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2020-05-22 10:15:37 AM  
75 votes:
When I was younger, I thought that the foolish choices made by characters in monster movies was just bad writing in order to advance the plot.  The last few years has revealed it to be the terrifying truth of human nature.
 
2020-05-22 9:40:34 AM  
53 votes:
The author is not wrong.
 
2020-05-22 11:39:14 AM  
50 votes:
The USA has a lot of money in the hands of a few people at the top. Other than that, it's a third world country.
 
2020-05-22 11:41:03 AM  
43 votes:
Back during the cold war, one common epithet leveled at the Soviet Union was 'Upper Volta with Rockets' - a military superpower but otherwise a third rate, third world country slowly shambling towards collapse.
That's how I'm beginning to see the United States. It has more markers in common with developing nations than developed ones.
 
2020-05-22 11:46:28 AM  
38 votes:

TaDu: When I was younger, I thought that the foolish choices made by characters in monster movies was just bad writing in order to advance the plot.  The last few years has revealed it to be the terrifying truth of human nature.


For years, I felt that the mayor in Jaws was the most unrealistic character in the whole movie. I thought he was written with almost buffoonish bureaucratic stupidity.

Today, I find him to be the most accurately portrayed character in the film.
 
2020-05-22 11:39:42 AM  
35 votes:
This is the greatest demonstration of American Exceptionalism in my lifetime, and it is terrifying and depressing.
 
2020-05-22 10:13:29 AM  
35 votes:
Spot on.  We Americans are a lazy entitled breed. Some can rise above that; most don't.
 
2020-05-22 11:39:49 AM  
27 votes:
Look, we as a culture have decided to commit national suicide.  It's best to just hand out the flavor-aid and wait to pick up the pieces.
 
2020-05-22 11:43:04 AM  
26 votes:
That's what repeating 'we're the best at everything' over and over gets you: people who believe it unconditionally, despite all evidence to the contrary.

No healthcare? Well, I guess that's the best 'cause we're the best.

Too poor to live despite working multiple jobs? Well, I guess that's the best 'cause we're the best.

Dying because masks are just too darn hard for some folks? Well, I guess that's the best 'cause we're the best.
 
2020-05-22 11:46:41 AM  
17 votes:

Majin_Buu: Well, thinking does take effort. That's the crux of the issue.


It's not just the unheeding, but the deliberately misleading that contribute to the problem. If it was just a matter of educating the ignorant, we'd be fine.

But, thanks to good ol' American anti-intellectualism, we have a segment of our population that's actively working against educating the ignorant. They're the ones that defund education, spread misinformation in media, and manufacture conspiracy theories & fallacious statements to pass around via multiple networks of like-minded bad actors.

There's a reason Trump backs hydroxychloroquine - because some asshole told him it was a good idea, influenced others to buy millions of useless doses, and continue to agitate for it even against other, arguably more successful treatments. There's a reason thousands of bots on Twitter have managed to push the idea that "cowards wear masks" while "the brave have parties & get haircuts from noble small business owners willing to defy the 'deep state' by opening places at which COVID-19 is now a goddamned door prize."

You're not just fighting the stupid. You're fighting evil, too.
 
2020-05-22 11:40:51 AM  
17 votes:
Of course we can't do that! Large scale public transportation and untethering health care from employers would remove barriers for black and brown people, and the stockholders who run this country wouldn't want that!
 
2020-05-22 11:39:51 AM  
14 votes:
I remember when the metric system was tried here in the U.S.of A. People biatched how hard it was. Too foreign for ' Murica! Apes is the right description.
 
2020-05-22 11:39:20 AM  
14 votes:

This About That: Apes acting like apes.


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2020-05-22 11:46:46 AM  
13 votes:

Jack Sabbath: Spot on.  We Americans are a lazy entitled breed. Some can rise above that; most don't.


More could rise above if the ones who refused to would stop stomping on them.

Too many bright, capable people are foiled again and again by a Lumbergh or a Karen whom can't stand that you might know more, might work harder, or are just different than they are, and they demand respect they haven't earned.
 
2020-05-22 9:49:54 AM  
12 votes:
Apes acting like apes.
 
2020-05-22 11:47:01 AM  
11 votes:
America is a shiathole country.
 
2020-05-22 12:38:44 PM  
9 votes:

NetOwl: BigKaboom: I remember when the metric system was tried here in the U.S.of A. People biatched how hard it was. Too foreign for ' Murica! Apes is the right description.


There's no real reason to use the metric system, and in some ways, it's worse.  Feet are better than meters, and Fahrenheit is better than Celsius for the weather.  And this may come as a surprise to Europe, but we do use metric for science, anyway.

Calling people apes (which is technically right, but I doubt your intent was to technically right, or else you would have called everyone apes) just because they don't want to have to re-calibrate their intuition for every measurement they make in everyday life is a bit much.

Something as fundamental to the way we think as our measurement system is not easy to change once you're an adult.  It requires far more adjustment than metric system proponents will admit, and there's no reason to force that on millions of people who are getting along just fine already.


Nonsense! In 1979 we were 2/3s of the way to the change over. Here in Indiana anyway the road mileage signs had been changed, the weather was being reported in both F and C. If Reagan would have left it alone, we would be calling feet and inches the old system by now.  Stopping the change over to the metric system was a huge victory of anti intellectuals
 
2020-05-22 12:07:44 PM  
9 votes:

edmo: There will never be another "greatest generation." They were it.


They could be Assholes too. They once sent a boatload of Jewish refugees back to nazi Germany
 
2020-05-22 11:06:47 AM  
9 votes:
It's still a $1000 fine for violating social distancing around here. I'm kinda surprised America didn't see this as a chance to make some bank.
 
2020-05-22 11:44:58 AM  
8 votes:
I need to watch or read some stuff on the fall of the British Empire. It happened pretty fast, actually. Are we gonna beat that?
 
2020-05-22 11:37:17 AM  
8 votes:
America is always moving forward... into the past.
 
2020-05-22 11:44:16 AM  
7 votes:
Just wait for the fireworks when the NFL has to cancel the season...
 
2020-05-22 11:44:15 AM  
7 votes:
There will never be another "greatest generation." They were it.
 
2020-05-22 12:29:03 PM  
6 votes:
Republicans aren't in "fark it" mode. There is a purpose to their farkery.

They want government that helps rich people and ONLY rich people.

They don't care who else it hurts. They're pieces of shiat, not devil-may-care cowboys jumping into a breach.

They're the assholes who shove OTHER PEOPLE into the breach.

They don't want to suffer, they want the rest of us to suffer.
 
2020-05-22 12:06:36 PM  
6 votes:

Riothamus: NetOwl: BigKaboom: I remember when the metric system was tried here in the U.S.of A. People biatched how hard it was. Too foreign for ' Murica! Apes is the right description.


There's no real reason to use the metric system, and in some ways, it's worse.  Feet are better than meters, and Fahrenheit is better than Celsius for the weather.  And this may come as a surprise to Europe, but we do use metric for science, anyway.

Calling people apes (which is technically right, but I doubt your intent was to technically right, or else you would have called everyone apes) just because they don't want to have to re-calibrate their intuition for every measurement they make in everyday life is a bit much.

Something as fundamental to the way we think as our measurement system is not easy to change once you're an adult.  It requires far more adjustment than metric system proponents will admit, and there's no reason to force that on millions of people who are getting along just fine already.

It's basic math. Anyone who can calculate tips shouldn't have any issues with approximating conversions.


The people fighting the metric system don't tip.
 
2020-05-22 2:52:08 PM  
5 votes:

TaDu: When I was younger, I thought that the foolish choices made by characters in monster movies was just bad writing in order to advance the plot.  The last few years has revealed it to be the terrifying truth of human nature.


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2020-05-22 2:45:39 PM  
5 votes:

FlippityFlap: Magruda: BigKaboom: I remember when the metric system was tried here in the U.S.of A. People biatched how hard it was. Too foreign for ' Murica! Apes is the right description.

