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2020-05-22 12:06:39 PM  

Nadie_AZ: I need to watch or read some stuff on the fall of the British Empire. It happened pretty fast, actually. Are we gonna beat that?


All empires/superpowers end. Does Americas end like the UK (ignoring the past few years) or France as they more drifted off to a softer landing or a hard cratering crash like the Soviet Union.
I'd bet on a harder landing than the collapse of the USSR because of the reasons in the article
 
2020-05-22 12:07:44 PM  

edmo: There will never be another "greatest generation." They were it.


They could be Assholes too. They once sent a boatload of Jewish refugees back to nazi Germany
 
2020-05-22 12:11:16 PM  

ElwoodCuse: we were right to reject the metric system. that shiat is for science labs, not weather reports or highways


I agree with you on almost everything.

This is where I strongly disagree with you. Converting to metric would be of enormous benefit. The small, uncomfortable period of adjustment would be worth it.

I'd prefer to convert to Celsius, as well, but I'm already asking too much with metric.
 
2020-05-22 12:12:00 PM  
What part of "making America great again" doesn't the author understand?
 
2020-05-22 12:12:04 PM  

NetOwl: BigKaboom: I remember when the metric system was tried here in the U.S.of A. People biatched how hard it was. Too foreign for ' Murica! Apes is the right description.


There's no real reason to use the metric system, and in some ways, it's worse.  Feet are better than meters, and Fahrenheit is better than Celsius for the weather.  And this may come as a surprise to Europe, but we do use metric for science, anyway.

Calling people apes (which is technically right, but I doubt your intent was to technically right, or else you would have called everyone apes) just because they don't want to have to re-calibrate their intuition for every measurement they make in everyday life is a bit much.

Something as fundamental to the way we think as our measurement system is not easy to change once you're an adult.  It requires far more adjustment than metric system proponents will admit, and there's no reason to force that on millions of people who are getting along just fine already.


I kind of hate measuring in feet due to having to work with fractions, though. Figuring out half of 15 3/8" is not nearly as easy to do in your head as half of 39 cm. Replace all of the yardsticks with meter sticks and everything is much easier to deal with.
 
2020-05-22 12:13:31 PM  

Magruda: BigKaboom: I remember when the metric system was tried here in the U.S.of A. People biatched how hard it was. Too foreign for ' Murica! Apes is the right description.

I remember when that stubbornness caused us to crash a mars rover. They actually teach that in school instead of teaching the metric system.


We learned it in grade school in the 70's, before they decided to tank that. Let's see, spend 5 minutes converting units, or move a decimal point a few places and learn the prefix names? Hmmm.....
 
2020-05-22 12:14:51 PM  

NetOwl: BigKaboom: I remember when the metric system was tried here in the U.S.of A. People biatched how hard it was. Too foreign for ' Murica! Apes is the right description.


There's no real reason to use the metric system, and in some ways, it's worse.  Feet are better than meters, and Fahrenheit is better than Celsius for the weather.  And this may come as a surprise to Europe, but we do use metric for science, anyway.

Calling people apes (which is technically right, but I doubt your intent was to technically right, or else you would have called everyone apes) just because they don't want to have to re-calibrate their intuition for every measurement they make in everyday life is a bit much.

Something as fundamental to the way we think as our measurement system is not easy to change once you're an adult. It requires far more adjustment than metric system proponents will admit, and there's no reason to force that on millions of people who are getting along just fine already.


That's really the issue that people tend to ignore. The benefits for everyday life are wildly overblown, and it really is a colossal mental shift to people who use imperial units for their everyday perceptions of the world. It's really not dissimilar to telling an entire country that they all have to start speaking in a new language. People also seem to think that we spend literally years of school learning imperial units. We really don't. And we learn metric units in school just as we would any other unit of measurement that we didn't previously use. For 99% of Americans, imperial units are a complete non-issue. The only place where metric would be useful is cooking, because tablespoons to teaspoons to cups to ounces is just annoying. But gallons, miles, feet, and fahrenheit work just fine for our day to day uses.

The proponents for universal metrification have no recent studies on how much it would cost or how much it might save. Everything they cite tracks back to an op-ed from 1915 about the manhours it takes to convert units. Those numbers are trivial nowadays. They also cite a number that's way too low for the cost of metrification, since they're misreading a NASA report.
 
