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(TreeHugger)   This summer as you're relaxing in an air conditioned mall, restaurant, or gym, try not to think about the fact that the air conditioner is coronavirus' favorite mode of transport   (treehugger.com) divider line
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3 days ago  
Or you could, ya know, like, live in a place that doesn't need air conditioning.

I feel very fortunate to live where I do.

Heaven on earth it is.
 
3 days ago  

TwowheelinTim: Or you could, ya know, like, live in a place that doesn't need air conditioning.

I feel very fortunate to live where I do.

Heaven on earth it is.


San Francisco or Buffalo?  I've lived in both, the rest of the world needs air conditioning.
 
3 days ago  
Uh, I don't know where TFA is getting its information, but cruise ships are the coronavirus' favorite mode of transport.
 
3 days ago  

OptionC: TwowheelinTim: Or you could, ya know, like, live in a place that doesn't need air conditioning.

I feel very fortunate to live where I do.

Heaven on earth it is.

San Francisco or Buffalo?  I've lived in both, the rest of the world needs air conditioning.


And even in Buffalo a lot of public spaces are air-conditioned, whether they need to be or not.
 
3 days ago  
Those places are going to be de facto closed this summer as we get our second wave and the deaths really start.
 
3 days ago  

Monkeyfark Ridiculous: Uh, I don't know where TFA is getting its information, but cruise ships are the coronavirus' favorite mode of transport.


But it uses an airplane to to get to the ship.
 
3 days ago  
Does it travel through air conditioning? I've read some headline where it does not, but I've read so many damn headlines about covid I don't even know any more.

// No, I did not RTFA, this is fark
 
3 days ago  
If the sensible people don't go out, only the stupid get the second wave, and the greedy mall owners who helped push for reopenings, and then they'll lose money and go bust. Their property will be foreclosed and resold for pennies on the dollar, and snapped up by people with a social conscience who survived.

Evolution, perhaps?
I hope so. I also don't think so. Nothing good ever happens anymore.

Is it wrong to view the deaths of the conspiracy theorists and morons as a good thing? I'm losing patience and getting grumpier. I know people in worse situations than me, living with immunocompromised family members, losing their minds seeing everyone flocking out, potentially igniting a second wave. All they, and most of us, want is a short, sharp lockdown to really kill this thing dead. But we can't be trusted to not fark it up because some twat wanted to lie on the beach.

Sorry, turned into a rant there.
To sum up, I hope the irresponsible die and the meek inherit their lands.
 
3 days ago  

Slaxl: If the sensible people don't go out, only the stupid get the second wave, and the greedy mall owners who helped push for reopenings, and then they'll lose money and go bust. Their property will be foreclosed and resold for pennies on the dollar, and snapped up by people with a social conscience who survived.

Evolution, perhaps?
I hope so. I also don't think so. Nothing good ever happens anymore.

Is it wrong to view the deaths of the conspiracy theorists and morons as a good thing? I'm losing patience and getting grumpier. I know people in worse situations than me, living with immunocompromised family members, losing their minds seeing everyone flocking out, potentially igniting a second wave. All they, and most of us, want is a short, sharp lockdown to really kill this thing dead. But we can't be trusted to not fark it up because some twat wanted to lie on the beach.

Sorry, turned into a rant there.
To sum up, I hope the irresponsible die and the meek inherit their lands.


You don't sound as if being soaked in the blood of Jesus is a convincing enough defensive mitigation against a planet's contaigen.

Go directly to church.
Do not collect $200

Put your money in the hand of the man who steals the quarters, 🎶
 
3 days ago  

Slaxl: All they, and most of us, want is a short, sharp lockdown to really kill this thing dead


Once a virus is in the wild, it's not that easy.  Smallpox took decades to eradicate.  Polio was close to eradication when COVID-19 happened.  It's amazingly difficult to locate and inoculate all the bad monkeys.
 
3 days ago  
I won't be going to many clubs or gyms, that's for sure. I could see going to yoga or perhaps a pub, though. They seem like less risky excursions.
 
3 days ago  
Everyone should read the Cdc restaurant study where the A/C took the virus from one person and infected 10.

https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/​7​/20-0764_article
 
3 days ago  
Modern buildings that are well sealed for energy efficiency and have large indoor spaces are going to have mechanical ventilation regardless of whether or not they have or are running their A/C.
 
