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2020-05-21 9:42:18 AM  
That's a lot lighter than I thought she'd get even with a plea deal.
 
2020-05-21 9:44:18 AM  
None of the copious amounts of fecal matter they threw at the wall stuck, huh?  I bet their attorneys made a killing before finally giving in to the inevitable.
 
2020-05-21 9:46:26 AM  

pueblonative: That's a lot lighter than I thought she'd get even with a plea deal.


That's the recommended sentencing. Judge still has final say. Hope he decides to make an example.
 
2020-05-21 9:47:01 AM  

pueblonative: That's a lot lighter than I thought she'd get even with a plea deal.


Seems about right... The real damage is the PR damage done by being a pack of assholes.

People have either forgotten about Felicity or sympathize with her for handling it like she did.
 
2020-05-21 9:55:50 AM  
It cost them the initial $500,000 bribe, $400,000 in fines, and lawyer fees.  So, a couple million+.  And they get to sit in jail for a couple months.  Lulz.
 
2020-05-21 10:27:00 AM  
Covid=ankle braclets.
 
2020-05-21 10:28:02 AM  
With the COVID , they will probably get house arrest. They timed ti well
 
2020-05-21 10:31:44 AM  
Awww. I wanted this to go to trial just to see the look on her face.
 
2020-05-21 10:35:26 AM  
The real crime is how those Mossimo shirts are too tight on the shoulders.
 
2020-05-21 10:35:35 AM  

softshoes: Covid=ankle braclets.


Yep, I've been saying that. It's not fair to Felicity and others, but it can't be helped.
 
2020-05-21 10:36:35 AM  
To be fair, something like 98% of criminal charges end in a plea deal in the US.
 
2020-05-21 10:38:10 AM  
fark that, make an example out of these clowns.

Actually, it wouldn't even be an example.  Treat them exactly like a poor person would be treated.
 
2020-05-21 10:39:17 AM  

Nabb1: None of the copious amounts of fecal matter they threw at the wall stuck, huh?  I bet their attorneys made a killing before finally giving in to the inevitable.


The fact that their attorneys took 'em to the cleaners AND they have to pay the fine AND that they have to do time AND they have to make an allocution statement before the court admitting to being a couple of shiatheads who raised two morons, all of that made my day.
 
2020-05-21 10:40:39 AM  
Eh, seems fair. Cost them a big wad of cash, that's probably more of a punishment than country club jail to these people.
 
2020-05-21 10:47:14 AM  

IgG4: To be fair, something like 98% of criminal charges end in a plea deal in the US.


It wouldn't surprise me.  Especially in federal court.  When the feds come for you, they've usually got their cases wrapped up so tightly that they aren't likely coming away empty-handed.  But, hey, this rich lady got busted spending $500k trying to hoodwink a rich private school into taking her rich kids and she got hit with a fine and attorney's fees and throw in some minimal jail time and some community service, not to mention the fact she'll still be wealthy after this is all over, and I guess the world is a safer place.
 
2020-05-21 10:55:42 AM  
How does this deal compare to what they were offered initially? Because they've been wasting a lot of the court's time and money, which is what prosecutors wanted to avoid when they offered it. Is it the same farking deal or did they at least bothered to make it a bit less appealing as a fark you for wasting all our time?
 
2020-05-21 10:56:12 AM  
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I got this alert and immediately pictured Uncle Jesse as her husband.
 
2020-05-21 11:02:15 AM  

kbronsito: How does this deal compare to what they were offered initially? Because they've been wasting a lot of the court's time and money, which is what prosecutors wanted to avoid when they offered it. Is it the same farking deal or did they at least bothered to make it a bit less appealing as a fark you for wasting all our time?


The justice system shouldn't work that way.  The fact that people are punished for exercising their right to defend themselves is a failing in the way it is set up.  People get punished for making the government do their job.  You see it as wasting their time.  I see it as doing the job they are paid to do.
 
2020-05-21 11:04:42 AM  

kbronsito: How does this deal compare to what they were offered initially? Because they've been wasting a lot of the court's time and money, which is what prosecutors wanted to avoid when they offered it. Is it the same farking deal or did they at least bothered to make it a bit less appealing as a fark you for wasting all our time?