I remember when that stubbornness caused us to crash a mars rover. They actually teach that in school instead of teaching the metric system.

We learned it in grade school in the 70's, before they decided to tank that. Let's see, spend 5 minutes converting units, or move a decimal point a few places and learn the prefix names? Hmmm.....


I need 300mL of water.  I don't have a measuring cup but I have a scale.

No problem.

Try that with idiot units.
 
2020-05-22 1:16:11 PM  
5 votes:

edmo: There will never be another "greatest generation." They were it.


Ask women and minorities how great the greatest generation was.
 
2020-05-22 12:45:59 PM  
5 votes:

duke3522: NetOwl: BigKaboom: I remember when the metric system was tried here in the U.S.of A. People biatched how hard it was. Too foreign for ' Murica! Apes is the right description.


There's no real reason to use the metric system, and in some ways, it's worse.  Feet are better than meters, and Fahrenheit is better than Celsius for the weather.  And this may come as a surprise to Europe, but we do use metric for science, anyway.

Calling people apes (which is technically right, but I doubt your intent was to technically right, or else you would have called everyone apes) just because they don't want to have to re-calibrate their intuition for every measurement they make in everyday life is a bit much.

Something as fundamental to the way we think as our measurement system is not easy to change once you're an adult.  It requires far more adjustment than metric system proponents will admit, and there's no reason to force that on millions of people who are getting along just fine already.

Nonsense! In 1979 we were 2/3s of the way to the change over. Here in Indiana anyway the road mileage signs had been changed, the weather was being reported in both F and C. If Reagan would have left it alone, we would be calling feet and inches the old system by now.  Stopping the change over to the metric system was a huge victory of anti intellectuals


Yes, it was, and we've been paying for it as a country ever since.

Indulging stupid is what got us President Flag Humper. And the Republicans are responsible for most of it.
 
2020-05-22 12:03:28 PM  
5 votes:

Sophont: Jack Sabbath: Spot on.  We Americans are a lazy entitled breed. Some can rise above that; most don't.

More could rise above if the ones who refused to would stop stomping on them.

Too many bright, capable people are foiled again and again by a Lumbergh or a Karen whom can't stand that you might know more, might work harder, or are just different than they are, and they demand respect they haven't earned.


I never thought "foolish evil" would ever be a character alignment, but given how often people use WIZ as a dump stat, I am starting to understand why it honeslty should be, bravery so often walking a fine line with foolishness.
 
2020-05-22 12:02:18 PM  
5 votes:

NetOwl: BigKaboom: I remember when the metric system was tried here in the U.S.of A. People biatched how hard it was. Too foreign for ' Murica! Apes is the right description.


There's no real reason to use the metric system, and in some ways, it's worse.  Feet are better than meters, and Fahrenheit is better than Celsius for the weather.  And this may come as a surprise to Europe, but we do use metric for science, anyway.

Calling people apes (which is technically right, but I doubt your intent was to technically right, or else you would have called everyone apes) just because they don't want to have to re-calibrate their intuition for every measurement they make in everyday life is a bit much.

Something as fundamental to the way we think as our measurement system is not easy to change once you're an adult.  It requires far more adjustment than metric system proponents will admit, and there's no reason to force that on millions of people who are getting along just fine already.


It's basic math. Anyone who can calculate tips shouldn't have any issues with approximating conversions.
 
2020-05-22 11:49:13 AM  
5 votes:

Tr0mBoNe: It's still a $1000 fine for violating social distancing around here. I'm kinda surprised America didn't see this as a chance to make some bank.


We don't like to fine white people or wealthy people.
 
2020-05-22 11:48:52 AM  
5 votes:
One thing I do have to say, while we are rushing to be dumb we're hardly alone.

Belgium is literally a farkin horror show it's #2 in the world for per capita deaths... so they're sending the kids back to school
 
2020-05-22 2:54:54 PM  
4 votes:

harleyquinnical: Sophont: Jack Sabbath: Spot on.  We Americans are a lazy entitled breed. Some can rise above that; most don't.

More could rise above if the ones who refused to would stop stomping on them.

Too many bright, capable people are foiled again and again by a Lumbergh or a Karen whom can't stand that you might know more, might work harder, or are just different than they are, and they demand respect they haven't earned.

I never thought "foolish evil" would ever be a character alignment, but given how often people use WIZ as a dump stat, I am starting to understand why it honeslty should be, bravery so often walking a fine line with foolishness.


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2020-05-22 1:01:52 PM  
4 votes:

jjorsett: I'm in California, a state so far toward the blue end of the political spectrum that it's into the ultraviolet. Even the hard-left whackadoos in Sacramento couldn't make high speed rail work, at least not at a cost that wouldn't have bankrupted the state. If those guys couldn't make it happen in a place where they control all the levers of power, it ain't gonna at a national level. Ditto for single payer health care. California Democrats have fantasized about it for decades, but nobody can figure out how to get the state there, cost-wise.


I'm certain that a few California politicians are friendlier to Pharma and insurances lobbies than their constituents plays something of a role in that.

When they say, "How are you gonna pay for that?" what they mean is "But how can my buddies get rich off that?"
 
2020-05-22 12:53:53 PM  
4 votes:

Nadie_AZ: I need to watch or read some stuff on the fall of the British Empire. It happened pretty fast, actually. Are we gonna beat that?


The British Empire fell because the empire itself is small, population-wise. And, it was decimated by two major wars fought just outside their front door. When enough key people were killed, or at least taken away to run the war, then all those colonies were left with a power vacuum, which was taken over by the natives. And they all had a playbook: they looked at one successful breakaway from the British Empire: the United States, and copied that system (minus the war, if possible, and choosing a better manner of electing political heads: notice no other country in the world uses an electoral college).
 
2020-05-22 12:26:23 PM  
4 votes:

harleyquinnical: Sophont: Jack Sabbath: Spot on.  We Americans are a lazy entitled breed. Some can rise above that; most don't.

More could rise above if the ones who refused to would stop stomping on them.

Too many bright, capable people are foiled again and again by a Lumbergh or a Karen whom can't stand that you might know more, might work harder, or are just different than they are, and they demand respect they haven't earned.

I never thought "foolish evil" would ever be a character alignment, but given how often people use WIZ as a dump stat, I am starting to understand why it honeslty should be, bravery so often walking a fine line with foolishness.


The abbreviation of Wisdom to Wiz disturbs me.
 
2020-05-22 12:12:04 PM  
4 votes:

NetOwl: BigKaboom: I remember when the metric system was tried here in the U.S.of A. People biatched how hard it was. Too foreign for ' Murica! Apes is the right description.


There's no real reason to use the metric system, and in some ways, it's worse.  Feet are better than meters, and Fahrenheit is better than Celsius for the weather.  And this may come as a surprise to Europe, but we do use metric for science, anyway.

Calling people apes (which is technically right, but I doubt your intent was to technically right, or else you would have called everyone apes) just because they don't want to have to re-calibrate their intuition for every measurement they make in everyday life is a bit much.

Something as fundamental to the way we think as our measurement system is not easy to change once you're an adult.  It requires far more adjustment than metric system proponents will admit, and there's no reason to force that on millions of people who are getting along just fine already.


I kind of hate measuring in feet due to having to work with fractions, though. Figuring out half of 15 3/8" is not nearly as easy to do in your head as half of 39 cm. Replace all of the yardsticks with meter sticks and everything is much easier to deal with.
 
2020-05-22 12:06:25 PM  
4 votes:

NetOwl: is not easy to change once you're an adult


Once again, the implied admission that Canadians (and Aussies, etc) are just inherently smarter than us.

Menlo Park, Kitty Hawk, Manhattan Project, Transistors/ICs, and Apollo.  It was a damned good run people, but reversion to the mean gets to you eventually.
 
