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2020-05-22 10:33:27 AM  
And Leon's getting larger.
 
2020-05-22 10:59:34 AM  
I posted this in another thread but it bears repeating

America is more and more the sad motherfarker who peaked in high school and is still talking about his glory days in high school to his fellow forty year old friends, all of whom have universal health care and functioning democracies.

Yes just like the uncle in Napoleon dynamite

White middle class and lower class Americans convinced themselves between 1945 and 2000 that America was the biggest baddest, and most importantly, the most democratic and moral nation on the planet.

As was pointed out any others much of that exceptionalism was due to the fact that the rest of the planet had been bombed back to a nearly Neolithic baseline.

And not as many countries surpassed the US in healthcare, social safety nets, and so forth until the 1970s.

America has been running on fumes for a while now.
 
2020-05-22 11:04:58 AM  
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The mixtures aren't really that different. Calling biomass a renewable is something of a lie -- you're just burning new shiat instead of old shiat. Functionally it's just gas. Gas has risen in Europe as much in replacement of nuclear as of coal -- in the US, gas increase is almost entirely replacing coal.
 
2020-05-22 11:06:02 AM  

Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: I posted this in another thread but it bears repeating

America is more and more the sad motherfarker who peaked in high school and is still talking about his glory days in high school to his fellow forty year old friends, all of whom have universal health care and functioning democracies.

Yes just like the uncle in Napoleon dynamite

White middle class and lower class Americans convinced themselves between 1945 and 2000 that America was the biggest baddest, and most importantly, the most democratic and moral nation on the planet.

As was pointed out any others much of that exceptionalism was due to the fact that the rest of the planet had been bombed back to a nearly Neolithic baseline.

And not as many countries surpassed the US in healthcare, social safety nets, and so forth until the 1970s.

America has been running on fumes for a while now.


Europe has been breathlessly awaiting the failure of the American nation since 1760.
 
2020-05-22 11:08:17 AM  

Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: I posted this in another thread but it bears repeating

America is more and more the sad motherfarker who peaked in high school and is still talking about his glory days in high school to his fellow forty year old friends, all of whom have universal health care and functioning democracies.

Yes just like the uncle in Napoleon dynamite

White middle class and lower class Americans convinced themselves between 1945 and 2000 that America was the biggest baddest, and most importantly, the most democratic and moral nation on the planet.

As was pointed out any others much of that exceptionalism was due to the fact that the rest of the planet had been bombed back to a nearly Neolithic baseline.

And not as many countries surpassed the US in healthcare, social safety nets, and so forth until the 1970s.

America has been running on fumes for a while now.


which sucks because it doesn't have to be this way.

we have the resources and wealth to become so much more than we are but we refuse to do so because a large segment of the population has been conned into thinking the status quo is just fine by the ultra wealthy who have vested interest in keeping it that way. If we ever do move forward, it surely won't happen over night - it may take years or decades even and we'll have to drag many people screaming and kicking into the 21st century. The pandemic has exposed many of the flaws in this house of cards american culture - hopefully people start to wise up. but who am I kidding - we're a bunch of dumb farks who continually vote against our own self interests because we're told to....
 
2020-05-22 11:43:45 AM  
I'm optimistic that a lot of companies won't "take advantage" of the relaxed regulations simply because they're smart enough to know that they won't be permanent.

This is what I don't understand about Republicans--they don't understand that most businesses aren't an immediate gratification kind of thing. Companies spent the money to get in compliance, it won't necessarily be cheaper or more profitable to be dirtier now, and they know that if they chuck it all, some future administration will force them to clean up again. They'd be stupid to just jump in and say, "Well, screw it, we're going to back to building 6200-pound 18-foot-long Cadillacs with 4-barrel carburetors and 3-speed transmissions!" A) who would buy it, and B) why retool to take a step backwards?

Or maybe Republican-operated businesses really are that stupid and don't understand how it works.

Or maybe they do understand, but nothing's more fun than biatching about how the Democrats ruined their business and this is a second chance to do it.
 
2020-05-22 11:47:34 AM  

Walker: And Leon's getting larger.


Thank you.  Just wanted to check for this and see it's handled.
 
2020-05-22 12:00:07 PM  

Lumber Jack Off: Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: I posted this in another thread but it bears repeating

America is more and more the sad motherfarker who peaked in high school and is still talking about his glory days in high school to his fellow forty year old friends, all of whom have universal health care and functioning democracies.

