMPS!
 
2020-05-23 3:19:35 AM  

starsrift: Well, to their credit, the US military-industrial is not fighting the last war with this new tech. Now they're fighting completely imaginary ones.


Well I mean like yeah those are the two logically possible options for military tech: stuff designed to fight a war we have already experienced, and stuff designed to fight a war we have not yet experienced so must imagine.
 
2020-05-23 3:23:49 AM  

Krieghund: 2wolves: So the tech savvy op for countries continue research into UMVs, Unmanned Marine Vehicles.  Lasers don't penetrate water.

Bonus:  They can be used for cocaine smuggling.


Couldn't they just use the CIA to smuggle their cocaine like a respectable drug lord?
 
2020-05-23 3:26:46 AM  

starsrift: Well, to their credit, the US military-industrial is not fighting the last war with this new tech. Now they're fighting completely imaginary ones.

The last attacks on a US ship were some Houthi rebels aiming some rockets in the general direction of an Arleigh Burke, the USS Mason. It's unclear whether the missiles were successfully stopped by the Mason or just fell into the sea.

And of course the attack before that was the bombing the USS Cole, with a speedboat.

On the other hand, I suppose, having your own laser might be a lot more attractive than relying on an F35 CAP.


You'll thank him when the Cylons arrive.
 
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2020-05-23 3:28:26 AM  

2wolves: So the tech savvy op for countries continue research into UMVs, Unmanned Marine Vehicles.  Lasers don't penetrate water.


I have never heard that lasers don't penetrate water.  Good thing that's not a testable assertion.  Oh, wait...

Seriously, even discounting the fact that I can use my laser pointer to shine through a pool with no issues at all, there are all sorts of technologies that rely on laser light penetrating water. Laser light absolutely does penetrate water, and whoever told you it doesn't is an idiot, a liar, or both.
 
2020-05-23 3:34:46 AM  

Al!: 2wolves: So the tech savvy op for countries continue research into UMVs, Unmanned Marine Vehicles.  Lasers don't penetrate water.

I have never heard that lasers don't penetrate water.  Good thing that's not a testable assertion.  Oh, wait...

Seriously, even discounting the fact that I can use my laser pointer to shine through a pool with no issues at all, there are all sorts of technologies that rely on laser light penetrating water. Laser light absolutely does penetrate water, and whoever told you it doesn't is an idiot, a liar, or both.


I'm guessing that enough energy to do damage to something could cause the water to vaporize.  And steam is going to diffuse the laser energy.  So it might work, but your going to see a loss of energy.
 
2020-05-23 3:52:09 AM  
OK, that is friggen cool.
 
2020-05-23 4:13:37 AM  

OgreMagi: starsrift: Well, to their credit, the US military-industrial is not fighting the last war with this new tech. Now they're fighting completely imaginary ones.

The last attacks on a US ship were some Houthi rebels aiming some rockets in the general direction of an Arleigh Burke, the USS Mason. It's unclear whether the missiles were successfully stopped by the Mason or just fell into the sea.

And of course the attack before that was the bombing the USS Cole, with a speedboat.

On the other hand, I suppose, having your own laser might be a lot more attractive than relying on an F35 CAP.

The laser isn't designed to deal with terrorist insurgents or African warlords.  It's for dealing with bigger threats like China.  It's generally considered a good idea to have the resources to deal with an enemy before they attack.


My point was twofold.

One: A drone is just an aircraft. The US already has plenty of tools already to bring down aircraft. Some of those aircraft it can bring down might even belong to an enemy.

Two: The US hasn't had a fight with a modern military since WW2. In fact, no US navy ship has been actually sunk by hostile action since WW2. That's not a bad thing, per se, but the wars it DOES fight are ones with much less advanced gear, and more, well, more scrappy opponents. If the MI complex develops anything, it should be practical workhorses along the lines of the A-10, not lasers to replace A-A batteries or CIWS. This doesn't appear to be actually better than the previous options, though it looks cool, I guess. I dunno, maybe I'm wrong, and the price of ammo is prohibitive.
 
2020-05-23 4:13:43 AM  
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2020-05-23 4:20:19 AM  

Al!: 2wolves: So the tech savvy op for countries continue research into UMVs, Unmanned Marine Vehicles.  Lasers don't penetrate water.

I have never heard that lasers don't penetrate water.  Good thing that's not a testable assertion.  Oh, wait...