2020-05-22 12:21:43 PM  
Its amazing how many people in those videos are fat.  Coincidence?  I think not.
 
2020-05-22 12:21:53 PM  

edmo: There will never be another "greatest generation." They were it.


I dunno; that generation isn't exactly spotless, either.
 
2020-05-22 12:24:31 PM  

TheSubjunctive: NetOwl: is not easy to change once you're an adult

Once again, the implied admission that Canadians (and Aussies, etc) are just inherently smarter than us.

Menlo Park, Kitty Hawk, Manhattan Project, Transistors/ICs, and Apollo.  It was a damned good run people, but reversion to the mean gets to you eventually.


When you stop supporting education and actively discourage critical thinking, that's what you get.
 
2020-05-22 12:25:15 PM  

NetOwl: BigKaboom: I remember when the metric system was tried here in the U.S.of A. People biatched how hard it was. Too foreign for ' Murica! Apes is the right description.


There's no real reason to use the metric system, and in some ways, it's worse.  Feet are better than meters, and Fahrenheit is better than Celsius for the weather.  And this may come as a surprise to Europe, but we do use metric for science, anyway.

Calling people apes (which is technically right, but I doubt your intent was to technically right, or else you would have called everyone apes) just because they don't want to have to re-calibrate their intuition for every measurement they make in everyday life is a bit much.

Something as fundamental to the way we think as our measurement system is not easy to change once you're an adult.  It requires far more adjustment than metric system proponents will admit, and there's no reason to force that on millions of people who are getting along just fine already.


I started school as the UK was just finishing metricating the whole of society. I was perfectly happy learning a base10 unitary system then switching to quarters, eighths and twelfths to do fractions. Imperial units were taught along side to boost our fraction comprehension. It worked well.
 
2020-05-22 12:26:23 PM  

harleyquinnical: Sophont: Jack Sabbath: Spot on.  We Americans are a lazy entitled breed. Some can rise above that; most don't.

More could rise above if the ones who refused to would stop stomping on them.

Too many bright, capable people are foiled again and again by a Lumbergh or a Karen whom can't stand that you might know more, might work harder, or are just different than they are, and they demand respect they haven't earned.

I never thought "foolish evil" would ever be a character alignment, but given how often people use WIZ as a dump stat, I am starting to understand why it honeslty should be, bravery so often walking a fine line with foolishness.


The abbreviation of Wisdom to Wiz disturbs me.
 
2020-05-22 12:28:30 PM  

phed: The metric system is the tool of the devil! My car gets forty rods to the hogshead and that's the way I likes it.


How many groats is a flagon of petroleum in your dysotopia of units?
 
2020-05-22 12:29:03 PM  
Republicans aren't in "fark it" mode. There is a purpose to their farkery.

They want government that helps rich people and ONLY rich people.

They don't care who else it hurts. They're pieces of shiat, not devil-may-care cowboys jumping into a breach.

They're the assholes who shove OTHER PEOPLE into the breach.

They don't want to suffer, they want the rest of us to suffer.
 
2020-05-22 12:29:46 PM  

edmo: There will never be another "greatest generation." They were it.


They weren't that - look at the kids they raised. No "greatest generation" produces that result.
 
2020-05-22 12:30:27 PM  

Subtonic: Another navel-gazing defeatist puff piece that adds no insight or possible solutions. But hey, it got to say 'F*ck it" 50 times so that's pretty cool.


I've offered some solutions, since the problem is a psychological one, and not just economic.  If we change our minds, the economies will have to follow.

I am always roundly ignored.  Because the solutions now are much harder than just a little time out from Disneyland.
And we can't hear that shiat.  Another paychological problem.  Gosh, what is it about our exceptional culture that causes so much mental distress?

Like you don't already know.  And you love it.  Its a nation of people who are always in need of a quick fix, so nothing else matters.

When i thought like that, they put me in jail.
 
2020-05-22 12:31:16 PM  

theToadMan: Nadie_AZ: I need to watch or read some stuff on the fall of the British Empire. It happened pretty fast, actually. Are we gonna beat that?

