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2020-05-22 9:40:29 AM  
As much as I'd love to see Trump handed the worst defeat in American election history, didn't Clinton have a huge lead in the polls as well?

Polls mean nothing if voter suppression and foreign (Russian) interference are allowed to continue unabated.
 
2020-05-22 9:55:23 AM  
Also, it's early. 5 more months to go.
 
2020-05-22 9:58:34 AM  

Mollari: As much as I'd love to see Trump handed the worst defeat in American election history, didn't Clinton have a huge lead in the polls as well?

Polls mean nothing if voter suppression and foreign (Russian) interference are allowed to continue unabated.


Trump won't believe the polls. He thinks Fox isn't helping him enough, therefore a Fox poll is wrong.
 
2020-05-22 9:58:44 AM  

Mollari: As much as I'd love to see Trump handed the worst defeat in American election history, didn't Clinton have a huge lead in the polls as well?

Polls mean nothing if voter suppression and foreign (Russian) interference are allowed to continue unabated.


Add GOP "investigating" the Bidens.  As soon as Trump can hold his rallies you will start hearing, "Lock Him Up!"
 
2020-05-22 10:04:51 AM  
Does it matter?  As long as states continue to use those ultra-secure Diebold machines, every other vote will be for the republican whether the voter actually voted republican or not.

Or if Ruth Ginsberg passes, and Mitch can slide another ultra-conservative judge into the USSC, Trump can simply claim the election invalid.
 
2020-05-22 10:15:38 AM  

Destructor: Also, it's early. 5 more months to go.


Granted but there is also not too many unknowns at this point.  Everyone knows what Biden is.  If you haven't figured out what Trump is by now, you are hopeless.  Certainly you are not going to have anyone who changes their mind and thinks "You know what, this Trump guy is pretty good."

You don't going from thinking wrestling is real to figuring it out that it is fake and then somehow watching more of it and thinking "You know, I think they are actually fighting for real."  OK maybe a few people could do that.

I don't understand why so many Americans can look at Trump and not see a disgusting, stupid, and corrupt con man.  However, for the few that have finally dumped Trump, I cannot envision a path that brings them back to Trump before November.
 
2020-05-22 10:28:21 AM  

mrshowrules: You don't going from thinking wrestling is real to figuring it out that it is fake and then somehow watching more of it and thinking "You know, I think they are actually fighting for real." OK maybe a few people could do that.

I don't understand why so many Americans can look at Trump and not see a disgusting, stupid, and corrupt con man. However, for the few that have finally dumped Trump, I cannot envision a path that brings them back to Trump before November.


I don't want to throw a bucket of cold water on any of this. (I want Trump out of the White House, and I'm willing to suffer Biden to do it.)

But, the Republicans I know will not participate in polls to a point where they're proud of announcing it to the world. That's bad enough. But another factor is that while they plan on voting for Trump, they hate him. (They're voting for his policies.) There is no incentive for them to announce their support for a moron to some pollster.
 
2020-05-22 10:32:51 AM  
Sorry, but (a) I'm not believing this shiat, because of 2016's outcome, and (b) unless and until a large number of different pollsters put forth state-by-state data that shows Biden capturing somewhere in the neighborhood of 400 electoral votes?  I'm not going to believe them.
 
2020-05-22 10:32:54 AM  
That his lead isn't twice that is a testament to the power of right wing brainwashing and how far down the hole the right has gone.
 
2020-05-22 10:33:53 AM  
Hahaha! Polls had Hillary winning in a landslide. Chopped salad, labradors!
 
2020-05-22 10:34:12 AM  
Well, if this is in the bag then I guess I can stay home. I mean, I did in 2016 too, but that was a fluke that won't happen again.
 
2020-05-22 10:34:15 AM  
The Republican Party as per registration is only half as big as Democrats per party registration.

That we even have to worry about it means the system is so rigged in flyover states that we have to worry about the completely fallacious all-or-nothing bullshiat that makes up the Electoral College.


