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(Flight Global)   The Pentagon is ordering existing technology for a change, meaning the new F-15s they buy will be... God dammit so much   (flightglobal.com) divider line
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2020-05-21 2:32:12 PM  
All part of the F-35 legacy.
 
2020-05-21 3:40:25 PM  
But can we find a way to manufacture one tiny part of the engine in each of the 50 states and then assemble it by hand, triple-charged to two separate cost+ contracts?
 
2020-05-21 4:10:25 PM  
Check (or promise of a job) to one of the folks on the relevant board cleared.
 
2020-05-21 5:31:49 PM  
So basically, F-22 too expensive to buy. Zumwalt destroyers too expensive to buy. Now F-35 too expensive to buy.
 
2020-05-21 6:11:49 PM  
Maybe the pentagon should start buying lottery tickets, they sure could use the money.  What's the powerball these days?
 
2020-05-21 6:49:06 PM  

Pointy Tail of Satan: So basically, F-22 too expensive to buy. Zumwalt destroyers too expensive to buy. Now F-35 too expensive to buy.


When China wins the next war, you'll know why. Grift.
 
2020-05-21 6:56:42 PM  
Lockheed-Martin executives last seen calling their pet congress-critters to ask "WTF? I thought the fix was in and we had a deal?? The A-10, F-15, F-16 and F-18 were all to die so we could sell more F-35's on cost-plus deals???".
 
2020-05-21 6:58:51 PM  

Pointy Tail of Satan: So basically, F-22 too expensive to buy. Zumwalt destroyers too expensive to buy. Now F-35 too expensive to buy.


Didn't they destroy the tooling for the F22?
 
2020-05-21 7:20:20 PM  
agent00pi

Didn't they destroy the tooling for the F22?

Crowdfund it and it'll get 3D-printed.
 
2020-05-21 7:41:53 PM  

agent00pi: Pointy Tail of Satan: So basically, F-22 too expensive to buy. Zumwalt destroyers too expensive to buy. Now F-35 too expensive to buy.

Didn't they destroy the tooling for the F22?


It never got approved for export, so it withered and died.  The F-15 has been continuously upgraded to the point of being ridiculous.
 
2020-05-21 8:26:44 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: agent00pi: Pointy Tail of Satan: So basically, F-22 too expensive to buy. Zumwalt destroyers too expensive to buy. Now F-35 too expensive to buy.

Didn't they destroy the tooling for the F22?

It never got approved for export, so it withered and died.  The F-15 has been continuously upgraded to the point of being ridiculous.


The Arab versions of the F-15 fulfill multiple functions of keeping the line open and R&D, and the graft cost is mostly passed off on the Saudis, Qataris, and Emiratis.
 
2020-05-21 9:39:37 PM  
The engine issue might be about the move to directed thrust which has been flow on several test Eagles in the past.  Now that they are fly by wire, it fixes a key problem of using directed thrust which was told to me as "It [directed thrust] can kill the pilot even faster".  A key issue with the engines is there are attempts to get a 15% speed increase out of the plane which puts its top speed at 40 mph slower than the Blackbird.
 
2020-05-21 9:42:40 PM  
I think I don't understand.  The F15 is a pretty established platform which has gone through a series of evolutionary improvements and will have much lower training requirements.  The article says they want to open the sourcing to other companies which means better prices and potentially multiple sourcing options.  What's the downside?  I really don't follow this stuff much, so I could easily be missing something.
 
2020-05-21 9:55:14 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: agent00pi: Pointy Tail of Satan: So basically, F-22 too expensive to buy. Zumwalt destroyers too expensive to buy. Now F-35 too expensive to buy.

Didn't they destroy the tooling for the F22?

It never got approved for export, so it withered and died.  The F-15 has been continuously upgraded to the point of being ridiculous.


I had heard the reason for that was that any export version would be dumbed down to the point where an F-15 was a better choice in any case.

Not sure how true that is though.
 
2020-05-21 10:12:37 PM  

treesloth: I think I don't understand.  The F15 is a pretty established platform which has gone through a series of evolutionary improvements and will have much lower training requirements.  The article says they want to open the sourcing to other companies which means better prices and potentially multiple sourcing options.  What's the downside?  I really don't follow this stuff much, so I could easily be missing something.


The engines of fighter jets are very closely tied in with the airframe.  In this case they want to make sure they can buy engines from two different companies. That was common long ago but is rare today.

I read that as the USAF saying "we are getting screwed on engine costs".  The lock in is costing them a fortune and hurting R&D.
 
2020-05-21 11:48:48 PM  

DON.MAC: treesloth: I think I don't understand.  The F15 is a pretty established platform which has gone through a series of evolutionary improvements and will have much lower training requirements.  The article says they want to open the sourcing to other companies which means better prices and potentially multiple sourcing options.  What's the downside?  I really don't follow this stuff much, so I could easily be missing something.

The engines of fighter jets are very closely tied in with the airframe.  In this case they want to make sure they can buy engines from two different companies. That was common long ago but is rare today.

I read that as the USAF saying "we are getting screwed on engine costs".  The lock in is costing them a fortune and hurting R&D.


Ok, yeah, that's the line I was thinking on.  I guess I see it as them realizing they could do better, and then trying to do better.  That seems like a good thing.
 
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