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2020-05-22 11:50:09 AM  
19 votes:
we were right to reject the metric system. that shiat is for science labs, not weather reports or highways
 
2020-05-22 11:41:01 AM  
17 votes:
archer metric system
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2020-05-22 11:07:26 AM  
14 votes:

TaDu: When I was younger, I thought that the foolish choices made by characters in monster movies was just bad writing in order to advance the plot.  The last few years has revealed it to be the terrifying truth of human nature.


Why do you think we show them to teens?  They are not yet old enough to realize the terrible, horrible truth.  That is why adults avoid them; they are just too depressing.

"Yes.  That is Bob.  And Marlene.  And I empathize with the guy staring at them hiding behind the chain-saw curtain."

On a similar vein, I really want that commercial turned into an actual movie.
 
2020-05-22 11:59:34 AM  
13 votes:

BigKaboom: I remember when the metric system was tried here in the U.S.of A. People biatched how hard it was. Too foreign for ' Murica! Apes is the right description.



There's no real reason to use the metric system, and in some ways, it's worse.  Feet are better than meters, and Fahrenheit is better than Celsius for the weather.  And this may come as a surprise to Europe, but we do use metric for science, anyway.

Calling people apes (which is technically right, but I doubt your intent was to technically right, or else you would have called everyone apes) just because they don't want to have to re-calibrate their intuition for every measurement they make in everyday life is a bit much.

Something as fundamental to the way we think as our measurement system is not easy to change once you're an adult.  It requires far more adjustment than metric system proponents will admit, and there's no reason to force that on millions of people who are getting along just fine already.
 
2020-05-22 11:39:20 AM  
13 votes:

This About That: Apes acting like apes.


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2020-05-22 12:06:38 PM  
10 votes:
The metric system is the tool of the devil! My car gets forty rods to the hogshead and that's the way I likes it.
 
2020-05-22 11:51:38 AM  
7 votes:
I've been assured by our public education system that the metric system is for Europeans and homos.
 
2020-05-22 12:32:37 PM  
5 votes:
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2020-05-22 11:36:23 AM  
4 votes:
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2020-05-22 3:37:20 PM  
3 votes:

Myrdinn: Magruda: CthulhuCalling: The metric system is a strange hill for this edgy hipster to choose to die on, but fark it, I guess we'll go collect our half dozen flags on the Moon and go home.

Think of those flags like the remains of Roman roads or the Pyramids. Relics of a dead society that could not prevent it's own collapse thanks to hubris.

...that are all now bleached white due to the hard solar radiation that has been beating down on them for decades.

Atmosphere, it is good for more than just the breathing of a bunch of nearly hairless apes.


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Sounds like someone didn't watch the documentary.
 
2020-05-22 1:45:23 PM  
3 votes:

Tr0mBoNe: It's still a $1000 fine for violating social distancing around here. I'm kinda surprised America didn't see this as a chance to make some bank.


They should send decoy ice cream trucks into neighborhoods.  When the crowds gather they throw open the window and BAM, it's the police!  They could call it Operation: Entrap-mint.
 
2020-05-22 12:49:53 PM  
3 votes:
I'm in California, a state so far toward the blue end of the political spectrum that it's into the ultraviolet. Even the hard-left whackadoos in Sacramento couldn't make high speed rail work, at least not at a cost that wouldn't have bankrupted the state. If those guys couldn't make it happen in a place where they control all the levers of power, it ain't gonna at a national level. Ditto for single payer health care. California Democrats have fantasized about it for decades, but nobody can figure out how to get the state there, cost-wise.
 
2020-05-22 11:47:35 AM  
3 votes:
Another navel-gazing defeatist puff piece that adds no insight or possible solutions. But hey, it got to say 'F*ck it" 50 times so that's pretty cool.
 
2020-05-22 6:16:30 PM  
2 votes:

Ranolin: shut_it_down: rga184: Of course.  The point being that I don't have to Google anything to get it done in metric.  There's not even a conversion.  300g of water is 300cc.  Boom, done.

And sure, that might be handy the handful of times it comes up. But it's not nearly handy enough to be a compelling argument to change an entire country's units of measurement. Especially nowadays when we don't even have to look up from what we're doing to ask Alexa for a conversion.

