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2020-05-22 5:03:54 PM  
Finally, a voter fraud case for Trump to trumpet.
 
2020-05-22 8:47:26 PM  
We're never going to hear the farking end of it, despite the fact that the voter fraud they're bleating about to be racist has nothing to do with the case.
 
2020-05-22 8:47:54 PM  

edmo: Finally, a voter fraud case for Trump to trumpet.


Just wait, he'll be going on about this for weeks.
 
2020-05-22 8:49:31 PM  
Don't plead guilty. Blame it on witches or a highschool mascot.
 
2020-05-22 8:51:24 PM  
"DeMuro fraudulently stuffed the ballot box by literally standing in a voting booth and voting over and over, as fast as he could, while he thought the coast was clear ."

Sounds like a problem that could be solved with more mail-in ballot voting.
 
2020-05-22 8:55:44 PM  

edmo: Finally, a voter fraud case for Trump to trumpet.


My Trumper friend pounced on that one yesterday and sent it to me in the form of a Breitbart link.
 
2020-05-22 8:56:41 PM  
And also, a guy standing in a voting booth repeatedly voting via the machine is going to be proof, PROOF that mail-in voting is fraught with fraud.
 
2020-05-22 8:58:39 PM  
I think the only thing that surprised me was just how dirt cheap these votes cost to end up in prison and disbarred and end your career.
 
2020-05-22 8:59:09 PM  

GoldSpider: And also, a guy standing in a voting booth repeatedly voting via the machine is going to be proof, PROOF that mail-in voting is fraught with fraud.


I'm sure photo ID requirements would have stopped him.
 
2020-05-22 8:59:41 PM  
What the hell kind of voting... method?... is this, where you can cast more than one ballot?
 
2020-05-22 9:02:15 PM  
Since he admits it, we can do away with my usual "after a fair trial".  The punishment for this should be the corrupt judge should be strapped to a table and the people who paid him off and the politicians who benefitted should be locked in a concrete room with him.  The doors are not to open again until the corrupt judge is fully consumed, except for the bones.  But the large bones have to be broken open and the marrow sucked out.  Each person at the feast may have 10 fast food packets of mustard to add a little flavor.  If they choose to not consume the corrupt judge, they starve to death.

And the whole feast must be streamed on YouTube in 4k, of course.

This judge made a mockery of democracy and the only solvent that can dissolve this stain is blood.
 
2020-05-22 9:02:33 PM  
I'm sure the GOP will be chomping at the bit to implement stronger oversight for election officials now, right?
 
2020-05-22 9:02:42 PM  

edmo: Finally, a voter fraud case for Trump to trumpet.


This is the first thing I thought of.  Trumpers will use this as an excuse for any manner of voter disenfranchisement farkery.  Jesus farking christ.
 
2020-05-22 9:04:58 PM  

Screaming Candle: edmo: Finally, a voter fraud case for Trump to trumpet.

This is the first thing I thought of.  Trumpers will use this as an excuse for any manner of voter disenfranchisement farkery.  Jesus farking christ.


Except this an example of voter fraud at the polling booth, not by mail.
 
2020-05-22 9:07:03 PM  

skozlaw: "DeMuro fraudulently stuffed the ballot box by literally standing in a voting booth and voting over and over, as fast as he could, while he thought the coast was clear ."

Sounds like a problem that could be solved with more mail-in ballot voting.


Actually, yes, since each mail-in ballot corresponds to a real person whose name appears on the security envelope.

Also, this is only nominally the kind of voter fraud Republicans imagine is rampant. It's an election official, not a bunch of skeery Mexican-lookin' people who shouldn't even be here in the first place; they should be pickin' our strawberries like the Constitution sez.
 
2020-05-22 9:07:21 PM  
Sometimes? More like ALL THE TIME.

Subby, do you know how many stupid ass people who vote are manipulated by ads? Most people.

Democracy doesnt work when the majority of people cant make their own minds on something by studying an issue and just believe whatever the fark the medias and the ads tell them to believe.

If people studied things out, america wouldnt be the third world shiathole it is right now
 
2020-05-22 9:08:25 PM  
Casting more votes than there are registered voters in your precinct is kind of a dead giveaway.
 
2020-05-22 9:09:47 PM  

LordJiro: I'm sure the GOP will be chomping at the bit to implement stronger oversight for election officials now, right?


They'll figure out a way to only make it apply to democrats.
 