2020-05-22 11:57:09 AM  
4 votes:
Unions, environmentalism, anti-fascism, etc.  We still have to fight for all the gains previous generations made.
 
2020-05-22 11:50:06 AM  
4 votes:

TaDu: When I was younger, I thought that the foolish choices made by characters in monster movies was just bad writing in order to advance the plot.  The last few years has revealed it to be the terrifying truth of human nature.


Currently re-watching the Walking Dead. I gave up on it back in the day because I got tired of literally everyone on the show being unrepentant murderous dickbags. Seemed unlikely to me that absolutely everyone would turn into a monster. But now I'm older and more cynical. And in light of the recent behavior during this administration and the pandemic I realize that, at least in the United States, nearly everyone absolutely would degenerate into animals if society collapsed and eat anyone who didn't.

COVID-19: Making The Walking Dead watchable again.
 
2020-05-22 11:43:04 AM  
4 votes:
Now if the world could take away the nukes and the almighty dollar, we wouldnt give a fark what Murica does or doesnt do and the world will be better for it until we can figure out our shiat and purge the trumpers, kkk and neo-nazis from the mortal realm like they should have been a long time ago.
 
2020-05-22 11:41:46 AM  
4 votes:
Well, thinking does take effort. That's the crux of the issue.
 
2020-05-22 6:22:54 PM  
3 votes:

rga184: shut_it_down: rga184: Of course.  The point being that I don't have to Google anything to get it done in metric.  There's not even a conversion.  300g of water is 300cc.  Boom, done.

And sure, that might be handy the handful of times it comes up. But it's not nearly handy enough to be a compelling argument to change an entire country's units of measurement. Especially nowadays when we don't even have to look up from what we're doing to ask Alexa for a conversion.

It is the simplest example of convenience.  If you're designing a product with 5000 parts that have to fit together, suddenly not having to deal with 1/64 of an inch a few thousand times starts to get easier.

The truth is, it's just more convenient in every way, and the only argument you have for it NOT being more convenient is that it's inconvenient for you to change.

That isn't a compelling argument not to change.


Yet I bet you use a qwerty keyboard yourself -- like everyone else in the western world. The layout that was originally designed to intentionally increase your hand travel to slow you down so the hammers on a typewriter wouldn't jam up.  There are multiple alternatives like dvorak explicitly designed to make you a faster, more efficient typer, but no one uses them. Why?  Because learning a new layout is a big hassle with little initial payoff, especially if everyone around you uses the other standard.

As far as imperial units being more intuitive, that's complete bullshiat. The only reason it feels that way is because you grew up with it. For the rest of the world, metric is super intuitive.

/Having to switch from metric to old-timey myself, I found that it took MUCH longer to adjust to the fahrenheit scale than it was to imperial distance measurements.
 
2020-05-22 3:46:59 PM  
3 votes:

shut_it_down: rga184: Of course.  The point being that I don't have to Google anything to get it done in metric.  There's not even a conversion.  300g of water is 300cc.  Boom, done.

And sure, that might be handy the handful of times it comes up. But it's not nearly handy enough to be a compelling argument to change an entire country's units of measurement. Especially nowadays when we don't even have to look up from what we're doing to ask Alexa for a conversion.


The reason to change is largely engineering.  There are international standards for things like electronics, IEEE
Universal Serial Bus, my having a shared standard we can make things in different countries and then they could even work together!!

The International System of Units is one such standard that is kept up to date

People should not have to be convinced to move like its a pain for us to change, we are literally the pain for everyone else to have to use an old, outdated, crappy system so we can still get the same rods per hogshead.

Its Bullss.....loney
 
2020-05-22 2:41:39 PM  
3 votes:
The metric system is symbolic more than anything, because the last real effort was tied in the era we're still fighting. The peak of the American Century.

For symbolism's sake, the peak was December 14, 1972.  The day Apollo 17 left the Moon. Within a few years of that... Watergate, First Oil Shock, End of Bretton Woods, Fall of Saigon, Europe had the Concorde and we didn't... on and on.

This was also the era of the US's last real effort to join the world in daily metric system use.  And in the light of that era, fighting change became a totemic "damn it, this is one thing we can hold on to" for wounded American pride.  And so it has remained.
 
2020-05-22 1:18:09 PM  
3 votes:

shut_it_down: NetOwl: BigKaboom: I remember when the metric system was tried here in the U.S.of A. People biatched how hard it was. Too foreign for ' Murica! Apes is the right description.


There's no real reason to use the metric system, and in some ways, it's worse.  Feet are better than meters, and Fahrenheit is better than Celsius for the weather.  And this may come as a surprise to Europe, but we do use metric for science, anyway.

Calling people apes (which is technically right, but I doubt your intent was to technically right, or else you would have called everyone apes) just because they don't want to have to re-calibrate their intuition for every measurement they make in everyday life is a bit much.

Something as fundamental to the way we think as our measurement system is not easy to change once you're an adult. It requires far more adjustment than metric system proponents will admit, and there's no reason to force that on millions of people who are getting along just fine already.

That's really the issue that people tend to ignore. The benefits for everyday life are wildly overblown, and it really is a colossal mental shift to people who use imperial units for their everyday perceptions of the world. It's really not dissimilar to telling an entire country that they all have to start speaking in a new language. People also seem to think that we spend literally years of school learning imperial units. We really don't. And we learn metric units in school just as we would any other unit of measurement that we didn't previously use. For 99% of Americans, imperial units are a complete non-issue. The only place where metric would be useful is cooking, because tablespoons to teaspoons to cups to ounces is just annoying. But gallons, miles, feet, and fahrenheit work just fine for our day to day uses.

The proponents for universal metrification have no recent studies on how much it would cost or how much it might save. Everything they cite tracks back to an op-ed from 1915 about the manhours it takes to convert units. Those numbers are trivial nowadays. They also cite a number that's way too low for the cost of metrification, since they're misreading a NASA report.


Exhibit A for the essayists argument. Right here. I don't wanna - the rest of the world is stupid.
 
2020-05-22 1:09:18 PM  
3 votes:
Too many Americans just don't wanna - and until about 2000 they didnt hafta. Dont like converting from metric to Imperial measurements? Don't don't sell your s*** here.

Infrastructure like high speed railways? Why bother when we have all these interstates and personal automobiles? Mass transit = people who are too weird or two poor to have a car. F*** 'em.

Universal Healthcare?? What do you not have a good job? Sounds like a personal problem - and besides, the healthcare sector produces a lot of money for its employees and shareholders.

All of these things require a paradigm shift in thinking and there are some very vested interests out there that want to ensure that never happens en masse.

Better to just keep talking about Americans are exceptional.
 
2020-05-22 12:45:30 PM  
3 votes:

CthulhuCalling: The metric system is a strange hill for this edgy hipster to choose to die on, but fark it, I guess we'll go collect our half dozen flags on the Moon and go home.


Think of those flags like the remains of Roman roads or the Pyramids. Relics of a dead society that could not prevent it's own collapse thanks to hubris.
 
2020-05-22 12:35:02 PM  
3 votes:

Gpzjock: harleyquinnical: Sophont: Jack Sabbath: Spot on.  We Americans are a lazy entitled breed. Some can rise above that; most don't.

More could rise above if the ones who refused to would stop stomping on them.

Too many bright, capable people are foiled again and again by a Lumbergh or a Karen whom can't stand that you might know more, might work harder, or are just different than they are, and they demand respect they haven't earned.

I never thought "foolish evil" would ever be a character alignment, but given how often people use WIZ as a dump stat, I am starting to understand why it honeslty should be, bravery so often walking a fine line with foolishness.

The abbreviation of Wisdom to Wiz disturbs me.


Yeah! and Wiz stands for wizard but wisdom is a clerical attribute!
 
2020-05-22 12:25:15 PM  
3 votes:

NetOwl: BigKaboom: I remember when the metric system was tried here in the U.S.of A. People biatched how hard it was. Too foreign for ' Murica! Apes is the right description.


