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(The New York Observer)   The producers/writers of LOST weigh in on the series finale 10 years after it aired, revisiting the series' development, fan fury around it, and the show's modern impact   (observer.com) divider line
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3 days ago  
Does it have a "modern impact"?
 
3 days ago  
It's been 10 years? Damn.
 
3 days ago  

ginandbacon: Does it have a "modern impact"?


Kinda like Chernobyl. The event, not the HBO series.
 
3 days ago  
"It was an amazing pilot and then, at the end of the pilot, everybody went 'Oh God-what do we do now?

I thought this was the first step and second steps of everything J.J. Abrams does.
 
3 days ago  
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3 days ago  
Has anybody re watched the show?  I don't think I'll ever be able to bring myself to do it.
 
3 days ago  
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3 days ago  

CarnySaur: Has anybody re watched the show?  I don't think I'll ever be able to bring myself to do it.


I'm considering it. Maybe.

I have the first two seasons on DVD... The third season I think was the best one. Some of that show was just amazing.
 
3 days ago  
I bailed well before the LOST finale. But I've never fully emotionally recovered from The Leftovers finale.
 
3 days ago  

CarnySaur: Has anybody re watched the show?  I don't think I'll ever be able to bring myself to do it.


The kids and I are 1/2 way through the last season, been watching it again since the 'rona started.  I don't remember half of it from watching it years ago
 
3 days ago  
The problem was that they believed their own hype, got overwhelmed by the mythos, fizzled in the last season or so, and ended up lying about the conclusion and getting caught, then being called to the carpet on it.

/But enough about X-Files....
 
3 days ago  
Did Fringe end up like Lost? I got bored in between seasons and gave up on Fringe, figured I'd bail before it started to suck.

Lost had brilliance in it. It was just too big of a narrative before they started jumping forwards and backwards, which is really three times the burden of continuity. But, really, it grew from the same conversation as Tom Hank's volleyball vehicle, Castaway. I guess one guy felt that was as far as it could go, and the other guy thought it could do more.

Plus, there was a lot of  shows trying the same formula. Most of them got rebooted if they didn't get cancelled.
 
3 days ago  
I do feel sorry for Jack, Kate and Sawyer, though, they must all be drooling vegetables after all of the traumatic brain injury that came from being knocked out cold every two weeks
 
3 days ago  

Timmy the Tumor: CarnySaur: Has anybody re watched the show?  I don't think I'll ever be able to bring myself to do it.

The kids and I are 1/2 way through the last season, been watching it again since the 'rona started.  I don't remember half of it from watching it years ago


What did the kid ever do to you!?
 
3 days ago  

8 inches: Timmy the Tumor: CarnySaur: Has anybody re watched the show?  I don't think I'll ever be able to bring myself to do it.

The kids and I are 1/2 way through the last season, been watching it again since the 'rona started.  I don't remember half of it from watching it years ago

What did the kid ever do to you!?


I told them repeatedly, "if you two don't stop fighting about every goddamn thing, I'm gonna' make you watch all 120 episodes of LOST."  They didn't believe me
 
3 days ago  

ginandbacon: Does it have a "modern impact"?


Only in the sense that when People say season 8 of Game of Thrones was the worst wrap up of a series ever filmed, someone invariably asks "worse than Lost"?
 
3 days ago  

CarnySaur: Has anybody re watched the show?  I don't think I'll ever be able to bring myself to do it.


I researched a little, jumping around between seasons, just to see what kind of light the final season shed on earlier episodes.  I found most of it very reachable (except most of season 2), but the last season just isn't.  Knowing what's waiting at the end made the 'flash sideways' sections feel like they had no stakes, so half of the episode feel like a complete waste of time.  Fwiw, for context, I was just ok with the finale; didn't love it, didn't hate it.
 
3 days ago  
Like many shows, it would have benefited from only being 3 or 4 seasons, and deciding that from the start.
 
3 days ago  
I liked season 6 fine, and won't run them down for the finale.  It's probably a mistake to try to answer everything too completely because the ending becomes more obvious if you do.
I think the body of work would have been more artistically finished if they moved the opening scene of the last episode of season 5 to the end of the episode, and faded to black.
The one with Jacob and the man in black (Pellegrino and Welliver) talking on the beach.  Just brilliant.

