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(LA Times)   Pearl Harbor, 9/11, and even Katrina brought Americans together in the solidarity of shared grief. Suddenly, Trump   (latimes.com) divider line
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2020-05-22 7:37:13 PM  
But Trump says he does not take responsibility for any of this so he is free and clear of any blame and if you cannot believe the word of the President of the United States then you are a bog doody head.
 
2020-05-22 7:40:58 PM  
Democrats have tried to draw attention to the deaths and in some case use them as a political cudgel against Trump in the presidential race.

Pointing out the fact that he's farked this up at every possible step is not using it as a "political cudgel".
 
2020-05-22 8:07:59 PM  

fusillade762: Democrats have tried to draw attention to the deaths and in some case use them as a political cudgel against Trump in the presidential race.

Pointing out the fact that he's farked this up at every possible step is not using it as a "political cudgel".


Weasel words from the candy ass, so-called, "liberal media".
 
2020-05-22 8:43:29 PM  
Donny has been shrinking his tent since day one. The only people who are left are the grifters and the true believers.
 
2020-05-22 8:47:45 PM  
Trump is a symptom, not the disease.
These same people who are (or would be) Trumpheads now, were not "brought together" during those previous tough times either.

During the 1940s (and mid- to late-30s) there were "America Firsters" who did not want the US to get involved in "Europe's war."

After 9/11, there were those who attacked Muslims (or worse, Sikhs) and of course, "Get a Brain, Morans" guy.

During Katrina there were plenty of Americans who blamed New Orleanders and the state and local leaders there for their plight to deflect criticism of Dubya.

These people are always with us.
It's just they have finally found the "leader" they always wanted (and deserve) in Trump.
 
2020-05-22 9:07:51 PM  
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2020-05-22 9:12:34 PM  
It's always "Us vs. Them" with Republicans.  Occasionally a Schumer or a Pelosi pushes back but they always wilt like warm lettuce eventually.

Republicans never negotiate in good faith, they only recognize a war, and Democrats need to give them a war they won't believe.  But that will never happen.
 
2020-05-22 10:01:34 PM  
But in each past tragedy, the president has stepped up and acted presidential - ie dropped the partisan attitude, called on everyone to share the sorrow, and expressed empathy for the victims.

Trump has nothing but whine about the impact on him. Past presidents have been leaders. Trump is just a crybaby
 
2020-05-22 10:03:40 PM  
The authors of TFA asks too much. Impeached President Donald Trump is a text book narcissist. How is a narcissist supposed to empathize?
 
2020-05-22 10:31:24 PM  
Huh. It's almost like scapegoating, fingerprinting, contrarianism, and overall being a pouty whiny biatch makes for horrible leadership.
 
2020-05-22 10:32:29 PM  
Again, Trump would get re-elected if he could find some way to keep from stepping on his own dick.

Say some mumbo jumbo about how Americans can overcome and then just sit back and wait for election day.

But no, Trump is the dumbest person on the planet... thank god, I guess.
 
2020-05-22 10:32:42 PM  
And we'll likely reach 100,000 right on Memorial Day.

If I still believed, this would be an obvious sign.
 
2020-05-22 10:33:42 PM  
Yes, and those events were about the sudden loss of people within one day whereas this is a slow death over the course of months. Apples and oranges.

Look, I know you guys at the press are running out of things to write but stop getting sloppy with the false parallelisms or whatever you call them.  Stop trying to guilt us.
 
2020-05-22 10:34:20 PM  
Trump represents a side of the GOP that hate the other side more than they love the country, and are more than OK with hurting the country as a whole if it makes them suffer.

He has failed to bring the country together because he has failed to actually act like a leader.  49 out of 50 Governors are polling higher than he is.  There has been no cohesive plan on the Federal level and consistently we're hearing stories about how they've interfered and made things worse.

There has never been a point where he has admitted wrongdoing and no moment of conciliation.  He is remorseless for his actions, or inaction and fails to accept responsibility.

The best thing that can happen is a long harsh backlash lasting decades where we get to wave 100k dead and a host of other reasons why the GOP shouldn't be trusted to hold office anywhere in this country.
 
2020-05-22 10:36:01 PM  
That church in NYC that Trump says he "belongs to" should hold a memorial service and invite him to say a few "best" words. He won't accdpt because if he did it would just sound disingenuous like everything he does.
 