There's no real reason to use the metric system, and in some ways, it's worse.  Feet are better than meters, and Fahrenheit is better than Celsius for the weather.  And this may come as a surprise to Europe, but we do use metric for science, anyway.

Calling people apes (which is technically right, but I doubt your intent was to technically right, or else you would have called everyone apes) just because they don't want to have to re-calibrate their intuition for every measurement they make in everyday life is a bit much.

Something as fundamental to the way we think as our measurement system is not easy to change once you're an adult.  It requires far more adjustment than metric system proponents will admit, and there's no reason to force that on millions of people who are getting along just fine already.


I started school as the UK was just finishing metricating the whole of society. I was perfectly happy learning a base10 unitary system then switching to quarters, eighths and twelfths to do fractions. Imperial units were taught along side to boost our fraction comprehension. It worked well.
 
2020-05-22 12:24:31 PM  
3 votes:

TheSubjunctive: NetOwl: is not easy to change once you're an adult

Once again, the implied admission that Canadians (and Aussies, etc) are just inherently smarter than us.

Menlo Park, Kitty Hawk, Manhattan Project, Transistors/ICs, and Apollo.  It was a damned good run people, but reversion to the mean gets to you eventually.


When you stop supporting education and actively discourage critical thinking, that's what you get.
 
2020-05-22 12:13:31 PM  
3 votes:

Magruda: BigKaboom: I remember when the metric system was tried here in the U.S.of A. People biatched how hard it was. Too foreign for ' Murica! Apes is the right description.

I remember when that stubbornness caused us to crash a mars rover. They actually teach that in school instead of teaching the metric system.


We learned it in grade school in the 70's, before they decided to tank that. Let's see, spend 5 minutes converting units, or move a decimal point a few places and learn the prefix names? Hmmm.....
 
2020-05-22 12:06:39 PM  
3 votes:

Nadie_AZ: I need to watch or read some stuff on the fall of the British Empire. It happened pretty fast, actually. Are we gonna beat that?


All empires/superpowers end. Does Americas end like the UK (ignoring the past few years) or France as they more drifted off to a softer landing or a hard cratering crash like the Soviet Union.
I'd bet on a harder landing than the collapse of the USSR because of the reasons in the article
 
2020-05-22 12:04:39 PM  
3 votes:
 
2020-05-22 11:58:51 AM  
3 votes:

SpecialSnowFlake: That's what repeating 'we're the best at everything' over and over gets you: people who believe it unconditionally, despite all evidence to the contrary.

No healthcare? Well, I guess that's the best 'cause we're the best.

Too poor to live despite working multiple jobs? Well, I guess that's the best 'cause we're the best.

Dying because masks are just too darn hard for some folks? Well, I guess that's the best 'cause we're the best.



Easy -- If you just keep saying that you're #1, then there is no need for introspection or striving for improvement, ever.
 
2020-05-22 11:56:43 AM  
3 votes:

BigKaboom: I remember when the metric system was tried here in the U.S.of A. People biatched how hard it was. Too foreign for ' Murica! Apes is the right description.


I remember when that stubbornness caused us to crash a mars rover. They actually teach that in school instead of teaching the metric system.
 
2020-05-22 11:41:25 AM  
3 votes:
Sure, the author's not wrong, but restating the obvious doesn't lend insight.

Also, the "Three Vegetarian Chefs Tell Us How They'd Eat Groot" article kind of undermined the whole "WE'RE SERIOUS, DAMN IT!" vibe for which they were trying.
 
2020-05-22 8:40:10 PM  
2 votes:

rga184: shut_it_down: rga184: I'm making an argument that we should teach it, and eventually the switch will be natural.  My daughter just had a workbook on units and 90 percent of the pages were on imperial. If we taught it in schools there would be no argument about switching, we would just eventually switch.

And yes,if you're going to use it in medicine and engineering then you can't have a school system that doesn't prepare future workers for that.

I'm fine with teaching it in schools. There's nothing inherently wrong with the metric system. But even with people who can mentally switch without much problem, there will still be untold billions that would need to be spent changing things over, and this country can't even agree to stop using the penny. I also don't think that "confusion with the system of measurements" is a factor that's preventing people from going into engineering or medicine. Units of measurement are such a low hurdle to anyone of moderate intelligence that it's a reach to claim that we would be bettering our workforce to remove that low hurdle. Units of measurement are probably the least challenging parts of those fields.

I never said confusion with units were a hurdle preventing people from going into these areas.  But do you really want a medical environment to be the first time somebody starts using the metric system for real?


And by medical environment you mean medical/nursing school? Because you're not working in a medical environment until you pass your classes and licensing exams. If you walk into school somehow knowing nothing of the metric system but learn it and pass, then I have no issue with them at all. The metric system isn't inherently difficult. It's the switching to it that's a biatch.
 
2020-05-22 7:43:41 PM  
2 votes:

shut_it_down: rga184:As I posted above, there's significant cost, efficiency and safety reasons to switch.

For me, I can tell you that if I had to calculate a dose of ounces per pound of a microounce per teaspoon medication and measure it out for a 220 lb patient, it's a lot more complicated and error prone than to do it in SI.

The products you use,many of which you rey on for safety, will have similar considerations.  It is a reason why a lot of industries as it is use metric.

The problem is, you still have to bring people into that system, so not teaching this stuff to kids in school is a problem.  Maybe you're too old to change, but the argument that it's going to cost us neglects other costs involved.  From manufacturing costs to safety and health costs.  It's not just about it being midly more convenient, it's that it's universally simpler and therefore cheaper and safer.

And yes, you are stubborn.  You are literally arguing to keep using a system that every country that used to use it, abandoned.  Including the country that invented it.

Medicine and engineering already use metric. You're trying to make the argument that we should go further, and there's just no compelling reason to. The costs to switching everything else over to metric would be astronomical. NASA alone would spend $370 million to convert, not to mention every other agency and state government. Every road sign on 4 million miles of roads would have to change. So why don't you convince some people to do studies quantifying the benefits of metric. Otherwise we're just arguing about how you feel about it, and that's pointless. You don't even seem to understand my position. I'm not arguing to keep a system. I'm arguing that there is not a compelling enough reason to change.

I can also do without the "every other country does it this way" argument. That's textbook bandwagon fallacy.


I'm making an argument that we should teach it, and eventually the switch will be natural.  My daughter just had a workbook on units and 90 percent of the pages were on imperial. If we taught it in schools there would be no argument about switching, we would just eventually switch.

And yes,if you're going to use it in medicine and engineering then you can't have a school system that doesn't prepare future workers for that.
 
2020-05-22 6:41:24 PM  
2 votes:

shut_it_down: rga184: shut_it_down: rga184: Of course.  The point being that I don't have to Google anything to get it done in metric.  There's not even a conversion.  300g of water is 300cc.  Boom, done.

And sure, that might be handy the handful of times it comes up. But it's not nearly handy enough to be a compelling argument to change an entire country's units of measurement. Especially nowadays when we don't even have to look up from what we're doing to ask Alexa for a conversion.

It is the simplest example of convenience.  If you're designing a product with 5000 parts that have to fit together, suddenly not having to deal with 1/64 of an inch a few thousand times starts to get easier.

The truth is, it's just more convenient in every way, and the only argument you have for it NOT being more convenient is that it's inconvenient for you to change.

That isn't a compelling argument not to change.

You're misapplying the burden. I don't have to come up with any argument not to change. All I have to do is go back to ignoring this issue entirely, and I get my way. You're also ignoring the fact that there's a huge difference between "It would be better like this" and "you should undo how you do things now and redo it like this." You're only arguing the former and you're not contending with the latter. The undoing of a previous system is a huge problem for your side.