As Trump himself has said...if all eligible people get to vote, not another hate-filled dipshiat republican would ever be elected again.
 
2020-05-22 10:34:19 AM  
I think a lot of things hinge on Biden's VP pick.

I am trying my absolute best to stay on board as much as possible. But the VP pick is going to signal a lot of things. A lot of people want Kamala (no), Abrams (meh), or Warren (yes). If Biden flubs his VP pick you are going to see a sudden spike in the polls cause its a woman or some shiat and then a dip lower than it is now. He has to get this right and if he doesn't then we are all in trouble.
 
2020-05-22 10:35:49 AM  
Only because there's a photo of him and Hunter cranking out hundreds of thousand mail in ballots on a Ricoh copier and sending them out to the thousands of illegal voters who get paid by the Democrats to sign names in different pens and handwriting.  I mean, there will be.  Don't look too closely at the pixels though.  That is not a merged layer.
 
2020-05-22 10:37:21 AM  
Ruh roh looks like Brad Parscale is going to get another volcanic outrage episode for not creating the alternative reality which suits the naked emperor's wishes
 
2020-05-22 10:38:18 AM  
Awesome.  I don't have to vote then.
 
2020-05-22 10:39:39 AM  

numbers17: I think a lot of things hinge on Biden's VP pick.

I am trying my absolute best to stay on board as much as possible. But the VP pick is going to signal a lot of things. A lot of people want Kamala (no), Abrams (meh), or Warren (yes). If Biden flubs his VP pick you are going to see a sudden spike in the polls cause its a woman or some shiat and then a dip lower than it is now. He has to get this right and if he doesn't then we are all in trouble.


I mostly agree and I really didn't like Hillary's pick and could see a similar meh attitude this time around. My preference is Duckworth. I tend to pick a VP that compliments the candidate, and expected Gingrich for Trump so my takes might already be weird. I prefer Klobuchar and Warren where they currently are, and don't see much benefit to Kamala, maybe slightly above Kaine who provided nothing of value.
 
2020-05-22 10:40:23 AM  

SirEattonHogg: Awesome.  I don't have to vote then.


Vote as if the lives of your children, real or perceived, matters more than money.
 
2020-05-22 10:40:55 AM  
Actual difficulty: people don't elect the President, states do.
 
2020-05-22 10:42:22 AM  
Yes, but wait until the full story of this nefarious gate is revealed.

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2020-05-22 10:43:38 AM  
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Dump's polling is still too damn high!!
 
2020-05-22 10:44:22 AM  
Fox News getting the GOTV campaign started early, I see.
 
2020-05-22 10:44:50 AM  
As we've seen in the last election, it's not about the sheer number of people that will vote for the candidate, it's about the right number of people voting in the right states to get the job done.

Expect to see more suspicious 1% margin of victories.
 
2020-05-22 10:44:59 AM  

berylman: Ruh roh looks like Brad Parscale is going to get another volcanic outrage episode for not creating the alternative reality which suits the naked emperor's wishes


Mr. President, sir, here is the latest poll from left leaning Fox News:

Trump -7

But if we take your magic sharpie...   watch

Trump +7 SUPER WINNER!!!

Is Mr. President happy happy?  Is he?  Good.  Can I go back to day drinking?
 
2020-05-22 10:45:21 AM  

Mollari: As much as I'd love to see Trump handed the worst defeat in American election history, didn't Clinton have a huge lead in the polls as well?

Polls mean nothing if voter suppression and foreign (Russian) interference are allowed to continue unabated.


What is with people's memories being this polls with insurmountable leads? No. She never led Trump by that much. She usually had a lead of a few points, but she was the only Democratic candidate during the primaries that Trump was actually beating in some polls.

In May of 2016, she was up on Trump by 4 points in the Fox News polls. This is double that.
 
2020-05-22 10:46:10 AM  

Onionhead: Mollari: As much as I'd love to see Trump handed the worst defeat in American election history, didn't Clinton have a huge lead in the polls as well?