The reason to change is largely engineering.  There are international standards for things like electronics, IEEE
Universal Serial Bus, my having a shared standard we can make things in different countries and then they could even work together!!

The International System of Units is one such standard that is kept up to date

People should not have to be convinced to move like its a pain for us to change, we are literally the pain for everyone else to have to use an old, outdated, crappy system so we can still get the same rods per hogshead.

Its Bullss.....loney


Imagine all the companies that make everything from scales, thermometers, cars, micrometers, etc, that require a button or switch to convert from SI to imperial.   Then of course there's the opportunity for error.  Did they load 1000 gallons or liters of fuel into that plane?  Think that's silly?  It's actually happened.  Having standards that every country follows isn't just cheaper and more efficient, it can even be safer.

\ but having to think is so haaaaaaaard!
 
2020-05-22 3:56:12 PM  
2 votes:

Ranolin: shut_it_down: rga184: Of course.  The point being that I don't have to Google anything to get it done in metric.  There's not even a conversion.  300g of water is 300cc.  Boom, done.

And sure, that might be handy the handful of times it comes up. But it's not nearly handy enough to be a compelling argument to change an entire country's units of measurement. Especially nowadays when we don't even have to look up from what we're doing to ask Alexa for a conversion.

The reason to change is largely engineering.  There are international standards for things like electronics, IEEE
Universal Serial Bus, my having a shared standard we can make things in different countries and then they could even work together!!

The International System of Units is one such standard that is kept up to date

People should not have to be convinced to move like its a pain for us to change, we are literally the pain for everyone else to have to use an old, outdated, crappy system so we can still get the same rods per hogshead.

Its Bullss.....loney


Lots of industries in America use metric for this reason, and they are absolutely free to do so. But it doesn't need to be a national, mandated change.
 
2020-05-22 3:24:00 PM  
2 votes:

Excelsior: shut_it_down: rga184: FlippityFlap: Magruda: BigKaboom: I remember when the metric system was tried here in the U.S.of A. People biatched how hard it was. Too foreign for ' Murica! Apes is the right description.

I remember when that stubbornness caused us to crash a mars rover. They actually teach that in school instead of teaching the metric system.

We learned it in grade school in the 70's, before they decided to tank that. Let's see, spend 5 minutes converting units, or move a decimal point a few places and learn the prefix names? Hmmm.....

I need 300mL of water.  I don't have a measuring cup but I have a scale.

No problem.

Try that with idiot units.

That trick only works with pure water. Try that with anything else and your measurement will be off.

Yeah, that 3% difference between the weight of water and milk is really going to make all the difference.


What if it's 2 percent milk.  Then you have to cut down the volume by 33 percent!
 
2020-05-22 2:24:44 PM  
2 votes:

fo_sho!: Not being metric hurts the US when competing globally in industry.
I work in product r&d and new product development. We work in metric and english measurements as needed, but metric is massively preferred. We ran into a major issue very recently where we are trying to design and fast track production for a medical product which has seen Covid 19 massively increase its demand.
We are trying to produce it with 2 contract manufacturers, one in Asia and one in the US. They use different systems so we have to develop 2 almost identical designs which are minutely different due to the available tooling at each site. Conpletely different drawing packages now have to be generated and revved through production. This is a clusterfark and adds a ton of risk.
Imagine if you are an international company looking at using a CM in each country. One uses the same system as the rest of the world, and the other uses it's own base 12 system. It's never going to be the final driver (cost usually is) but it definitely does not help.


I used to work for an American company in the South of England. They were being charged £70 a pair for brass pliers. The pliers were made in America. I got an American molding supplies company to send me their catalogue. Lo and behold, a dozen pairs of brass pliers could be had for $150 plus shipping (another $100). So, a much cheaper alternative. You should have heard the number of excuses I got for not buying them directly from the states, including "We haven't got an account to pay for it in the USA." and "But all their stuff isn't metric.". I pointed out that our headquarters were in America and must have an account somewhere in the same country and asked what the difference between a metric and imperial pair of pliers were.....
 
