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2020-05-22 9:03:31 AM  
Because we have a racist president being advised by racists as he panders to racists and this is the sort of thing that makes racists feel proud of themselves. It's not complicated.
 
2020-05-22 9:18:07 AM  

Pocket Ninja: Because we have a racist president being advised by racists as he panders to racists and this is the sort of thing that makes racists feel proud of themselves. It's not complicated.


Nah, I'm pretty sure it's economic anxiety.
 
2020-05-22 9:22:54 AM  
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2020-05-22 9:22:59 AM  
Why deport them? Easy. Skilled trained ICU nurses begging to work on COVID wards are very simple to find. One under every rock. /s/
 
2020-05-22 9:23:08 AM  
Does not matter. They are here illegally.
 
2020-05-22 9:23:17 AM  
Devil's Ad Voco: because the law is the law?

Don't like the law? CHANGE IT.

/Keep the kids, send the "President" away.
 
2020-05-22 9:23:30 AM  
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2020-05-22 9:25:57 AM  
"And this is my country," Guillermo said.

That's where you're wrong, bucko. You're an illegal alien and you're going back to your home planet.
 
2020-05-22 9:26:12 AM  
Because he's still an illegal immigrant.

Ya'll are all for the rule of law until it is applied against some group you like.

/remembers when dreamers were supposed to be just a handful of people
//the ones who got straight a's and top results on tests like SATs
///now it's everybody.
 
2020-05-22 9:26:19 AM  
Trump's an asshole?

Yeah, I'm going with Trump's an asshole.
 
2020-05-22 9:27:07 AM  
It's the law. It has to be changed, but don't expect this to happen under Pres. Orangina La Douche.
 
2020-05-22 9:29:06 AM  

RussianPotato: Because he's still an illegal immigrant.

Ya'll are all for the rule of law until it is applied against some group you like.

/remembers when dreamers were supposed to be just a handful of people
//the ones who got straight a's and top results on tests like SATs
///now it's everybody.


Look, it slithered from the Pol tab.
 
2020-05-22 9:29:32 AM  

JamesLengel: Does not matter. They are here illegally.


That statement would carry more weight if our new MAGA fascist/kleptocrat party actually believed in enforcing laws when their people  break them. If they didn't spent most of their breath complaining about and firing the whistleblowers that report their lawbreaking.
 
2020-05-22 9:29:51 AM  
 It's disgusting and reprehensible that brown people south of our border have to cross an imaginary line to get into our country. Funny how Europeans get to simple overstay their visas to break the law. That's white privilege
 
2020-05-22 9:29:52 AM  
They have to earn their right to be here.  Like Melania did.
 
2020-05-22 9:30:40 AM  

The Magical Flying Cow Turd: It's the law. It has to be changed


No it really doesn't. Every other country does fine with a "sneaking in illegally doesn't grant you permanent residence" policy.
 
2020-05-22 9:31:56 AM  

skipping non-voting comment in contest thread: It's disgusting and reprehensible that brown people south of our border have to cross an imaginary line to get into our country. Funny how Europeans get to simple overstay their visas to break the law. That's white privilege


We are getting amped up over a misdemeanor.  That is all overstaying your visa is.
 
2020-05-22 9:32:18 AM  
Just have them apply for an EB-1 Visa. They can either lie about their professional/personal achievements and/or in the section that requires; Applicants "must be able to demonstrate extraordinary ability in the sciences, arts, education, business, or athletics through sustained national or international acclaim," They can just write: "Sucks off rich white guys for money", and I am sure they will get their Visas and subsequent Extraordinary Ability Green Card without any issues.
 
2020-05-22 9:35:10 AM  
Oh look a bunch of 2019 n00bs defending anti immigration policy as if the Statue of Liberty and its dedication never existed.
 
2020-05-22 9:36:47 AM  
FTFA:
"Guillermo and Jonathan Vargas have been in the United States for 18 years."

Couldn't imagine why.
 
2020-05-22 9:37:00 AM  

H31N0US: Oh look a bunch of 2019 n00bs defending anti immigration policy as if the Statue of Liberty and its dedication never existed.


Statue of liberty doesn't write statutes.
 
2020-05-22 9:37:43 AM  
There are procedures. One of them is marrying a citizen and that will make him immune to deportation IF he files an application for citizenship and follows through and becomes a citizen. Has he begun that?

There are other procedures. Congress can overrule the immigration laws and make you a citizen. I think that should be done in worthy cases, which these two men both seem to be. But have they tried that?
 