2020-05-22 9:10:21 PM  

RagnarD: Screaming Candle: edmo: Finally, a voter fraud case for Trump to trumpet.

This is the first thing I thought of.  Trumpers will use this as an excuse for any manner of voter disenfranchisement farkery.  Jesus farking christ.

Except this an example of voter fraud at the polling booth, not by mail.


It's also done in a way that wouldn't have been prevented with voter ID. Not that it'll stop Republicans from using it as an excuse to push disenfranchising bullshiat that wouldn't have stopped it.

What MIGHT have stopped it is stronger oversight of election officials...something Republicans sure as shiat don't want since that's where they do most of their fraud. See: Florida in 2000, Wisconsin in 2011, Georgia in 2018, etc.
 
2020-05-22 9:10:40 PM  
FTFA "And he admitted violating the Travel Act, which forbids the use of a cell phone to promote illegal activity."

Do you think Trump might have used a cell-phone to conduct any of his treason?  Someone should look into that.
 
2020-05-22 9:12:27 PM  
"a history of more votes being cast on machines than the number of voters who signed poll books"
He's a genius, obviously. But I wonder how easy this is and how many other people have done it.
Thankfully this didn't involve voting by mail, or Republicans would be yapping about that nonstop.
 
2020-05-22 9:14:59 PM  

Smelly Pirate Hooker: "a history of more votes being cast on machines than the number of voters who signed poll books"
He's a genius, obviously. But I wonder how easy this is and how many other people have done it.
Thankfully this didn't involve voting by mail, or Republicans would be yapping about that nonstop.


When there are no Republicans at the polling station to challenge anything and audit after things close, this is what you get.

Someone needs to insure honesty.  Hell, in that part of town, Obama got more votes than registered voters in both 2008 and 2012.
 
2020-05-22 9:15:01 PM  

edmo: Finally, a voter fraud case for Trump to trumpet.


That's not voter fraud, it's election fraud. Voter fraud is almost entirely made up.
 
2020-05-22 9:15:45 PM  

skozlaw: "DeMuro fraudulently stuffed the ballot box by literally standing in a voting booth and voting over and over, as fast as he could, while he thought the coast was clear ."

Sounds like a problem that could be solved with more mail-in ballot voting.


Yep. Pretty much. This isn't dead people voting or illegals voting. It's not a vote-by-mail situation, and VBM would have definitely bypassed this..

Then again, someone just as crooked could fark up all of the VBM stuff, it's just a change in how he farks with the system. So once again, voting by mail is not the problem here...

But Donnie will use this as some kind of excuse. And be totally wrong...
 
2020-05-22 9:17:28 PM  

Seabon: edmo: Finally, a voter fraud case for Trump to trumpet.

That's not voter fraud, it's election fraud. Voter fraud is almost entirely made up.


There has been voter fraud in that part of town also.  One of the nurses at a nursing home registered and voted for all the residents.. she eventually got caught.  We are talking Philly levels of corruption which gives Chicago levels of corruption a run for its money.
 
2020-05-22 9:18:25 PM  

edmo: Finally, a voter fraud case for Trump to trumpet.


Except it isn't voter fraud, it's election fraud, and in person voting would not prevent it.
 
2020-05-22 9:32:53 PM  

dwrash: Smelly Pirate Hooker: "a history of more votes being cast on machines than the number of voters who signed poll books"
He's a genius, obviously. But I wonder how easy this is and how many other people have done it.
Thankfully this didn't involve voting by mail, or Republicans would be yapping about that nonstop.

When there are no Republicans at the polling station to challenge anything and audit after things close, this is what you get.

Someone needs to insure honesty.  Hell, in that part of town, Obama got more votes than registered voters in both 2008 and 2012.


This Republican "candidate" should be in jail along with this operatives.


https://www.npr.org/2019/07/30/746800​6​30/north-carolina-gop-operative-faces-​new-felony-charges-that-allege-ballot-​fraud
 
2020-05-22 9:34:46 PM  

theflatline: dwrash: Smelly Pirate Hooker: "a history of more votes being cast on machines than the number of voters who signed poll books"
He's a genius, obviously. But I wonder how easy this is and how many other people have done it.
Thankfully this didn't involve voting by mail, or Republicans would be yapping about that nonstop.

When there are no Republicans at the polling station to challenge anything and audit after things close, this is what you get.

Someone needs to insure honesty.  Hell, in that part of town, Obama got more votes than registered voters in both 2008 and 2012.