2020-05-22 12:02:01 PM  
2 votes:
Faith No More - RV
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This should replace the Star Spangled Banner as the national anthem.
 
2020-05-22 11:45:31 AM  
2 votes:
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///  My bad
 
2020-05-22 11:44:16 AM  
2 votes:
Just wait for the fireworks when the NFL has to cancel the season...
 
2020-05-22 11:44:15 AM  
2 votes:
There will never be another "greatest generation." They were it.
 
2020-05-22 11:41:25 AM  
2 votes:
Sure, the author's not wrong, but restating the obvious doesn't lend insight.

Also, the "Three Vegetarian Chefs Tell Us How They'd Eat Groot" article kind of undermined the whole "WE'RE SERIOUS, DAMN IT!" vibe for which they were trying.
 
2020-05-22 11:37:17 AM  
2 votes:
America is always moving forward... into the past.
 
2020-05-22 11:06:47 AM  
2 votes:
It's still a $1000 fine for violating social distancing around here. I'm kinda surprised America didn't see this as a chance to make some bank.
 
2020-05-23 7:15:06 PM  
1 vote:

Gpzjock: Kit Fister: I think this perfectly sums up rga184:

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Oh come now Mr Kister, I live in a country where SI and Imperial sit side by side happily, nobody throws tantrums about the roadsigns being in MPH or the beer sold in pints, neither do they whine about being sold kilos of vegetables, butchers even put both prices on their tickets in the chiller, £/lb and £/kg. Maybe America can manage the same without y'all getting all 2nd Amendment about it or even throwing biatchy memes at each other.

/Nah,
//not gonna
///happen.


There's an adage in error analysis that says that any system that allows for an error to occur, will produce that error.

You cannot have conversion errors if you don't have conversions.  I have personally seen and caught those errors, and they would have been detrimental to my patients' wellbeing if I hadn't caught them.  If that makes me "stop liking what I don't like" kid, guilty.
 
2020-05-23 7:07:03 PM  
1 vote:

Kit Fister: I think this perfectly sums up rga184:

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I could say the same thing about people here who don't like metric, right?

My point isn't that I have a personal preference for it.  All my posts have been about concrete reasons to make the switch.  If you want to set your bathroom scale to stone or pounds, whatever.
 
2020-05-23 5:53:52 PM  
1 vote:
I think this perfectly sums up rga184:

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2020-05-23 4:36:11 PM  
1 vote:
This one has some references worth looking at as well.

https://www.nccmerp.org/recommendatio​n​s-weigh-patients-and-document-metric-w​eights-ensure-accurate-medication-dosi​ng-adopted

I would suggest that even though healthcare is largely into the metric system, parents are still sent home with scripts to measure mL, and anybody from a doc to a medical assistant or even a CNA can introduce an error that could prove fatal.  So familiarity with the system is still important even, and not just for docs, but for patients and parents.  That being the case, there is no reason why we as a country shouldn't teach the metric system universally and extensively in school.  From that point, as people become used to the system, completing a conversion to metric would not be a significant bother to a generation that grew up learning it.
 
2020-05-23 4:18:59 PM  
1 vote:

Kit Fister: rga184: Kit Fister: Man, a whole lotta people are super pissed at the idea of either converting, or not converting. Of all the things to argue about...this is a kinda dumb one.

Teach both. Post signs in both. Make it easier to acclimate to both.

/will always love imperial because .45 caliber is far cooler than 11.65mm.

I've been arguing to even gradually replace signs to include both and even that "doesn't have a compelling enough reason" to do it.

People don't agree with you on it. Nothing to get mad about.


Lol, there's some here that do.  And no, I'm not mad, I just find your reasoning incredibly frustrating.  There's so many things, expensive and bad things, that we do in this country without any "compelling reason" for it, yet here we are using an inefficient, outdated system because there's no compelling reason to change.  All the while ignoring the fact that the fact that it's inefficient and outdated should be compelling enough for our leaders.
 
2020-05-22 9:29:02 PM  
1 vote:

SpecialSnowFlake: That's what repeating 'we're the best at everything' over and over gets you: people who believe it unconditionally, despite all evidence to the contrary.

No healthcare? Well, I guess that's the best 'cause we're the best.