Seriously, even discounting the fact that I can use my laser pointer to shine through a pool with no issues at all, there are all sorts of technologies that rely on laser light penetrating water. Laser light absolutely does penetrate water, and whoever told you it doesn't is an idiot, a liar, or both.


The lasers on naval vessels don't work well in fog or shooting into clouds.  Power delivery is degraded to the point where you can't blast a UAV into chunks.

https://www.popularmechanics.com/mili​t​ary/weapons/news/a19877/how-the-milita​ry-will-be-revolutionized-by-laser-wea​ponry/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laser_w​e​apon
Atmospheric thermal blooming has been a major problem, still mostly unsolved and worsened if there is fog, smoke, dust, rain, snow, smog, foam, or purposely dispersed obscurant chemicals in the air.
 
2020-05-23 4:27:42 AM  
Refraction of a laser in salt solution
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2020-05-23 4:34:09 AM  

starsrift: OgreMagi: starsrift: Well, to their credit, the US military-industrial is not fighting the last war with this new tech. Now they're fighting completely imaginary ones.

The last attacks on a US ship were some Houthi rebels aiming some rockets in the general direction of an Arleigh Burke, the USS Mason. It's unclear whether the missiles were successfully stopped by the Mason or just fell into the sea.

And of course the attack before that was the bombing the USS Cole, with a speedboat.

On the other hand, I suppose, having your own laser might be a lot more attractive than relying on an F35 CAP.

The laser isn't designed to deal with terrorist insurgents or African warlords.  It's for dealing with bigger threats like China.  It's generally considered a good idea to have the resources to deal with an enemy before they attack.

My point was twofold.

One: A drone is just an aircraft. The US already has plenty of tools already to bring down aircraft. Some of those aircraft it can bring down might even belong to an enemy.

Two: The US hasn't had a fight with a modern military since WW2. In fact, no US navy ship has been actually sunk by hostile action since WW2. That's not a bad thing, per se, but the wars it DOES fight are ones with much less advanced gear, and more, well, more scrappy opponents. If the MI complex develops anything, it should be practical workhorses along the lines of the A-10, not lasers to replace A-A batteries or CIWS. This doesn't appear to be actually better than the previous options, though it looks cool, I guess. I dunno, maybe I'm wrong, and the price of ammo is prohibitive.


Tools can find different uses. I mean, the practical workhorse you mention was originally conceived as being useful if we have a giant tank battle on the plains of Eastern Europe, which of course there hasn't been since Kursk, and if the US has redundant options in any one mission it is certainly "ways to blow up a tank" -- and it's loved in large part because of how cool its BRRRRT is. But it found plenty of practical uses and dedicated proponents even if it never actually managed to rake any lines of melted lead through any kilometre-long Soviet armoured columns.

Does a giant laser have military applications other than splashing drones? Certainly. Are those applications all going to be obvious until we have practical giant lasers? Certainly not. Is pouring billions of dollars into pew pew so we can figure out why we want pew pew an absurd waste of resources in a society where people can't afford to see a doctor? Of course it is. But it's been the American Way since 1950 or so.
 
2020-05-23 4:48:57 AM  

arkansized: My kid worked on the Lockheed project.

I told him he damn well better build me my ray gun.


I have a ray-gun You'll have to pry it from his cold dead hand
 
2020-05-23 5:13:29 AM  

starsrift: My point was twofold.

One: A drone is just an aircraft. The US already has plenty of tools already to bring down aircraft. Some of those aircraft it can bring down might even belong to an enemy.

Two: The US hasn't had a fight with a modern military since WW2. In fact, no US navy ship has been actually sunk by hostile action since WW2. That's not a bad thing, per se, but the wars it DOES fight are ones with much less advanced gear, and more, well, more scrappy opponents. If the MI complex develops anything, it should be practical workhorses along the lines of the A-10, not lasers to replace A-A batteries or CIWS. This doesn't appear to be actually better than the previous options, though it looks cool, I guess. I dunno, maybe I'm wrong, and the price of ammo is prohibitive.


Addressing your comments:

One:  Before drones, modern warfare aircraft was significantly bigger, which meant: Big targets (comparably).  Now, with drones, we have to be able to hit something significantly smaller (and they're only going to keep getting smaller as technology improves).  This required new technology, as projectile/missile ammunition can have its trajectory altered by a gust of wind, causing it to miss its target (and when you have something ugly coming in hot, you may not get a second chance to shoot at it).  A laser is repositionable while it is firing, and isn't affected by wind while in flight.  And as long as you can produce enough power and cooling for this weapon, it doesn't have any reload downtime.