Say an architect walked into my house and said "you know, it would be way better for you to have 11' ceilings instead of 10' ceilings. Airflow would be better, your windows would be a more standard height, and your home would be architecturally consistent with your neighbors." Even if that is all true, those aren't compelling enough reasons for me to spend tens of thousands of dollars to tear my home in half to add a foot in height to my walls. Like it or not, the argument for metrification largely ignores how expensive and disruptive the change would be. Meanwhile, the benefits are either marginal (oh fun, I can measure milk with a scale now) or for limited to certain specialized sectors (medicine, engineering). If you can't point to a real, tangible benefit for everyday people, then your argument will never go anywhere.

If you want it to change, you guys are the ones who have to convince us that the expense and frustration involved is worth it. Instead, the arguments always come down to "you dumb Americans will get over it" and "certain tasks will be a bit simplified once you manage to figure out what's going on." I don't have to convince you of anything. I just have to walk away from the argument and I win. I feel like I come into every one of these threads and explain exactly where the arguments by the metric proponents is failing, but the response is usually that I am uneducated or stubborn. I'm not either, you guys just aren't persuasive.


As I posted above, there's significant cost, efficiency and safety reasons to switch.

For me, I can tell you that if I had to calculate a dose of ounces per pound of a microounce per teaspoon medication and measure it out for a 220 lb patient, it's a lot more complicated and error prone than to do it in SI.

The products you use,many of which you rey on for safety, will have similar considerations.  It is a reason why a lot of industries as it is use metric.

The problem is, you still have to bring people into that system, so not teaching this stuff to kids in school is a problem.  Maybe you're too old to change, but the argument that it's going to cost us neglects other costs involved.  From manufacturing costs to safety and health costs.  It's not just about it being midly more convenient, it's that it's universally simpler and therefore cheaper and safer.

And yes, you are stubborn.  You are literally arguing to keep using a system that every country that used to use it, abandoned.  Including the country that invented it.
 
2020-05-22 6:20:09 PM  
2 votes:

shut_it_down: Magruda: And we shouldn't have to put warning labels on everything but we live with stupid people.

So who cares about how confused hundreds of millions of people will be. They're idiots anyway and the change would be marginally useful for engineers who are already using metric. And as a trade off, the average person will be able to imprecisely measure milk by using a scale instead of a measuring cup. How useful!


No, lazy person.  You teach it to kids much more extensively so they grow up with it.  In other places you use the units side by side so people can get a sense of, for example, what 55 mph is in kph.

Lots of countries made the change.  Are you saying that this country is less capable of taking on a simple task than every other country that changes?  Or is it just you?
 
2020-05-22 6:16:30 PM  
2 votes:

Ranolin: shut_it_down: rga184: Of course.  The point being that I don't have to Google anything to get it done in metric.  There's not even a conversion.  300g of water is 300cc.  Boom, done.

And sure, that might be handy the handful of times it comes up. But it's not nearly handy enough to be a compelling argument to change an entire country's units of measurement. Especially nowadays when we don't even have to look up from what we're doing to ask Alexa for a conversion.

The reason to change is largely engineering.  There are international standards for things like electronics, IEEE
Universal Serial Bus, my having a shared standard we can make things in different countries and then they could even work together!!

The International System of Units is one such standard that is kept up to date

People should not have to be convinced to move like its a pain for us to change, we are literally the pain for everyone else to have to use an old, outdated, crappy system so we can still get the same rods per hogshead.

Its Bullss.....loney


Imagine all the companies that make everything from scales, thermometers, cars, micrometers, etc, that require a button or switch to convert from SI to imperial.   Then of course there's the opportunity for error.  Did they load 1000 gallons or liters of fuel into that plane?  Think that's silly?  It's actually happened.  Having standards that every country follows isn't just cheaper and more efficient, it can even be safer.

\ but having to think is so haaaaaaaard!
 
2020-05-22 2:58:07 PM  
2 votes:
Interestingly or not, all the hospital measurements are in metric in the US.  I order fluids by the mL or Liter, or measure my cubic centimeter.

Mesh or wounds are measured in centimter.  BMI is calculated in metric. I really don't understand why we don't switch over

/my fist is 8cm, works great as a ruler
 
2020-05-22 2:53:34 PM  
2 votes:

rga184: FlippityFlap: Magruda: BigKaboom: I remember when the metric system was tried here in the U.S.of A. People biatched how hard it was. Too foreign for ' Murica! Apes is the right description.

I remember when that stubbornness caused us to crash a mars rover. They actually teach that in school instead of teaching the metric system.

We learned it in grade school in the 70's, before they decided to tank that. Let's see, spend 5 minutes converting units, or move a decimal point a few places and learn the prefix names? Hmmm.....

I need 300mL of water.  I don't have a measuring cup but I have a scale.

No problem.

Try that with idiot units.


That trick only works with pure water. Try that with anything else and your measurement will be off.
 
2020-05-22 2:42:50 PM  
2 votes:

NetOwl: BigKaboom: I remember when the metric system was tried here in the U.S.of A. People biatched how hard it was. Too foreign for ' Murica! Apes is the right description.


There's no real reason to use the metric system, and in some ways, it's worse.  Feet are better than meters, and Fahrenheit is better than Celsius for the weather.  And this may come as a surprise to Europe, but we do use metric for science, anyway.

Calling people apes (which is technically right, but I doubt your intent was to technically right, or else you would have called everyone apes) just because they don't want to have to re-calibrate their intuition for every measurement they make in everyday life is a bit much.

Something as fundamental to the way we think as our measurement system is not easy to change once you're an adult.  It requires far more adjustment than metric system proponents will admit, and there's no reason to force that on millions of people who are getting along just fine already.


Ok boomer.
 
2020-05-22 2:40:38 PM  
2 votes:

Subtonic: Another navel-gazing defeatist puff piece that adds no insight or possible solutions. But hey, it got to say 'F*ck it" 50 times so that's pretty cool.


No, the insight this piece adds is that we are not exceptional.  We aren't even mediocre.  The sooner we face that stark reality, the sooner things improve.

But it has to start with stopping this practice of considering ourselves awesome.
 
2020-05-22 2:25:10 PM  
2 votes:

BigKaboom: I remember when the metric system was tried here in the U.S.of A. People biatched how hard it was. Too foreign for ' Murica! Apes is the right description.


Well. We do sell drugs by the gram.

Cycling has largely moved to metric.  All the bolts are metric Allen in decent bikes.  Mountain bike wheels are the last remnant of using inches.  Everything else,crank lengths, hub spacing, disk brake rotors sizing is in mm.
 
2020-05-22 1:22:06 PM  
2 votes:

duke3522: NetOwl: BigKaboom: I remember when the metric system was tried here in the U.S.of A. People biatched how hard it was. Too foreign for ' Murica! Apes is the right description.


There's no real reason to use the metric system, and in some ways, it's worse.  Feet are better than meters, and Fahrenheit is better than Celsius for the weather.  And this may come as a surprise to Europe, but we do use metric for science, anyway.

Calling people apes (which is technically right, but I doubt your intent was to technically right, or else you would have called everyone apes) just because they don't want to have to re-calibrate their intuition for every measurement they make in everyday life is a bit much.

Something as fundamental to the way we think as our measurement system is not easy to change once you're an adult.  It requires far more adjustment than metric system proponents will admit, and there's no reason to force that on millions of people who are getting along just fine already.

Nonsense! In 1979 we were 2/3s of the way to the change over. Here in Indiana anyway the road mileage signs had been changed, the weather was being reported in both F and C. If Reagan would have left it alone, we would be calling feet and inches the old system by now.  Stopping the change over to the metric system was a huge victory of anti intellectuals


Exactly - "we dont wanna"
 
2020-05-22 1:20:59 PM  
2 votes:

shut_it_down: NetOwl: BigKaboom: I remember when the metric system was tried here in the U.S.of A. People biatched how hard it was. Too foreign for ' Murica! Apes is the right description.