Too poor to live despite working multiple jobs? Well, I guess that's the best 'cause we're the best.

Dying because masks are just too darn hard for some folks? Well, I guess that's the best 'cause we're the best.



I first ran into that when I nearly got into multiple fist fights when the movie "The Day After Came Out" (1984?), and the other 5th or 6th graders were violently insistent that there's no way America could ever be nuked, that it'd never happen to us, and foolish me just stating facts made them apoplectic and want to fight me.

Unfortunately, it seems America is now largely filled with adults who never made it past that stage.
 
2020-05-22 8:04:28 PM  
1 vote:

Loaded Six String: rga184: It should be telling that the empire that gave us imperial units changed to SI.

But we can't.

We use both. We've used both for at least the 33 years I've been alive in different applications. Why don't you go yell at Quebec for insisting on using English & French instead of just English?

Christ, so many people take such pride in speaking more than one language that they'll denigrate people who only speak one, but utilize more than one system of measurement to their one and suddenly you're the stubborn troglodyte.

I'll start using the metric system exclusively when the rest of the world speaks one language exclusively. And until someone figures out a way to make that happen, exclusive use of scientific units isn't going to happen either.


Yes, because languages and units of measurement are totally the same.
 
2020-05-22 7:43:41 PM  
1 vote:

shut_it_down: rga184:As I posted above, there's significant cost, efficiency and safety reasons to switch.

For me, I can tell you that if I had to calculate a dose of ounces per pound of a microounce per teaspoon medication and measure it out for a 220 lb patient, it's a lot more complicated and error prone than to do it in SI.

The products you use,many of which you rey on for safety, will have similar considerations.  It is a reason why a lot of industries as it is use metric.

The problem is, you still have to bring people into that system, so not teaching this stuff to kids in school is a problem.  Maybe you're too old to change, but the argument that it's going to cost us neglects other costs involved.  From manufacturing costs to safety and health costs.  It's not just about it being midly more convenient, it's that it's universally simpler and therefore cheaper and safer.

And yes, you are stubborn.  You are literally arguing to keep using a system that every country that used to use it, abandoned.  Including the country that invented it.

Medicine and engineering already use metric. You're trying to make the argument that we should go further, and there's just no compelling reason to. The costs to switching everything else over to metric would be astronomical. NASA alone would spend $370 million to convert, not to mention every other agency and state government. Every road sign on 4 million miles of roads would have to change. So why don't you convince some people to do studies quantifying the benefits of metric. Otherwise we're just arguing about how you feel about it, and that's pointless. You don't even seem to understand my position. I'm not arguing to keep a system. I'm arguing that there is not a compelling enough reason to change.

I can also do without the "every other country does it this way" argument. That's textbook bandwagon fallacy.


I'm making an argument that we should teach it, and eventually the switch will be natural.  My daughter just had a workbook on units and 90 percent of the pages were on imperial. If we taught it in schools there would be no argument about switching, we would just eventually switch.

And yes,if you're going to use it in medicine and engineering then you can't have a school system that doesn't prepare future workers for that.
 
2020-05-22 6:41:24 PM  
1 vote:

shut_it_down: rga184: shut_it_down: rga184: Of course.  The point being that I don't have to Google anything to get it done in metric.  There's not even a conversion.  300g of water is 300cc.  Boom, done.

And sure, that might be handy the handful of times it comes up. But it's not nearly handy enough to be a compelling argument to change an entire country's units of measurement. Especially nowadays when we don't even have to look up from what we're doing to ask Alexa for a conversion.

It is the simplest example of convenience.  If you're designing a product with 5000 parts that have to fit together, suddenly not having to deal with 1/64 of an inch a few thousand times starts to get easier.

The truth is, it's just more convenient in every way, and the only argument you have for it NOT being more convenient is that it's inconvenient for you to change.

That isn't a compelling argument not to change.

You're misapplying the burden. I don't have to come up with any argument not to change. All I have to do is go back to ignoring this issue entirely, and I get my way. You're also ignoring the fact that there's a huge difference between "It would be better like this" and "you should undo how you do things now and redo it like this." You're only arguing the former and you're not contending with the latter. The undoing of a previous system is a huge problem for your side.

