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(Jalopnik)   Dear Mazda, just stop farking around and make a great car   (jalopnik.com) divider line
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1698 clicks; posted to Geek » on 21 May 2020 at 10:42 PM (3 days ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook



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3 days ago  
They already do. The Miata.
 
3 days ago  
I would love to see electric vehicles like Tesla.

//Embrace the future!
 
3 days ago  

Frank N Stein: They already do. The Miata.


AirForceVet: I would love to see electric vehicles like Tesla.


These - especially the ND and the FD
 
3 days ago  

Frank N Stein: They already do. The Miata.


When you see another Miata😂
Youtube m8lY1De7ZNM
 
3 days ago  
Americans only want crossovers and SUVs because gas will be cheap and plentiful forever.
 
3 days ago  
How much money does this guy have that he has such an interest in seeing this thing built? If they make it, maybe what -- 500 people will ever get to drive one?
 
3 days ago  
You can drive it, but only in Gran Turismo

It still leaks fluids, of course.
 
3 days ago  
My mazdaspeed is allright..

/ten years in and going strong
 
3 days ago  

FlippityFlap: My mazdaspeed is allright..

/ten years in and going strong


Case in point.
 
3 days ago  
My wife has a NC Miata that's getting a rotary swap when that wonderful little 4cyl in it finally croaks...

And before then, I'm getting another FB RX7. I've owned two and they're my favorite cars ever.

Anything Mazda can throw at me with a rotary in it is gonna appeal to me.
 
3 days ago  

Frank N Stein: They already do. The Miata.


It's perfect if you are 5'2".
 
3 days ago  

Frank N Stein: They already do. The Miata.


This. And I say that as a proud Fiero lover.

Something like an S2000, highly tuned with a real stick shift and paddle shift option. Turbo it!

Or just go balls to the wall with a supercar that undercuts the new Vette. If anyone can make an underdog growl, it's Mazda.

/I still love the AZ-1
 
3 days ago  

youre killing independent george: My wife has a NC Miata that's getting a rotary swap when that wonderful little 4cyl in it finally croaks...

And before then, I'm getting another FB RX7. I've owned two and they're my favorite cars ever.

Anything Mazda can throw at me with a rotary in it is gonna appeal to me.


This is the sort of innovation I'm talking about. A variable timing rotary engine would be sick, and probably take care of a lot of the emissions and low-RPM torque issues.

That engine is already a work of art. Throwing something like variable lift and duration would be a masterpiece of industrial design.
 
3 days ago  

Random Anonymous Blackmail: FlippityFlap: My mazdaspeed is allright..

/ten years in and going strong

Case in point.


they killed it off...I agree with you.
 
3 days ago  

Marcus Aurelius: You can drive it, but only in Gran Turismo

It still leaks fluids, of course.


And the hub bearings are howling away at 20k miles.
 
3 days ago  
I really wanted to wait until Mazda had a nice all-electric ride, but my old car forced my hand. Oh well. I guess I'll just keep wishing my car could look that good.
 
3 days ago  
Mazda thread!

I've got an '01 Miata hardtop and a '15 3 GT 2.5. Had a '92 MX-3 V6 before the Miata. The Miata is dead reliable and very fun to drive. The 3 is great, too--especially the motor--but I'm having issues with the rear camera (very noisy picture and sometimes doesn't work at all). Dash screen was replaced under recall and that seemed to fix it for a little while. Wish I could afford the new 3, which looks fantastic in white or red. And I can't think of any other car I would even consider in white or red.
 
3 days ago  

seelorq: Mazda thread!

I've got an '01 Miata hardtop and a '15 3 GT 2.5. Had a '92 MX-3 V6 before the Miata. The Miata is dead reliable and very fun to drive. The 3 is great, too--especially the motor--but I'm having issues with the rear camera (very noisy picture and sometimes doesn't work at all). Dash screen was replaced under recall and that seemed to fix it for a little while. Wish I could afford the new 3, which looks fantastic in white or red. And I can't think of any other car I would even consider in white or red.


Check your connections at the camera end. They may be jacked up with dust.

I wish my Fiero had a rear camera. 😝 For real, the rear view mirror gave you as much panorama as possible in that ride.

Just be glad the Mazda engineers loved cars as much as Pontiac. They bought a Ferrari 308 to beat, you know. Too bad that came out in 88, and that they made such shiatty cars in 84.

The 1990 prototype was something else. Can't remember if it was a stroked 2.8 or underbored 3.4 (which was massively better than the 2.8 in every way, most notably the oiling). It also had the intercooler in the spoiler.

Sorry to threadjack there, but we did have a Fiero vs Miata discussion earlier. 😘

/the SD4 motor was still a beast
//and a perfect match with a Miata
 
3 days ago  
Stibium:

Check your connections at the camera end. They may be jacked up with dust.