2020-05-22 10:45:20 PM  
Trump is a divider, not a uniter. He's made this pretty clear. He "leads" his side of the United States, and tells everyone else to fark off (but to remember that he personally gave them $1,200), and to get over it. He's kept the country divided and embittered, but it's important to remember that Trump is only the symptom of the problem. Partisanship in the face of adversity has been a Republican trait for a while. Just remember all the times Republicans have questioned (or outright opposed) delivering disaster relief dollars to New York City after Hurricane Sandy for no other reason than stigginit. Republicans govern on hatred and malice. So, of course when they're in charge, governing out of malice is business as usual, and no amount of calamity or catastrophe is going to change that.
 
2020-05-22 10:45:30 PM  

rjakobi: Yes, and those events were about the sudden loss of people within one day whereas this is a slow death over the course of months. Apples and oranges.

Look, I know you guys at the press are running out of things to write but stop getting sloppy with the false parallelisms or whatever you call them.  Stop trying to guilt us.


COVID-19's American death toll has routinely been more than one Katrina a day, and has approached a Pearl Harbor or even a 9/11 a day several times during the pandemic.
 
2020-05-22 10:48:09 PM  
This reminds me of the national shared grief that accompanied the 2975 dead Americans in Puerto Rico. I remember the memorial services, the flags flown at half mast, how Elvis returned from Beta Draconis for that benefit concert...
 
2020-05-22 10:48:31 PM  

LordJiro: rjakobi: Yes, and those events were about the sudden loss of people within one day whereas this is a slow death over the course of months. Apples and oranges.

Look, I know you guys at the press are running out of things to write but stop getting sloppy with the false parallelisms or whatever you call them.  Stop trying to guilt us.

COVID-19's American death toll has routinely been more than one Katrina a day, and has approached a Pearl Harbor or even a 9/11 a day several times during the pandemic.


Yup. COVID moves really fast, dude. Study it out.
 
2020-05-22 10:48:51 PM  
I guess subby doesn't remember the US and worldwide protests against Dubya less than a year after 9/11 as he made plans to go to war against Iraq for no reason at all.
 
2020-05-22 10:49:49 PM  
It comes from the top. The nation's psyche feeds off the emotions of its leaders in times of crisis.

Obama broke down in tears when reading the names of the kids massacred at Sandy Hook. The nation felt that. Clinton was resolute and somber in the wake of the Oklahoma City bombing. The nation reflected that. Bush was serious and remorseful yet determined after 9/11. The nation took heed of that.

The leader must show emotion. The nation must see it. That's how we deal with our grief collectively.

When the leader is completely blase about a tragedy, that it's not a big deal or it's possibly not even happening..... then there's no collective response to that. He doesn't care, so we don't care. Why should we?

And Trump doesn't care, because he's incapable of expressing the sort of emotion that is required of a leader.
 
2020-05-22 10:51:01 PM  
Even with all that, he still get something of a bump in the polls, until he turned the coronavirus briefings into his substitute for his Klan rally campaign stops, full of rambling lies and attacks on people.

I mean, all he had to do was just say a couple of platitudes about how we will weather this storm, that our nation has been tested, blah blah blah, and hand the mic off to Fauci, and he'd probably be looking at approval ratings in the 60s now.  But, no, he can't do that.  It has to be him.
 
2020-05-22 10:52:36 PM  

mofa: This reminds me of the national shared grief that accompanied the 2975 dead Americans in Puerto Rico. I remember the memorial services, the flags flown at half mast, how Elvis returned from Beta Draconis for that benefit concert...


you mean 16 deaths right?

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2020-05-22 10:54:16 PM  
9/11 didn't bring Americans together.  I was there. I remember.

If anything, 9/11 sped the whole process of division up. There were the people who did unite under patriotism, but also the people who were deeply distrustful of the government response and have opposed most of it this whole time. And don't forget the racists. They immediately started to attack indians, sikhs, and anyone else remotely foreign looking in complete ignorance of culture or geography. That's the birth of the Trumper cohort, most likely.

9/11 didn't unite America, it shattered it.
 
2020-05-22 10:55:15 PM  
So I'm guessing Subby is about 19 or 20 and doesn't remember all the politics around 9/11 and Katrina...especially the "My Pet Goat" and "Bush played guitar while New Orleans drowned" memes.

And, of course, the browbeating the Republicans gave the Democrats to enact the USA PATRIOT Act and the AUMF in Iraq.
 
2020-05-22 10:55:32 PM  
Yeah, we had the same number of Americans who died in the entirety of the Vietnam war die in 3 months. By mid-June we will have passed the number of American dead in World War I.

