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(ABC News)   Seems the scientific community doesn't think much of Trump's hand-picked company that seems to just exist to grab a half a billion of tax payer dollars for its "promising" vaccine. The company with the CEO who has millions in stock options   (abcnews.go.com) divider line
    More: Facepalm, Immune system, Vaccine, potential vaccine, Moderna Inc., biotech company, Dr. Peter Jay Hotez, rapid production of a vaccine, Infectious disease  
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2020-05-22 2:43:28 AM  
"It's critical that we realize this is a company that has never materialized a vaccine before."

Yes, that could temper expectations just a little.
 
2020-05-22 3:16:18 AM  
The company whose CEO is now the vaccine czar.

Kiss Trump's ass.  Make a gazillion dollars.  I almost don't blame them.
 
2020-05-22 10:10:10 AM  
Oh ye of little faith.  If Trump says they will produce a vaccine, they will produce a vaccine.  When has Trump ever been wrong before?
 
2020-05-22 10:14:08 AM  
On Wednesday, Bancel defended the move in an interview on Fox Business

I think we can agree that any corporate executive who goes on Fox Business is probably on the up and up, just as we can agree that my European supermodel girlfriend gives top notch blowjobs.
 
2020-05-22 10:19:59 AM  
This isn't about a vaccine, it's about money for rich people Has no one caught on yet?
 
2020-05-22 10:39:17 AM  
It is a good strategy for a vaccine and I hope it works. I also think that it makes sense to fund multiple different strategies with strong efforts, essentially do things in parallel and hope that one (or more) is successful. It will ultimately be cheaper to do that if it produces a working  vaccine 3 months earlier.

I just think that there should be a scientific review process in picking those multiple strategies, not a political one.
 
2020-05-22 10:52:15 AM  
 
2020-05-22 11:24:14 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: Trump doesn't think much of it either, apparently.


Come on Zombie Apocalypse!!
 
2020-05-22 11:25:55 AM  
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2020-05-22 11:26:41 AM  
We already have a cure with the Hydroxycotinchlorine, why bother with a vaccine?
 
2020-05-22 11:26:49 AM  
So it's the Cold Fusion of the Covid age?

/yes I'm old.
 
2020-05-22 11:29:12 AM  
"You don't do science by press release."

Where have I seen this before?

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2020-05-22 11:31:01 AM  
My prediction a week ago:

Step 1. Announce non-existent 100% COVID cure.
Step 2: Wait for Dumbass-in-Chief to promote it on Twitter.
Step 3: Watch stocks skyrocket.
Step 4: Sell off all stock you have, then sell company to one of Dotard's shell corporations.
Step 5: Profit!
 
2020-05-22 11:34:39 AM  
I completely expect, in the panicked last weeks of the campaign this autumn, for the Current Occupant to claim he's got some sort of Secret Cure that only He can implement, and only if He is re-elected.
 
2020-05-22 11:41:47 AM  

The Perineum Falcon: Oh ye of little faith.  If Trump says they will produce a vaccine, they will produce a vaccine.  When has Trump ever been wrong before?


Whenever trump decides to take one more breath or his heart to pump one more time, he's wrong.
 
2020-05-22 11:44:38 AM  
I fully expect the first vaccines to kill thousands.
 
2020-05-22 11:47:56 AM  

RainDawg: I fully expect the first vaccines to kill thousands.


And as already pointed out, real scientists and non stupid people will then be antivaxxers
Good times
 
2020-05-22 11:56:15 AM  
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2020-05-22 12:03:06 PM  
I doubt there will be a vaccine. He's dumping money into shell companies and funneling it to cronies to prop up the stock market.

90,000 dead and 20% unemployment. Stock market: 😃🎉

That's not how it works. And if it is, burn that shiat to the ground.
 
2020-05-22 12:04:26 PM  

RainDawg: I fully expect the first vaccines to kill thousands.


By golly they have been telling you for years vaccines are dangerous and now they are out to prove it.
 
2020-05-22 12:04:32 PM  
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I'm more interested in the activity that started between Feb 24th and Feb 26th.  After a stock price that had risen to no higher than $23 for the past year, there's a sudden ~50% increase in stock price from $20 to $29 which then climbs up to $80 after a series of announcements.  Was it public knowledge in late Feb that Moderna was selected by the Feds to generate a vaccine?
 
2020-05-22 12:04:46 PM  

bdub77: On Wednesday, Bancel defended the move in an interview on Fox Business

I think we can agree that any corporate executive who goes on Fox Business is probably on the up and up, just as we can agree that my European supermodel girlfriend gives top notch blowjobs.


How dare you lie like this! Your girlfriend is from Canada
 
2020-05-22 12:08:45 PM  

valkore: [Fark user image 667x576]

I'm more interested in the activity that started between Feb 24th and Feb 26th.  After a stock price that had risen to no higher than $23 for the past year, there's a sudden ~50% increase in stock price from $20 to $29 which then climbs up to $80 after a series of announcements.  Was it public knowledge in late Feb that Moderna was selected by the Feds to generate a vaccine?


That looks like standard speculation based on the fact that they were in the vaccine business in general and had some technology that might come into play for the coming pandemic. I think you'll find upward movement in all companies that were positioned to produce a candidate vaccine.
 
2020-05-22 12:26:53 PM  

RainDawg: I fully expect the first vaccines to kill thousands.


Count on it. That would be completely normal. Most vaccines kill a statistically insignificant number of people. If, say, two billion people were inoculated, mere thousands dead would be pretty damn good for a new vaccine.

And, of course, the first to die will become a martyr for the know-nothing crowd, who will say it means the scientists are killing us all for their inscrutable, nefarious purposes.
 