I wish my Fiero had a rear camera. 😝 For real, the rear view mirror gave you as much panorama as possible in that ride.

Just be glad the Mazda engineers loved cars as much as Pontiac. They bought a Ferrari 308 to beat, you know. Too bad that came out in 88, and that they made such shiatty cars in 84.

The 1990 prototype was something else. Can't remember if it was a stroked 2.8 or underbored 3.4 (which was massively better than the 2.8 in every way, most notably the oiling). It also had the intercooler in the spoiler.

Sorry to threadjack there, but we did have a Fiero vs Miata discussion earlier. 😘

/the SD4 motor was still a beast
//and a perfect match with a Miata


Thanks! Will do.

I also think the Fiero was killed just as it was getting great. Unfortunately I've never had one. I think the main reason was I rented a Pontiac Sunfire in grad school. It looked sporty enough, but drove pigly with bonus bass-ackwards ergonomics. That really turned me off American "sporty" cars. Dad's old '79 VW Rabbit diesel handled better.
 
3 days ago  
Oh look. Another one out of how many thousands of Concept cars that will never be made.

Jalopnik must be desperate for clicks.
 
3 days ago  

seelorq: Stibium:

Check your connections at the camera end. They may be jacked up with dust.

I wish my Fiero had a rear camera. 😝 For real, the rear view mirror gave you as much panorama as possible in that ride.

Just be glad the Mazda engineers loved cars as much as Pontiac. They bought a Ferrari 308 to beat, you know. Too bad that came out in 88, and that they made such shiatty cars in 84.

The 1990 prototype was something else. Can't remember if it was a stroked 2.8 or underbored 3.4 (which was massively better than the 2.8 in every way, most notably the oiling). It also had the intercooler in the spoiler.

Sorry to threadjack there, but we did have a Fiero vs Miata discussion earlier. 😘

/the SD4 motor was still a beast
//and a perfect match with a Miata

Thanks! Will do.

I also think the Fiero was killed just as it was getting great. Unfortunately I've never had one. I think the main reason was I rented a Pontiac Sunfire in grad school. It looked sporty enough, but drove pigly with bonus bass-ackwards ergonomics. That really turned me off American "sporty" cars. Dad's old '79 VW Rabbit diesel handled better.


Sorry to hear you had to drive that. The turbo version was better, but still you were married to that god awful FWD chassis. Really a 2.0 turbo would have been a lively boon to the base model Fiero with that 2.5.

I didn't have to suffer long with that in my 84. I got a damn good deal on a Holley intake and throttle body for $500. It at least got me to 100 horses at the wheel.

And it really showed. I loved it for what it could do, even if it was only about 120 hp. You didn't have to brake, the engine would do everything for you.

My calculus teacher told me about that. He was riding his bike in Hungary one day, and the CEO of Ferrari knocked him over. So he was gifted a complete course at Ferrari driving school. He said the first thing that they taught was "if you are using the brakes, you are going too fast." And he incorporated that into showing the forces on a car going around a curve and the formulas involved.
 
3 days ago  

OkieDookie: Frank N Stein: They already do. The Miata.

It's perfect if you are 5'2".


I'm 6' 2" and have consistently bought abs driven a new Miata every 5 years since 1995.

Plenty of headroom. Soft top slightly more room.
 
3 days ago  

Stibium: youre killing independent george: My wife has a NC Miata that's getting a rotary swap when that wonderful little 4cyl in it finally croaks...

And before then, I'm getting another FB RX7. I've owned two and they're my favorite cars ever.

Anything Mazda can throw at me with a rotary in it is gonna appeal to me.

This is the sort of innovation I'm talking about. A variable timing rotary engine would be sick, and probably take care of a lot of the emissions and low-RPM torque issues.

That engine is already a work of art. Throwing something like variable lift and duration would be a masterpiece of industrial design.


It's a serious gas pig. My RX8 got 14 mpg.
 
3 days ago  
Mazda builds great Italian cars.

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3 days ago  

paulleah: Mazda builds great Italian cars.

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I'm with you, I like the styling of the 124 better.

But I also like the mazda hardtop version.
 
3 days ago  
I like the look of their concept car on the outside.

On the inside...are you farking kidding with all of those buttons?

The last time I saw that many buttons in a vehicle, it was a rerun of Original Star Trek.
 
3 days ago  
Just bring back the Mazdaspeed 3 already.  No need for some crazy swoopy 60K+ car that almost no one will buy.
 
3 days ago  
Just bought a new car in November and fell hard for the new Mazda 3. Looks, handles, and drives great. Until I tried to fit anything in the trunk or a child in the back seat.