3 days ago  
Unless you have a HEPA filter or UV-C light in the system.
 
3 days ago  

Slaxl: Is it wrong to view the deaths of the conspiracy theorists and morons as a good thing? I'm losing patience and getting grumpier.


I'm feeling you.  I try to remember it's anathema to the way I was raised and my core beliefs to wish suffering on anyone.  I'm trying to spend less time on the internet and more time doing other things. I've finished a lot of projects around the house that I had been putting off.  I may take up gardening or something.  It seems when I get off the computer and turn off the TV, I feel more peaceful in general.
 
3 days ago  
The culprit wasn't "air conditioning", the culprit was the air moving through the space.  Tests of the AC unit intake and output air showed no residual virus.  So, don't sit downwind of infected persons.
 
3 days ago  
I don't know if the headline was intended to make me think of the beginning of Dazed and Confused, but it did.
 
3 days ago  

Slaxl: If the sensible people don't go out, only the stupid get the second wave, and the greedy mall owners who helped push for reopenings, and then they'll lose money and go bust. Their property will be foreclosed and resold for pennies on the dollar, and snapped up by people with a social conscience who survived.

Evolution, perhaps?
I hope so. I also don't think so. Nothing good ever happens anymore.

Is it wrong to view the deaths of the conspiracy theorists and morons as a good thing? I'm losing patience and getting grumpier. I know people in worse situations than me, living with immunocompromised family members, losing their minds seeing everyone flocking out, potentially igniting a second wave. All they, and most of us, want is a short, sharp lockdown to really kill this thing dead. But we can't be trusted to not fark it up because some twat wanted to lie on the beach.

Sorry, turned into a rant there.
To sum up, I hope the irresponsible die and the meek inherit their lands.


Sadly untrue. The irresponsible get sick, and spread the virus willy nilly to essential workers, their families, hospitals... e'eryone.
 
3 days ago  
And yet, we are stuck in the air conditioning trap, building ineffecient glass buildings in places too hot to live without a/c

https://www.theguardian.com/environme​n​t/2019/aug/29/the-air-conditioning-tra​p-how-cold-air-is-heating-the-world

By 1970, 35% of American houses had air conditioning, more than 200 times the number just three decades earlier. Over time, the public found they liked air conditioning, and its use continued to climb, reaching 87% of US households by 2009.
 
3 days ago  

TheGreatGazoo: UV-C light in the system


This does wonders to keep mold off the condenser. UV-C light blasting all the intake air kills everything and it costs like $10 a year to run.
 
3 days ago  

Slaxl: If the sensible people don't go out, only the stupid get the second wave, and the greedy mall owners who helped push for reopenings, and then they'll lose money and go bust. Their property will be foreclosed and resold for pennies on the dollar, and snapped up by people with a social conscience who survived.

Evolution, perhaps?
I hope so. I also don't think so. Nothing good ever happens anymore.

Is it wrong to view the deaths of the conspiracy theorists and morons as a good thing? I'm losing patience and getting grumpier. I know people in worse situations than me, living with immunocompromised family members, losing their minds seeing everyone flocking out, potentially igniting a second wave. All they, and most of us, want is a short, sharp lockdown to really kill this thing dead. But we can't be trusted to not fark it up because some twat wanted to lie on the beach.

Sorry, turned into a rant there.
To sum up, I hope the irresponsible die and the meek inherit their lands.


This will not be stopped via lockdown. Very reliable Farkers insist lockdowns are to flatten the curve.  So which is it today?
 
3 days ago  

QFarker: The culprit wasn't "air conditioning", the culprit was the air moving through the space.  Tests of the AC unit intake and output air showed no residual virus.  So, don't sit downwind of infected persons.


Shhh...you are ruining the latest scare tactic.
 
3 days ago  

mrmopar5287: TheGreatGazoo: UV-C light in the system

This does wonders to keep mold off the condenser. UV-C light blasting all the intake air kills everything and it costs like $10 a year to run.


Plus about $50 to $100/year for the replacement bulbs, at least for the one I have.  I can get cheaper Chinese knockoff bulbs, but I'm not sure how well they work.
 
3 days ago  

TheGreatGazoo: I can get cheaper Chinese knockoff bulbs, but I'm not sure how well they work.