Yes just like the uncle in Napoleon dynamite

White middle class and lower class Americans convinced themselves between 1945 and 2000 that America was the biggest baddest, and most importantly, the most democratic and moral nation on the planet.

As was pointed out any others much of that exceptionalism was due to the fact that the rest of the planet had been bombed back to a nearly Neolithic baseline.

And not as many countries surpassed the US in healthcare, social safety nets, and so forth until the 1970s.

America has been running on fumes for a while now.

which sucks because it doesn't have to be this way.

we have the resources and wealth to become so much more than we are but we refuse to do so because a large segment of the population has been conned into thinking the status quo is just fine by the ultra wealthy who have vested interest in keeping it that way. If we ever do move forward, it surely won't happen over night - it may take years or decades even and we'll have to drag many people screaming and kicking into the 21st century. The pandemic has exposed many of the flaws in this house of cards american culture - hopefully people start to wise up. but who am I kidding - we're a bunch of dumb farks who continually vote against our own self interests because we're told to....


So, so much all of this.
 
2020-05-22 12:08:16 PM  

This text is now purple: Calling biomass a renewable is something of a lie -- you're just burning new shiat instead of old shiat. Functionally it's just gas


If you're burning shiat that you then regrow to burn again, well, that's the definition of renewable, isn't it? Even from an environmental perspective, in principle it should be carbon-neutral and the other waste products potentially would've been produced by the plants decaying on their own
 
2020-05-22 12:08:45 PM  

JerkStore: I'm optimistic that a lot of companies won't "take advantage" of the relaxed regulations simply because they're smart enough to know that they won't be permanent.

This is what I don't understand about Republicans--they don't understand that most businesses aren't an immediate gratification kind of thing. Companies spent the money to get in compliance, it won't necessarily be cheaper or more profitable to be dirtier now, and they know that if they chuck it all, some future administration will force them to clean up again. They'd be stupid to just jump in and say, "Well, screw it, we're going to back to building 6200-pound 18-foot-long Cadillacs with 4-barrel carburetors and 3-speed transmissions!" A) who would buy it, and B) why retool to take a step backwards?

Or maybe Republican-operated businesses really are that stupid and don't understand how it works.

Or maybe they do understand, but nothing's more fun than biatching about how the Democrats ruined their business and this is a second chance to do it.


Ford already doubled down on big block Mustangs, pickups and SUVs and murdered every US sold vehicle that wasn't an extension of the drivers' micropenis, so yes they are that shortsighted and stupid.
 
2020-05-22 12:26:30 PM  

New Farkin User Name: This text is now purple: Calling biomass a renewable is something of a lie -- you're just burning new shiat instead of old shiat. Functionally it's just gas

If you're burning shiat that you then regrow to burn again, well, that's the definition of renewable, isn't it? Even from an environmental perspective, in principle it should be carbon-neutral and the other waste products potentially would've been produced by the plants decaying on their own


Sure, just look at the Dutch. We burn wood that comes from forests being cut in Canada and the US specifically for this purpose, which is shipped on large boats burning just about the dirtiest fuel there is. Do you really think trees can keep up with the speed in which they are being cut down? Research has even shown that us doing this increases CO2 polution, yet we're on the books as it being a "clean" measure.

People in the areas where the trees are coming from are complaining about the nature disappearing. Which means they aren't growing anything back at any speed. And even if they were, all those young trees don't provide the same habitat to wildlife. Not to mention the loss of everything that wasn't a tree that grew between the trees.
 
2020-05-22 1:28:10 PM  

DerAppie: New Farkin User Name: This text is now purple: Calling biomass a renewable is something of a lie -- you're just burning new shiat instead of old shiat. Functionally it's just gas

If you're burning shiat that you then regrow to burn again, well, that's the definition of renewable, isn't it? Even from an environmental perspective, in principle it should be carbon-neutral and the other waste products potentially would've been produced by the plants decaying on their own

Sure, just look at the Dutch. We burn wood that comes from forests being cut in Canada and the US specifically for this purpose, which is shipped on large boats burning just about the dirtiest fuel there is. Do you really think trees can keep up with the speed in which they are being cut down? Research has even shown that us doing this increases CO2 polution, yet we're on the books as it being a "clean" measure.

People in the areas where the trees are coming from are complaining about the nature disappearing. Which means they aren't growing anything back at any speed. And even if they were, all those young trees don't provide the same habitat to wildlife. Not to mention the loss of everything that wasn't a tree that grew between the trees.