Two:  The reason the US hasn't had a fight with a modern military is because of weapons like this.  Knowing that we have capabilities like these (and these are just the ones we're willing to show) are deterrents to picking fights with us (from large modern militaries; of course the smaller "scrappier" ones still give it a shot every now and then, but as your comment illustrated, none have succeeded in accomplishing too awful much; again, because of new technologies like these).
 
2020-05-23 5:14:49 AM  

starsrift: OgreMagi: starsrift: Well, to their credit, the US military-industrial is not fighting the last war with this new tech. Now they're fighting completely imaginary ones.

The last attacks on a US ship were some Houthi rebels aiming some rockets in the general direction of an Arleigh Burke, the USS Mason. It's unclear whether the missiles were successfully stopped by the Mason or just fell into the sea.

And of course the attack before that was the bombing the USS Cole, with a speedboat.

On the other hand, I suppose, having your own laser might be a lot more attractive than relying on an F35 CAP.

The laser isn't designed to deal with terrorist insurgents or African warlords.  It's for dealing with bigger threats like China.  It's generally considered a good idea to have the resources to deal with an enemy before they attack.

My point was twofold.

One: A drone is just an aircraft. The US already has plenty of tools already to bring down aircraft. Some of those aircraft it can bring down might even belong to an enemy.

Two: The US hasn't had a fight with a modern military since WW2. In fact, no US navy ship has been actually sunk by hostile action since WW2. That's not a bad thing, per se, but the wars it DOES fight are ones with much less advanced gear, and more, well, more scrappy opponents. If the MI complex develops anything, it should be practical workhorses along the lines of the A-10, not lasers to replace A-A batteries or CIWS. This doesn't appear to be actually better than the previous options, though it looks cool, I guess. I dunno, maybe I'm wrong, and the price of ammo is prohibitive.


So instead of developing new weapons, we should keep developing old weapons?
 
2020-05-23 6:36:01 AM  

starsrift: OgreMagi: starsrift: Well, to their credit, the US military-industrial is not fighting the last war with this new tech. Now they're fighting completely imaginary ones.

The last attacks on a US ship were some Houthi rebels aiming some rockets in the general direction of an Arleigh Burke, the USS Mason. It's unclear whether the missiles were successfully stopped by the Mason or just fell into the sea.

And of course the attack before that was the bombing the USS Cole, with a speedboat.

On the other hand, I suppose, having your own laser might be a lot more attractive than relying on an F35 CAP.

The laser isn't designed to deal with terrorist insurgents or African warlords.  It's for dealing with bigger threats like China.  It's generally considered a good idea to have the resources to deal with an enemy before they attack.

My point was twofold.

One: A drone is just an aircraft. The US already has plenty of tools already to bring down aircraft. Some of those aircraft it can bring down might even belong to an enemy.

Two: The US hasn't had a fight with a modern military since WW2. In fact, no US navy ship has been actually sunk by hostile action since WW2. That's not a bad thing, per se, but the wars it DOES fight are ones with much less advanced gear, and more, well, more scrappy opponents. If the MI complex develops anything, it should be practical workhorses along the lines of the A-10, not lasers to replace A-A batteries or CIWS. This doesn't appear to be actually better than the previous options, though it looks cool, I guess. I dunno, maybe I'm wrong, and the price of ammo is prohibitive.


The aircraft that this laser can take on particularly well are small drones carrying grenades, the type isis has been known to deploy in small numbers. The risk is that a state entity could deploy drones in large numbers.
As a matter of cost these kinds of drones are far cheaper than the countermeasures that could be deployed to stop them.  You'd be spending thousands of dollars on a missile, or hundreds of dollars per explosive shell (which are fired in bursts) to intercept a $500 toy.

What present energy weapons represent as a means to intercept these things quickly and cheaply. So you could target dozens at a time and hit them for a dollars worth of fuel per shot. As the technology envelops you'll be able to engage mortars and missiles much more reliably than we can with other systems.
It's going to be a critical capability to have on a modern battlefield where guided munitions are dirt cheap.

Perdix Drone Swarm - Fighters Release Hive-mind-controlled Weapon UAVs in Air
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2020-05-23 6:38:33 AM  
They have to turn to boat upside down to change the batteries.
 
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