Interesting quandary. UV-C is dangerous to be exposed to. Do the Chinese bulbs work worse in the sense that they emit more UV-C to be more dangerous? Or do they work worse in the sense that they're designed to be dangerous and the failure mode is to not be dangerous?
 
3 days ago  

TheGreatGazoo: Plus about $50 to $100/year for the replacement bulbs


I'll take the cost. In 2014 my parents got their central heat and A/C replaced and the coil was super gross with mold. Installed the UV-C and it's fine now, killing everything in the air stream drawn in through the intake side. I change the bulb once a year on a schedule.
 
3 days ago  

bfh0417: This will not be stopped via lockdown. Very reliable Farkers insist lockdowns are to flatten the curve.


Both are true.
 
3 days ago  

TheGreatGazoo: Unless you have a HEPA filter or UV-C light in the system.


Or an electrostatic precipitator.
 
3 days ago  

mrmopar5287: TheGreatGazoo: I can get cheaper Chinese knockoff bulbs, but I'm not sure how well they work.

Interesting quandary. UV-C is dangerous to be exposed to. Do the Chinese bulbs work worse in the sense that they emit more UV-C to be more dangerous? Or do they work worse in the sense that they're designed to be dangerous and the failure mode is to not be dangerous?


If you set out to fail and you succeed, what have you done?

In all semi-seriousness: for large high power applications, I suspect that bare mercury vapor tubes remain the only realistic option. Can't really fake that.
 
2 days ago  

erik-k: In all semi-seriousness: for large high power applications, I suspect that bare mercury vapor tubes remain the only realistic option. Can't really fake that.


And there really isn't any reason to fake it.

"Wait, you're telling me we have to manufacture fluorescent lamps, but we can leave out the phosphor coating on the inside and don't have to meet any safety regulations about UV exposure?! Where do I sign for that contract!"
 
2 days ago  

mrmopar5287: erik-k: In all semi-seriousness: for large high power applications, I suspect that bare mercury vapor tubes remain the only realistic option. Can't really fake that.

And there really isn't any reason to fake it.

"Wait, you're telling me we have to manufacture fluorescent lamps, but we can leave out the phosphor coating on the inside and don't have to meet any safety regulations about UV exposure?! Where do I sign for that contract!"


There is one potential way to cheat: Germicidal bulbs need to be made of fused quartz and not standard soda lime glass. Most materials, including normal glass, are highly absorbtive at 250nm. It's actually part of what shields against any UVC that leaks past the phosphor in normal lights.

I discovered the hard way that many glasses even block the 380nm that's used to expose circuit board photoresists. Followed by realizing that I should probably be wearing anti-UV glasses if I'm going to be looking down into a chamber with 20W of UVB emitting diodes in it.
 
2 days ago  

OptionC: TwowheelinTim: Or you could, ya know, like, live in a place that doesn't need air conditioning.

I feel very fortunate to live where I do.

Heaven on earth it is.

San Francisco or Buffalo?  I've lived in both, the rest of the world needs air conditioning.


Close, but even better. We got better weed, and WAY fewer people.

/Humboldt
 
2 days ago  
So, Legionnaires' disease all over again??
 
2 days ago  
If the ductwork is cleaned regularly and the inside coated with a mold and pathogen resistant finish, the risk can be immensely reduced.I did a huge contract in a university campus recently
 
2 days ago  

bfh0417: Slaxl: If the sensible people don't go out, only the stupid get the second wave, and the greedy mall owners who helped push for reopenings, and then they'll lose money and go bust. Their property will be foreclosed and resold for pennies on the dollar, and snapped up by people with a social conscience who survived.

Evolution, perhaps?
I hope so. I also don't think so. Nothing good ever happens anymore.

Is it wrong to view the deaths of the conspiracy theorists and morons as a good thing? I'm losing patience and getting grumpier. I know people in worse situations than me, living with immunocompromised family members, losing their minds seeing everyone flocking out, potentially igniting a second wave. All they, and most of us, want is a short, sharp lockdown to really kill this thing dead. But we can't be trusted to not fark it up because some twat wanted to lie on the beach.

Sorry, turned into a rant there.
To sum up, I hope the irresponsible die and the meek inherit their lands.

This will not be stopped via lockdown. Very reliable Farkers insist lockdowns are to flatten the curve.  So which is it today?


Oh hey, you're one of those morons who hear two separate people say something then pretend they're part of one unified whole, who are spreading contradictory information.

You're one unified hole.
 
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