Polls mean nothing if voter suppression and foreign (Russian) interference are allowed to continue unabated.

Add GOP "investigating" the Bidens.  As soon as Trump can hold his rallies you will start hearing, "Lock Him Up!"


And then 2 weeks later there will be less of them to vote.   <3
 
2020-05-22 10:47:50 AM  
Thanks to a massive interference operation by Russia, Trump was able to squeak out the narrowest of victories thanks to the electoral college and despite losing by 3 million votes.  In 2018 Dems overperformed and 8-9 million more Dems voted than Repubs, and Dems had good victories in 2019 as well.  No doubt we all have to vote, but I think Dems will outperform Repubs by 12+ million votes in 2020 and have a very good chance at the Senate.

I still believe we will be shocked at what Trump and Repubs do before the election, including an attempt at Martial law.  They know when they lose the hand of God will come crashing down upon all the corruption over the last 4 years.
 
2020-05-22 10:48:37 AM  
It's a horse race. A four year long, as boring as an introduction to Vogon accountancy lecture, as heartwarming as a raging herpes flareup, as instructive as a Sean Hannity segment on education, uhh, horse race

Can you tell which horse's ass is further ahead? No? Well let's call a few hundred random old people with eroded intellectual capacity and ask them, shall we?

We have some numbers now.... Some educational, heartwarming, exciting numbers, annnnnd, guess what?  Go on, guess!! You're going to be so surprised. You'll never see it coming

No? No guess? Well, it turns out, we looked at the numbers, annnnd, one of those asses is ahead!

farking brilliant, eh?  farking brilliant!!!

See you next week when we do all this again
 
2020-05-22 10:48:55 AM  

sirgrim: numbers17: I think a lot of things hinge on Biden's VP pick.

I am trying my absolute best to stay on board as much as possible. But the VP pick is going to signal a lot of things. A lot of people want Kamala (no), Abrams (meh), or Warren (yes). If Biden flubs his VP pick you are going to see a sudden spike in the polls cause its a woman or some shiat and then a dip lower than it is now. He has to get this right and if he doesn't then we are all in trouble.

I mostly agree and I really didn't like Hillary's pick and could see a similar meh attitude this time around. My preference is Duckworth. I tend to pick a VP that compliments the candidate, and expected Gingrich for Trump so my takes might already be weird. I prefer Klobuchar and Warren where they currently are, and don't see much benefit to Kamala, maybe slightly above Kaine who provided nothing of value.


Klobuchar would straight up be an appeal to never Trumpers and this insane belief the Biden camp has that they can pull some right-wing voters over to vote for the Democrats.

There is a lot of things the left-wing/progressive base of the Democrats/Independents can let slide because Trump is a huge threat, but Klobuchar would be a slap in the face and a defiant message that any progressive platform is not going to be taken seriously. In politics you don't win by pissing off and depressing your base and that base is infighting and wavering a lot anyway.

Biden needs to solidify the big tent left wing. Any attempts to get right-wing voters are folly and stupid and you would be stupid to think we can get them.

To put this in perspective.

This election is about getting enough left, center-left, and centrist to vote more than the right-wing (like any election). It's also about getting enough of the right-wing to stay home by showing what an incompetent and ineffectual leader Trump is.

I want to emphasize that Trump being a threat is not enough to get everyone on the left to vote for Biden. It's motivated enough people and it kept progressives on board for now due to some pissy handouts to our causes. You get Klobachur or some other dumb VP pick and its just a disaster going forward.
 
2020-05-22 10:50:08 AM  
The same polls that said Hillary would win is a mass murderer?
 
2020-05-22 10:55:47 AM  
I'll believe it if Biden has an 8 point lead on POTUS in Rasmussen's poll.

/never happen
 
2020-05-22 10:57:10 AM  

parahaps: Mollari: As much as I'd love to see Trump handed the worst defeat in American election history, didn't Clinton have a huge lead in the polls as well?