Say an architect walked into my house and said "you know, it would be way better for you to have 11' ceilings instead of 10' ceilings. Airflow would be better, your windows would be a more standard height, and your home would be architecturally consistent with your neighbors." Even if that is all true, those aren't compelling enough reasons for me to spend tens of thousands of dollars to tear my home in half to add a foot in height to my walls. Like it or not, the argument for metrification largely ignores how expensive and disruptive the change would be. Meanwhile, the benefits are either marginal (oh fun, I can measure milk with a scale now) or for limited to certain specialized sectors (medicine, engineering). If you can't point to a real, tangible benefit for everyday people, then your argument will never go anywhere.

If you want it to change, you guys are the ones who have to convince us that the expense and frustration involved is worth it. Instead, the arguments always come down to "you dumb Americans will get over it" and "certain tasks will be a bit simplified once you manage to figure out what's going on." I don't have to convince you of anything. I just have to walk away from the argument and I win. I feel like I come into every one of these threads and explain exactly where the arguments by the metric proponents is failing, but the response is usually that I am uneducated or stubborn. I'm not either, you guys just aren't persuasive.


As I posted above, there's significant cost, efficiency and safety reasons to switch.

For me, I can tell you that if I had to calculate a dose of ounces per pound of a microounce per teaspoon medication and measure it out for a 220 lb patient, it's a lot more complicated and error prone than to do it in SI.

The products you use,many of which you rey on for safety, will have similar considerations.  It is a reason why a lot of industries as it is use metric.

The problem is, you still have to bring people into that system, so not teaching this stuff to kids in school is a problem.  Maybe you're too old to change, but the argument that it's going to cost us neglects other costs involved.  From manufacturing costs to safety and health costs.  It's not just about it being midly more convenient, it's that it's universally simpler and therefore cheaper and safer.

And yes, you are stubborn.  You are literally arguing to keep using a system that every country that used to use it, abandoned.  Including the country that invented it.
 
2020-05-22 6:23:22 PM  
1 vote:
It should be telling that the empire that gave us imperial units changed to SI.

But we can't.
 
2020-05-22 4:24:45 PM  
1 vote:

TheMarchHare: CthulhuCalling: The metric system is a strange hill for this edgy hipster to choose to die on, but fark it, I guess we'll go collect our half dozen flags on the Moon and go home.

Strangely enough the Nazis the US kept from paying for their crimes that built those rockets used the metric system.


Y'all couldn't go one discussion without bringing Nazis into it

Reset the clock, 3rd down.
 
2020-05-22 4:20:37 PM  
1 vote:

Magruda: CthulhuCalling: Magruda: CthulhuCalling: The metric system is a strange hill for this edgy hipster to choose to die on, but fark it, I guess we'll go collect our half dozen flags on the Moon and go home.

Think of those flags like the remains of Roman roads or the Pyramids. Relics of a dead society that could not prevent it's own collapse thanks to hubris.

Ah another advocate piling on with the pointless navel gazing. It's a long weekend, I can see you're going to be jerking off both literally and metaphorically.

only if i keep reading your posts
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Yet here we are.

Today I learned that the space program was nothing but hubris.

Don't forget the Jergen's
 
2020-05-22 3:46:59 PM  
1 vote:

shut_it_down: rga184: Of course.  The point being that I don't have to Google anything to get it done in metric.  There's not even a conversion.  300g of water is 300cc.  Boom, done.

And sure, that might be handy the handful of times it comes up. But it's not nearly handy enough to be a compelling argument to change an entire country's units of measurement. Especially nowadays when we don't even have to look up from what we're doing to ask Alexa for a conversion.


The reason to change is largely engineering.  There are international standards for things like electronics, IEEE
Universal Serial Bus, my having a shared standard we can make things in different countries and then they could even work together!!

The International System of Units is one such standard that is kept up to date

People should not have to be convinced to move like its a pain for us to change, we are literally the pain for everyone else to have to use an old, outdated, crappy system so we can still get the same rods per hogshead.

Its Bullss.....loney
 
2020-05-22 3:39:53 PM  
1 vote:

rga184: Of course.  The point being that I don't have to Google anything to get it done in metric.  There's not even a conversion.  300g of water is 300cc.  Boom, done.