Lost - "The Incident" - Opening Scene with Jacob
Youtube 8SPqImu_kz8


/Do you have any idea how badly I want to kill you?
//Yes
 
3 days ago  

Sophont: "It was an amazing pilot and then, at the end of the pilot, everybody went 'Oh God-what do we do now?

I thought this was the first step and second steps of everything J.J. Abrams does.


My experience with "Alias," Abrams's previous show, was a big reason why I stopped watching "Lost" after only a couple episodes.  "Alias" didn't bother to resolve a number of things, "Lost" was tossing out about 10 times the number of MYSTERIES! per hour "Alias" was, I figured we'd be lucky if they resolved even a third of them.  Watching "The X-Files's" mythology spinning out of control was another reason.
 
3 days ago  

Timmy the Tumor: 8 inches: Timmy the Tumor: CarnySaur: Has anybody re watched the show?  I don't think I'll ever be able to bring myself to do it.

The kids and I are 1/2 way through the last season, been watching it again since the 'rona started.  I don't remember half of it from watching it years ago

What did the kid ever do to you!?

I told them repeatedly, "if you two don't stop fighting about every goddamn thing, I'm gonna' make you watch all 120 episodes of LOST."  They didn't believe me


You should make one of them into master of the home, and trap another there as a smoke monster.  That'll teach 'em
 
3 days ago  

CarnySaur: Has anybody re watched the show?  I don't think I'll ever be able to bring myself to do it.


I have, several times. I think it holds up great. Some stuff is foreshadowed and works great upon a rewatch.  Other stuff, it's obvious they changed plans midway when you know what happens later.  Also, it is an absolutely beautiful show from a production standpoint.

The series didn't go the way I hoped for. I would have much preferred hard sci-fi over "light and water", but I still really like the show and don't regret watching it. The shared experience of dissecting it as it aired was half the fun.
 
3 days ago  

mrparks: Did Fringe end up like Lost? I got bored in between seasons and gave up on Fringe, figured I'd bail before it started to suck.

Lost had brilliance in it. It was just too big of a narrative before they started jumping forwards and backwards, which is really three times the burden of continuity. But, really, it grew from the same conversation as Tom Hank's volleyball vehicle, Castaway. I guess one guy felt that was as far as it could go, and the other guy thought it could do more.

Plus, there was a lot of  shows trying the same formula. Most of them got rebooted if they didn't get cancelled.


Fringe had a weird jump the last season, to the point where as I was watching the first episode I had to go back and make sure I didn't skip like a season somewhere.  Basically I think they wanted to wrap it up so had to jump ahead.  I enjoyed it but it was really confusing for a bit.
 
3 days ago  
Season 1 of Lost is the best single season of a TV show I have ever seen. The Season 3 finale is the best season finale of a show I've ever seen.

I wasn't a huge fan of Season 4, and Season 5 is where things started getting too crazy for me. But I figured since they had announced the end-date YEARS ahead of schedule, that Season 6 would tie everything together, answer all the questions, and that Lindelof/Cuse would stick the landing.

Holy shiat, was I ever wrong. Alternate universe characters, extending the Island mysteries without explaining a damn thing, etc... Season 6 is the biggest letdown of a show I've ever experienced.
 
3 days ago  

NeoCortex42: The shared experience of dissecting it as it aired was half the fun.


All complaints aside, this will forever be true for me as well. I'd say 90% of the people I know watched LOST, and discussing it with them was a fantastic experience.
 
3 days ago  
A movie or series that truly has an impact is remembered, Lost has simply been forgotten and for good reason. I am quite sure many who did watch during that time period chose to never think about it again having moved on with their lives. I am sure there were a few who back in the time tried to justify the finale who now feel differently, and we can add those to the list of people that just do not *#&# about this show. What I see now are excuses and justifications, while never acknowledging the ultimate failure that was this show. But it was a precursor to what we should have expected with GOT's disaster of a final season.

But it is nice that 10 years after they are at least being more honest in admitting they created a series that had no vision or plan, and this was, like Battlestar Galactica, another show written without any vision, plan, or idea. But at least Lindlehoff was able to move on to movies where he could screw up for those audiences, at least thats just 2 hours of our lives lost and not 6 seasons lol
 
3 days ago  
Fwiw, I have prolly watched this scene a dozen times.

LOST 6x07 Iliana & Ben Linus scene HD
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3 days ago  
and disappointing ending. Let's not forget that.
 
