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2020-05-22 2:41:18 PM  
It's not fraudulent but it farks republicans ,so there's that. If the GOP wants to demand people risk their lives to vote then let them insist and fail, every day in every way they expose their party for what it really is and whom it really serves.
 
2020-05-22 3:47:29 PM  
My Facebook feed is packed with spittle-flecked screeds "if you can stand in line at Lowe's you can stand in line to vote!" and "Vote-By-Mail means FRAUD" and "WE THE PEOPLE do NOT want mail voting!"

Difficulty: I live in Pennsylvania where vote-by-mail is already legal, and, to heighten the irony, passed the state house with more Republican votes than Democratic (because of a last minute amendment to try and fark Philly over).
 
2020-05-22 4:24:38 PM  
They vote 100% by mail in OR and have you seen their crazy right-wing line up?
 
2020-05-22 4:24:47 PM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: My Facebook feed is packed with spittle-flecked screeds "if you can stand in line at Lowe's you can stand in line to vote!" and "Vote-By-Mail means FRAUD" and "WE THE PEOPLE do NOT want mail voting!"

Difficulty: I live in Pennsylvania where vote-by-mail is already legal, and, to heighten the irony, passed the state house with more Republican votes than Democratic (because of a last minute amendment to try and fark Philly over).


And let me guess.

They all started spouting these thoughts since the beginning of this week and probably didn't think much about it prior to that?

And yet they call you a "sheep" because you wore a mask to Costco?
 
2020-05-22 4:26:00 PM  
I just tell the Trumpees that I will be happily and safely voting by mail, straight Democratic ticket. It usually gets the typical spittle-fleck response.
 
2020-05-22 4:26:24 PM  

J.R. 'Bob' Chinaski: They vote 100% by mail in OR and have you seen their crazy right-wing line up?


There are voting booths in Bird Sanctuaries.
 
2020-05-22 4:31:08 PM  
I'd imagine word has reached Trump that it's a lot harder for his comrades to hack paper ballots from the safety of their tracksuits and mattresses on the floor in Moscow.
 
2020-05-22 4:31:39 PM  
At this point, being afraid of voting by mail is as stupid as being afraid of door plumbing.
 
2020-05-22 4:33:43 PM  
Like most things, its only fraudulent when democrats do it.
 
2020-05-22 4:34:12 PM  
WA has VBM but I still require valid I.D for everyone in the house just to make sure.
 
2020-05-22 4:35:10 PM  
I've heard about the evils of voting by mail from my cousin who does so every year because of work. But you see that's absentee ballot voting and not vote by mail voting or something. I'm sure they also love the ACA requirements for preexisting conditions, but not Obamacare.
 
2020-05-22 4:35:15 PM  
Those brave troops in Afghanistan died for my right to vote and their right to mail in their votes
 
2020-05-22 4:36:58 PM  
This just in guys. They all know it's BS. Trump knows it BS.  They just come up with a BS reasoning because they think it will hurt democrats.
 
2020-05-22 4:38:00 PM  
Just because Republicans have been clearly in favor of vote by mail doesn't mean they will have any problems agreeing with Trump and opposing it.
 
2020-05-22 4:38:38 PM  

J.R. 'Bob' Chinaski: They vote 100% by mail in OR and have you seen their crazy right-wing line up?


Oregon is a blue state
 
2020-05-22 4:39:34 PM  
It's simply Trump trying to delegitimize the election so if he loses, he can scream fraud and move to take over permanently.
 
2020-05-22 4:39:47 PM  

The Dog Ate My Homework: At this point, being afraid of voting by mail is as stupid as being afraid of door plumbing.


Well, have you ever had your door clogged? shiat sucks.
 
2020-05-22 4:40:27 PM  
I had an argument with a Quora user yesterday about this.

Basically, they just drop the bomb that "mail in voting is just ripe for fraud", but supply no evidence to back that up, or even any sort of reasoning.

My thinking is that you have a stack of papers that are postmarked and filled out.  They cannot be forged.  There is a literal paper trail ready for a recount if necessary.

The response was, "We've heard reports of 1000's of votes appearing out of nowhere."

Really?  I've never heard of that.  Especially since, like I said, the stack of papers is RIGHT THERE for you to check.

Look...  I know why the GOP is trying so hard to stop this from happening.  But it seems to me that mail in ballots may actually be the MOST secure and most reliable to verify method that there is.  And maybe WE need to say that a little louder.
 