And for some reason just acknowledging that this is a tragic thing that needs to be processed is a political opinion.

It's surreal.
 
2020-05-22 10:56:02 PM  

The Perineum Falcon: But Trump says he does not take responsibility for any of this so he is free and clear of any blame and if you cannot believe the word of the President of the United States then you are a bog doody head.


Oh you give him too much leeway.  Not only does he not take responsibility for any of this, he specifically BLAMES the Obama administration.  They clearly left him no plan, no ventilators, no tests, and they punched old people on the way out the door to make them more vulnerable to the China Virus.  And don't get me started on the fact that Obama was B-L-A-C-K.

So clearly, all the dead is Obama's fault.
 
2020-05-22 10:56:40 PM  
Well, I can't say I recall  Bush encouraging the Armed Thug cohort of his supporters to demand that their governors force service industry workers back into Tower Two or into the flooded Ninth Ward.
 
2020-05-22 10:57:53 PM  
We need a cure for TDS.
 
2020-05-22 10:58:51 PM  
Fascism means never having to admit you are wrong. You just get to point your guns and shout down any dissent and pretend you were 100% right about everything.

And it was birthed by the GOP.
 
2020-05-22 10:59:27 PM  

Kangaroo_Ralph: We need a cure for TDS.


It's called death of a tyrant.
 
2020-05-22 11:00:15 PM  

rjakobi: Yes, and those events were about the sudden loss of people within one day whereas this is a slow death over the course of months. Apples and oranges.

Look, I know you guys at the press are running out of things to write but stop getting sloppy with the false parallelisms or whatever you call them.  Stop trying to guilt us.


I don't know how to explain to you that you need to care about others.
 
2020-05-22 11:00:21 PM  
Just finished this tonight, basically predicted and describes where we are now socially. Highly recommended.

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2020-05-22 11:00:33 PM  

IlGreven: So I'm guessing Subby is about 19 or 20 and doesn't remember all the politics around 9/11 and Katrina...especially the "My Pet Goat" and "Bush played guitar while New Orleans drowned" memes.

And, of course, the browbeating the Republicans gave the Democrats to enact the USA PATRIOT Act and the AUMF in Iraq.


Being called a traitor because I thought we shouldn't attack the country that didn't orchestrate 9/11 really made me feel unificated with my fellow man.
 
2020-05-22 11:00:56 PM  

Kangaroo_Ralph: We need a cure for TDS.


Well step one is to stop watching Fox News.
 
2020-05-22 11:02:06 PM  

Sgt Otter: Well, I can't say I recall  Bush encouraging the Armed Thug cohort of his supporters to demand that their governors force service industry workers back into Tower Two or into the flooded Ninth Ward.


How many people have died in Iraq since Bush let Cheney off the chain?
 
2020-05-22 11:07:19 PM  

thehobbes: mofa: This reminds me of the national shared grief that accompanied the 2975 dead Americans in Puerto Rico. I remember the memorial services, the flags flown at half mast, how Elvis returned from Beta Draconis for that benefit concert...

you mean 16 deaths right?

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From Wikipedia:

Death toll

The official number of Hurricane Maria-related deaths as reported by the government of Puerto Rico was 64. The Commonwealth commissioned George Washington University to assess the death toll.[161] An academic study based on household surveys and reported in the New England Journal of Medicine estimated that the number of hurricane-related deaths during the period September 20, 2017 to December 31, 2017 was around 4,600 (range 793-8,498)[162] On August 28, Governor Rosselló acknowledged the results of the George Washington University study and revised the island's official death toll to 2,975 people. Rosselló described the effects of the hurricane as "unprecedented devastation".[163]


Not sure where you got 25.  It certainly wasn't Wikipedia.
 
2020-05-22 11:08:23 PM  
Trump:  "Yeah, some old lady died.  God bless, she'll be missed, blah blah blah.  Hey, most of you are young and if you're healthy you'll probably be okay.  You'll just go through a little process.  So stop worrying, you probably won't die.  Anyway, I've got a lunch to get to, those hamberders won't eat themselves. I'll smell you later."
 
2020-05-22 11:10:49 PM  

TelemonianAjax: rjakobi: Yes, and those events were about the sudden loss of people within one day whereas this is a slow death over the course of months. Apples and oranges.

Look, I know you guys at the press are running out of things to write but stop getting sloppy with the false parallelisms or whatever you call them.  Stop trying to guilt us.

I don't know how to explain to you that you need to care about others.


You can't make a sociopath suddenly have empathy for others.