There's no real reason to use the metric system, and in some ways, it's worse.  Feet are better than meters, and Fahrenheit is better than Celsius for the weather.  And this may come as a surprise to Europe, but we do use metric for science, anyway.

Calling people apes (which is technically right, but I doubt your intent was to technically right, or else you would have called everyone apes) just because they don't want to have to re-calibrate their intuition for every measurement they make in everyday life is a bit much.

Something as fundamental to the way we think as our measurement system is not easy to change once you're an adult. It requires far more adjustment than metric system proponents will admit, and there's no reason to force that on millions of people who are getting along just fine already.

That's really the issue that people tend to ignore. The benefits for everyday life are wildly overblown, and it really is a colossal mental shift to people who use imperial units for their everyday perceptions of the world. It's really not dissimilar to telling an entire country that they all have to start speaking in a new language. People also seem to think that we spend literally years of school learning imperial units. We really don't. And we learn metric units in school just as we would any other unit of measurement that we didn't previously use. For 99% of Americans, imperial units are a complete non-issue. The only place where metric would be useful is cooking, because tablespoons to teaspoons to cups to ounces is just annoying. But gallons, miles, feet, and fahrenheit work just fine for our day to day uses.

The proponents for universal metrification have no recent studies on how much it would cost or how much it might save. Everything they cite tracks back to an op-ed from 1915 ab ...


Well, I guess you don't science much then. I've had to re-learn just about every facet of my career in IT, many times over in the last 30 years. It can be done, and in fact it's probably good for your brain.
 
2020-05-22 1:20:36 PM  
2 votes:
Not being metric hurts the US when competing globally in industry.
I work in product r&d and new product development. We work in metric and english measurements as needed, but metric is massively preferred. We ran into a major issue very recently where we are trying to design and fast track production for a medical product which has seen Covid 19 massively increase its demand.
We are trying to produce it with 2 contract manufacturers, one in Asia and one in the US. They use different systems so we have to develop 2 almost identical designs which are minutely different due to the available tooling at each site. Conpletely different drawing packages now have to be generated and revved through production. This is a clusterfark and adds a ton of risk.
Imagine if you are an international company looking at using a CM in each country. One uses the same system as the rest of the world, and the other uses it's own base 12 system. It's never going to be the final driver (cost usually is) but it definitely does not help.
 
2020-05-22 1:14:30 PM  
2 votes:

RasIanI: Too many Americans just don't wanna - and until about 2000 they didnt hafta. Dont like converting from metric to Imperial measurements? Don't don't sell your s*** here.

Infrastructure like high speed railways? Why bother when we have all these interstates and personal automobiles? Mass transit = people who are too weird or two poor to have a car. F*** 'em.

Universal Healthcare?? What do you not have a good job? Sounds like a personal problem - and besides, the healthcare sector produces a lot of money for its employees and shareholders.

All of these things require a paradigm shift in thinking and there are some very vested interests out there that want to ensure that never happens en masse.

Better to just keep talking about Americans are exceptional.


.....p.s. - it's interesting because the myth of American Exceptionalism is starting to sound an awful lot like the white supremacy narrative sold to poor whites as a way to get them to buy into supporting the big agra-capitalist in the South re: segregation and Jim Crow. "You're one of Us, Bubba - seriously. We're all on the same team together against the negro...and communists - and whatever other bogeyman I can come up with that will enable you to see me is your protector while I pick your pocket."
 
2020-05-22 12:31:16 PM  
2 votes:

theToadMan: Nadie_AZ: I need to watch or read some stuff on the fall of the British Empire. It happened pretty fast, actually. Are we gonna beat that?

All empires/superpowers end. Does Americas end like the UK (ignoring the past few years) or France as they more drifted off to a softer landing or a hard cratering crash like the Soviet Union.
I'd bet on a harder landing than the collapse of the USSR because of the reasons in the article


England basically just transferred their empire to the US during the Marshal Plan.
 
2020-05-22 11:41:01 AM  
2 votes:
archer metric system
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2020-05-23 7:26:50 PM  
1 vote:

rga184: Gpzjock: Kit Fister: I think this perfectly sums up rga184:

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Oh come now Mr Kister, I live in a country where SI and Imperial sit side by side happily, nobody throws tantrums about the roadsigns being in MPH or the beer sold in pints, neither do they whine about being sold kilos of vegetables, butchers even put both prices on their tickets in the chiller, £/lb and £/kg. Maybe America can manage the same without y'all getting all 2nd Amendment about it or even throwing biatchy memes at each other.

/Nah,
//not gonna
///happen.

There's an adage in error analysis that says that any system that allows for an error to occur, will produce that error.

You cannot have conversion errors if you don't have conversions.  I have personally seen and caught those errors, and they would have been detrimental to my patients' wellbeing if I hadn't caught them.  If that makes me "stop liking what I don't like" kid, guilty.


Convertion errors are of no consequence in selling meat, beer or even writing the Highway Code, when all your science and medicine is done in SI it needs no convertion. The UK only kept Imperial units where it didn't matter and there was no danger to the public. It does help folk get a handle on fractions nicely too, as I mentioned before.
 
2020-05-22 8:01:09 PM  
1 vote:

rga184: I'm making an argument that we should teach it, and eventually the switch will be natural.  My daughter just had a workbook on units and 90 percent of the pages were on imperial. If we taught it in schools there would be no argument about switching, we would just eventually switch.

And yes,if you're going to use it in medicine and engineering then you can't have a school system that doesn't prepare future workers for that.


I'm fine with teaching it in schools. There's nothing inherently wrong with the metric system. But even with people who can mentally switch without much problem, there will still be untold billions that would need to be spent changing things over, and this country can't even agree to stop using the penny. I also don't think that "confusion with the system of measurements" is a factor that's preventing people from going into engineering or medicine. Units of measurement are such a low hurdle to anyone of moderate intelligence that it's a reach to claim that we would be bettering our workforce to remove that low hurdle. Units of measurement are probably the least challenging parts of those fields.
 
2020-05-22 6:54:17 PM  
1 vote:

rga184: It should be telling that the empire that gave us imperial units changed to SI.

But we can't.


We use both. We've used both for at least the 33 years I've been alive in different applications. Why don't you go yell at Quebec for insisting on using English & French instead of just English?

Christ, so many people take such pride in speaking more than one language that they'll denigrate people who only speak one, but utilize more than one system of measurement to their one and suddenly you're the stubborn troglodyte.

I'll start using the metric system exclusively when the rest of the world speaks one language exclusively. And until someone figures out a way to make that happen, exclusive use of scientific units isn't going to happen either.
 
2020-05-22 6:50:04 PM  
1 vote:

rga184: Ranolin: shut_it_down: rga184: Of course.  The point being that I don't have to Google anything to get it done in metric.  There's not even a conversion.  300g of water is 300cc.  Boom, done.

And sure, that might be handy the handful of times it comes up. But it's not nearly handy enough to be a compelling argument to change an entire country's units of measurement. Especially nowadays when we don't even have to look up from what we're doing to ask Alexa for a conversion.

The reason to change is largely engineering.  There are international standards for things like electronics, IEEE
Universal Serial Bus, my having a shared standard we can make things in different countries and then they could even work together!!

The International System of Units is one such standard that is kept up to date

People should not have to be convinced to move like its a pain for us to change, we are literally the pain for everyone else to have to use an old, outdated, crappy system so we can still get the same rods per hogshead.

Its Bullss.....loney

Imagine all the companies that make everything from scales, thermometers, cars, micrometers, etc, that require a button or switch to convert from SI to imperial.   Then of course there's the opportunity for error.  Did they load 1000 gallons or liters of fuel into that plane?  Think that's silly?  It's actually happened. Having standards that every country follows isn't just cheaper and more efficient, it can even be safer.

\ but having to think is so haaaaaaaard!