Polls mean nothing if voter suppression and foreign (Russian) interference are allowed to continue unabated.

What is with people's memories being this polls with insurmountable leads? No. She never led Trump by that much. She usually had a lead of a few points, but she was the only Democratic candidate during the primaries that Trump was actually beating in some polls.

In May of 2016, she was up on Trump by 4 points in the Fox News polls. This is double that.


...I actually misread my source. The FOX polls from May 2016 have both a +3 Trump and a +3 Clinton. Anyway, yes, polls are going to be extremely swingy from here until November, but Biden's polling numbers that I'm seeing so far seem stronger than what Clinton was showing at the same time.
 
2020-05-22 10:57:38 AM  

parahaps: Mollari: As much as I'd love to see Trump handed the worst defeat in American election history, didn't Clinton have a huge lead in the polls as well?

Polls mean nothing if voter suppression and foreign (Russian) interference are allowed to continue unabated.

What is with people's memories being this polls with insurmountable leads? No. She never led Trump by that much. She usually had a lead of a few points, but she was the only Democratic candidate during the primaries that Trump was actually beating in some polls.

In May of 2016, she was up on Trump by 4 points in the Fox News polls. This is double that.


In October of 2016 Clinton had leads as high as 12%

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationw​i​de_opinion_polling_for_the_2016_United​_States_presidential_election
 
2020-05-22 10:58:35 AM  

martiandooz: I'll believe it if Biden has an 8 point lead on POTUS in Rasmussen's poll.

/never happen


The sad truth is Americans just hate other Americans.  We have not one inkling of how it impacts the world, and ultimately impacts ourselves.

We built this problem.  We can fix it too.
 
2020-05-22 10:59:04 AM  
Sorry I'm late. Has he picked Tim Kaine yet?
 
2020-05-22 10:59:48 AM  
Does this poll take rampant Republican cheating into account? Because they didn't last time around.
 
2020-05-22 11:00:16 AM  

Mollari: parahaps: Mollari: As much as I'd love to see Trump handed the worst defeat in American election history, didn't Clinton have a huge lead in the polls as well?

Polls mean nothing if voter suppression and foreign (Russian) interference are allowed to continue unabated.

What is with people's memories being this polls with insurmountable leads? No. She never led Trump by that much. She usually had a lead of a few points, but she was the only Democratic candidate during the primaries that Trump was actually beating in some polls.

In May of 2016, she was up on Trump by 4 points in the Fox News polls. This is double that.

In October of 2016 Clinton had leads as high as 12%

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationwi​de_opinion_polling_for_the_2016_United​_States_presidential_election


Whoever is against Trump will have a huge nationwide lead this time too, if you want to measure popularity. Unfortunately we have an electoral college to deal with.
 
2020-05-22 11:00:37 AM  

martiandooz: I'll believe it if Biden has an 8 point lead on POTUS in Rasmussen's poll.

/never happen


Yes, as Rasmussen only has Biden up by 5 points, wake me when it gets to at least 8.
 
2020-05-22 11:05:31 AM  
Vote.
 
2020-05-22 11:06:40 AM  

Destructor: Also, it's early. 5 more months to go.


Also, there probably won't even be an election.
 
2020-05-22 11:13:11 AM  
Of CoUrSe BiDeN wIns In A fOx PoLl, He'S mOrE rEpUbLiCaN tHaN tRuMp!
 
2020-05-22 11:13:52 AM  
Great news!  Guess this means we don't have to risk catching Big 'Rona since this one is pretty much in the bag.

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2020-05-22 11:16:53 AM  
Things that worry me: 1) pandemic affecting voting numbers 2) outside interference 3) some dumb investigation that shows "Biden bad" unless you actually look at the facts of the case and realize the GOP has nothing

Things that make me feel good 1) Trump can no longer run on "what do you have to lose by voting for me?" 2) Hilary was/is hated far more than Biden Is. 3) https://www.270towin.com/polls/lat​est-​2020-presidential-election-polls/ State polling is good for Biden right now. Up in Michigan/Wisconsin/Pennsylvania/North Carolina/Arizona. If he wins 3 of those he wins the election.
 