2020-05-22 4:43:21 PM  
Now that the head of the GOP has come out against states rights, he could just force the governors to scrap voting by mail, just like he can force them to open churches!
 
2020-05-22 4:43:47 PM  
You vote by mail. The same way you pay your credit card bills, your mortgage, your car bill, rent, speeding tickets, insurance, your cable bill, etc. If you pay on line, okay, but paying by mail was the norm up until recently. It's secure, it is reliable, it's cheap, and it's protected by federal law. So go ahead and vote by mail.
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2020-05-22 4:43:59 PM  

The Dog Ate My Homework: At this point, being afraid of voting by mail is as stupid as being afraid of door plumbing.


Is your door a toilet? Is that a thing in Colorado?

I'm just asking questions. Oh, maybe it's just a sink.
 
2020-05-22 4:45:06 PM  

durbnpoisn: I had an argument with a Quora user yesterday about this.

Basically, they just drop the bomb that "mail in voting is just ripe for fraud", but supply no evidence to back that up, or even any sort of reasoning.

My thinking is that you have a stack of papers that are postmarked and filled out.  They cannot be forged.  There is a literal paper trail ready for a recount if necessary.

The response was, "We've heard reports of 1000's of votes appearing out of nowhere."

Really?  I've never heard of that.  Especially since, like I said, the stack of papers is RIGHT THERE for you to check.

Look...  I know why the GOP is trying so hard to stop this from happening.  But it seems to me that mail in ballots may actually be the MOST secure and most reliable to verify method that there is.  And maybe WE need to say that a little louder.


Everything in your post is good except the fact that you wasted your time arguing with a Quora user.  I mean, not that arguing with a Fark or Disqus user is much better, but Quora seems like the scratch-n-dent bin of humanity.
 
2020-05-22 4:45:19 PM  
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2020-05-22 4:45:48 PM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: My Facebook feed is packed with spittle-flecked screeds "if you can stand in line at Lowe's you can stand in line to vote!" and "Vote-By-Mail means FRAUD" and "WE THE PEOPLE do NOT want mail voting!"

Difficulty: I live in Pennsylvania where vote-by-mail is already legal, and, to heighten the irony, passed the state house with more Republican votes than Democratic (because of a last minute amendment to try and fark Philly over).


I'm thinking there may be some Russian trolls spreading that.  It popped up about a week and a half ago and is suddenly everywhere on my Facebook feed.  And it seems like the kind of thing Russia would troll about, just to stir up divisiveness.

Kansas, you can vote early without having to give a reason.  I'm thinking the early vote period is 10 days but you have to go to the courthouse to do it.  Not sure on mail ballots, but they did them for the Dem presidential primary, so I'm guessing they will allow it for the general as well
 
2020-05-22 4:46:10 PM  

durbnpoisn: I had an argument with a Quora user yesterday about this.

Basically, they just drop the bomb that "mail in voting is just ripe for fraud", but supply no evidence to back that up, or even any sort of reasoning.

My thinking is that you have a stack of papers that are postmarked and filled out.  They cannot be forged.  There is a literal paper trail ready for a recount if necessary.

The response was, "We've heard reports of 1000's of votes appearing out of nowhere."

Really?  I've never heard of that.  Especially since, like I said, the stack of papers is RIGHT THERE for you to check.

Look...  I know why the GOP is trying so hard to stop this from happening.  But it seems to me that mail in ballots may actually be the MOST secure and most reliable to verify method that there is.  And maybe WE need to say that a little louder.


Did you then backhand biatch slap a Netscape user having already dispatched an AOLer by shoving a "free 50 hour" CD up their ass?
 
2020-05-22 4:46:33 PM  
it's a free for all. he just says whatever he wants to say, knowing his base will support it. it doesn't have to contain facts. it can be a crazy conspiracy theory. I just read a piece that says he's directing states to open places of worship (wink, wink - Christian churches) as essential. States are telling him to fark off. He knows he doesn't have the authority to do that, but he does it anyway because he knows his base will eat it up. The POS is trying to start a war or at least so much unrest that the system reboots in their favor.
Please vote. It's important to remember on election day that it was, and is, the Republican Senate that's allowing this to go on. They've had the authority to end this shiatshow for a dozen valid reasons. But they did nothing. We need a purge. No matter what, the next 4.5 years are going to be very rocky for us.
 
