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(CNN)   New study of 90,000 COVID patients finds those who took hydroxychloroquine were twice as likely to die, had dangerous heart complications. That sucking sound you hear is the lawyers warming up their malpractice lawsuits   (edition.cnn.com) divider line
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2020-05-22 10:37:59 AM  
Justice? In this third world dictatorship?
 
2020-05-22 10:49:01 AM  
Pleasepleasepleaseplease
 
2020-05-22 10:55:11 AM  
so, what the f*ck am I supposed to do with these 12,000 tablets the Govt. sent me?

Dear Diary,

so, I was on my way to a Trump Rally...
 
2020-05-22 10:57:32 AM  
We've cured the disease...but killed the patient. Mission Accomplished.
 
2020-05-22 11:00:22 AM  

optikeye: We've cured the disease...but killed the patient. Mission Accomplished.


Cured is cured.
 
2020-05-22 11:01:26 AM  

BizarreMan: optikeye: We've cured the disease...but killed the patient. Mission Accomplished.

Cured is cured.


mmmmmmmm Bacon
 
2020-05-22 11:02:22 AM  
Freeperland is going nuts.

"How dare you say Trump pills don't work!"
 
2020-05-22 11:06:21 AM  
"Take it, what have you got to lose"
 
2020-05-22 11:08:12 AM  
"It's not my fault. I never told anyone to take ... what's it called? Hydroxychlor... what? Never heard of it. I only mentioned that I take that Hydroxycut stuff I saw on TV."
 
2020-05-22 11:08:34 AM  
This was all part of Trump's plan.
1. Get people to take dangerous drug
2. People die from it
3. List cause of death as drug instead of COVID
4. Profit
 
2020-05-22 11:09:09 AM  
Well in one way good, as it hopefully will mean the shortages stop so those who need it can get it again, bad because it probably means my mom is that much more likely to die if she contacts it.

/Ah, who am I kidding, like Trump followers will ever hear of this study.
//Or understand it
///Or even consider it 'real news' if they did
 
2020-05-22 11:09:17 AM  
Subby, unless the lawyers are going to sue the idiots, they can't claim malpractice.  Their doctors weren't telling these idiots to tale hydrochloroquine, just the POTUS and right-wing commentators, who were being sarcastic.
 
2020-05-22 11:10:09 AM  
Those people were so sick they were going to die anyway.Nice try chicken noodle BS.
 
2020-05-22 11:11:29 AM  
The Lancet said Trump shouldn't be reelected last week, therefore they are "Trump enemies" and this story is fake news.
 
2020-05-22 11:14:01 AM  
I'm not the type to wish ill upon anyone, but this will be pretty conclusive proof of whether or not God exists, or at least whether he has any will or ability to influence human affairs.

Because if there is a benevolent, omnipotent God out there, then Trump will get sick or die from taking the crazy unproven drug -- as he thumbed his nose at science and claimed to be smarter than any doctor, encouraged his followers to take it, caused many more people to get sick & die, etc. That high-profile example of the danger of ego and the anti-science mindset will save countless lives in the future. But if nothing happens, then that's it, there is no God, case closed.
 
2020-05-22 11:14:29 AM  
Hey, isn't that what Trump is taking? :-)
 
2020-05-22 11:14:49 AM  

phalamir: Subby, unless the lawyers are going to sue the idiots, they can't claim malpractice.  Their doctors weren't telling these idiots to tale hydrochloroquine, just the POTUS and right-wing commentators, who were being sarcastic.


We're not talking about people who self-dosed here. Hydroxychloroquine was basically incorporated into the standard care, to the point that a huge fraction of all patients - everyone being treated at the VA, for instance - received it.
 
2020-05-22 11:15:45 AM  
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Trump supporters, crunch all you want, they'll make more!
 
2020-05-22 11:16:28 AM  

farkdd: This was all part of Trump's plan.
1. Get people to take dangerous drug
2. People die from it
3. List cause of death as drug instead of COVID
4. Profit


Trump has a plan?  Bless your heart.
 
2020-05-22 11:17:12 AM  
For the most part, people are stupid sheep.  Which is sad but true.

Being stupid shouldn't be a death sentence, so while you can feel free to wallow in the fact that the dead were probably "just Trump supporters" anyway, keep in mind a lot of people voted for the guy.  Probably someone you love and care about.

It's stupid, it's sad, and it's tragic.  No need to add to it.

I read an article in the Philly Inquirer today that states some medical ethicists advocate withholding medical treatment for people that go to these rallies about stay at home orders.

That really hits me as a reflection of the sad state of affairs we're in.  So who do we leave to die for their behavior next?  Smokers?  Drug addicts?  Promiscuous people who contract STD's?  People who don't wear seat belts?

"Hey, medic.  This guy plowed into a tree and hit his head on the windshield".