2020-05-22 9:38:10 AM  

H31N0US: as if the Statue of Liberty and its dedication never existed


What does words from a poem have to do with immigration law?
 
2020-05-22 9:38:13 AM  

advex101: skipping non-voting comment in contest thread: It's disgusting and reprehensible that brown people south of our border have to cross an imaginary line to get into our country. Funny how Europeans get to simple overstay their visas to break the law. That's white privilege

We are getting amped up over a misdemeanor.  That is all overstaying your visa is.


We either need to force Europeans to walk 100s of miles to comit a misdemeanor or we need to give border jumpers visas to overstay. Geography is one of the biggest privileges white people have.
 
2020-05-22 9:38:23 AM  

RussianPotato: H31N0US: Oh look a bunch of 2019 n00bs defending anti immigration policy as if the Statue of Liberty and its dedication never existed.

Statue of liberty doesn't write statutes.


In before you smart your own post
 
2020-05-22 9:39:16 AM  

WastrelWay: Congress can overrule the immigration laws and make you a citizen. I think that should be done in worthy cases, which these two men both seem to be. But have they tried that?


Yeah, for a 1 in 100,000,000 chance that Congress grants someone citizenship. Who is the last person that was done for? Sir Winston Churchill?
 
2020-05-22 9:40:58 AM  
I suggest the Incoming Biden Administration reviews Melania's immigration papers/application :) She will go back to being a pole dancer in Slovenia.
 
2020-05-22 9:41:12 AM  

skipping non-voting comment in contest thread: advex101: skipping non-voting comment in contest thread: It's disgusting and reprehensible that brown people south of our border have to cross an imaginary line to get into our country. Funny how Europeans get to simple overstay their visas to break the law. That's white privilege

We are getting amped up over a misdemeanor.  That is all overstaying your visa is.

We either need to force Europeans to walk 100s of miles to comit a misdemeanor or we need to give border jumpers visas to overstay. Geography is one of the biggest privileges white people have.


Your desperation is noted.
 
2020-05-22 9:41:22 AM  

skipping non-voting comment in contest thread: It's disgusting and reprehensible that brown people south of our border have to cross an imaginary line to get into our country. Funny how Europeans get to simple overstay their visas to break the law. That's white privilege


What a white European who got into this country with an illegitimately obtained visa who married an American to stay here may look like:
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2020-05-22 9:43:49 AM  

RussianPotato: Because he's still an illegal immigrant.

Ya'll are all for the rule of law until it is applied against some group you like.

/remembers when dreamers were supposed to be just a handful of people
//the ones who got straight a's and top results on tests like SATs
///now it's everybody.


They've been here since they were kids. Where are they going to go?
A compassionate and just people would let them stay. A sensible and pragmatic people wouldn't deport highly trained and skilled workers.
 
2020-05-22 9:45:08 AM  

mrmopar5287: WastrelWay: Congress can overrule the immigration laws and make you a citizen. I think that should be done in worthy cases, which these two men both seem to be. But have they tried that?

Yeah, for a 1 in 100,000,000 chance that Congress grants someone citizenship. Who is the last person that was done for? Sir Winston Churchill?


I don't know. You could look it up. The fact is that no one ever tries, no matter how much they want to stay here and how much they deserve to be a citizen. They are content with their illegal status, it seems. If this was something that they did, Congress might get used to the idea and after a bit of committee consideration, including examining the applicant's job history, education, lack of criminal record, etc. it could be come a routine process.
 
2020-05-22 9:48:48 AM  

JamesLengel: Does not matter. They are here illegally.


OOOH now your ok with the "laws"!?!?!
 
2020-05-22 9:49:49 AM  

The Magical Flying Cow Turd: It's the law. It has to be changed, but don't expect this to happen under Pres. Orangina La Douche.


I  thought it was called the Dreamers Act.
 
2020-05-22 9:51:38 AM  

JamesLengel: Does not matter. They are here illegally.


Klyukva: "And this is my country," Guillermo said.

That's where you're wrong, bucko. You're an illegal alien and you're going back to your home planet.



Yeah, they should have realized their folks were here illegally and self-deported themselves out of this country when they were kids or when became adults.

You and the folks who liked your posts can f--k off.
 
2020-05-22 9:58:09 AM  
Seriously though, there must be some organized campaign underway.

Or is this what happens when ISPs shut down the stormfronts of the internet...the rats are out of the barn an into the house?