2020-05-22 4:48:52 PM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: My Facebook feed is packed with spittle-flecked screeds "if you can stand in line at Lowe's you can stand in line to vote!" and "Vote-By-Mail means FRAUD" and "WE THE PEOPLE do NOT want mail voting!"

Difficulty: I live in Pennsylvania where vote-by-mail is already legal, and, to heighten the irony, passed the state house with more Republican votes than Democratic (because of a last minute amendment to try and fark Philly over).


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I spotted this one yesterday.
 
2020-05-22 4:49:09 PM  
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2020-05-22 4:49:32 PM  

desertratt: J.R. 'Bob' Chinaski: They vote 100% by mail in OR and have you seen their crazy right-wing line up?

Oregon is a blue state


which proves mail in voting works. Without it, they would be a red state. The margin is pretty slim to keep them blue. Remember when Trump said he was going to unmask all the illegal voting? They shut down that initiative when the only cheating they could find was for the R's. yeah, good times.
 
2020-05-22 4:49:40 PM  

Corvus: This just in guys. They all know it's BS. Trump knows it BS.  They just come up with a BS reasoning because they think it will hurt democrats.


It's to give Trump a reason to cry "fraud!" after he loses
 
2020-05-22 4:50:26 PM  
Not only did he vote by mail himself from Florida, but his vote was likely fraudulent.  Mar-a-Lago is not zoned for being a permanent residence, which is what he's claiming because the New Yorkers were mean to him and his hidden taxes.
 
2020-05-22 4:51:15 PM  

Mrtraveler01: Mr. Coffee Nerves: My Facebook feed is packed with spittle-flecked screeds "if you can stand in line at Lowe's you can stand in line to vote!" and "Vote-By-Mail means FRAUD" and "WE THE PEOPLE do NOT want mail voting!"

Difficulty: I live in Pennsylvania where vote-by-mail is already legal, and, to heighten the irony, passed the state house with more Republican votes than Democratic (because of a last minute amendment to try and fark Philly over).

And let me guess.

They all started spouting these thoughts since the beginning of this week and probably didn't think much about it prior to that?

And yet they call you a "sheep" because you wore a mask to Costco?


It's pretty amazing; from the outside it's gotten very easy to see when the new talking points have been issued, because the usual suspects spout them all at the same time, worded almost identically.

But I wonder if those suspects--the ones who aren't straight-up bot-trolls, anyway--realize that they are being fed this garbage at the same time? Or do they think they're discovering the "truth" independently and they've cracked this incredible case all on their own?

Or am I giving them too much credit for thinking again?
 
2020-05-22 4:51:30 PM  

phrawgh: durbnpoisn: I had an argument with a Quora user yesterday about this.

Basically, they just drop the bomb that "mail in voting is just ripe for fraud", but supply no evidence to back that up, or even any sort of reasoning.

My thinking is that you have a stack of papers that are postmarked and filled out.  They cannot be forged.  There is a literal paper trail ready for a recount if necessary.

The response was, "We've heard reports of 1000's of votes appearing out of nowhere."

Really?  I've never heard of that.  Especially since, like I said, the stack of papers is RIGHT THERE for you to check.

Look...  I know why the GOP is trying so hard to stop this from happening.  But it seems to me that mail in ballots may actually be the MOST secure and most reliable to verify method that there is.  And maybe WE need to say that a little louder.

Did you then backhand biatch slap a Netscape user having already dispatched an AOLer by shoving a "free 50 hour" CD up their ass?


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2020-05-22 4:51:49 PM  
We only allow so much $ to secure voting integrity. Or steal votes. So if you want either, would you spend your limited funds to steal one vote at a time. Or go right to the top  and steal lots of votes all at once?
 
2020-05-22 4:51:54 PM  

shastacola: It's not fraudulent but it farks republicans ,so there's that. If the GOP wants to demand people risk their lives to vote then let them insist and fail, every day in every way they expose their party for what it really is and whom it really serves.


The good news is that when they lose mail-in elections, they'll get to lie about there having been fraud.
 
2020-05-22 4:53:46 PM  

JustToLetYouKnowFriend: Mr. Coffee Nerves: My Facebook feed is packed with spittle-flecked screeds "if you can stand in line at Lowe's you can stand in line to vote!" and "Vote-By-Mail means FRAUD" and "WE THE PEOPLE do NOT want mail voting!"

Difficulty: I live in Pennsylvania where vote-by-mail is already legal, and, to heighten the irony, passed the state house with more Republican votes than Democratic (because of a last minute amendment to try and fark Philly over).