And sure, that might be handy the handful of times it comes up. But it's not nearly handy enough to be a compelling argument to change an entire country's units of measurement. Especially nowadays when we don't even have to look up from what we're doing to ask Alexa for a conversion.
 
2020-05-22 3:23:03 PM  
1 vote:

shut_it_down: rga184: shut_it_down: rga184: FlippityFlap: Magruda: BigKaboom: I remember when the metric system was tried here in the U.S.of A. People biatched how hard it was. Too foreign for ' Murica! Apes is the right description.

I remember when that stubbornness caused us to crash a mars rover. They actually teach that in school instead of teaching the metric system.

We learned it in grade school in the 70's, before they decided to tank that. Let's see, spend 5 minutes converting units, or move a decimal point a few places and learn the prefix names? Hmmm.....

I need 300mL of water.  I don't have a measuring cup but I have a scale.

No problem.

Try that with idiot units.

That trick only works with pure water. Try that with anything else and your measurement will be off.

Yes.  It only works with pure water.  But if you weigh the water and make marks on the glass you are using, you have yourself a measuring cup.

Checkers, Liberia.

You could also google what a cup of water weighs and do the same thing. And let's be honest with ourselves. Even if Americans learned metric, most everybody would still have to google unit conversions. This is a country where people can't figure out a 20% tip no matter how many times I scream, "just divide the total by five!" into the void.


Of course.  The point being that I don't have to Google anything to get it done in metric.  There's not even a conversion.  300g of water is 300cc.  Boom, done.
 
2020-05-22 2:57:10 PM  
1 vote:

New Farkin User Name: NetOwl: BigKaboom: I remember when the metric system was tried here in the U.S.of A. People biatched how hard it was. Too foreign for ' Murica! Apes is the right description.


There's no real reason to use the metric system, and in some ways, it's worse.  Feet are better than meters, and Fahrenheit is better than Celsius for the weather.  And this may come as a surprise to Europe, but we do use metric for science, anyway.

Calling people apes (which is technically right, but I doubt your intent was to technically right, or else you would have called everyone apes) just because they don't want to have to re-calibrate their intuition for every measurement they make in everyday life is a bit much.

Something as fundamental to the way we think as our measurement system is not easy to change once you're an adult.  It requires far more adjustment than metric system proponents will admit, and there's no reason to force that on millions of people who are getting along just fine already.

Engineers use Imperial. It's horrifying.


Moving a decimal place and divisible by 10 is sooooo much more intuitive than 1/64.
 
2020-05-22 2:42:50 PM  
1 vote:

NetOwl: BigKaboom: I remember when the metric system was tried here in the U.S.of A. People biatched how hard it was. Too foreign for ' Murica! Apes is the right description.


There's no real reason to use the metric system, and in some ways, it's worse.  Feet are better than meters, and Fahrenheit is better than Celsius for the weather.  And this may come as a surprise to Europe, but we do use metric for science, anyway.

Calling people apes (which is technically right, but I doubt your intent was to technically right, or else you would have called everyone apes) just because they don't want to have to re-calibrate their intuition for every measurement they make in everyday life is a bit much.

Something as fundamental to the way we think as our measurement system is not easy to change once you're an adult.  It requires far more adjustment than metric system proponents will admit, and there's no reason to force that on millions of people who are getting along just fine already.


Ok boomer.
 
2020-05-22 2:18:45 PM  
1 vote:
FlippityFlap:Well, I guess you don't science much then. I've had to re-learn just about every facet of my career in IT, many times over in the last 30 years. It can be done, and in fact it's probably good for your brain.

Not much anymore, but I do have a STEM degree. Learning the necessary metric units was just not a big deal. I understand metric just fine, but I just don't see why it is demonstrably better for the vast majority of everyday applications. You also mention having to re-learn everything over the last 30 years. Even presuming that's true, why is it better to make an entire country re-learn everything instead of just the people who actually need it? For most day to day applications, metric is at best a lateral move. Would it be better if America just always had the metric system? Maybe. But once a system is in place you need a really compelling reason to tear it down and replace it, and there just really isn't one. I could spend 30 hours driving to my brother's house 2000 miles away and never come within 500 miles of a country that uses metric. Why in the world does it matter that I'm measuring my distance in miles or my gas in gallons, or that all the relevant signs along the way express information in these terms that everyone reading them completely understands.
 