Gents, you can go jerk each other off in 4chan. No need to proliferate your fascism everywhere else.
 
2020-05-22 9:58:12 AM  

SirEattonHogg: JamesLengel: Does not matter. They are here illegally.

Klyukva: "And this is my country," Guillermo said.

That's where you're wrong, bucko. You're an illegal alien and you're going back to your home planet.


Yeah, they should have realized their folks were here illegally and self-deported themselves out of this country when they were kids or when became adults.

You and the folks who liked your posts can f--k off.


It's the main page. This is where our Kentucky-minded friends get to show their true colors to the world.

Don't complain, or your posts will be moderated without any acknowledgment to the irony.
 
2020-05-22 10:00:15 AM  

MechaPyx: A compassionate and just people would let them stay. A sensible and pragmatic people wouldn't deport highly trained and skilled workers.


A pragmatic people makes public examples out of even mildly-sympathetic cases like theirs ("mildly sympathetic" is being generous here) because the cost of losing them is worth the message it sends to all the people with worse stories. "If the rules weren't bent for them they certainly won't be bent for you."

SirEattonHogg: Yeah, they should have realized their folks were here illegally and self-deported themselves out of this country when they were kids or when became adults.

"They call us Dreamers, but the original dreamers are our parents. They were the ones who had the American dream, those are the ones who came here seeking for a better life for us. We're just a result of their dreams," he said.


Yeah he can fark right off. The country doesn't need more people without respect for rule of law. The British stick-up-the-ass attitude about following rules is what makes the places Great Britain settled so much better to live in than the places settled by Spain or France or Portuga.
 
2020-05-22 10:01:48 AM  
Because the GOP is comprised primarily of assholes.
 
2020-05-22 10:02:44 AM  

WastrelWay: mrmopar5287: WastrelWay: Congress can overrule the immigration laws and make you a citizen. I think that should be done in worthy cases, which these two men both seem to be. But have they tried that?

Yeah, for a 1 in 100,000,000 chance that Congress grants someone citizenship. Who is the last person that was done for? Sir Winston Churchill?

I don't know. You could look it up. The fact is that no one ever tries, no matter how much they want to stay here and how much they deserve to be a citizen. They are content with their illegal status, it seems. If this was something that they did, Congress might get used to the idea and after a bit of committee consideration, including examining the applicant's job history, education, lack of criminal record, etc. it could be come a routine process.


People have tried. I do remember some desperate people trying the "Please, Congress, make me a citizen!" chance.

The only person I distinctly remember being given citizenship by Congress is Sir Winston Churchill. I wasn't there to see it, obviously, but it is recorded history. His citizenship might be honorary for legal and diplomatic reasons, though.
 
2020-05-22 10:05:07 AM  

MechaPyx: RussianPotato: Because he's still an illegal immigrant.

Ya'll are all for the rule of law until it is applied against some group you like.

/remembers when dreamers were supposed to be just a handful of people
//the ones who got straight a's and top results on tests like SATs
///now it's everybody.

They've been here since they were kids. Where are they going to go?
A compassionate and just people would let them stay. A sensible and pragmatic people wouldn't deport highly trained and skilled workers.


Do people like you ever really think about things, or just say emotionally charged but intellectually devoid things that don't hold up to any type of scrutiny?  Things don't work and aren't going to work the way you think they should.  Come on over, do your thing, and hope you don't get noticed.  But if you get caught, well, you got caught.  Life ins't fair.  The sooner people realize that and accept it the better.  It has nothing to do with compassion.  The second one of those brothers gets a DUI and causes a wreck, people like you will forget about compassion.  Then you'll want to pick and choose.  Being just, well, I think upholding the law equally is being just.  Sensible is not making an exception because of a skill set.  What you're asking for is a world where you don't know what the rules are because you want everything to be looked at on a case by case basis with exceptions being made based on feelings.  And when someone you don't like is given the "boys will be boys" treatment, you'll have a fit.
 
2020-05-22 10:06:33 AM  
Also, nurses are a dime a dozen now. Remember all those nurses who are laid off because hospitals canceled all the elective surgeries? They are US citizens who might want to work instead of having a couple illegal aliens STEALING THEIR JOBS! What a farked up country where we have citizens on unemployment and illegal aliens working their jobs.
 
2020-05-22 10:08:08 AM  
This thread quickly turned into a 4chan alarm dumpster fire.
 
2020-05-22 10:08:18 AM  

MurphyMurphy: SirEattonHogg: JamesLengel: Does not matter. They are here illegally.