Fark him.  He was probably speeding anyway, and he wasn't wearing his seat belt.  He deserves to die for being a dummy.
 
2020-05-22 11:20:51 AM  
Is he a war criminal yet?
 
2020-05-22 11:22:06 AM  

I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: Justice? In this third world dictatorship?


Whatever gave you the idea that lawyers have something to do with justice?
 
2020-05-22 11:22:14 AM  
Waiting for all the red assholes from the dreamer thread to show up and spin this.
 
2020-05-22 11:22:41 AM  
Another ambulance race from the White House to hospital.  I don't think D2S would accept a mechanical heart.  He's probably demand I'm Eric or Traitor Tot to give up one of theirs.

"Well, how many hearts do they have?  Just one?  Well, take juniors."

Yeah, turns out, I'm not a match, daddy.  Neither is I'm Eric.

"Well, I can't have a chick's heart."

(Baron shuffling for the exit)
 
2020-05-22 11:25:11 AM  
I would love to see the actual study before making comments. For instance, if only critically ill elderly patients were given chloroquine because the vent maxed out, then yes these would be the results.

Its irresponsible to draw conclusions given this little information; reserve that for trump rallies.
 
2020-05-22 11:26:14 AM  
Wait, so you are telling me Dr. Drew was lying?!? My entire world view is now crushed. Next thing, you'll be trying to tell me girls on trampolines was just a marketing gimmick and they weren't actually scantily clad cheerleaders?!?
 
2020-05-22 11:26:59 AM  

dontpanic07042: Hey, isn't that what Trump is taking? :-)


And he's not infected as far as we know. He's advocating taking it as a prophylactic. Has any study even hinted that it can work to ward off the disease?
.
 
2020-05-22 11:27:20 AM  

Cdr.Murdock: Being stupid shouldn't be a death sentence


It is everywhere else in the natural world. Outside of the 1st world too.

I drew the line when I started seeing the protesters holding signs saying "sacrifice the weak", all so they could go out to eat and get haircuts. Well guess what? One of "the weak" is my better half.

I'm not going to stomp their skull when it's kissing the curb, but I sure as fark am not going to stop the guy who is.
 
2020-05-22 11:28:36 AM  
Soooo....they AREN'T dying of the 'rona, they're dying of heart failure.   Mission Accomplished?
 
2020-05-22 11:29:55 AM  

Jake Havechek: Freeperland is going nuts.

"How dare you say Trump pills don't work!"


Encourage them to take them by the handful to stick it to the libs
 
2020-05-22 11:31:49 AM  
Honestly, I'm just surprised it wasn't more deadly. This is trump after all.
 
2020-05-22 11:34:23 AM  

Jake Havechek: Freeperland is going nuts.

"How dare you say Trump pills don't work!"


I hope they double their daily dose in solidarity with Dear Leader.
 
2020-05-22 11:34:56 AM  
Sicker you are the more likely they are to give it to you
 
2020-05-22 11:37:14 AM  

distractions and diversions: I would love to see the actual study before making comments. For instance, if only critically ill elderly patients were given chloroquine because the vent maxed out, then yes these would be the results.

Its irresponsible to draw conclusions given this little information; reserve that for trump rallies.

"

Patients for whom one of the treatments of interest was initiated more than 48 h after diagnosis or while they were on mechanical ventilation, as well as patients who received remdesivir, were excluded "

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/la​n​cet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31180-6/f​ulltext

Enjoy!
 
2020-05-22 11:38:55 AM  
 
2020-05-22 11:39:06 AM  

distractions and diversions: I would love to see the actual study before making comments. For instance, if only critically ill elderly patients were given chloroquine because the vent maxed out, then yes these would be the results.


So go look at the study. The title is:
Hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine with or without a macrolide for treatment of COVID-19: a multinational registry analysis
 
2020-05-22 11:42:10 AM  
Unfortunately Trump is probably lying about taking the drug.  First he lies about everything anyway. Second, there's a financial angle. Just wait. There has to be.
 
2020-05-22 11:43:42 AM  

distractions and diversions: I would love to see the actual study before making comments. For instance, if only critically ill elderly patients were given chloroquine because the vent maxed out, then yes these would be the results.

Its irresponsible to draw conclusions given this little information; reserve that for trump rallies.


This is the digital era. If you're not just JAQing off, you can google it.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/la​n​cet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31180-6/f​ulltext

"We also excluded data from patients for whom treatment was initiated while they were on mechanical ventilation or if they were receiving therapy with the antiviral remdesivir. These specific exclusion criteria were established to avoid enrolment of patients in whom the treatment might have started at non-uniform times during the course of their COVID-19 illness and to exclude individuals for whom the drug regimen might have been used during a critical phase of illness, which could skew the interpretation of the results."

This is not 'yet another pre-press study', this is peer reviewed in one of the most prestigious journals.