Can't remember to much, but i think they where offered like 2 weeks in jail or such, Plus fines.  The reason these 2 never toke the initial offer was the jail time.  she was firm on that.  She claimed what she did was so minor that it didn't need jail time.  she wanted a fine.
 
2020-05-21 11:11:42 AM  
Nabb1:

But, hey, this rich lady got busted spending $500k trying to hoodwink a rich private school into taking her rich kids and she got hit with a fine and attorney's fees and throw in some minimal jail time and some community service, not to mention the fact she'll still be wealthy after this is all over, and I guess the world is a safer place.


I'm right there with you not on that sentiment as long as it applies to every non-violent offense on the books. Not just those that inconvenience white people you like.
 
2020-05-21 11:12:20 AM  
not
 
2020-05-21 11:18:23 AM  

pueblonative: That's a lot lighter than I thought she'd get even with a plea deal.


Yeah, 2 months, so she'll be out in 4 days.

I take comfort in that they've probably spent millions on lawyers so far.
 
2020-05-21 11:20:31 AM  
She should put her cavity search on Pay Per View.
That would pay off their lawyers.
 
2020-05-21 11:27:33 AM  
Did she ask them to Have Mercy?
 
2020-05-21 11:27:37 AM  

Trik: pueblonative: That's a lot lighter than I thought she'd get even with a plea deal.

Yeah, 2 months, so she'll be out in 4 days.

I take comfort in that they've probably spent millions on lawyers so far.


Federal sentencing requires 85% of the sentence to be served IIRC.   That means she has to serve a little over 50 days at a minimum.  Covid might alter that.
 
2020-05-21 11:37:14 AM  

mjbok: kbronsito: How does this deal compare to what they were offered initially? Because they've been wasting a lot of the court's time and money, which is what prosecutors wanted to avoid when they offered it. Is it the same farking deal or did they at least bothered to make it a bit less appealing as a fark you for wasting all our time?

The justice system shouldn't work that way.  The fact that people are punished for exercising their right to defend themselves is a failing in the way it is set up.  People get punished for making the government do their job.  You see it as wasting their time.  I see it as doing the job they are paid to do.


If you know you're guilty, you're wasting the court's time.
 
2020-05-21 11:46:29 AM  

mjbok: kbronsito: How does this deal compare to what they were offered initially? Because they've been wasting a lot of the court's time and money, which is what prosecutors wanted to avoid when they offered it. Is it the same farking deal or did they at least bothered to make it a bit less appealing as a fark you for wasting all our time?

The justice system shouldn't work that way.  The fact that people are punished for exercising their right to defend themselves is a failing in the way it is set up.  People get punished for making the government do their job.  You see it as wasting their time.  I see it as doing the job they are paid to do.


You're not punished for exercising your rights.  You're rewarded for admitting your guilt.  Most defendants are in fact guilty, often painfully obviously so.  Criminal masterminds are few and far between.  Most are pretty damn stupid which is why they were caught in the first place.  If there was no incentive to plead guilty, everyone would demand a court trial and bog the system down needlessly.  Already overworked public defenders would be swamped.  Already full jails would be overflowing with people awaiting trial.  Thousands more regular citizens would have their lives disrupted for jury duty.  And without reduced sentencing from pleas, already overcrowded prisons would be bursting at the seems.
 
2020-05-21 11:49:10 AM  

scotchcrotch: mjbok: kbronsito: How does this deal compare to what they were offered initially? Because they've been wasting a lot of the court's time and money, which is what prosecutors wanted to avoid when they offered it. Is it the same farking deal or did they at least bothered to make it a bit less appealing as a fark you for wasting all our time?

The justice system shouldn't work that way.  The fact that people are punished for exercising their right to defend themselves is a failing in the way it is set up.  People get punished for making the government do their job.  You see it as wasting their time.  I see it as doing the job they are paid to do.

If you know you're guilty, you're wasting the court's time.


You're not guilty until the courts deem you as such. That's the beauty of the system.
 
2020-05-21 11:52:24 AM  

scotchcrotch: mjbok: kbronsito: How does this deal compare to what they were offered initially? Because they've been wasting a lot of the court's time and money, which is what prosecutors wanted to avoid when they offered it. Is it the same farking deal or did they at least bothered to make it a bit less appealing as a fark you for wasting all our time?

The justice system shouldn't work that way.  The fact that people are punished for exercising their right to defend themselves is a failing in the way it is set up.  People get punished for making the government do their job.  You see it as wasting their time.  I see it as doing the job they are paid to do.