3 days ago  

mrparks: Did Fringe end up like Lost? I got bored in between seasons and gave up on Fringe, figured I'd bail before it started to suck.

Lost had brilliance in it. It was just too big of a narrative before they started jumping forwards and backwards, which is really three times the burden of continuity. But, really, it grew from the same conversation as Tom Hank's volleyball vehicle, Castaway. I guess one guy felt that was as far as it could go, and the other guy thought it could do more.

Plus, there was a lot of  shows trying the same formula. Most of them got rebooted if they didn't get cancelled.


Lost did the one thing a serialized mystery show like it simply CANNOT do....it caved to pressure from the networks and abandoned their original story line and started vamping .  Dr. Shepherd, around whom the entire finale and big reveal centered, was never supposed to make it off the beach and originally died in the first episode.  And IIRc the original arc was supposed to go for Three seasons, So when it became a hit and the network said "Moar" they didn't stick to their guns
 
3 days ago  

Magorn: mrparks: Did Fringe end up like Lost? I got bored in between seasons and gave up on Fringe, figured I'd bail before it started to suck.

Lost had brilliance in it. It was just too big of a narrative before they started jumping forwards and backwards, which is really three times the burden of continuity. But, really, it grew from the same conversation as Tom Hank's volleyball vehicle, Castaway. I guess one guy felt that was as far as it could go, and the other guy thought it could do more.

Plus, there was a lot of  shows trying the same formula. Most of them got rebooted if they didn't get cancelled.

Lost did the one thing a serialized mystery show like it simply CANNOT do....it caved to pressure from the networks and abandoned their original story line and started vamping .  Dr. Shepherd, around whom the entire finale and big reveal centered, was never supposed to make it off the beach and originally died in the first episode.  And IIRc the original arc was supposed to go for Three seasons, So when it became a hit and the network said "Moar" they didn't stick to their guns


Jack dying at the start was really early on in development. Back when they were trying to get Michael Keaton or such for the role. That plan was out the window before they even started shooting.

The biggest missed opportunity for me was the actor for Mr. Eko leaving the show.  They set him up to be a major player in the science/faith debate, but he just didn't like being stuck in Hawaii.
 
3 days ago  
I think it would have been a better series if it had ended after Season 5 with Juliet setting off the bomb, or even better, with Season 3's "we have to go back!" But that would require some David Lynch-esque balls that no one has on network tv anymore.

Also Lost was one of the first shows I remember being so heavily dissected and discussed on the internet. So many people came up with so many great theories and stories online that it kind of became almost two shows. What the writers wanted and what the internet wanted. Obviously that led to a lot of disappointment. This happened with Game of Thrones too.
 
3 days ago  
S3 ending was one of the best season endings out there, IIRC that was the "Not Penny's Boat" bit.

The Constant is arguably the single best episode of television I've ever seen.

S1 and S2 were the best, in my book at least.

Kate in a sundress was magical. Them being in cages for a fair portion of S3 helped to grind things to a halt.

Kate was too needy, Juliette would have been lots of fun.

"You guys got any milk?"

A lot of the flashbacks, upon watching them a second time, are very tiresome. Even when initially watching them they never did much for me except in limited cases. I'd be fine if there was an option to shrink them down to just a few minutes instead of zipping through them. Some of them helped a lot but you don't know which ones are legitimately meaningful the first time around but again, the second time they're very tiresome.

The whole discovering the hatch, the light going on at the end of one episode, and the intro to S2 were all awesome.

Ben's daughter was yummy.

Rose and Bernard were cool, just trying to live out the last of their days together and relax.
 
3 days ago  
Also...

FOREVER

Forgot about that until just now.

Karma Chameleon: Also Lost was one of the first shows I remember being so heavily dissected and discussed on the internet. So many people came up with so many great theories and stories online that it kind of became almost two shows.


One of the best aspects of it was just bullshiatting with your buddies, tossing ideas back and forth because you've got to wait for new episodes. Anybody who watches it now can just bulldoze through it, I think the show probably loses something due to that.
 
3 days ago  

mrparks: Did Fringe end up like Lost? I got bored in between seasons and gave up on Fringe, figured I'd bail before it started to suck.

Lost had brilliance in it. It was just too big of a narrative before they started jumping forwards and backwards, which is really three times the burden of continuity. But, really, it grew from the same conversation as Tom Hank's volleyball vehicle, Castaway. I guess one guy felt that was as far as it could go, and the other guy thought it could do more.