All empires/superpowers end. Does Americas end like the UK (ignoring the past few years) or France as they more drifted off to a softer landing or a hard cratering crash like the Soviet Union.
I'd bet on a harder landing than the collapse of the USSR because of the reasons in the article


England basically just transferred their empire to the US during the Marshal Plan.
 
2020-05-22 12:32:37 PM  
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2020-05-22 12:33:15 PM  
Hey, look at those great tax cuts for the rich!
 
2020-05-22 12:34:31 PM  
That's because to roughly 1/2 of the country, those are all features, not bugs.
 
2020-05-22 12:35:02 PM  

Gpzjock: harleyquinnical: Sophont: Jack Sabbath: Spot on.  We Americans are a lazy entitled breed. Some can rise above that; most don't.

More could rise above if the ones who refused to would stop stomping on them.

Too many bright, capable people are foiled again and again by a Lumbergh or a Karen whom can't stand that you might know more, might work harder, or are just different than they are, and they demand respect they haven't earned.

I never thought "foolish evil" would ever be a character alignment, but given how often people use WIZ as a dump stat, I am starting to understand why it honeslty should be, bravery so often walking a fine line with foolishness.

The abbreviation of Wisdom to Wiz disturbs me.


Yeah! and Wiz stands for wizard but wisdom is a clerical attribute!
 
2020-05-22 12:38:19 PM  

TaDu: When I was younger, I thought that the foolish choices made by characters in monster movies was just bad writing in order to advance the plot.  The last few years has revealed it to be the terrifying truth of human nature.


Yep. (._.)
 
2020-05-22 12:38:44 PM  

NetOwl: BigKaboom: I remember when the metric system was tried here in the U.S.of A. People biatched how hard it was. Too foreign for ' Murica! Apes is the right description.


There's no real reason to use the metric system, and in some ways, it's worse.  Feet are better than meters, and Fahrenheit is better than Celsius for the weather.  And this may come as a surprise to Europe, but we do use metric for science, anyway.

Calling people apes (which is technically right, but I doubt your intent was to technically right, or else you would have called everyone apes) just because they don't want to have to re-calibrate their intuition for every measurement they make in everyday life is a bit much.

Something as fundamental to the way we think as our measurement system is not easy to change once you're an adult.  It requires far more adjustment than metric system proponents will admit, and there's no reason to force that on millions of people who are getting along just fine already.


Nonsense! In 1979 we were 2/3s of the way to the change over. Here in Indiana anyway the road mileage signs had been changed, the weather was being reported in both F and C. If Reagan would have left it alone, we would be calling feet and inches the old system by now.  Stopping the change over to the metric system was a huge victory of anti intellectuals
 
2020-05-22 12:41:18 PM  
The metric system is a strange hill for this edgy hipster to choose to die on, but fark it, I guess we'll go collect our half dozen flags on the Moon and go home.
 
2020-05-22 12:45:30 PM  

CthulhuCalling: The metric system is a strange hill for this edgy hipster to choose to die on, but fark it, I guess we'll go collect our half dozen flags on the Moon and go home.


Think of those flags like the remains of Roman roads or the Pyramids. Relics of a dead society that could not prevent it's own collapse thanks to hubris.
 
2020-05-22 12:45:59 PM  

duke3522: NetOwl: BigKaboom: I remember when the metric system was tried here in the U.S.of A. People biatched how hard it was. Too foreign for ' Murica! Apes is the right description.


There's no real reason to use the metric system, and in some ways, it's worse.  Feet are better than meters, and Fahrenheit is better than Celsius for the weather.  And this may come as a surprise to Europe, but we do use metric for science, anyway.

Calling people apes (which is technically right, but I doubt your intent was to technically right, or else you would have called everyone apes) just because they don't want to have to re-calibrate their intuition for every measurement they make in everyday life is a bit much.

Something as fundamental to the way we think as our measurement system is not easy to change once you're an adult.  It requires far more adjustment than metric system proponents will admit, and there's no reason to force that on millions of people who are getting along just fine already.

Nonsense! In 1979 we were 2/3s of the way to the change over. Here in Indiana anyway the road mileage signs had been changed, the weather was being reported in both F and C. If Reagan would have left it alone, we would be calling feet and inches the old system by now.  Stopping the change over to the metric system was a huge victory of anti intellectuals


Yes, it was, and we've been paying for it as a country ever since.