That's fair. In my mind, "biofuels" was more crop/food waste and like algae. Counting forests and such in there is cheating
 
2020-05-22 1:30:56 PM  

Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: I posted this in another thread but it bears repeating

America is more and more the sad motherfarker who peaked in high school and is still talking about his glory days in high school to his fellow forty year old friends, all of whom have universal health care and functioning democracies.

Yes just like the uncle in Napoleon dynamite

White middle class and lower class Americans convinced themselves between 1945 and 2000 that America was the biggest baddest, and most importantly, the most democratic and moral nation on the planet.

As was pointed out any others much of that exceptionalism was due to the fact that the rest of the planet had been bombed back to a nearly Neolithic baseline.

And not as many countries surpassed the US in healthcare, social safety nets, and so forth until the 1970s.

America has been running on fumes for a while now.


Thats what happens when used car salesman capitalists take over ur elections and government.
 
2020-05-22 1:47:35 PM  

New Farkin User Name: DerAppie: New Farkin User Name: This text is now purple: Calling biomass a renewable is something of a lie -- you're just burning new shiat instead of old shiat. Functionally it's just gas

If you're burning shiat that you then regrow to burn again, well, that's the definition of renewable, isn't it? Even from an environmental perspective, in principle it should be carbon-neutral and the other waste products potentially would've been produced by the plants decaying on their own

Sure, just look at the Dutch. We burn wood that comes from forests being cut in Canada and the US specifically for this purpose, which is shipped on large boats burning just about the dirtiest fuel there is. Do you really think trees can keep up with the speed in which they are being cut down? Research has even shown that us doing this increases CO2 polution, yet we're on the books as it being a "clean" measure.

People in the areas where the trees are coming from are complaining about the nature disappearing. Which means they aren't growing anything back at any speed. And even if they were, all those young trees don't provide the same habitat to wildlife. Not to mention the loss of everything that wasn't a tree that grew between the trees.

That's fair. In my mind, "biofuels" was more crop/food waste and like algae. Counting forests and such in there is cheating


There isn't enough wastage to burn for electricity. If there were, we wouldn't import. As for the algae, dunno man. That doesn't sound like something that would scale once you need to produce them for burning.
 
2020-05-22 1:48:59 PM  
Just don't look at Germany then.  They apparently think it is okay to build new coal plants - and destroy ancient forests to dig coal - while demolishing pollution/CO2 free nuclear power plants.  At the same time they're becoming more reliant upon natural gas piped in from Russia (bad for multiple reasons).  In a related matter, they are not nearly on track to meet their CO2 goals at all.

Lets compare to next door France.  Currently -
France: 35 grams CO₂ /kWh
Germany: 229 grams CO₂ /kWh

Even New York is doing better than Germany - 213 CO₂ /kWh
Though Germany's deployment of "renewable" sources is far, far higher.

And that's only CO₂.  People think "batteries" will solve the intermittency of "renewables" but in reality fast starting fossil supplement them.  Natural gas aka methane is a much stronger greenhouse gas (84x) than CO₂.  You always have lots of it leaking in transmission.  It would be better to leave it in the ground.  But Europe has become pretty dependent upon natural gas piped in from Russia.

Oh but that's not all.  Lets talk Sulphur hexafluoride

The most powerful known greenhouse gas has been leaking into the Earth's atmosphere due to the green energy boom, it was reported on Friday night.
Sulphur hexafluoride, or SF6, is widely used in the electrical industry to prevent short circuits and accidents.
It is 23,500 times more warming than carbon dioxide (CO2), and just one kilogram warms the Earth as much as 24 people flying London to New York return.
The drive to use mixed sources of power, including wind, solar and gas, rather than coal as fuel has resulted in a rise in the number of electrical devices that use SF6, the BBC said.
A study from the University of Cardiff found that across all transmission and distribution networks, the amount used was increasing by 30-40 tonnes per year
...
"As renewable projects are getting bigger and bigger, we have had to use it within wind turbines specifically," Costa Pirgousis, an engineer with Scottish Power Renewables, told the BBC.
"As we are putting in more and more turbines, we need more and more switchgear and, as a result, more SF6 is being introduced into big turbines off shore.

Then it leaks.  So we can feel good about "green energy" production, but wasn't the goal here to fight Climate Change?  Wind turbines and photovoltaic panels are a shiatty solution to that question.
And you want to see more about these failures?