Yep, this thread reminded me of this story: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/​Gimli_Gl​ider
 
2020-05-22 6:29:50 PM  
1 vote:

rga184: shut_it_down: rga184: Of course.  The point being that I don't have to Google anything to get it done in metric.  There's not even a conversion.  300g of water is 300cc.  Boom, done.

And sure, that might be handy the handful of times it comes up. But it's not nearly handy enough to be a compelling argument to change an entire country's units of measurement. Especially nowadays when we don't even have to look up from what we're doing to ask Alexa for a conversion.

It is the simplest example of convenience.  If you're designing a product with 5000 parts that have to fit together, suddenly not having to deal with 1/64 of an inch a few thousand times starts to get easier.

The truth is, it's just more convenient in every way, and the only argument you have for it NOT being more convenient is that it's inconvenient for you to change.

That isn't a compelling argument not to change.


You're misapplying the burden. I don't have to come up with any argument not to change. All I have to do is go back to ignoring this issue entirely, and I get my way. You're also ignoring the fact that there's a huge difference between "It would be better like this" and "you should undo how you do things now and redo it like this." You're only arguing the former and you're not contending with the latter. The undoing of a previous system is a huge problem for your side.

Say an architect walked into my house and said "you know, it would be way better for you to have 11' ceilings instead of 10' ceilings. Airflow would be better, your windows would be a more standard height, and your home would be architecturally consistent with your neighbors." Even if that is all true, those aren't compelling enough reasons for me to spend tens of thousands of dollars to tear my home in half to add a foot in height to my walls. Like it or not, the argument for metrification largely ignores how expensive and disruptive the change would be. Meanwhile, the benefits are either marginal (oh fun, I can measure milk with a scale now) or for limited to certain specialized sectors (medicine, engineering). If you can't point to a real, tangible benefit for everyday people, then your argument will never go anywhere.

If you want it to change, you guys are the ones who have to convince us that the expense and frustration involved is worth it. Instead, the arguments always come down to "you dumb Americans will get over it" and "certain tasks will be a bit simplified once you manage to figure out what's going on." I don't have to convince you of anything. I just have to walk away from the argument and I win. I feel like I come into every one of these threads and explain exactly where the arguments by the metric proponents is failing, but the response is usually that I am uneducated or stubborn. I'm not either, you guys just aren't persuasive.
 
2020-05-22 6:23:22 PM  
1 vote:
It should be telling that the empire that gave us imperial units changed to SI.

But we can't.
 
2020-05-22 6:10:59 PM  
1 vote:

shut_it_down: rga184: Of course.  The point being that I don't have to Google anything to get it done in metric.  There's not even a conversion.  300g of water is 300cc.  Boom, done.

And sure, that might be handy the handful of times it comes up. But it's not nearly handy enough to be a compelling argument to change an entire country's units of measurement. Especially nowadays when we don't even have to look up from what we're doing to ask Alexa for a conversion.


It is the simplest example of convenience.  If you're designing a product with 5000 parts that have to fit together, suddenly not having to deal with 1/64 of an inch a few thousand times starts to get easier.

The truth is, it's just more convenient in every way, and the only argument you have for it NOT being more convenient is that it's inconvenient for you to change.

That isn't a compelling argument not to change.
 
2020-05-22 4:20:37 PM  
1 vote:

Magruda: CthulhuCalling: Magruda: CthulhuCalling: The metric system is a strange hill for this edgy hipster to choose to die on, but fark it, I guess we'll go collect our half dozen flags on the Moon and go home.

Think of those flags like the remains of Roman roads or the Pyramids. Relics of a dead society that could not prevent it's own collapse thanks to hubris.

Ah another advocate piling on with the pointless navel gazing. It's a long weekend, I can see you're going to be jerking off both literally and metaphorically.

only if i keep reading your posts
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Yet here we are.

Today I learned that the space program was nothing but hubris.

Don't forget the Jergen's
 
2020-05-22 3:56:12 PM  
1 vote:

Ranolin: shut_it_down: rga184: Of course.  The point being that I don't have to Google anything to get it done in metric.  There's not even a conversion.  300g of water is 300cc.  Boom, done.

And sure, that might be handy the handful of times it comes up. But it's not nearly handy enough to be a compelling argument to change an entire country's units of measurement. Especially nowadays when we don't even have to look up from what we're doing to ask Alexa for a conversion.

The reason to change is largely engineering.  There are international standards for things like electronics, IEEE
Universal Serial Bus, my having a shared standard we can make things in different countries and then they could even work together!!

The International System of Units is one such standard that is kept up to date

People should not have to be convinced to move like its a pain for us to change, we are literally the pain for everyone else to have to use an old, outdated, crappy system so we can still get the same rods per hogshead.

Its Bullss.....loney


Lots of industries in America use metric for this reason, and they are absolutely free to do so. But it doesn't need to be a national, mandated change.
 
2020-05-22 3:45:46 PM  
1 vote:

Excelsior: shut_it_down: rga184: FlippityFlap: Magruda: BigKaboom: I remember when the metric system was tried here in the U.S.of A. People biatched how hard it was. Too foreign for ' Murica! Apes is the right description.

I remember when that stubbornness caused us to crash a mars rover. They actually teach that in school instead of teaching the metric system.

We learned it in grade school in the 70's, before they decided to tank that. Let's see, spend 5 minutes converting units, or move a decimal point a few places and learn the prefix names? Hmmm.....

I need 300mL of water.  I don't have a measuring cup but I have a scale.

No problem.

Try that with idiot units.

That trick only works with pure water. Try that with anything else and your measurement will be off.

Yeah, that 3% difference between the weight of water and milk is really going to make all the difference.


What is this milk measuring scenario where you can get away with a fuzzy measurements but you can't take ten seconds to look up an actual conversion? Are you a contestant on Chopped?
 
2020-05-22 3:39:53 PM  
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rga184: Of course.  The point being that I don't have to Google anything to get it done in metric.  There's not even a conversion.  300g of water is 300cc.  Boom, done.


And sure, that might be handy the handful of times it comes up. But it's not nearly handy enough to be a compelling argument to change an entire country's units of measurement. Especially nowadays when we don't even have to look up from what we're doing to ask Alexa for a conversion.
 
2020-05-22 3:32:39 PM  
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Magruda: CthulhuCalling: The metric system is a strange hill for this edgy hipster to choose to die on, but fark it, I guess we'll go collect our half dozen flags on the Moon and go home.

Think of those flags like the remains of Roman roads or the Pyramids. Relics of a dead society that could not prevent it's own collapse thanks to hubris.


...that are all now bleached white due to the hard solar radiation that has been beating down on them for decades.

Atmosphere, it is good for more than just the breathing of a bunch of nearly hairless apes.
 
2020-05-22 2:58:26 PM  
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shut_it_down: rga184: FlippityFlap: Magruda: BigKaboom: I remember when the metric system was tried here in the U.S.of A. People biatched how hard it was. Too foreign for ' Murica! Apes is the right description.

I remember when that stubbornness caused us to crash a mars rover. They actually teach that in school instead of teaching the metric system.

We learned it in grade school in the 70's, before they decided to tank that. Let's see, spend 5 minutes converting units, or move a decimal point a few places and learn the prefix names? Hmmm.....

I need 300mL of water.  I don't have a measuring cup but I have a scale.

No problem.

Try that with idiot units.

That trick only works with pure water. Try that with anything else and your measurement will be off.


Yes.  It only works with pure water.  But if you weigh the water and make marks on the glass you are using, you have yourself a measuring cup.

Checkers, Liberia.
 
2020-05-22 2:42:55 PM  
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Geotpf: twistedsteel5252: edmo: There will never be another "greatest generation." They were it.

They could be Assholes too. They once sent a boatload of Jewish refugees back to nazi Germany

Also remember their general attitude towards African Americans.


The greatest generation: "hey we gave "I love Lucy's" husband a pass. He was rich after all. That and "the honeymooners" was wholesome entertainment where we joked about beating our wives yuk yuk yuk".
 