Indulging stupid is what got us President Flag Humper. And the Republicans are responsible for most of it.
 
2020-05-22 12:49:53 PM  
I'm in California, a state so far toward the blue end of the political spectrum that it's into the ultraviolet. Even the hard-left whackadoos in Sacramento couldn't make high speed rail work, at least not at a cost that wouldn't have bankrupted the state. If those guys couldn't make it happen in a place where they control all the levers of power, it ain't gonna at a national level. Ditto for single payer health care. California Democrats have fantasized about it for decades, but nobody can figure out how to get the state there, cost-wise.
 
2020-05-22 12:53:53 PM  

Nadie_AZ: I need to watch or read some stuff on the fall of the British Empire. It happened pretty fast, actually. Are we gonna beat that?


The British Empire fell because the empire itself is small, population-wise. And, it was decimated by two major wars fought just outside their front door. When enough key people were killed, or at least taken away to run the war, then all those colonies were left with a power vacuum, which was taken over by the natives. And they all had a playbook: they looked at one successful breakaway from the British Empire: the United States, and copied that system (minus the war, if possible, and choosing a better manner of electing political heads: notice no other country in the world uses an electoral college).
 
2020-05-22 12:57:55 PM  
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SHUT THE F**K UP, WORLD
 
2020-05-22 12:58:01 PM  

Smelly Pirate Hooker: duke3522: NetOwl: BigKaboom: I remember when the metric system was tried here in the U.S.of A. People biatched how hard it was. Too foreign for ' Murica! Apes is the right description.


There's no real reason to use the metric system, and in some ways, it's worse.  Feet are better than meters, and Fahrenheit is better than Celsius for the weather.  And this may come as a surprise to Europe, but we do use metric for science, anyway.

Calling people apes (which is technically right, but I doubt your intent was to technically right, or else you would have called everyone apes) just because they don't want to have to re-calibrate their intuition for every measurement they make in everyday life is a bit much.

Something as fundamental to the way we think as our measurement system is not easy to change once you're an adult.  It requires far more adjustment than metric system proponents will admit, and there's no reason to force that on millions of people who are getting along just fine already.

Nonsense! In 1979 we were 2/3s of the way to the change over. Here in Indiana anyway the road mileage signs had been changed, the weather was being reported in both F and C. If Reagan would have left it alone, we would be calling feet and inches the old system by now.  Stopping the change over to the metric system was a huge victory of anti intellectuals

Yes, it was, and we've been paying for it as a country ever since.

Indulging stupid is what got us President Flag Humper. And the Republicans are responsible for most of it.


I was there. Blue collar workers, then the solidest and maybe the biggest part of the Democratic party base, screamed bloody murder because they'd have had to buy all new tools and equipment and get trained. They wanted the government to pay for all of that if a switch was forced on the country. The Democrats got scorched and many backed down.
 
2020-05-22 12:59:45 PM  

NetOwl: BigKaboom: I remember when the metric system was tried here in the U.S.of A. People biatched how hard it was. Too foreign for ' Murica! Apes is the right description.


There's no real reason to use the metric system, and in some ways, it's worse.  Feet are better than meters, and Fahrenheit is better than Celsius for the weather.  And this may come as a surprise to Europe, but we do use metric for science, anyway.

Calling people apes (which is technically right, but I doubt your intent was to technically right, or else you would have called everyone apes) just because they don't want to have to re-calibrate their intuition for every measurement they make in everyday life is a bit much.

Something as fundamental to the way we think as our measurement system is not easy to change once you're an adult.  It requires far more adjustment than metric system proponents will admit, and there's no reason to force that on millions of people who are getting along just fine already.


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2020-05-22 1:01:43 PM  
Not being able to get it's shiat together is the hallmark feature of any superpower.

The US, China, and the old USSR & British Empire always had plenty of bugs in the system.
That's what happens when you're a big country with interests all over the world.

It's easy to have all your shiat together when you're a puny & weak biatch-ass place like Switzerland with only your own internal issues to worry about.
 