Klyukva: "And this is my country," Guillermo said.

That's where you're wrong, bucko. You're an illegal alien and you're going back to your home planet.


Yeah, they should have realized their folks were here illegally and self-deported themselves out of this country when they were kids or when became adults.

You and the folks who liked your posts can f--k off.

It's the main page. This is where our Kentucky-minded friends get to show their true colors to the world.

Don't complain, or your posts will be moderated without any acknowledgment to the irony.


You have the whole pol tab as your little echo chamber.  Head over there if you can't handle hearing a different opinion.
 
2020-05-22 10:10:33 AM  

WastrelWay: The fact is that no one ever tries, no matter how much they want to stay here and how much they deserve to be a citizen. They are content with their illegal status, it seems. If this was something that they did, Congress might get used to the idea and after a bit of committee consideration, including examining the applicant's job history, education, lack of criminal record, etc. it could be come a routine process.



The fact is...that unless you are in the country with some sort of legal standing, you are NOT ALLOWED TO APPLY for permanent residency or citizenship.

The Dreamers Act was "some sort of legal standing" that has now been taken away by Cheetolini and his toadies.
 
2020-05-22 10:12:27 AM  
Because the law doesn't have an exception for sympathetic situations like theirs.
 
2020-05-22 10:19:41 AM  

Jeebus Saves: Do people like you ever really think about things, or just say emotionally charged but intellectually devoid things that don't hold up to any type of scrutiny?



Look in a mirror when you say that.

Everyone involved in the Dreamers Act was brought to this country when they were a child. 80% of them were under 10 years of age.
When you were under 10, did you have any say in where you lived? If your parents said "Guess what Little Jeebus? We're moving to Toledo!" Could you say "Naw. I'm good. I'll just stay here in Podunkville" and make it stick?

No. Your ass went to Toledo. Same with these guys, but somehow you expect them to have turned around at the border and marched right back where they came from.
 
2020-05-22 10:20:04 AM  

potterydove: Because the law doesn't have an exception for sympathetic situations like theirs.


That's pretty much it, and that's never going to change.  There are tons of laws that need to be fixed or abolished.  I'm not going to fault anyone for breaking those laws or think they're bad for doing so.  But if you get caught, well, you got caught.  Honestly, if I was afraid of being deported, I wouldn't being giving interviews.
 
2020-05-22 10:20:39 AM  
When Parents rob banks we don't let the children keep the money.  Ill gotten gains.  That's why.  If we let parents who robbed banks give the money to their children and their children were able to keep it we would have more bank robbers.  This is what is happening with immigration.
 
2020-05-22 10:23:07 AM  

Klyukva: MechaPyx: A compassionate and just people would let them stay. A sensible and pragmatic people wouldn't deport highly trained and skilled workers.

A pragmatic people makes public examples out of even mildly-sympathetic cases like theirs ("mildly sympathetic" is being generous here) because the cost of losing them is worth the message it sends to all the people with worse stories. "If the rules weren't bent for them they certainly won't be bent for you."

SirEattonHogg: Yeah, they should have realized their folks were here illegally and self-deported themselves out of this country when they were kids or when became adults.

"They call us Dreamers, but the original dreamers are our parents. They were the ones who had the American dream, those are the ones who came here seeking for a better life for us. We're just a result of their dreams," he said.

Yeah he can fark right off. The country doesn't need more people without respect for rule of law. The British stick-up-the-ass attitude about following rules is what makes the places Great Britain settled so much better to live in than the places settled by Spain or France or Portuga.


Your view of rule of law in this situation makes ZERO sense.  These persons spent most of their formative years in the US not due to their own decisions.  Who in their right mind would voluntarily self-deport or go back to their parent's country of origin, where they never spent any time (except during their earliest childhood) when they were not responsible for being here in the first place?

If we were talking about the parents who snuck in then then yes, there is a good reason for kicking them out.  If these young persons at issue had committed a crime (a serious one - not a traffic infraction), then again I think there may be good reason to deport them (like other green card holders).

However, these are persons who have done good in the US.  Went to school, working (and not sucking off the public teat) and paying taxes (presumably).

Lot of folks here talking lofty abut the laws and about kicking these folks out just because they happen to have been genetically lucky enough that their grandparents or great grandparents came to the US from whatever European shiathole when the US loved them some white immigrants without visa paperwork.
 
2020-05-22 10:23:58 AM  
Guys, I found the "summon all the right-wing troglodyte assholes" topic. But I repeat myself...
 
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