/ I cringe at the British spelling of 'enrollment' with 1 L
// Too much moodle...
 
2020-05-22 11:45:54 AM  
This is a study of mostly North American hospitalized patients that relied heavily on arbitrary manipulations to normalize confounders.  Hydroxychloroquine is only effective if given early, either before exposure or within two to four days of becoming symptomatic.

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2020-05-22 11:48:14 AM  
From CNN? No thank you.
 
2020-05-22 11:48:22 AM  
I suppose, hypothetically, if you have previously had to suddenly rush off to the hospital because reasons on a weekend, maybe you would be susceptible to these effects.
 
2020-05-22 11:48:28 AM  
Western Hospitals have a bias for only using hydroxychloroquine as a Hail Mary treatment.  They give it to patients they think are going to die.  It should surprise no one that the fatality rate is higher among patients that were given hydroxychloroquine after being written off for dead.
 
2020-05-22 11:51:57 AM  

Jake Havechek: Freeperland is going nuts.

"How dare you say Trump pills don't work!"


I enjoy the freeperville response to negative reports about hydroxy...."yeah, but did they take it with zinc? Because if you don't take it with zinc, it doesn't work. Also, you have to take it early enough...like, before you start showing symptoms. That and zinc are really key!"

Remember - this drug works best with another drug if you take them both before you are sick.
 
2020-05-22 11:52:29 AM  

ocelot: Those people were so sick they were going to die anyway.Nice try chicken noodle BS.


I can't tell based on CNN's shiatty article. "Seriously ill Covid-19 patients who were treated with hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine were more likely to die or develop dangerous heart arrhythmias." More likely than who? Seriously ill patients not treated (control group referred to later)? Or all other patients? Once again, CNN drops the ball.
 
2020-05-22 11:53:42 AM  
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/repost from the Politics thread
 
2020-05-22 11:54:24 AM  

backhand.slap.of.reason: This is a study of mostly North American hospitalized patients


Show your work.
 
2020-05-22 11:55:48 AM  

Earguy: Unfortunately Trump is probably lying about taking the drug.  First he lies about everything anyway. Second, there's a financial angle. Just wait. There has to be.


I've been waiting for that to come out.  The whole chloroquine shiatshow is perfectly consistent with some close Trump associate having bought up a shiat-ton of the stuff (or production capacity for it) as soon as Raoult's study was published, assuming that they'd be able to gouge the government when demand spiked.  Now they're left with a ton of almost-garbage that they paid too much for and they're desperately trying to pump that price up.

Or it's just Trump being wrong about something trivial then doubling down over and over.  Again.  Could go either way.
 
2020-05-22 11:55:59 AM  

dusty15893: distractions and diversions: I would love to see the actual study before making comments. For instance, if only critically ill elderly patients were given chloroquine because the vent maxed out, then yes these would be the results.

Its irresponsible to draw conclusions given this little information; reserve that for trump rallies.

"Patients for whom one of the treatments of interest was initiated more than 48 h after diagnosis or while they were on mechanical ventilation, as well as patients who received remdesivir, were excluded "

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lan​cet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31180-6/f​ulltext

Enjoy!


Thanks for posting this!
 
2020-05-22 11:56:30 AM  

dusty15893: distractions and diversions: I would love to see the actual study before making comments. For instance, if only critically ill elderly patients were given chloroquine because the vent maxed out, then yes these would be the results.

Its irresponsible to draw conclusions given this little information; reserve that for trump rallies.

"Patients for whom one of the treatments of interest was initiated more than 48 h after diagnosis or while they were on mechanical ventilation, as well as patients who received remdesivir, were excluded "

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lan​cet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31180-6/f​ulltext

Enjoy!


Thanks for the citation and link.
Also for not making fun of me for being intellectually and literally lazy!

I guess Trump asked "what's the worse that could happen?" Well,, there you go
 
2020-05-22 12:00:26 PM  

Professor Science: Earguy: Unfortunately Trump is probably lying about taking the drug.  First he lies about everything anyway. Second, there's a financial angle. Just wait. There has to be.

I've been waiting for that to come out.  The whole chloroquine shiatshow is perfectly consistent with some close Trump associate having bought up a shiat-ton of the stuff (or production capacity for it) as soon as Raoult's study was published, assuming that they'd be able to gouge the government when demand spiked.  Now they're left with a ton of almost-garbage that they paid too much for and they're desperately trying to pump that price up.

Or it's just Trump being wrong about something trivial then doubling down over and over.  Again.  Could go either way.


Trump is 100% lyin-er, "being sarcastic again". Someone from CNN will ask him a question on the assumption that he's taking the drug, and then he'll say "I've never taken hydroxychloroquine." The reporter will pretend to be surprised and bring up that Trump said that he was taking it. Trump says "I was being sarcastic; it was the nasty MSM that ran the fake story that I was taking it." Same shiat, different year week.
 
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