Michael Moore Presents: Planet of the Humans | Full Documentary | Directed by Jeff Gibbs
Youtube Zk11vI-7czE

If we're serious about climate change, we need more nuclear power.  We don't have a better solution today, and we have more than abundant uranium/thorium to last us til we actually master fusion.  But we don't have excess decades to waste on non-solutions.
 
2020-05-22 2:01:16 PM  

Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: I posted this in another thread but it bears repeating

America is more and more the sad motherfarker who peaked in high school and is still talking about his glory days in high school to his fellow forty year old friends, all of whom have universal health care and functioning democracies.

Yes just like the uncle in Napoleon dynamite

White middle class and lower class Americans convinced themselves between 1945 and 2000 that America was the biggest baddest, and most importantly, the most democratic and moral nation on the planet.

As was pointed out any others much of that exceptionalism was due to the fact that the rest of the planet had been bombed back to a nearly Neolithic baseline.

And not as many countries surpassed the US in healthcare, social safety nets, and so forth until the 1970s.

America has been running on fumes for a while now.


Or it could be that Americans are cheap and they don't want to pay more for carbon-free electricity, more efficient HVAC, electric/hybrid vehicles, and the like.  Which is short-sighted since it usually ends up being more expensive when you factor in all of the external and long-term costs.  As example, just look at people who were upset that basic incandescent bulbs were phased out even though halogen incandescent, CFL, and LED bulbs usually paid for themselves in lower electric bills after a year or three.
 
2020-05-22 2:28:10 PM  

bk3k: Just don't look at Germany then.  They apparently think it is okay to build new coal plants - and destroy ancient forests to dig coal - while demolishing pollution/CO2 free nuclear power plants.  At the same time they're becoming more reliant upon natural gas piped in from Russia (bad for multiple reasons).  In a related matter, they are not nearly on track to meet their CO2 goals at all.

Lets compare to next door France.  Currently -
France: 35 grams CO₂ /kWh
Germany: 229 grams CO₂ /kWh

Even New York is doing better than Germany - 213 CO₂ /kWh
Though Germany's deployment of "renewable" sources is far, far higher.

And that's only CO₂.  People think "batteries" will solve the intermittency of "renewables" but in reality fast starting fossil supplement them.  Natural gas aka methane is a much stronger greenhouse gas (84x) than CO₂.  You always have lots of it leaking in transmission.  It would be better to leave it in the ground.  But Europe has become pretty dependent upon natural gas piped in from Russia.

Oh but that's not all.  Lets talk Sulphur hexafluoride. 


The most powerful known greenhouse gas has been leaking into the Earth's atmosphere due to the green energy boom, it was reported on Friday night.
Sulphur hexafluoride, or SF6, is widely used in the electrical industry to prevent short circuits and accidents.
It is 23,500 times more warming than carbon dioxide (CO2), and just one kilogram warms the Earth as much as 24 people flying London to New York return.
The drive to use mixed sources of power, including wind, solar and gas, rather than coal as fuel has resulted in a rise in the number of electrical devices that use SF6, the BBC said.
A study from the University of Cardiff found that across all transmission and distribution networks, the amount used was increasing by 30-40 tonnes per year
...
"As renewable projects are getting bigger and bigger, we have had to use it within wind turbines specifically," Costa Pirgousis, an engineer with Scottish Power Renewables, told the BBC.
"As we are putting in more and more turbines, we need more and more switchgear and, as a result, more SF6 is being introduced into big turbines off shore.

Then it leaks.  So we can feel good about "green energy" production, but wasn't the goal here to fight Climate Change?  Wind turbines and photovoltaic panels are a shiatty solution to that question.
And you want to see more about these failures?

[YouTube video: Michael Moore Presents: Planet of the Humans | Full Documentary | Directed by Jeff Gibbs]
If we're serious about climate change, we need more nuclear power.  We don't have a better solution today, and we have more than abundant uranium/thorium to last us til we actually master fusion.  But we don't have excess decades to waste on non-solutions.


https://www.aljazeera.com/ajimpact/cl​e​aning-germany-reaches-deal-shut-coal-p​lants-200116080124654.html

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2020-05-22 2:28:45 PM  

Dinjiin: Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: I posted this in another thread but it bears repeating

America is more and more the sad motherfarker who peaked in high school and is still talking about his glory days in high school to his fellow forty year old friends, all of whom have universal health care and functioning democracies.

Yes just like the uncle in Napoleon dynamite

White middle class and lower class Americans convinced themselves between 1945 and 2000 that America was the biggest baddest, and most importantly, the most democratic and moral nation on the planet.