Plus, there was a lot of  shows trying the same formula. Most of them got rebooted if they didn't get cancelled.


I enjoyed the finale of Fringe.  It did a good job of explaining everything that happened through the show, even if the final season was like a completely different show.

It may not have been the most satisfying ending for some, but it didn't totally crap the bed.
 
3 days ago  

Uncle Pooky: Season 1 of Lost is the best single season of a TV show I have ever seen. The Season 3 finale is the best season finale of a show I've ever seen.

I wasn't a huge fan of Season 4, and Season 5 is where things started getting too crazy for me. But I figured since they had announced the end-date YEARS ahead of schedule, that Season 6 would tie everything together, answer all the questions, and that Lindelof/Cuse would stick the landing.

Holy shiat, was I ever wrong. Alternate universe characters, extending the Island mysteries without explaining a damn thing, etc... Season 6 is the biggest letdown of a show I've ever experienced.


Hot damn, are you me?!

I loved Season 5 though, and I swear what made it so good must have been Brian K Vaughan of the Saga comics and a bunch of other things. He was gone by Season 6 though yeah what a waste. I really thought they were going to merge the two timelines or something when Desmond got into that crazy machine or whatever. Instead... we got what we got.

I like to pretend it ended with S5's finale and just got cancelled -- it was almost a good enough conclusion I guess with them detonating the bomb or whatever.
 
3 days ago  
"We were literally the first show that was multicultural in that way," Higgins said. "There had been other shows that had black people and white people in the same show, but they didn't interact and have relationships in the same way. It hadn't been done before."

We were literally right after DS9 tackled the same topics with a multicultural cast that had deep relationships and interpersonal challenges with bigotry between people across racial, cultural/ethnic, religious, and species barriers!

Leave it to the Lost team to overvalue their contribution to the medium
 
3 days ago  
Episode 1; they're already dead.
 
3 days ago  

You Are All Sheep: mrparks: Did Fringe end up like Lost? I got bored in between seasons and gave up on Fringe, figured I'd bail before it started to suck.

Lost had brilliance in it. It was just too big of a narrative before they started jumping forwards and backwards, which is really three times the burden of continuity. But, really, it grew from the same conversation as Tom Hank's volleyball vehicle, Castaway. I guess one guy felt that was as far as it could go, and the other guy thought it could do more.

Plus, there was a lot of  shows trying the same formula. Most of them got rebooted if they didn't get cancelled.

Fringe had a weird jump the last season, to the point where as I was watching the first episode I had to go back and make sure I didn't skip like a season somewhere.  Basically I think they wanted to wrap it up so had to jump ahead.  I enjoyed it but it was really confusing for a bit.


Yep.

I'll admit I don't even remember the end. But I definitely wasn't upset about it or anything.

Superb show.
 
3 days ago  
I used to cross the border with Canada to watch this show with a buddy, albeit about 10 years ago.

We would fawn over the new mysteries and new plot points.

I adored the series up through the season 5 cliffhanger.

The last season was like a turd shiat directly in my mouth, with a note attached to it saying, "we hope this turd goes directly into your mouth."
 
3 days ago  
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/Liked the show, hated the ending.
 
3 days ago  

mrparks: Did Fringe end up like Lost?


No.
 
3 days ago  

Spindle: mrparks: Did Fringe end up like Lost? I got bored in between seasons and gave up on Fringe, figured I'd bail before it started to suck.

Lost had brilliance in it. It was just too big of a narrative before they started jumping forwards and backwards, which is really three times the burden of continuity. But, really, it grew from the same conversation as Tom Hank's volleyball vehicle, Castaway. I guess one guy felt that was as far as it could go, and the other guy thought it could do more.

Plus, there was a lot of  shows trying the same formula. Most of them got rebooted if they didn't get cancelled.

I enjoyed the finale of Fringe.  It did a good job of explaining everything that happened through the show, even if the final season was like a completely different show.

It may not have been the most satisfying ending for some, but it didn't totally crap the bed.


They also needed to wrap up, not that they wanted to, but the suits gave them a heads up, and they got more chances at renewal than a Friday Death Slot show should.
 
3 days ago  

someonelse: I bailed well before the LOST finale. But I've never fully emotionally recovered from The Leftovers finale.


hmmm, I may have to finish that show.  I watched the first two seasons but not the third.