If you know you're guilty, you're wasting the court's time.


A defendant is not required to conserve the Court's time.  It's in amendment #34 of the US Constitution of made up shiate that we all say.
 
2020-05-21 11:55:40 AM  

scotchcrotch: mjbok: kbronsito: How does this deal compare to what they were offered initially? Because they've been wasting a lot of the court's time and money, which is what prosecutors wanted to avoid when they offered it. Is it the same farking deal or did they at least bothered to make it a bit less appealing as a fark you for wasting all our time?

The justice system shouldn't work that way.  The fact that people are punished for exercising their right to defend themselves is a failing in the way it is set up.  People get punished for making the government do their job.  You see it as wasting their time.  I see it as doing the job they are paid to do.

If you know you're guilty, you're wasting the court's time.


Well... if you know you are guilty but the prosecution's case is weak, you are just acting out of self interest. No one can blame you for that.
These aholes know they're guilty, they know they left a huge paper trail, they know they're on tape talking to their co conspirator... that's wasting the court's time. Their defense was the farking Uncle Leo defense... they're old and confused and didn't know what they were doing was wrong but they're like 20 years too young to pull of that shiat.
 
2020-05-21 11:57:43 AM  

scottydoesntknow: pueblonative: That's a lot lighter than I thought she'd get even with a plea deal.

That's the recommended sentencing. Judge still has final say. Hope he decides to make an example.


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She's a non-violent offender in state where they regularly already don't put non-violent offenders behind bars at a time when a pandemic is causing most non-violent offenders to be released if they ended up having to actually go to prison

She will not see a single day behind bars and she knows it.  This is why she jumped at the chance to finally plead guilty.

/Or perhaps after all the very obvious hail mary's, she FINALLY realized she's screwed if she takes it to trial so may as well take the slap on the wrist and move on.
 
2020-05-21 12:10:23 PM  

NewportBarGuy: People have either forgotten about Felicity or sympathize with her for handling it like she did.


She said 'yeah you got me', admitted she f*cked up, and willingly served her time. As far as guilty people go, she did it right.
 
2020-05-21 12:12:52 PM  

scotchcrotch: mjbok: kbronsito: How does this deal compare to what they were offered initially? Because they've been wasting a lot of the court's time and money, which is what prosecutors wanted to avoid when they offered it. Is it the same farking deal or did they at least bothered to make it a bit less appealing as a fark you for wasting all our time?

The justice system shouldn't work that way.  The fact that people are punished for exercising their right to defend themselves is a failing in the way it is set up.  People get punished for making the government do their job.  You see it as wasting their time.  I see it as doing the job they are paid to do.

If you know you're guilty, you're wasting the court's time.


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2020-05-21 12:23:03 PM  

chevydeuce: scotchcrotch: mjbok: kbronsito: How does this deal compare to what they were offered initially? Because they've been wasting a lot of the court's time and money, which is what prosecutors wanted to avoid when they offered it. Is it the same farking deal or did they at least bothered to make it a bit less appealing as a fark you for wasting all our time?

The justice system shouldn't work that way.  The fact that people are punished for exercising their right to defend themselves is a failing in the way it is set up.  People get punished for making the government do their job.  You see it as wasting their time.  I see it as doing the job they are paid to do.

If you know you're guilty, you're wasting the court's time.

You're not guilty until the courts deem you as such. That's the beauty of the system.


I am being a pedant here.
You are guilty if you did it.
You are convicted if the judge/jury deems you to be guilty as charged.
Under your reasoning, John Gotti was only guilty once.
DNA evidence has been overturning the convictions of many "guilty" people.
 
2020-05-21 12:25:37 PM  

Bslim: Nabb1:

But, hey, this rich lady got busted spending $500k trying to hoodwink a rich private school into taking her rich kids and she got hit with a fine and attorney's fees and throw in some minimal jail time and some community service, not to mention the fact she'll still be wealthy after this is all over, and I guess the world is a safer place.


I'm right there with you not on that sentiment as long as it applies to every non-violent offense on the books. Not just those that inconvenience white people you like.