2020-05-22 2:10:47 PM  
1 vote:

FlippityFlap: Magruda: Magruda: RasIanI: Magruda: CthulhuCalling: The metric system is a strange hill for this edgy hipster to choose to die on, but fark it, I guess we'll go collect our half dozen flags on the Moon and go home.

Think of those flags like the remains of Roman roads or the Pyramids. Relics of a dead society that could not prevent it's own collapse thanks to hubris.

And it funny, because all the calculations for those missions out of NASA were in metric.

Actually.....

It funny because NASA not using metric is what led to the Mars rover crash.

Wasn't it in fact a bad conversion from Imperial to metric that cratered it? I cannot recall exactly...


Control software supplied by Lockheed was programmed to output in non-SI units (in violation of the production contract); the craft was programmed for inputs in SI units.

/naturally, bad things happened
//imperial units suck
///especially the BTU/lbm
 
2020-05-22 2:02:11 PM  
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NetOwl: BigKaboom: I remember when the metric system was tried here in the U.S.of A. People biatched how hard it was. Too foreign for ' Murica! Apes is the right description.


There's no real reason to use the metric system, and in some ways, it's worse.  Feet are better than meters, and Fahrenheit is better than Celsius for the weather.  And this may come as a surprise to Europe, but we do use metric for science, anyway.

Calling people apes (which is technically right, but I doubt your intent was to technically right, or else you would have called everyone apes) just because they don't want to have to re-calibrate their intuition for every measurement they make in everyday life is a bit much.

Something as fundamental to the way we think as our measurement system is not easy to change once you're an adult.  It requires far more adjustment than metric system proponents will admit, and there's no reason to force that on millions of people who are getting along just fine already.


Engineers use Imperial. It's horrifying.
 
2020-05-22 1:26:16 PM  
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jjorsett: Smelly Pirate Hooker: duke3522: NetOwl: BigKaboom: I remember when the metric system was tried here in the U.S.of A. People biatched how hard it was. Too foreign for ' Murica! Apes is the right description.


There's no real reason to use the metric system, and in some ways, it's worse.  Feet are better than meters, and Fahrenheit is better than Celsius for the weather.  And this may come as a surprise to Europe, but we do use metric for science, anyway.

Calling people apes (which is technically right, but I doubt your intent was to technically right, or else you would have called everyone apes) just because they don't want to have to re-calibrate their intuition for every measurement they make in everyday life is a bit much.

Something as fundamental to the way we think as our measurement system is not easy to change once you're an adult.  It requires far more adjustment than metric system proponents will admit, and there's no reason to force that on millions of people who are getting along just fine already.

Nonsense! In 1979 we were 2/3s of the way to the change over. Here in Indiana anyway the road mileage signs had been changed, the weather was being reported in both F and C. If Reagan would have left it alone, we would be calling feet and inches the old system by now.  Stopping the change over to the metric system was a huge victory of anti intellectuals

Yes, it was, and we've been paying for it as a country ever since.

Indulging stupid is what got us President Flag Humper. And the Republicans are responsible for most of it.

I was there. Blue collar workers, then the solidest and maybe the biggest part of the Democratic party base, screamed bloody murder because they'd have had to buy all new tools and equipment and get trained. They wanted the government to pay for all of that if a switch was forced on the country. The Democrats got scorched and many backed down.


They should've agreed to pay for the re-tooling with a tax credit for the workers.
 
2020-05-22 12:57:55 PM  
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SHUT THE F**K UP, WORLD
 
2020-05-22 12:53:53 PM  
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Nadie_AZ: I need to watch or read some stuff on the fall of the British Empire. It happened pretty fast, actually. Are we gonna beat that?


The British Empire fell because the empire itself is small, population-wise. And, it was decimated by two major wars fought just outside their front door. When enough key people were killed, or at least taken away to run the war, then all those colonies were left with a power vacuum, which was taken over by the natives. And they all had a playbook: they looked at one successful breakaway from the British Empire: the United States, and copied that system (minus the war, if possible, and choosing a better manner of electing political heads: notice no other country in the world uses an electoral college).
 