So don't bother trying at this point, because they won't change.
 
2020-05-22 11:18:53 PM  
Captain Chaos .. He spins everything because he's in over his head ..
 
2020-05-22 11:20:24 PM  
once trump is ousted we can totally go back to normal when things were good. like when obama was president. i love you, joe biden
 
2020-05-22 11:23:06 PM  
Rick Didn't Do 9/11
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2020-05-22 11:23:23 PM  

MrPoopyPants: Just finished this tonight, basically predicted and describes where we are now socially. Highly recommended.

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Basically white Americans don't like the fact that America is becoming more diverse and that threatens their feelings?
 
2020-05-22 11:29:17 PM  
I don't watch a lot of nightly news, but it seems to me that if the media were reporting on the deaths caused by COVID on a regular basis, people might be more aware of it.
 
2020-05-22 11:39:00 PM  

OrionXVI: thehobbes: mofa: This reminds me of the national shared grief that accompanied the 2975 dead Americans in Puerto Rico. I remember the memorial services, the flags flown at half mast, how Elvis returned from Beta Draconis for that benefit concert...

you mean 16 deaths right?

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From Wikipedia:

Death toll

The official number of Hurricane Maria-related deaths as reported by the government of Puerto Rico was 64. The Commonwealth commissioned George Washington University to assess the death toll.[161] An academic study based on household surveys and reported in the New England Journal of Medicine estimated that the number of hurricane-related deaths during the period September 20, 2017 to December 31, 2017 was around 4,600 (range 793-8,498)[162] On August 28, Governor Rosselló acknowledged the results of the George Washington University study and revised the island's official death toll to 2,975 people. Rosselló described the effects of the hurricane as "unprecedented devastation".[163]

Not sure where you got 25.  It certainly wasn't Wikipedia.


my screen grab was wiki. And making light of the undercount.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurri​c​ane_Maria_death_toll_controversy#Offic​ial_revision,_August_2018
 
2020-05-22 11:41:12 PM  
9/11... Chickens coming home to roost
Katrina... GWB don't care about black people.

I sorta remember these events a bit differently.
 
2020-05-22 11:47:52 PM  
I didn't read the article, but I agree. I have lost my empathy for Republicans. I hope that covid kills them faster than it kills humans worthy of sympathy. I hope it kills all the death cult Christians who worship Trump as their savior. Have your grifty church services. Have your Trump rallies. Congregate and spread your flat-earth, young-earth, anti-vax bullshiat. I hope covid kills you or maims you or bankrupts you and you die bewildered that your imaginary God didn't protect you like your lying preachers said.
 
2020-05-23 12:02:20 AM  

LordJiro: rjakobi: Yes, and those events were about the sudden loss of people within one day whereas this is a slow death over the course of months. Apples and oranges.

Look, I know you guys at the press are running out of things to write but stop getting sloppy with the false parallelisms or whatever you call them.  Stop trying to guilt us.

COVID-19's American death toll has routinely been more than one Katrina a day, and has approached a Pearl Harbor or even a 9/11 a day several times during the pandemic.


I need steady exponential increases to care.
 
2020-05-23 12:15:59 AM  

thehobbes: OrionXVI: thehobbes: mofa: This reminds me of the national shared grief that accompanied the 2975 dead Americans in Puerto Rico. I remember the memorial services, the flags flown at half mast, how Elvis returned from Beta Draconis for that benefit concert...

you mean 16 deaths right?

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From Wikipedia:

Death toll

The official number of Hurricane Maria-related deaths as reported by the government of Puerto Rico was 64. The Commonwealth commissioned George Washington University to assess the death toll.[161] An academic study based on household surveys and reported in the New England Journal of Medicine estimated that the number of hurricane-related deaths during the period September 20, 2017 to December 31, 2017 was around 4,600 (range 793-8,498)[162] On August 28, Governor Rosselló acknowledged the results of the George Washington University study and revised the island's official death toll to 2,975 people. Rosselló described the effects of the hurricane as "unprecedented devastation".[163]

Not sure where you got 25.  It certainly wasn't Wikipedia.

my screen grab was wiki. And making light of the undercount.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurric​ane_Maria_death_toll_controversy#Offic​ial_revision,_August_2018


Ah.  Sarcasm.  Sorry about that.  Thought it might be "alternative facts from Karen, volume 1498".  Seen a lot of it lately.  :(
 
2020-05-23 12:23:51 AM  

Kangaroo_Ralph: We need a cure for TDS.


Yes, you could delete your account
 
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