One count of wire fraud and one count of mail fraud is pretty small potatoes, especially when you consider the "victim" of the fraudulent activity is a private university with a multi-billion dollar endowment and the purpose was not to get money or anything from them, but to enroll their kids, I mean, no one was "harmed," here.  I have no pity for her and I hope she enjoys being a convicted felon.  It seems like a phenomenal amount of money thrown around on privileged people problems.  If she had, say, committed wire fraud and mail fraud to swindle some little old lady out of her meager life savings, then I'd probably say she got off too light.
 
2020-05-21 12:35:30 PM  

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I got this alert and immediately pictured Uncle Jesse as her husband.


He's a famous doctor now, they can afford it.
 
2020-05-21 12:36:05 PM  
And the adult children that willingly participated in the fraud get.....nothing, because.....
 
2020-05-21 12:44:35 PM  

WillofJ2: And the adult children that willingly participated in the fraud get.....nothing, because.....


Because they were minors when the acts occurred and their mother was the principal actor of the scheme.  Feds don't really prosecute minors, certainly not for being basically accessories to white collar crime
 
2020-05-21 12:47:24 PM  

Trik: She should put her cavity search on Pay Per View.
That would pay off their lawyers.


Prisons don't have that good of dentists
 
2020-05-21 12:51:15 PM  

WillofJ2: And the adult children that willingly participated in the fraud get.....nothing, because.....



I think that was a harder case to make. The money trail leads to the parents. The conversations they taped with the guy running the scam involved the parents. I doubt the kids ever attended a meeting with the fake non profit running the racket or called them directly. The parents are not gonna testify about how much their kids knew. At best, I'd wager you could make a case against the kids that got someone else to take their SATs. But most of the other ones could play dumb. Even if we know that they participated, it may be impossible to prove.
 
2020-05-21 2:05:48 PM  

Persnickety: You're not punished for exercising your rights.  You're rewarded for admitting your guilt.  Most defendants are in fact guilty, often painfully obviously so.


I don't know about most, but there is a non-insignificant number of people that are charged that are not guilty that plead out because it is better to serve 6 months for something you didn't do than 5 years for something you didn't do.  You are punished if you don't plead out to something you didn't do.  This is absolutely the case in a large number of situations, especially with lower income people.
 
2020-05-21 2:41:12 PM  

Persnickety: If there was no incentive to plead guilty, everyone would demand a court trial and bog the system down needlessly. Already overworked public defenders would be swamped. Already full jails would be overflowing with people awaiting trial. Thousands more regular citizens would have their lives disrupted for jury duty. And without reduced sentencing from pleas, already overcrowded prisons would be bursting at the seems.


And yet the number of people who plead guilty because they are too poor to fight the charge is absurdly high. Pleading guilty to something you didn't do and serving a short sentence of a few days or weeks and some community service is the only feasible solution.

Fighting the charge without bail money can keep you behind bars for months, you can't afford a lawyer, and the one appointed to you will literally have less than 10 minutes of time to talk to you and prepare your defense before going into the courtroom after you've sat in jail for three months waiting for your trial date.

Creating a system where literally tens of thousands of people every month plead guilty for monetary necessity instead of legal reasons is absurd.  Most cases like this are not armed robbery or sexual assault.  They're minor drug charges.  Fist fights at bars.  Unpaid fines.  Disorderly conduct.
 
2020-05-21 4:03:41 PM  

mjbok: Persnickety: You're not punished for exercising your rights.  You're rewarded for admitting your guilt.  Most defendants are in fact guilty, often painfully obviously so.

I don't know about most, but there is a non-insignificant number of people that are charged that are not guilty that plead out because it is better to serve 6 months for something you didn't do than 5 years for something you didn't do.  You are punished if you don't plead out to something you didn't do.  This is absolutely the case in a large number of situations, especially with lower income people.


I used to think that as well until I served a six month term on grand jury.  I heard dozens and dozens of cases and sure enough, most criminals are both stupid and guilty, like "Hey, let's sneak this big screen TV out through the garden center at Walmart.  There's usually no one at the register.  It's a brilliant plan!"  Fully one third of the cases were sexual assaults, almost always on children, where the accused leaves behind DNA evidence because they don't understand what modern crime labs can do these days.  Now a grand jury doesn't give verdicts but in almost every case it was pretty clear that the accused was guilty as hell.  Real criminal justice is rarely the drama portrayed on TV.  Most cases are clear cut with solid, damning evidence.  Pleading down to a lesser crime not only is less of a burden on the system, it's a bargain for the accused, and in many cases prevents a victim from having to relive the horror of something they are trying to put behind them.