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I spotted this one yesterday.


Just to be fair, Mr.Futch isn't the sharpest. 

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2020-05-22 4:54:47 PM  

JustToLetYouKnowFriend: Mr. Coffee Nerves: My Facebook feed is packed with spittle-flecked screeds "if you can stand in line at Lowe's you can stand in line to vote!" and "Vote-By-Mail means FRAUD" and "WE THE PEOPLE do NOT want mail voting!"

Difficulty: I live in Pennsylvania where vote-by-mail is already legal, and, to heighten the irony, passed the state house with more Republican votes than Democratic (because of a last minute amendment to try and fark Philly over).

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I spotted this one yesterday.


I did, as well, from my high school friend, Tim.  Two other high school friends asked Tim repeatedly why he felt that way.   Tim could not articulate an answer.  He just "felt" that way.
 
2020-05-22 4:55:48 PM  
Once again...

Absentee Ballots were first proposed by President Abraham Lincoln in order to allow union soldiers to vote in their state elections.  Republicans embraced it and forced it through along party lines, with Wisconsin being the first state to adopt it.

We've been doing this for 150 years without any hue and cry about fraud and, to my knowledge, no state has ever voted to end it.

Then Trump the Ignoramus throws a tantrum and the low education Republican parrots start repeating the lies.
 
2020-05-22 4:57:54 PM  

durbnpoisn: I had an argument with a Quora user yesterday about this.

Basically, they just drop the bomb that "mail in voting is just ripe for fraud", but supply no evidence to back that up, or even any sort of reasoning.

My thinking is that you have a stack of papers that are postmarked and filled out.  They cannot be forged.  There is a literal paper trail ready for a recount if necessary.

The response was, "We've heard reports of 1000's of votes appearing out of nowhere."

Really?  I've never heard of that.  Especially since, like I said, the stack of papers is RIGHT THERE for you to check.

Look...  I know why the GOP is trying so hard to stop this from happening.  But it seems to me that mail in ballots may actually be the MOST secure and most reliable to verify method that there is.  And maybe WE need to say that a little louder.


Didn't Trump himself look into election fraud after 2016 and came up with absolutely nothing?
 
2020-05-22 4:58:40 PM  
Pretty fair article that presents some of the obstacles to VBM. I am all for it, by the way, but I think some rush into it without realizing that an entire country of ~130 million doing VBM may have a few wrinkles that need ironed out.

AFTER ELECTION FRAUD IN NORTH CAROLINA, CAN WE TRUST VOTE-BY-MAIL BALLOTS?

As more and more states consider VBM, they must be wary of the security lapses that plagued the program in North Carolina. According to Patrick, the issue there, counterintuitively, wasn't that the state had too few protections, but that it had too many. The state required either two witness signatures or a notarization and allowed only a close relative to return the ballot in-person, all while having too few drop-off locations.

"What's really secure is if the voter has control over how that ballot gets returned and has options in how it gets returned," Patrick says. "So, if those ballots had been pre-paid"-North Carolinians must buy their own stamps to vote absentee-"the voters wouldn't have needed to hand it over to somebody."

Instead of making voting easier on the voters, the North Carolina legislature is currently considering a bill that would require boards of elections to better track who is requesting absentee ballot forms, make it a misdemeanor to pay someone for collecting such forms, and fund the State Board of Elections to hire three investigators and two data analysts. According to a poll worker in Robeson County, part of North Carolina's Ninth Congressional District, the board of elections there is already keeping more thorough logs and paying greater attention to voter signatures.
 
2020-05-22 4:58:51 PM  
I've been voting by mail in Arizona for years.
 
2020-05-22 4:59:52 PM  

CaptainFatass: Or am I giving them too much credit for thinking again?


Had a right wing foaf (who kept insisting that he isn't a far right winger) repeating nonsense about voter fraud and frothing at the mouth about it.  Three posts earlier he was also claiming that COVID is a lie, the number of deaths is massively inflated and hospitals are being paid to falsely report it.

Like, DUDE.  You're literally repeating bullshiat right wing talking points.  Don't lie to my face and tell me you're not a right winger.
 
2020-05-22 5:01:56 PM  
I haven't heard every case of it, but of the cases of"rampant voter fraud" that I'm aware of, almost all have been committed by Republicans.

Every accusation is an admission.
 
2020-05-22 5:05:36 PM  

desertratt: J.R. 'Bob' Chinaski: They vote 100% by mail in OR and have you seen their crazy right-wing line up?