2020-05-22 1:01:52 PM  

jjorsett: I'm in California, a state so far toward the blue end of the political spectrum that it's into the ultraviolet. Even the hard-left whackadoos in Sacramento couldn't make high speed rail work, at least not at a cost that wouldn't have bankrupted the state. If those guys couldn't make it happen in a place where they control all the levers of power, it ain't gonna at a national level. Ditto for single payer health care. California Democrats have fantasized about it for decades, but nobody can figure out how to get the state there, cost-wise.


I'm certain that a few California politicians are friendlier to Pharma and insurances lobbies than their constituents plays something of a role in that.

When they say, "How are you gonna pay for that?" what they mean is "But how can my buddies get rich off that?"
 
2020-05-22 1:03:04 PM  
It's not that they can't. It's that they don't want to... because people tell them it's very much needed. You know, like children not wanting to brush their teeth before going to bed or the covidiots who refuse to do masks or social distancing even though it could save their and their loved ones' lives.

Insert a pic of trump pouting with his armes crossed like a 5 y.o. cause with my connection issues i certainly can't.
 
2020-05-22 1:09:18 PM  
Too many Americans just don't wanna - and until about 2000 they didnt hafta. Dont like converting from metric to Imperial measurements? Don't don't sell your s*** here.

Infrastructure like high speed railways? Why bother when we have all these interstates and personal automobiles? Mass transit = people who are too weird or two poor to have a car. F*** 'em.

Universal Healthcare?? What do you not have a good job? Sounds like a personal problem - and besides, the healthcare sector produces a lot of money for its employees and shareholders.

All of these things require a paradigm shift in thinking and there are some very vested interests out there that want to ensure that never happens en masse.

Better to just keep talking about Americans are exceptional.
 
2020-05-22 1:09:42 PM  

Magruda: CthulhuCalling: The metric system is a strange hill for this edgy hipster to choose to die on, but fark it, I guess we'll go collect our half dozen flags on the Moon and go home.

Think of those flags like the remains of Roman roads or the Pyramids. Relics of a dead society that could not prevent it's own collapse thanks to hubris.


Ah another advocate piling on with the pointless navel gazing. It's a long weekend, I can see you're going to be jerking off both literally and metaphorically.
 
2020-05-22 1:13:28 PM  

CthulhuCalling: Magruda: CthulhuCalling: The metric system is a strange hill for this edgy hipster to choose to die on, but fark it, I guess we'll go collect our half dozen flags on the Moon and go home.

Think of those flags like the remains of Roman roads or the Pyramids. Relics of a dead society that could not prevent it's own collapse thanks to hubris.

Ah another advocate piling on with the pointless navel gazing. It's a long weekend, I can see you're going to be jerking off both literally and metaphorically.


only if i keep reading your posts
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2020-05-22 1:14:30 PM  

RasIanI: Too many Americans just don't wanna - and until about 2000 they didnt hafta. Dont like converting from metric to Imperial measurements? Don't don't sell your s*** here.

Infrastructure like high speed railways? Why bother when we have all these interstates and personal automobiles? Mass transit = people who are too weird or two poor to have a car. F*** 'em.

Universal Healthcare?? What do you not have a good job? Sounds like a personal problem - and besides, the healthcare sector produces a lot of money for its employees and shareholders.

All of these things require a paradigm shift in thinking and there are some very vested interests out there that want to ensure that never happens en masse.

Better to just keep talking about Americans are exceptional.


.....p.s. - it's interesting because the myth of American Exceptionalism is starting to sound an awful lot like the white supremacy narrative sold to poor whites as a way to get them to buy into supporting the big agra-capitalist in the South re: segregation and Jim Crow. "You're one of Us, Bubba - seriously. We're all on the same team together against the negro...and communists - and whatever other bogeyman I can come up with that will enable you to see me is your protector while I pick your pocket."
 
2020-05-22 1:16:01 PM  
"Somehow, we're comfortable in the worst version of everything" -- or the Baby Boomers decided they didn't need to learn anything after 1979.
 
2020-05-22 1:16:11 PM  

edmo: There will never be another "greatest generation." They were it.


Ask women and minorities how great the greatest generation was.
 
2020-05-22 1:18:09 PM  

shut_it_down: NetOwl: BigKaboom: I remember when the metric system was tried here in the U.S.of A. People biatched how hard it was. Too foreign for ' Murica! Apes is the right description.