Do innocent people sometimes get charged with something they didn't do?  Sure.  But it's a small percentage, No system of justice is going to be perfect, TFA is a good example of this.  Lori Loughlin is surely guilty of what she's been accused of.  She's getting a deal that keeps her out of prison.  She'll probably serve her two months in the county jail, or because of Covid, at home.  The system almost always errs on the side of leniency.
 
2020-05-21 4:26:52 PM  
Considering this whole corona lockdown has lowered the value of influencers faster than when beanie babies fell, their vapid spawn better be looking for some reality show producer willing to exploit them for a half-season.
 
2020-05-21 5:35:17 PM  

jake3988: scottydoesntknow: pueblonative: That's a lot lighter than I thought she'd get even with a plea deal.

That's the recommended sentencing. Judge still has final say. Hope he decides to make an example.

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She's a non-violent offender in state where they regularly already don't put non-violent offenders behind bars at a time when a pandemic is causing most non-violent offenders to be released if they ended up having to actually go to prison

She will not see a single day behind bars and she knows it.  This is why she jumped at the chance to finally plead guilty.

/Or perhaps after all the very obvious hail mary's, she FINALLY realized she's screwed if she takes it to trial so may as well take the slap on the wrist and move on.


This is a federal crime, not a state crime.  Bureau of Prisons has released relatively few people from prison early.
 
2020-05-21 5:38:26 PM  

Persnickety: mjbok: Persnickety: You're not punished for exercising your rights.  You're rewarded for admitting your guilt.  Most defendants are in fact guilty, often painfully obviously so.

I don't know about most, but there is a non-insignificant number of people that are charged that are not guilty that plead out because it is better to serve 6 months for something you didn't do than 5 years for something you didn't do.  You are punished if you don't plead out to something you didn't do.  This is absolutely the case in a large number of situations, especially with lower income people.

I used to think that as well until I served a six month term on grand jury.  I heard dozens and dozens of cases and sure enough, most criminals are both stupid and guilty, like "Hey, let's sneak this big screen TV out through the garden center at Walmart.  There's usually no one at the register.  It's a brilliant plan!"  Fully one third of the cases were sexual assaults, almost always on children, where the accused leaves behind DNA evidence because they don't understand what modern crime labs can do these days.  Now a grand jury doesn't give verdicts but in almost every case it was pretty clear that the accused was guilty as hell.  Real criminal justice is rarely the drama portrayed on TV.  Most cases are clear cut with solid, damning evidence.  Pleading down to a lesser crime not only is less of a burden on the system, it's a bargain for the accused, and in many cases prevents a victim from having to relive the horror of something they are trying to put behind them.

Do innocent people sometimes get charged with something they didn't do?  Sure.  But it's a small percentage, No system of justice is going to be perfect, TFA is a good example of this.  Lori Loughlin is surely guilty of what she's been accused of.  She's getting a deal that keeps her out of prison.  She'll probably serve her two months in the county jail, or because of Covid, at home.  The system almost always errs on the side of leniency.


Another thing Dick Wolf's lawyering fantasies won't tell you is that NOT strongly directing your client charged with repeat offenses to seriously consider a good plea is basically  malpractice.
 
2020-05-21 6:00:26 PM  

Nabb1: Bslim: Nabb1:

But, hey, this rich lady got busted spending $500k trying to hoodwink a rich private school into taking her rich kids and she got hit with a fine and attorney's fees and throw in some minimal jail time and some community service, not to mention the fact she'll still be wealthy after this is all over, and I guess the world is a safer place.


I'm right there with you not on that sentiment as long as it applies to every non-violent offense on the books. Not just those that inconvenience white people you like.

One count of wire fraud and one count of mail fraud is pretty small potatoes, especially when you consider the "victim" of the fraudulent activity is a private university with a multi-billion dollar endowment and the purpose was not to get money or anything from them, but to enroll their kids, I mean, no one was "harmed," here.  I have no pity for her and I hope she enjoys being a convicted felon.  It seems like a phenomenal amount of money thrown around on privileged people problems.  If she had, say, committed wire fraud and mail fraud to swindle some little old lady out of her meager life savings, then I'd probably say she got off too light.


Except the kids that didn't get the scholarships
 
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