I've heard it was really good.
 
3 days ago  

stappawho: someonelse: I bailed well before the LOST finale. But I've never fully emotionally recovered from The Leftovers finale.

hmmm, I may have to finish that show.  I watched the first two seasons but not the third.

I've heard it was really good.


I didn't make it past the first season. It was a good show, but it was so. farking. depressing.

I just couldn't take it and checked out.  It was downright nihilistic.
 
3 days ago  
The finale was stupid, but I didn't become enraged. I just thought, "Well, that was dumb." (wanking motion)
 
3 days ago  
FTA:In addition to the natural chatter, Lost also spearheaded unique viral marketing efforts that engaged with fans across a variety of platforms. The Lost Experience was an alternate reality game created by ABC to attract die-hards and newcomers alike

I was one of the die-hard LOST fans, would spend hours after an episode on boards, debating 5 seconds of the show. However, I felt then and even more now, that the whole "Let's tell some of the story online" thing was a bad idea that contributed to the frustration with the storytelling. My Dad and brother watched the show when it was on the TV and didn't pay attention to it otherwise. They were often confused about stuff, I would tell them and they'd get frustrated that it wasn't explained on the TV version. They gave up after about 2 seasons. Perfect example:

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Polar bears on a tropical island, that was the go-to for people who were confused. They were there as a genetic experiment to see if they could be adapted to the island. However, the clue was in the blast door map which was onscreen for less than 30 seconds when John's legs got caught under the blast door. I knew why the polar bears were there the next morning when that showed up on all the sites I went to (it's in the lower right corner) but it's still a question I get from people who didn't watch it in the original run.

OtherLittleGuy: The problem was that they believed their own hype, got overwhelmed by the mythos, fizzled in the last season or so, and ended up lying about the conclusion and getting caught, then being called to the carpet on it.

^^^ This. I was very skeptical when Carlton Cuse was attached to Bates Motel after LOST, but I love that show too. The focus on the least interesting character, Jack, was also a problem for me, but he was Cuse's favorite, so there we are.

mrparks: Lost had brilliance in it. It was just too big of a narrative before they started jumping forwards and backwards, which is really three times the burden of continuity

I felt like the flashbacks/forwards became a burden around season 4, that they became kind of predictable and silly (see: Charlie's).

Season 5 is where it kind of got iffy for me. Killing off all the other Flight 815 island inhabitants felt like a cost-cutting move more than anything and the way that season set up the ghastly season 6 sideways was disappointing too.

As someone who loves the HBO Westworld --yes, even season 2-- I keep remembering LOST and thinking "Wrap this up in season 4, don't do a LOST and go on too long". I mean, LOST was cranking out 20+ episodes for the first 3 seasons but after the writers strike happened, they pared it down a bit.

/Michael Emerson for the win
 
3 days ago  

CarnySaur: Has anybody re watched the show?  I don't think I'll ever be able to bring myself to do it.


I didn't watch it the first time so pencil me in as a "no".
 
3 days ago  
It was the first TV show I ever streamed and binged.  It was worth it.
 
3 days ago  

CarnySaur: Has anybody re watched the show?  I don't think I'll ever be able to bring myself to do it.


Even if the ending had been decent it's hard to re-watch a whole show. I re-watched the Shield because I felt it had the most satisfying ending of all binge-able shows I'd seen, but that's about it.

Lost was pretty great storytelling and myth-building but getting the ending just right is like catching lightning in a bottle even if you try, and they just phoned that one in.
 
3 days ago  

CarnySaur: Has anybody re watched the show?  I don't think I'll ever be able to bring myself to do it.


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Despite how awesome some of the seasons are (3rd and 4th are AMAZING) and despite how great some of the individual episodes are (1st ep of season 2 and The Constant, amongst a few others, are some of the best tv ever produced)... knowing that there's no payoff and knowing that it ends so abysmally, I just can't bring myself to ever watch it again.  Knowing that I'd spend all that time just to remind myself that I'm going to get disappointed all over again is not worth it.

The only Lost episode I ever watched after the series finale was The Constant, I watched that a few years ago.  That'll probably be it as far as rewatching is concerned, aside from a couple of the cool Desmond-centric episodes I may rewatch in the future.

/It's clear Damon and Carlton had absolute no idea what they were doing and just winging it the whole time.
 
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