Oregon is a blue state


======================================​==

Portland has nazi rallies almost every week and their republicans literally skip town (multiple times!) so legislation can't be voted on.

The point is the right-wingers there may be a minority but they are NUTS.
 
2020-05-22 5:06:26 PM  

CthulhuCalling: I haven't heard every case of it, but of the cases of"rampant voter fraud" that I'm aware of, almost all have been committed by Republicans.

Every accusation is an admission.


worth a read, if you have 5 minutes. It's a piece detailing how their "voter fraud" investigation went.
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics​/​politics-features/kris-kobach-donald-t​rump-voter-fraud-myths-vote-suppressio​n-990300/
 
2020-05-22 5:07:11 PM  

Nonrepeating Rotating Binary: CaptainFatass: Or am I giving them too much credit for thinking again?

Had a right wing foaf (who kept insisting that he isn't a far right winger) repeating nonsense about voter fraud and frothing at the mouth about it.  Three posts earlier he was also claiming that COVID is a lie, the number of deaths is massively inflated and hospitals are being paid to falsely report it.

Like, DUDE.  You're literally repeating bullshiat right wing talking points.  Don't lie to my face and tell me you're not a right winger.


Oh, believe me--I have several acquaintances who posts this stuff, and none of them consider themselves Republican. They often insist that they are anti-Trump, and I suspect they might believe they are. But try to point out to them that every one of the talking points they're spouting work to Trump and the Republicans' advantage and they don't want to know about it. They claim they are against big government overreach, while facilitating the overreachers.
 
2020-05-22 5:07:54 PM  
The main problem with his argument is that it's bullshiat.

The secondary problem is that voting by mail benefits *everyone*

Republicans have an older, less mobile base that doesn't do so well standing (at all) without a walker for hours, Democrats have a base that works several jobs and can't necessarily get time off to vote. Some notions, like making a national holiday of voting, don't really work because so many businesses would force people to work through it as a retail holiday.

Vote by mail was sort of Partisan when it started here in CO, but now it has a more than 90% approval rating amongst Coloradans, and we've got the second highest voter turnout rates in the country... both Republican and Democrat turnout improved, but much of our state is unaffiliated (like me), and that also went up for voter participation a great deal.

No, it is not "fraudulent" as some claim, nor is there no voter ID requirement... your first time voting (required), and periodically thereafter, the Secretary of State envelopes may ask for a copy of your state issued ID... it works great... additionally, you get an email/text when your ballot is mailed to you... and you get an email/text when the county office receives your ballot, so you know for sure that your ballot is coming, and you know when it is dropped off or mailed... we also have lots of places with county-owned drop-boxes, like at the library, where they're curbside, and you can drive up, drop the ballot, and drive away, without ever leaving your car.

Making voting easy, verifiable, and secure, shouldn't be controversial, and voting by mail is far more safe and secure than dodgy black-box electronic voting machines with no paper trail. Additionally, you can start counting ballots the day before voting day, that way you aren't trying to count all the ballots at once, in a hurry, and struggling with random issues like scantrons breaking down.
 
2020-05-22 5:12:14 PM  
Hear me out on this

The GOP doesn't just want, but NEEDS Trump to be gone. Most of us remember the Bush the Second Recession.

We are heading into something that will probably be worse than that.

When Obama took over, he wasn't able to "fix things" quick enough. For a lot of stupid, short sighted people, Obama was then the progenitor of the Recession... Americans have the memory of a goldfish.

Trump may want to win, and certain dummies want him to win - but no forward-seeing future grifter within the Republican Party wants him to.
 
2020-05-22 5:16:07 PM  

DarwiOdrade: I just tell the Trumpees that I will be happily and safely voting by mail, straight Democratic ticket. It usually gets the typical spittle-fleck response.


I hope you're wearing a mask when you tell them that.
 
2020-05-22 5:18:26 PM  

chewd: Like most things, its only fraudulent when democrats do it.


One occurrence of voting fraud in Oregon in the 16 years I've been here.  I say "voting" vs "voter" because a vote counter modified a ballot, while being video recorded.  She said that the voter had missed a couple races and she was just helping.

R or D?

Need you ask?

Sure voting by mail makes it easier for inner city (aka browns) to vote, but it also makes it easier for the rural and elderly.  Basically a wash.  Fighting voting-by-mail is mostly a screen to divert attention from the voter registration purge, which does benefit the Republicans.
 
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