There's no real reason to use the metric system, and in some ways, it's worse.  Feet are better than meters, and Fahrenheit is better than Celsius for the weather.  And this may come as a surprise to Europe, but we do use metric for science, anyway.

Calling people apes (which is technically right, but I doubt your intent was to technically right, or else you would have called everyone apes) just because they don't want to have to re-calibrate their intuition for every measurement they make in everyday life is a bit much.

Something as fundamental to the way we think as our measurement system is not easy to change once you're an adult. It requires far more adjustment than metric system proponents will admit, and there's no reason to force that on millions of people who are getting along just fine already.

That's really the issue that people tend to ignore. The benefits for everyday life are wildly overblown, and it really is a colossal mental shift to people who use imperial units for their everyday perceptions of the world. It's really not dissimilar to telling an entire country that they all have to start speaking in a new language. People also seem to think that we spend literally years of school learning imperial units. We really don't. And we learn metric units in school just as we would any other unit of measurement that we didn't previously use. For 99% of Americans, imperial units are a complete non-issue. The only place where metric would be useful is cooking, because tablespoons to teaspoons to cups to ounces is just annoying. But gallons, miles, feet, and fahrenheit work just fine for our day to day uses.

The proponents for universal metrification have no recent studies on how much it would cost or how much it might save. Everything they cite tracks back to an op-ed from 1915 about the manhours it takes to convert units. Those numbers are trivial nowadays. They also cite a number that's way too low for the cost of metrification, since they're misreading a NASA report.


Exhibit A for the essayists argument. Right here. I don't wanna - the rest of the world is stupid.
 
2020-05-22 1:20:32 PM  

Mugato: edmo: There will never be another "greatest generation." They were it.


Ask women and minorities how great the greatest generation was.


Ask me, a white guy. My grandfather was a racist and got early retired for being too sexist. In the 80s.
 
2020-05-22 1:20:36 PM  
Not being metric hurts the US when competing globally in industry.
I work in product r&d and new product development. We work in metric and english measurements as needed, but metric is massively preferred. We ran into a major issue very recently where we are trying to design and fast track production for a medical product which has seen Covid 19 massively increase its demand.
We are trying to produce it with 2 contract manufacturers, one in Asia and one in the US. They use different systems so we have to develop 2 almost identical designs which are minutely different due to the available tooling at each site. Conpletely different drawing packages now have to be generated and revved through production. This is a clusterfark and adds a ton of risk.
Imagine if you are an international company looking at using a CM in each country. One uses the same system as the rest of the world, and the other uses it's own base 12 system. It's never going to be the final driver (cost usually is) but it definitely does not help.
 
2020-05-22 1:20:59 PM  

shut_it_down: NetOwl: BigKaboom: I remember when the metric system was tried here in the U.S.of A. People biatched how hard it was. Too foreign for ' Murica! Apes is the right description.


There's no real reason to use the metric system, and in some ways, it's worse.  Feet are better than meters, and Fahrenheit is better than Celsius for the weather.  And this may come as a surprise to Europe, but we do use metric for science, anyway.

Calling people apes (which is technically right, but I doubt your intent was to technically right, or else you would have called everyone apes) just because they don't want to have to re-calibrate their intuition for every measurement they make in everyday life is a bit much.

Something as fundamental to the way we think as our measurement system is not easy to change once you're an adult. It requires far more adjustment than metric system proponents will admit, and there's no reason to force that on millions of people who are getting along just fine already.

That's really the issue that people tend to ignore. The benefits for everyday life are wildly overblown, and it really is a colossal mental shift to people who use imperial units for their everyday perceptions of the world. It's really not dissimilar to telling an entire country that they all have to start speaking in a new language. People also seem to think that we spend literally years of school learning imperial units. We really don't. And we learn metric units in school just as we would any other unit of measurement that we didn't previously use. For 99% of Americans, imperial units are a complete non-issue. The only place where metric would be useful is cooking, because tablespoons to teaspoons to cups to ounces is just annoying. But gallons, miles, feet, and fahrenheit work just fine for our day to day uses.

The proponents for universal metrification have no recent studies on how much it would cost or how much it might save. Everything they cite tracks back to an op-ed from 1915 ab ...


Well, I guess you don't science much then. I've had to re-learn just about every facet of my career in IT, many times over in the last 30 years. It can be done, and in fact it's probably good for your brain.
 