/bought a Civic instead
//no ragerts
///3
 
3 days ago  

debug: Just bring back the Mazdaspeed 3 already.  No need for some crazy swoopy 60K+ car that almost no one will buy.


My son has a 2013 Mazdaspeed 3.  He's putting down 420hp to the wheels.  It's a real hand full in 1st and 2nd gear due to the torque steer.
 
3 days ago  

Frank N Stein: They already do. The Miata.


I freakin' love my MX5. Love. It.
 
3 days ago  

OkieDookie: Frank N Stein: They already do. The Miata.

It's perfect if you are 5'2".


I've gotten to drive my mom's '18 MX-5 a few times. I'm just shy of 6' and find it plenty comfortable.
 
3 days ago  

Stibium: Throwing something like variable lift and duration would be a masterpiece of industrial design.


How you gonna do that with an engine that doesn't have valves?
 
3 days ago  

Stibium: probably take care of a lot of the emissions


The emissions issue is because a rotary combustion needs internal lubrication in the combustion chamber. They *SHOULD* be using 2-stroke oil, either mixed with the gasoline or with direct injection similar to Evinrude E-TEC outboards. 2-stroke oil is specifically engineered to be combusted with low emissions.

What Mazda does as a substitute is to use an oil injection pump that feeds a variable dribble of engine oil into the intake. The older RX-7 cars dripped the oil down the intake and metered some excess to account for that not working really well. RX-8 cars had an injection system that was better, to use less oil, and helped to lower emissions a bit. Those RX-8 cars are still famous for their rampant oil consumption because it's part of the beast. Owners have to check the engine oil and constantly top it off.

Mazda *COULD* build an engine that features a reservoir of 2-stroke oil for controlled injection into the intake air stream, or maybe pinpoint precision injected into the rotor chambers wherever the oil is needed most. Japanese motorcycle manufacturers had lots of bikes like this in the 70s to where you didn't have to mix 2-stroke oil with the gas. You filled a separate tank and there was an oil injection system that precision lubed the bearings. I think there are 50cc 2-stroke scooters that still do this today, in 2020.

Would Mazda be willing to build and sell a car with one more thing that owners have to do? Fill the gas, fill the engine oil, and also fill the 2-stroke oil tank?
 
3 days ago  

OkieDookie: Frank N Stein: They already do. The Miata.

It's perfect if you are 5'2".


So it's like a 36-24-36?
 
3 days ago  

OkieDookie: Frank N Stein: They already do. The Miata.

It's perfect if you are 5'2".


Pontiac's Solstice was a good upsized Miata that I could fit it.  6'2"  mostly body though
 
2 days ago  

SleepyWeasel: debug: Just bring back the Mazdaspeed 3 already.  No need for some crazy swoopy 60K+ car that almost no one will buy.

My son has a 2013 Mazdaspeed 3.  He's putting down 420hp to the wheels.  It's a real hand full in 1st and 2nd gear due to the torque steer.


Technology has come a long way since 2013, as far as controlling torque steer.  Take a loot at what the Civic Type R can do.
https://www.wired.com/story/honda-civ​i​c-type-r-torque-steer/
 
2 days ago  

debug: SleepyWeasel: debug: Just bring back the Mazdaspeed 3 already.  No need for some crazy swoopy 60K+ car that almost no one will buy.

My son has a 2013 Mazdaspeed 3.  He's putting down 420hp to the wheels.  It's a real hand full in 1st and 2nd gear due to the torque steer.

Technology has come a long way since 2013, as far as controlling torque steer.  Take a loot at what the Civic Type R can do.
https://www.wired.com/story/honda-civi​c-type-r-torque-steer/


My neighbor has a Civic Type R.  Good to see Honda has eliminated torque steer.  Too bad the Type R is hideous looking.  One of next mods on the is going to be drive train strengthening and a limited slip diff.  I see you're in Mechanicsburg, I'm in Carlisle.
 
2 days ago  

SleepyWeasel: debug: SleepyWeasel: debug: Just bring back the Mazdaspeed 3 already.  No need for some crazy swoopy 60K+ car that almost no one will buy.

My son has a 2013 Mazdaspeed 3.  He's putting down 420hp to the wheels.  It's a real hand full in 1st and 2nd gear due to the torque steer.

Technology has come a long way since 2013, as far as controlling torque steer.  Take a loot at what the Civic Type R can do.
https://www.wired.com/story/honda-civi​c-type-r-torque-steer/

My neighbor has a Civic Type R.  Good to see Honda has eliminated torque steer.  Too bad the Type R is hideous looking.  One of next mods on the is going to be drive train strengthening and a limited slip diff.  I see you're in Mechanicsburg, I'm in Carlisle.


Yeah, it's a pretty ugly car, but it's no joke performance wise.

/waves from M-burg.  Waiting to be able to go to Cafe Bruges again.
 
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