This Republican "candidate" should be in jail along with this operatives.


https://www.npr.org/2019/07/30/7468006​30/north-carolina-gop-operative-faces-​new-felony-charges-that-allege-ballot-​fraud


Agreed...and voting rights revoked for life.
 
2020-05-22 9:42:33 PM  
As has been noted, this is election fraud rather than voter fraud. A nuance that will be lost on Trump and his intellectual equals.

As a precinct chair for a decade or so, I'm confused as to how this was possible. Michigan ballots are individually numbered and each is issued to a single voter by means of an electronic pollbook. Show up, show ID (or sign an affidavit attesting that you don't have ID but are who you say you are), get issued a ballot number specific to you. If the ballot totals don't match at the end of the day, there's trouble.

You can't just... fill out a bunch of ballots and run them through the tabulator. I mean, you COULD. But your count would never be accepted at the end of the day and you'd spend a LOT of time trying to justify what happened to the clerk. And then probably the police. Because... felony.

Maybe Philly is running a slipshod operation where you can just write down a name on a piece of paper and sign an X under it.
 
2020-05-22 9:45:08 PM  

PoweredByIrony: As has been noted, this is election fraud rather than voter fraud. A nuance that will be lost on Trump and his intellectual equals.

As a precinct chair for a decade or so, I'm confused as to how this was possible. Michigan ballots are individually numbered and each is issued to a single voter by means of an electronic pollbook. Show up, show ID (or sign an affidavit attesting that you don't have ID but are who you say you are), get issued a ballot number specific to you. If the ballot totals don't match at the end of the day, there's trouble.

You can't just... fill out a bunch of ballots and run them through the tabulator. I mean, you COULD. But your count would never be accepted at the end of the day and you'd spend a LOT of time trying to justify what happened to the clerk. And then probably the police. Because... felony.

Maybe Philly is running a slipshod operation where you can just write down a name on a piece of paper and sign an X under it.


One thing is for sure, it's part of the Obama crimes, and directly solved only by allowing every bit of voter suppression the GOP ever dreamed of.

And we'll hear about it until the day we die.
 
2020-05-22 9:50:07 PM  

PoweredByIrony: As has been noted, this is election fraud rather than voter fraud. A nuance that will be lost on Trump and his intellectual equals.

As a precinct chair for a decade or so, I'm confused as to how this was possible. Michigan ballots are individually numbered and each is issued to a single voter by means of an electronic pollbook. Show up, show ID (or sign an affidavit attesting that you don't have ID but are who you say you are), get issued a ballot number specific to you. If the ballot totals don't match at the end of the day, there's trouble.

You can't just... fill out a bunch of ballots and run them through the tabulator. I mean, you COULD. But your count would never be accepted at the end of the day and you'd spend a LOT of time trying to justify what happened to the clerk. And then probably the police. Because... felony.

Maybe Philly is running a slipshod operation where you can just write down a name on a piece of paper and sign an X under it.


Someone would also need access to the registration book with the signatures and do a lot of forging, or just report a bogus number of signatures.
 
2020-05-22 9:50:40 PM  
So they finally found one despite voting fraud cases trend towards Republicans.
 
2020-05-22 9:51:15 PM  
Well ya seditious piece of shiat, I hope twenty fraudulent electronic votes was worth the destruction of your career, jail, disbarrment and having a felony record.

Pro tip: don't keep doing it until you get caught, idiot...
 
2020-05-22 9:52:20 PM  
Al Schmidt, vice chairman of the Office of Philadelphia City Commissioners, which runs elections, said his office found that DeMuro's 36th Division had a history of more votes being cast on machines than the number of voters who signed poll books. His said his office referred the division's troubling vote numbers from 2014 and 2015 to the Philadelphia District Attorney's Office.

This type of election fraud is so easily detected, it's hard to understand how anyone could think they could get away with it.  Throw the entire library at him so no one tries it again.
 
2020-05-22 9:54:22 PM  

theflatline: dwrash: Smelly Pirate Hooker: "a history of more votes being cast on machines than the number of voters who signed poll books"
He's a genius, obviously. But I wonder how easy this is and how many other people have done it.
Thankfully this didn't involve voting by mail, or Republicans would be yapping about that nonstop.

When there are no Republicans at the polling station to challenge anything and audit after things close, this is what you get.

Someone needs to insure honesty.  Hell, in that part of town, Obama got more votes than registered voters in both 2008 and 2012.