As was pointed out any others much of that exceptionalism was due to the fact that the rest of the planet had been bombed back to a nearly Neolithic baseline.

And not as many countries surpassed the US in healthcare, social safety nets, and so forth until the 1970s.

America has been running on fumes for a while now.

Or it could be that Americans are cheap and they don't want to pay more for carbon-free electricity, more efficient HVAC, electric/hybrid vehicles, and the like.  Which is short-sighted since it usually ends up being more expensive when you factor in all of the external and long-term costs.  As example, just look at people who were upset that basic incandescent bulbs were phased out even though halogen incandescent, CFL, and LED bulbs usually paid for themselves in lower electric bills after a year or three.


So basically Americans are pieces of shiat?
 
2020-05-22 2:40:30 PM  

Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: https://www.aljazeera.com/ajimpact/cl​e​aning-germany-reaches-deal-shut-coal-p​lants-200116080124654.html


"We promise not to burn coal in 2038" doesn't refute "we're burning more stuff now so we can shut down nuclear plants". Even if they are burning natural gas, it still emits more than a nuclear plant.
 
2020-05-22 3:01:21 PM  

DerAppie: Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: https://www.aljazeera.com/ajimpact/cle​aning-germany-reaches-deal-shut-coal-p​lants-200116080124654.html

"We promise not to burn coal in 2038" doesn't refute "we're burning more stuff now so we can shut down nuclear plants". Even if they are burning natural gas, it still emits more than a nuclear plant.


Wind power is replacing coal and nuclear both in Germany, but I'm sure you're concerned, especially when the US is going backwards, but I wouldn't want to mess up your masturbatory ideology.
 
2020-05-22 3:12:18 PM  

Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: DerAppie: Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: https://www.aljazeera.com/ajimpact/cle​aning-germany-reaches-deal-shut-coal-p​lants-200116080124654.html

"We promise not to burn coal in 2038" doesn't refute "we're burning more stuff now so we can shut down nuclear plants". Even if they are burning natural gas, it still emits more than a nuclear plant.

Wind power is replacing coal and nuclear both in Germany, but I'm sure you're concerned, especially when the US is going backwards, but I wouldn't want to mess up your masturbatory ideology.


Gas is replacing coal in Europe for baseload. In the US, too. But the US isn't cutting back on nuclear like Europe is, so gas is also replacing nuclear for baseload in the EU.

And their gas comes from Russia, rather than being domestic. Which complicates their security situation, given they are becoming increasingly dependent on exports from their primary threat.
 
2020-05-22 3:26:30 PM  

Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: DerAppie: Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: https://www.aljazeera.com/ajimpact/cle​aning-germany-reaches-deal-shut-coal-p​lants-200116080124654.html

"We promise not to burn coal in 2038" doesn't refute "we're burning more stuff now so we can shut down nuclear plants". Even if they are burning natural gas, it still emits more than a nuclear plant.

Wind power is replacing coal and nuclear both in Germany, but I'm sure you're concerned, especially when the US is going backwards, but I wouldn't want to mess up your masturbatory ideology.


I don't really care about what the US is doing because I have 0 influence there. I am amused by the fact that all the wind and solar needs to be backed by another kind of power plant because the base load needs to be guaranteed. I'm a proponent for nuclear power until we manage fusion.
 
2020-05-22 10:28:06 PM  

DerAppie: Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: DerAppie: Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: https://www.aljazeera.com/ajimpact/cle​aning-germany-reaches-deal-shut-coal-p​lants-200116080124654.html

"We promise not to burn coal in 2038" doesn't refute "we're burning more stuff now so we can shut down nuclear plants". Even if they are burning natural gas, it still emits more than a nuclear plant.

Wind power is replacing coal and nuclear both in Germany, but I'm sure you're concerned, especially when the US is going backwards, but I wouldn't want to mess up your masturbatory ideology.

I don't really care about what the US is doing because I have 0 influence there. I am amused by the fact that all the wind and solar needs to be backed by another kind of power plant because the base load needs to be guaranteed. I'm a proponent for nuclear power until we manage fusion.


No, you decided to come into a thread about how farked up the US was vis a vis Europe with a bunch of BS about Germany and you got owned.

Be better.

Don't disagree with you about nuclear vs fusion.
 