2020-05-22 2:18:45 PM  
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FlippityFlap:Well, I guess you don't science much then. I've had to re-learn just about every facet of my career in IT, many times over in the last 30 years. It can be done, and in fact it's probably good for your brain.

Not much anymore, but I do have a STEM degree. Learning the necessary metric units was just not a big deal. I understand metric just fine, but I just don't see why it is demonstrably better for the vast majority of everyday applications. You also mention having to re-learn everything over the last 30 years. Even presuming that's true, why is it better to make an entire country re-learn everything instead of just the people who actually need it? For most day to day applications, metric is at best a lateral move. Would it be better if America just always had the metric system? Maybe. But once a system is in place you need a really compelling reason to tear it down and replace it, and there just really isn't one. I could spend 30 hours driving to my brother's house 2000 miles away and never come within 500 miles of a country that uses metric. Why in the world does it matter that I'm measuring my distance in miles or my gas in gallons, or that all the relevant signs along the way express information in these terms that everyone reading them completely understands.
 
2020-05-22 2:10:47 PM  
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FlippityFlap: Magruda: Magruda: RasIanI: Magruda: CthulhuCalling: The metric system is a strange hill for this edgy hipster to choose to die on, but fark it, I guess we'll go collect our half dozen flags on the Moon and go home.

Think of those flags like the remains of Roman roads or the Pyramids. Relics of a dead society that could not prevent it's own collapse thanks to hubris.

And it funny, because all the calculations for those missions out of NASA were in metric.

Actually.....

It funny because NASA not using metric is what led to the Mars rover crash.

Wasn't it in fact a bad conversion from Imperial to metric that cratered it? I cannot recall exactly...


Control software supplied by Lockheed was programmed to output in non-SI units (in violation of the production contract); the craft was programmed for inputs in SI units.

/naturally, bad things happened
//imperial units suck
///especially the BTU/lbm
 
2020-05-22 1:58:27 PM  
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Magruda: Magruda: RasIanI: Magruda: CthulhuCalling: The metric system is a strange hill for this edgy hipster to choose to die on, but fark it, I guess we'll go collect our half dozen flags on the Moon and go home.

Think of those flags like the remains of Roman roads or the Pyramids. Relics of a dead society that could not prevent it's own collapse thanks to hubris.

And it funny, because all the calculations for those missions out of NASA were in metric.

Actually.....

It funny because NASA not using metric is what led to the Mars rover crash.


Wasn't it in fact a bad conversion from Imperial to metric that cratered it? I cannot recall exactly...
 
2020-05-22 1:27:43 PM  
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The metric system is literally the best and easiest system. It's elegantly simple both in vocabulary and ease of use via it's base 10 system.

Ask any random American how many teaspoons are in a gallon and they won't know and worse, they won't be sure how to start figuring it out. They'll immediately reach for their phone.
 
2020-05-22 1:13:28 PM  
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CthulhuCalling: Magruda: CthulhuCalling: The metric system is a strange hill for this edgy hipster to choose to die on, but fark it, I guess we'll go collect our half dozen flags on the Moon and go home.

Think of those flags like the remains of Roman roads or the Pyramids. Relics of a dead society that could not prevent it's own collapse thanks to hubris.

Ah another advocate piling on with the pointless navel gazing. It's a long weekend, I can see you're going to be jerking off both literally and metaphorically.


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2020-05-22 12:59:45 PM  
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NetOwl: BigKaboom: I remember when the metric system was tried here in the U.S.of A. People biatched how hard it was. Too foreign for ' Murica! Apes is the right description.


There's no real reason to use the metric system, and in some ways, it's worse.  Feet are better than meters, and Fahrenheit is better than Celsius for the weather.  And this may come as a surprise to Europe, but we do use metric for science, anyway.

Calling people apes (which is technically right, but I doubt your intent was to technically right, or else you would have called everyone apes) just because they don't want to have to re-calibrate their intuition for every measurement they make in everyday life is a bit much.

Something as fundamental to the way we think as our measurement system is not easy to change once you're an adult.  It requires far more adjustment than metric system proponents will admit, and there's no reason to force that on millions of people who are getting along just fine already.


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2020-05-22 12:38:19 PM  
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TaDu: When I was younger, I thought that the foolish choices made by characters in monster movies was just bad writing in order to advance the plot.  The last few years has revealed it to be the terrifying truth of human nature.


Yep. (._.)
 
2020-05-22 12:29:46 PM  
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edmo: There will never be another "greatest generation." They were it.


They weren't that - look at the kids they raised. No "greatest generation" produces that result.
 
2020-05-22 12:21:53 PM  
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edmo: There will never be another "greatest generation." They were it.


I dunno; that generation isn't exactly spotless, either.
 
2020-05-22 12:21:43 PM  
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Its amazing how many people in those videos are fat.  Coincidence?  I think not.
 
2020-05-22 12:02:01 PM  
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Faith No More - RV
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This should replace the Star Spangled Banner as the national anthem.
 
2020-05-22 12:00:40 PM  
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FTA: When the going gets tough, we say, "Fark it."

Well, he's not wrong, but not completely accurate. The last three-plus years has been more like: When the going gets tough, we say, "Hold my beer," with a dash of "Fark you, I won't do what you tell me!"
 
2020-05-22 11:59:34 AM  
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BigKaboom: I remember when the metric system was tried here in the U.S.of A. People biatched how hard it was. Too foreign for ' Murica! Apes is the right description.



There's no real reason to use the metric system, and in some ways, it's worse.  Feet are better than meters, and Fahrenheit is better than Celsius for the weather.  And this may come as a surprise to Europe, but we do use metric for science, anyway.

Calling people apes (which is technically right, but I doubt your intent was to technically right, or else you would have called everyone apes) just because they don't want to have to re-calibrate their intuition for every measurement they make in everyday life is a bit much.

Something as fundamental to the way we think as our measurement system is not easy to change once you're an adult.  It requires far more adjustment than metric system proponents will admit, and there's no reason to force that on millions of people who are getting along just fine already.
 
2020-05-22 11:53:39 AM  
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Esroc: TaDu: When I was younger, I thought that the foolish choices made by characters in monster movies was just bad writing in order to advance the plot.  The last few years has revealed it to be the terrifying truth of human nature.

Currently re-watching the Walking Dead. I gave up on it back in the day because I got tired of literally everyone on the show being unrepentant murderous dickbags. Seemed unlikely to me that absolutely everyone would turn into a monster. But now I'm older and more cynical. And in light of the recent behavior during this administration and the pandemic I realize that, at least in the United States, nearly everyone absolutely would degenerate into animals if society collapsed and eat anyone who didn't.

COVID-19: Making The Walking Dead watchable again.


Walking Dead is a good analogy.  Some of us are in Alexandria while some of us are whistling while tearing down defenses and murdering people.  I guess wheezing, not whistling.
 
2020-05-22 11:51:38 AM  
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I've been assured by our public education system that the metric system is for Europeans and homos.
 
2020-05-22 11:50:34 AM  
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Well yea, we're riding this out through at least January 20, 2021 without any kind of effective federal response, and probably longer if the Republicans maintain a senate majority, so "fark it" is pretty much the only option left.
 
2020-05-22 11:47:35 AM  
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Another navel-gazing defeatist puff piece that adds no insight or possible solutions. But hey, it got to say 'F*ck it" 50 times so that's pretty cool.
 
2020-05-22 11:07:26 AM  
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TaDu: When I was younger, I thought that the foolish choices made by characters in monster movies was just bad writing in order to advance the plot.  The last few years has revealed it to be the terrifying truth of human nature.


Why do you think we show them to teens?  They are not yet old enough to realize the terrible, horrible truth.  That is why adults avoid them; they are just too depressing.

"Yes.  That is Bob.  And Marlene.  And I empathize with the guy staring at them hiding behind the chain-saw curtain."

On a similar vein, I really want that commercial turned into an actual movie.
 
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