This Republican "candidate" should be in jail along with this operatives.


https://www.npr.org/2019/07/30/7468006​30/north-carolina-gop-operative-faces-​new-felony-charges-that-allege-ballot-​fraud


So...both sides are bad?
 
2020-05-22 9:55:25 PM  
Of the city's 1,703 voting divisions, Schmidt said, the Commissioners Office flags voting irregularities in about six divisions in each election and refers them to law enforcement.
"We take election integrity seriously. That's why we've been referring these cases since I first came into office in 2012," he said.
DeMuro, who pleaded guilty in March in a sealed proceeding before U.S. District Judge Paul S. Diamond, faces up to 15 years in federal prison when sentenced June 30.


Give him the full 15.  What a idiot, the crime is easy to detect, and he made how much, a few thousands?
 
2020-05-22 10:00:14 PM  

RyogaM: Of the city's 1,703 voting divisions, Schmidt said, the Commissioners Office flags voting irregularities in about six divisions in each election and refers them to law enforcement.
"We take election integrity seriously. That's why we've been referring these cases since I first came into office in 2012," he said.
DeMuro, who pleaded guilty in March in a sealed proceeding before U.S. District Judge Paul S. Diamond, faces up to 15 years in federal prison when sentenced June 30.

Give him the full 15.  What a idiot, the crime is easy to detect, and he made how much, a few thousands?


The federal government keeps a database of shiatbag employees fired from my department.
The details are like that every time. People risking their careers and freedom for hundreds or mere thousands.

And the honeypots? Maybe they are ugly because actually hotties would be easy to spot, because guys are cheating on wives with 4s and giving away info.

It's crazy.
 
2020-05-22 10:00:16 PM  

dwrash: PoweredByIrony: As has been noted, this is election fraud rather than voter fraud. A nuance that will be lost on Trump and his intellectual equals.

As a precinct chair for a decade or so, I'm confused as to how this was possible. Michigan ballots are individually numbered and each is issued to a single voter by means of an electronic pollbook. Show up, show ID (or sign an affidavit attesting that you don't have ID but are who you say you are), get issued a ballot number specific to you. If the ballot totals don't match at the end of the day, there's trouble.

You can't just... fill out a bunch of ballots and run them through the tabulator. I mean, you COULD. But your count would never be accepted at the end of the day and you'd spend a LOT of time trying to justify what happened to the clerk. And then probably the police. Because... felony.

Maybe Philly is running a slipshod operation where you can just write down a name on a piece of paper and sign an X under it.

Someone would also need access to the registration book with the signatures and do a lot of forging, or just report a bogus number of signatures.


Is that how it works in Philly? A paper pollbook with voter signatures?
 
2020-05-22 10:02:34 PM  
Ugh. More fuel for the both sides crowd. Great.
 
2020-05-22 10:02:56 PM  

PoweredByIrony: dwrash: PoweredByIrony: As has been noted, this is election fraud rather than voter fraud. A nuance that will be lost on Trump and his intellectual equals.

As a precinct chair for a decade or so, I'm confused as to how this was possible. Michigan ballots are individually numbered and each is issued to a single voter by means of an electronic pollbook. Show up, show ID (or sign an affidavit attesting that you don't have ID but are who you say you are), get issued a ballot number specific to you. If the ballot totals don't match at the end of the day, there's trouble.

You can't just... fill out a bunch of ballots and run them through the tabulator. I mean, you COULD. But your count would never be accepted at the end of the day and you'd spend a LOT of time trying to justify what happened to the clerk. And then probably the police. Because... felony.

Maybe Philly is running a slipshod operation where you can just write down a name on a piece of paper and sign an X under it.

Someone would also need access to the registration book with the signatures and do a lot of forging, or just report a bogus number of signatures.

Is that how it works in Philly? A paper pollbook with voter signatures?


I assume it's the same as montgomery county.. voting is fairly uniform state wide.
 
2020-05-22 10:05:51 PM  

dwrash: PoweredByIrony: dwrash: PoweredByIrony: As has been noted, this is election fraud rather than voter fraud. A nuance that will be lost on Trump and his intellectual equals.

As a precinct chair for a decade or so, I'm confused as to how this was possible. Michigan ballots are individually numbered and each is issued to a single voter by means of an electronic pollbook. Show up, show ID (or sign an affidavit attesting that you don't have ID but are who you say you are), get issued a ballot number specific to you. If the ballot totals don't match at the end of the day, there's trouble.

You can't just... fill out a bunch of ballots and run them through the tabulator. I mean, you COULD. But your count would never be accepted at the end of the day and you'd spend a LOT of time trying to justify what happened to the clerk. And then probably the police. Because... felony.