2020-05-22 11:17:01 AM  
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2020-05-22 11:18:51 AM  

numbers17: I think a lot of things hinge on Biden's VP pick.

I am trying my absolute best to stay on board as much as possible. But the VP pick is going to signal a lot of things. A lot of people want Kamala (no), Abrams (meh), or Warren (yes). If Biden flubs his VP pick you are going to see a sudden spike in the polls cause its a woman or some shiat and then a dip lower than it is now. He has to get this right and if he doesn't then we are all in trouble.


They are formally vetting Klobachar, so she is in that mix, too.
 
2020-05-22 11:21:22 AM  
It's no longer a surprise that Fox is increasingly telling the truth rather than just being a propaganda shell for Trump.  They have been catching a lot of flack.  Maybe they are starting to realize that being full of crap 24/7 is probably not all that great for their bottom line.

In other words, maybe it's more difficult to just keep lying without getting called on it.

They have to maintain at least a tiny amount of credibility or they will lose everyone.

Now, of course, the next thing they have to do is remove their Hannities, Carlsons, and whoever that drunken yelling woman is...  Those people are just so full of shiat you can smell them without even watching the channel.
 
2020-05-22 11:25:59 AM  

Destructor: mrshowrules: You don't going from thinking wrestling is real to figuring it out that it is fake and then somehow watching more of it and thinking "You know, I think they are actually fighting for real." OK maybe a few people could do that.

I don't understand why so many Americans can look at Trump and not see a disgusting, stupid, and corrupt con man. However, for the few that have finally dumped Trump, I cannot envision a path that brings them back to Trump before November.

I don't want to throw a bucket of cold water on any of this. (I want Trump out of the White House, and I'm willing to suffer Biden to do it.)

But, the Republicans I know will not participate in polls to a point where they're proud of announcing it to the world. That's bad enough. But another factor is that while they plan on voting for Trump, they hate him. (They're voting for his policies.) There is no incentive for them to announce their support for a moron to some pollster.


I don't know.  I'm not sure I agree.  First, Trump is the Republican party now.  Trump has made it very clear that he wants to do well in the polls.  He gets really pissed off when Fox slams him on the polls especially.  The cult followers don't want to piss off dear leader.

To the extent paranoid people lie to pollsters, I don't think that changes much from election to election.  Certainly Trump is not asking them to hide their numbers.  I do believe Conservatives like to tell people they lie to pollsters though.  It is in their nature to refute reality and piss off liberals.

I agree you should accept the poll numbers at face value but you should consider the delta.  If Hillary was up in polls 2 points in a state she still lost, and Biden is up 8 points in that State, you can assume he will win that state even if by a much slimmer margin.
 
2020-05-22 11:26:08 AM  

Harry Freakstorm: berylman: Ruh roh looks like Brad Parscale is going to get another volcanic outrage episode for not creating the alternative reality which suits the naked emperor's wishes

Mr. President, sir, here is the latest poll from left leaning Fox News:

Trump -7

But if we take your magic sharpie...   watch

Trump +7 SUPER WINNER!!!

Is Mr. President happy happy?  Is he?  Good.  Can I go back to day drinking?


You mean, SUPER DOOPER winner, don't you?
 
2020-05-22 11:27:04 AM  

Ray_Finkle: 1) Trump can no longer run on "what do you have to lose by voting for me?"


Trump can run on whatever he wants because people who vote for Trump are either selfish or don't care about reality or both
 
2020-05-22 11:28:35 AM  

ElwoodCuse: Ray_Finkle: 1) Trump can no longer run on "what do you have to lose by voting for me?"

Trump can run on whatever he wants because people who vote for Trump are either selfish or don't care about reality or both


Which are you?
 
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