2020-05-22 1:22:06 PM  

duke3522: NetOwl: BigKaboom: I remember when the metric system was tried here in the U.S.of A. People biatched how hard it was. Too foreign for ' Murica! Apes is the right description.


There's no real reason to use the metric system, and in some ways, it's worse.  Feet are better than meters, and Fahrenheit is better than Celsius for the weather.  And this may come as a surprise to Europe, but we do use metric for science, anyway.

Calling people apes (which is technically right, but I doubt your intent was to technically right, or else you would have called everyone apes) just because they don't want to have to re-calibrate their intuition for every measurement they make in everyday life is a bit much.

Something as fundamental to the way we think as our measurement system is not easy to change once you're an adult.  It requires far more adjustment than metric system proponents will admit, and there's no reason to force that on millions of people who are getting along just fine already.

Nonsense! In 1979 we were 2/3s of the way to the change over. Here in Indiana anyway the road mileage signs had been changed, the weather was being reported in both F and C. If Reagan would have left it alone, we would be calling feet and inches the old system by now.  Stopping the change over to the metric system was a huge victory of anti intellectuals


Exactly - "we dont wanna"
 
2020-05-22 1:23:53 PM  

Magruda: CthulhuCalling: The metric system is a strange hill for this edgy hipster to choose to die on, but fark it, I guess we'll go collect our half dozen flags on the Moon and go home.

Think of those flags like the remains of Roman roads or the Pyramids. Relics of a dead society that could not prevent it's own collapse thanks to hubris.


And it funny, because all the calculations for those missions out of NASA were in metric.
 
2020-05-22 1:26:16 PM  

jjorsett: Smelly Pirate Hooker: duke3522: NetOwl: BigKaboom: I remember when the metric system was tried here in the U.S.of A. People biatched how hard it was. Too foreign for ' Murica! Apes is the right description.


There's no real reason to use the metric system, and in some ways, it's worse.  Feet are better than meters, and Fahrenheit is better than Celsius for the weather.  And this may come as a surprise to Europe, but we do use metric for science, anyway.

Calling people apes (which is technically right, but I doubt your intent was to technically right, or else you would have called everyone apes) just because they don't want to have to re-calibrate their intuition for every measurement they make in everyday life is a bit much.

Something as fundamental to the way we think as our measurement system is not easy to change once you're an adult.  It requires far more adjustment than metric system proponents will admit, and there's no reason to force that on millions of people who are getting along just fine already.

Nonsense! In 1979 we were 2/3s of the way to the change over. Here in Indiana anyway the road mileage signs had been changed, the weather was being reported in both F and C. If Reagan would have left it alone, we would be calling feet and inches the old system by now.  Stopping the change over to the metric system was a huge victory of anti intellectuals

Yes, it was, and we've been paying for it as a country ever since.

Indulging stupid is what got us President Flag Humper. And the Republicans are responsible for most of it.

I was there. Blue collar workers, then the solidest and maybe the biggest part of the Democratic party base, screamed bloody murder because they'd have had to buy all new tools and equipment and get trained. They wanted the government to pay for all of that if a switch was forced on the country. The Democrats got scorched and many backed down.


They should've agreed to pay for the re-tooling with a tax credit for the workers.
 
2020-05-22 1:27:43 PM  
The metric system is literally the best and easiest system. It's elegantly simple both in vocabulary and ease of use via it's base 10 system.

Ask any random American how many teaspoons are in a gallon and they won't know and worse, they won't be sure how to start figuring it out. They'll immediately reach for their phone.
 
2020-05-22 1:28:21 PM  

twistedsteel5252: edmo: There will never be another "greatest generation." They were it.

They could be Assholes too. They once sent a boatload of Jewish refugees back to nazi Germany


Also remember their general attitude towards African Americans.
 
2020-05-22 1:44:29 PM  
I was watching the embedded video in TFA about the beach shenanigans, and man, there is zero appeal to me in sitting on a beach crawling with vehicle after vehicle.  While I haven't lived there for decades, it must have been growing up on the vehicle-free beaches in Oregon that made the sight of all those ATVs and Jeeps so repelling.

/but I'm gettin' old
//to each his own
 
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