Maybe Philly is running a slipshod operation where you can just write down a name on a piece of paper and sign an X under it.

Someone would also need access to the registration book with the signatures and do a lot of forging, or just report a bogus number of signatures.

Is that how it works in Philly? A paper pollbook with voter signatures?

I assume it's the same as montgomery county.. voting is fairly uniform state wide.


The new system they installed for thg he last election is horrid.  Instead of pushing buttons that light up on selection and pulling a lever.. it's back to the 70s style darken the dot and you run it through a scanner.. the number of false reads resulting in having to feed your form through multiple times is a pain.. and the write in process is a mystery.
 
2020-05-22 10:07:14 PM  
Politicians cheat. News at 11.

Republicans cheat; Democrats cheat. The difference: Democrats do it in the stupidest single-use ways and get caught while Republicans do it in the most insidious ways with years of repercussions from voter disenfranchisement.

Bleh.
 
2020-05-22 10:58:12 PM  
I find the lack of a crime by the lobbyist to be alarming.
 
2020-05-22 11:58:09 PM  

ItsMyNameYouCantHaveIt: edmo: Finally, a voter fraud case for Trump to trumpet.

Just wait, he'll be going on about this for weeks.


Probably, but just the same, farking with an election should be a felony worth at least 20 years in prison. Of course the corollary law is that gerrymandering electoral districts should be a felony worth at least 10 years in prison.
 
2020-05-23 1:04:25 AM  

skozlaw: "DeMuro fraudulently stuffed the ballot box by literally standing in a voting booth and voting over and over, as fast as he could, while he thought the coast was clear ."

Sounds like a problem that could be solved with more mail-in ballot voting.


All he'd have to do is slip a ballot in the pile when no one is looking. It would accomplish the same result.

Security is about patching holes and not creating more exploits.
 
2020-05-23 1:50:24 AM  

wandererobtm101: Ugh. More fuel for the both sides crowd. Great.


Not really.  I don't see anybody whining about how this is a fake news witch hoax and how he's been treated so unfairly, so there's a clear difference between the way Republicans and Democrats handle lawbreakers.  Of course the "both sides" people will be intentionally blind to this fact because like every other fact it's inconvenient for the case they're trying to make.
 
2020-05-23 1:51:01 AM  

ItsMyNameYouCantHaveIt: edmo: Finally, a voter fraud case for Trump to trumpet.

Just wait, he'll be going on about this for weeks.


Weeks?

Every anti-vaxxer will take the eventual COVID-19 vaccine before President Tweety will ever shut up about it.

It will be on his headstone.
 
2020-05-23 1:58:44 AM  

inglixthemad: ItsMyNameYouCantHaveIt: edmo: Finally, a voter fraud case for Trump to trumpet.

Just wait, he'll be going on about this for weeks.

Probably, but just the same, farking with an election should be a felony worth at least 20 years in prison. Of course the corollary law is that gerrymandering electoral districts should be a felony worth at least 10 years in prison.


Farking with an election farms with the very foundations of democracy.  The punishment should be death by cannibalism.  We need the punishment for farking with elections, especially when the "person" doing it knows it is wrong and is a judge, to be as horrific as possible.  This "judge" didn't fear punishment for his crimes more than the paltry money he took as a bribe.  The punishment needs to scare people more than a bribe of thousands or even millions of dollars.

The "judge" should be strapped to a table and fed his own body parts, least essential first so he lasts as long as possible.  Then when essential organs and parts are all that is left, his bribers and the politicians that profited from the fraud should be forced to eat the rest of him.  Including sucking the marrow from the bones.

In the future the punishment should be identical, but the brain scan downloaded into a virtual environment and the virtual consciousness of the fraud should be tortured in solitary confinement for trillions of years.  And the consciousness should experience time in fast forward so they experience the torture for quadrillions of years.  Never experiencing another person.  Just quadrillions of years of solitary torture.  With the programming of the environment disallowing suicide or zoning out.  Pure hell.
 
2020-05-23 1:59:24 AM  
For those of you that point out that this did not involve mail-in ballots just think how blatant this was. Don't you think mail-in ballots would be a lot easier to fake. Hell, just think hoe many bot accounts there are out there in Twitter, Facebook, and gmail.
 
2020-05-23 2:13:19 AM  
The government in this country is a goddamn joke. This stupid shiat isn't helping.
 
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