2020-05-22 12:32:26 PM  
I have a minor quibble with the reference to "the most sought-after vaccine in more than a century." The first polio vaccine was released in 1952, the first measles vaccine in 1963, and - remind me, when was the HIV vaccine made available?
 
2020-05-22 12:35:55 PM  

BMulligan: RainDawg: I fully expect the first vaccines to kill thousands.

Count on it. That would be completely normal. Most vaccines kill a statistically insignificant number of people. If, say, two billion people were inoculated, mere thousands dead would be pretty damn good for a new vaccine.

And, of course, the first to die will become a martyr for the know-nothing crowd, who will say it means the scientists are killing us all for their inscrutable, nefarious purposes.


I'd give fair warning right now, if there is a viable, scientifically proven, clinically tested and approved vaccine down the road? I'm all for forcibly inoculating every single American.

We cannot go through this shiat again just to coddle stupidity.
 
2020-05-22 12:40:15 PM  
"You don't do science by press release..."

100% this.

All real science is done by presidential tweet or 700 Club group prayer (with eyes closed and hands joined).
 
2020-05-22 12:50:25 PM  
"The company with the CEO who has millions in stock options"
Subby, that does not narrow it down much.
 
2020-05-22 1:03:25 PM  

GregInIndy: I completely expect, in the panicked last weeks of the campaign this autumn, for the Current Occupant to claim he's got some sort of Secret Cure that only He can implement, and only if He is re-elected.


Book it. This one is a 100% guaranteed certainty. Same as he is the only one that can fix the decimated economy after we re-elect him. He won't even try to save it before the election.
 
2020-05-22 1:19:14 PM  
Trump is so bad at this.
 
2020-05-22 1:28:25 PM  
This study has some of the same issues others have been criticized for.

The patients used weren't random, the study authors had access to their files.

So as their putting this together if they see, Joe Smith took it had miraculous recovery, no side effects.  there's nothing that prevented them from just not including that guy in the study.

So his positive results wouldn't have an affect on the numbers.

Do this a few thousand times and you can make the results look extremely bad for hydroxychloriquine.  Which oddly enough looks like that's how it turned out.  Go figure.
 
2020-05-22 1:38:14 PM  

GrizzlyPouch: This study has some of the same issues others have been criticized for.

The patients used weren't random, the study authors had access to their files.

So as their putting this together if they see, Joe Smith took it had miraculous recovery, no side effects.  there's nothing that prevented them from just not including that guy in the study.

So his positive results wouldn't have an affect on the numbers.

Do this a few thousand times and you can make the results look extremely bad for hydroxychloriquine.  Which oddly enough looks like that's how it turned out.  Go figure.


Well if the study was rigged to make Trump* look bad, and it's actually a miracle like 45* says it is, you're welcome to start using it immediately.

No one here will stop you
 
2020-05-22 1:47:14 PM  

Slide10000: GrizzlyPouch: This study has some of the same issues others have been criticized for.

The patients used weren't random, the study authors had access to their files.

So as their putting this together if they see, Joe Smith took it had miraculous recovery, no side effects.  there's nothing that prevented them from just not including that guy in the study.

So his positive results wouldn't have an affect on the numbers.

Do this a few thousand times and you can make the results look extremely bad for hydroxychloriquine.  Which oddly enough looks like that's how it turned out.  Go figure.

Well if the study was rigged to make Trump* look bad, and it's actually a miracle like 45* says it is, you're welcome to start using it immediately.

No one here will stop you


If my doctor prescribed it, I wouldn't have a problem taking it.

It's a safe drug that's been prescribed for decades.  Like all drugs it does have potential side effects to keep an eye out for.

But I'd never seek it out as a preventative for covid since there's about a 99.9999% chance of surviving if I got the virus considering my age and health.
 
2020-05-22 1:58:55 PM  

GrizzlyPouch: This study has some of the same issues others have been criticized for.

The patients used weren't random, the study authors had access to their files.

So as their putting this together if they see, Joe Smith took it had miraculous recovery, no side effects.  there's nothing that prevented them from just not including that guy in the study.

So his positive results wouldn't have an affect on the numbers.

Do this a few thousand times and you can make the results look extremely bad for hydroxychloriquine.  Which oddly enough looks like that's how it turned out.  Go figure.


I'm sure you have some evidence for that claim.

Let's see it.
 
2020-05-22 4:02:01 PM  

valkore: [Fark user image 667x576]

I'm more interested in the activity that started between Feb 24th and Feb 26th.  After a stock price that had risen to no higher than $23 for the past year, there's a sudden ~50% increase in stock price from $20 to $29 which then climbs up to $80 after a series of announcements.  Was it public knowledge in late Feb that Moderna was selected by the Feds to generate a vaccine?


It was public knowledge that any stonk with a COVID-19 programme was going to be of interest to investors and speculators alike. Full timeline of press releases here: https://investors.modernatx.com/news-​r​eleases

The spike on 24 Feb was due to the premarket announcement of the first shipment of vaccine for the Phase I trial. Basically, they kicked it off on Jan 23, raised $500M in capital over Feb 10/11 at a price of $19/share, and it was pretty much off to the races ever since.
 
2020-05-22 9:07:09 PM  

sniderman: My prediction a week ago:

Step 1. Announce non-existent 100% COVID cure.
Step 2: Wait for Dumbass-in-Chief to promote it on Twitter.
Step 3: Watch stocks skyrocket.
Step 4: Sell off all stock you have, then sell company to one of Dotard's shell corporations.
Step 5: Profit!


Well, how about that:
https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/22/invest​i​ng/moderna-coronavirus-vaccine-stock-s​ales/index.html
 
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