2020-05-22 12:41:18 PM  
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The metric system is a strange hill for this edgy hipster to choose to die on, but fark it, I guess we'll go collect our half dozen flags on the Moon and go home.
 
2020-05-22 12:29:46 PM  
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edmo: There will never be another "greatest generation." They were it.


They weren't that - look at the kids they raised. No "greatest generation" produces that result.
 
2020-05-22 12:06:36 PM  
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Riothamus: NetOwl: BigKaboom: I remember when the metric system was tried here in the U.S.of A. People biatched how hard it was. Too foreign for ' Murica! Apes is the right description.


There's no real reason to use the metric system, and in some ways, it's worse.  Feet are better than meters, and Fahrenheit is better than Celsius for the weather.  And this may come as a surprise to Europe, but we do use metric for science, anyway.

Calling people apes (which is technically right, but I doubt your intent was to technically right, or else you would have called everyone apes) just because they don't want to have to re-calibrate their intuition for every measurement they make in everyday life is a bit much.

Something as fundamental to the way we think as our measurement system is not easy to change once you're an adult.  It requires far more adjustment than metric system proponents will admit, and there's no reason to force that on millions of people who are getting along just fine already.

It's basic math. Anyone who can calculate tips shouldn't have any issues with approximating conversions.


The people fighting the metric system don't tip.
 
2020-05-22 12:06:25 PM  
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NetOwl: is not easy to change once you're an adult


Once again, the implied admission that Canadians (and Aussies, etc) are just inherently smarter than us.

Menlo Park, Kitty Hawk, Manhattan Project, Transistors/ICs, and Apollo.  It was a damned good run people, but reversion to the mean gets to you eventually.
 
2020-05-22 11:56:43 AM  
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BigKaboom: I remember when the metric system was tried here in the U.S.of A. People biatched how hard it was. Too foreign for ' Murica! Apes is the right description.


I remember when that stubbornness caused us to crash a mars rover. They actually teach that in school instead of teaching the metric system.
 
2020-05-22 11:50:06 AM  
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TaDu: When I was younger, I thought that the foolish choices made by characters in monster movies was just bad writing in order to advance the plot.  The last few years has revealed it to be the terrifying truth of human nature.


Currently re-watching the Walking Dead. I gave up on it back in the day because I got tired of literally everyone on the show being unrepentant murderous dickbags. Seemed unlikely to me that absolutely everyone would turn into a monster. But now I'm older and more cynical. And in light of the recent behavior during this administration and the pandemic I realize that, at least in the United States, nearly everyone absolutely would degenerate into animals if society collapsed and eat anyone who didn't.

COVID-19: Making The Walking Dead watchable again.
 
2020-05-22 11:47:01 AM  
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America is a shiathole country.
 
2020-05-22 11:40:51 AM  
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Of course we can't do that! Large scale public transportation and untethering health care from employers would remove barriers for black and brown people, and the stockholders who run this country wouldn't want that!
 
2020-05-22 11:39:49 AM  
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Look, we as a culture have decided to commit national suicide.  It's best to just hand out the flavor-aid and wait to pick up the pieces.
 
2020-05-22 11:39:42 AM  
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This is the greatest demonstration of American Exceptionalism in my lifetime, and it is terrifying and depressing.
 
2020-05-22 11:39:14 AM  
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The USA has a lot of money in the hands of a few people at the top. Other than that, it's a third world country.
 
2020-05-22 11:28:17 AM  
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Yeah. Exactly. What are we gonna do?

Cheers to the freakin weekend.

Rihanna - Cheers (Drink To That)
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2020-05-22 10:15:37 AM  
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When I was younger, I thought that the foolish choices made by characters in monster movies was just bad writing in order to advance the plot.  The last few years has revealed it to be the terrifying truth of human nature.
 
2020-05-22 10:13:29 AM  
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Spot on.  We Americans are a lazy entitled breed. Some can rise above that; most don't.
 
2020-05-22 9:49:54 AM  
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Apes acting like apes.
 
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