2020-05-23 11:13:18 AM  

Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: DerAppie: Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: DerAppie: Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: https://www.aljazeera.com/ajimpact/cle​aning-germany-reaches-deal-shut-coal-p​lants-200116080124654.html

"We promise not to burn coal in 2038" doesn't refute "we're burning more stuff now so we can shut down nuclear plants". Even if they are burning natural gas, it still emits more than a nuclear plant.

Wind power is replacing coal and nuclear both in Germany, but I'm sure you're concerned, especially when the US is going backwards, but I wouldn't want to mess up your masturbatory ideology.

I don't really care about what the US is doing because I have 0 influence there. I am amused by the fact that all the wind and solar needs to be backed by another kind of power plant because the base load needs to be guaranteed. I'm a proponent for nuclear power until we manage fusion.

No, you decided to come into a thread about how farked up the US was vis a vis Europe with a bunch of BS about Germany and you got owned.

Be better.

Don't disagree with you about nuclear vs fusion.


No, I came into the thread because I disagreed with your rebuttal of someone else's point. Germany is closing down nuclear plants and building more power plants that burn stuff. This is a step back. That they want to have all coal powered plants shut down in 2038 doesn't mean they are taking a step back CO2 wise.

I made no point relating to what the US is doing vis a vis Europe.

/You cannot run a country on wind and solar
 
2020-05-23 12:14:10 PM  

DerAppie: Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: DerAppie: Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: DerAppie: Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: https://www.aljazeera.com/ajimpact/cle​aning-germany-reaches-deal-shut-coal-p​lants-200116080124654.html

"We promise not to burn coal in 2038" doesn't refute "we're burning more stuff now so we can shut down nuclear plants". Even if they are burning natural gas, it still emits more than a nuclear plant.

Wind power is replacing coal and nuclear both in Germany, but I'm sure you're concerned, especially when the US is going backwards, but I wouldn't want to mess up your masturbatory ideology.

I don't really care about what the US is doing because I have 0 influence there. I am amused by the fact that all the wind and solar needs to be backed by another kind of power plant because the base load needs to be guaranteed. I'm a proponent for nuclear power until we manage fusion.

No, you decided to come into a thread about how farked up the US was vis a vis Europe with a bunch of BS about Germany and you got owned.

Be better.

Don't disagree with you about nuclear vs fusion.

No, I came into the thread because I disagreed with your rebuttal of someone else's point. Germany is closing down nuclear plants and building more power plants that burn stuff. This is a step back. That they want to have all coal powered plants shut down in 2038 doesn't mean they are taking a step back CO2 wise.

I made no point relating to what the US is doing vis a vis Europe.

/You cannot run a country on wind and solar


Yes you can.
 
2020-05-23 1:51:18 PM  

Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: DerAppie: Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: DerAppie: Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: DerAppie: Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: https://www.aljazeera.com/ajimpact/cle​aning-germany-reaches-deal-shut-coal-p​lants-200116080124654.html

"We promise not to burn coal in 2038" doesn't refute "we're burning more stuff now so we can shut down nuclear plants". Even if they are burning natural gas, it still emits more than a nuclear plant.

Wind power is replacing coal and nuclear both in Germany, but I'm sure you're concerned, especially when the US is going backwards, but I wouldn't want to mess up your masturbatory ideology.

I don't really care about what the US is doing because I have 0 influence there. I am amused by the fact that all the wind and solar needs to be backed by another kind of power plant because the base load needs to be guaranteed. I'm a proponent for nuclear power until we manage fusion.

No, you decided to come into a thread about how farked up the US was vis a vis Europe with a bunch of BS about Germany and you got owned.

Be better.

Don't disagree with you about nuclear vs fusion.

No, I came into the thread because I disagreed with your rebuttal of someone else's point. Germany is closing down nuclear plants and building more power plants that burn stuff. This is a step back. That they want to have all coal powered plants shut down in 2038 doesn't mean they are taking a step back CO2 wise.

I made no point relating to what the US is doing vis a vis Europe.

/You cannot run a country on wind and solar

Yes you can.


Agreed.  However, there is a steep initial cost in doing so.  The national grid has to be reworked to either store excess capacity or to ship it elsewhere where it is needed.  Why do that when you can spend a trillion dollars on foreign wars and a host of other things that have questionable benefit for the country?
 
2020-05-23 3:32:32 PM  
Visual Howlaround Title Sequence:

A deal made doesn't overturn what has happened - and continues to happen - in reality.  Like that friend who agrees to pay you back, but never actually makes good on the agreement.  They might always have a "good reason" they can't pay you now.  You can't help but think they would be able to absent them making really bad decisions.  And that's Germany.
 
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