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2020-05-21 5:50:14 AM  
Well, yeah. Did anyone think otherwise?
 
2020-05-21 6:04:28 AM  
Hahahhaha... they'll flood the airwaves and Internet with the same 'rule of law' and 'dictator' bullshiat they always do.
 
2020-05-21 6:43:06 AM  
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2020-05-21 8:36:33 AM  
Yes, because if there's one thing Republicans fear above all else, it's stern words from Democrats.
 
2020-05-21 8:38:36 AM  
They were warned about this kind of thing when they went after Clinton and they didn't learn then, either.  Republicans are not forward thinking individuals.
 
2020-05-21 8:47:32 AM  
With a year, if not months of a Democrat Presidency, they are going to open up some bullshiat investigation.  At that time, no matter what it is (assuming it is typical bullshiat), the Democrat administration should give them the finger if they are summoned, subpoenaed, ordered to turn over records, whatever.  Then, when the right-wing machine is biatching non-stop about it, put forward legislation to make sure no one can ever defy oversight measures again.
 
2020-05-21 8:52:06 AM  
Ain't nothing gonna happen.
 
2020-05-21 8:52:11 AM  
Rue the day?  Who talks like that?
 
2020-05-21 8:52:30 AM  

Jake Havechek: Republicans are not forward thinking individuals.


FTFY
 
2020-05-21 8:52:54 AM  
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2020-05-21 8:54:22 AM  
Except not really, because Democrats still actually care about things like the rule of law.  That's what differentiates them from Republicans, and the day that changes is the day I'm getting the fark out.
 
2020-05-21 8:54:33 AM  

UberDave: With a year, if not months of a Democrat Presidency, they are going to open up some bullshiat investigation.  At that time, no matter what it is (assuming it is typical bullshiat), the Democrat administration should give them the finger if they are summoned, subpoenaed, ordered to turn over records, whatever.  Then, when the right-wing machine is biatching non-stop about it, put forward legislation to make sure no one can ever defy oversight measures again.


Sounds like a great reason to not elect Republican congressional majorities
 
2020-05-21 8:54:55 AM  
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2020-05-21 8:55:49 AM  

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Love that movie. : )

Seeing Val Kilmer that young hurts my brain, though.
 
2020-05-21 8:56:18 AM  
"Now here's all that taxpayer money for the military and your corporate donors just as you requested. Our strongly worded letter is in the mail."
 
2020-05-21 8:56:40 AM  
Right. And just when will all this ruing begin? When Joe I-Love-To-Work-With-Republicans Biden is sworn in?
 
2020-05-21 8:56:47 AM  

UberDave: With a year, if not months of a Democrat Presidency, they are going to open up some bullshiat investigation.  At that time, no matter what it is (assuming it is typical bullshiat), the Democrat administration should give them the finger if they are summoned, subpoenaed, ordered to turn over records, whatever.  Then, when the right-wing machine is biatching non-stop about it, put forward legislation to make sure no one can ever defy oversight measures again.


This only happens if the Fat Twit party gets control of the House:  they are going to lose the Senate and things are going to get interesting.
 
2020-05-21 8:57:53 AM  

i ignore u: Except not really, because Democrats still actually care about things like the rule of law.  That's what differentiates them from Republicans, and the day that changes is the day I'm getting the fark out.


when the law says POTUS is king they will still be following the rule of law. And it will have been the GOP who handed them that power

When a Dem POTUS dips in to the pentagon budget for pet projects, when they tell GOP oversight NO see you in court or SCOTUS says you have no authority. All will be perfectly legal and following the law.
 
2020-05-21 8:58:51 AM  
Here's the thing: as a Democrat I don't want a Democratic president to ignore even spurious congressional oversight because that's not how I believe our government should work.

Revise the system so that Republican AND Democratic presidents have to acknowledge the oversight role of congress.
 
2020-05-21 9:00:49 AM  
I once planted rue ..then dug it up without gloves. Don't do this.
 
2020-05-21 9:01:18 AM  
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2020-05-21 9:01:32 AM  

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1/21/2021
 
2020-05-21 9:02:03 AM  

EyeballKid: "Now here's all that taxpayer money for the military and your corporate donors just as you requested. Our strongly worded letter is in the mail."


You never miss a chance to shiat on Democrats, do you?
 
2020-05-21 9:02:41 AM  
I want to believe
 
2020-05-21 9:03:11 AM  

NuclearPenguins: EyeballKid: "Now here's all that taxpayer money for the military and your corporate donors just as you requested. Our strongly worded letter is in the mail."

You never miss a chance to shiat on Democrats, do you?


They never miss a chance to shiat on their constituents, so...
 
2020-05-21 9:03:49 AM  

Blathering Idjut: Here's the thing: as a Democrat I don't want a Democratic president to ignore even spurious congressional oversight because that's not how I believe our government should work.

Revise the system so that Republican AND Democratic presidents have to acknowledge the oversight role of congress.


I think saying "no, but, we should pass a law forcing it" would be a good idea. Get measures in place to make sure this can't happen again. Not let Presidents fire IGs. Etc etc
 
2020-05-21 9:04:06 AM  
Republicans in 2021: it is time to put aside our petty squabbles and expensive investigations in to the trump regime and get to healing our great nation.  Also, the deficit is too damn high!  Lol iberrals want to tax your guns n bullets. Babies dying!
 
2020-05-21 9:06:01 AM  
This is all assuming the Democrats ever get back into power. With the courts being packed.. there may be a civil war.
 
2020-05-21 9:07:59 AM  

Defenestrater: Rue the day?  Who talks like that?


People wot have been brung up speaking English proper, like.
 
2020-05-21 9:08:18 AM  

Beginning of the end: there may be a civil war.


Well, at least it will be Civil...

Can you please pass the Grey Poupon?
 
2020-05-21 9:08:40 AM  

Beginning of the end: This is all assuming the Democrats ever get back into power. With the courts being packed.. there may be a civil war.


As if. Most of them are happy to kiss a fascist's feet and call him "Fuhrer" before using tax money to benefit the filthy underclass.
 
2020-05-21 9:09:39 AM  

UberDave: With a year, if not months of a Democrat Presidency, they are going to open up some bullshiat investigation.  At that time, no matter what it is (assuming it is typical bullshiat), the Democrat administration should give them the finger if they are summoned, subpoenaed, ordered to turn over records, whatever.  Then, when the right-wing machine is biatching non-stop about it, put forward legislation to make sure no one can ever defy oversight measures again.



I want a good camera angle when the GOP climb into that vat of acid so I can see their facial expressions.
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2020-05-21 9:10:14 AM  
whats more than likely going to happen is this. Trump loses. And from Nov - Jan the GOP is going to push for all sorts of limits on the executive just like they have in states when they lose.

With 53 senators and Trump to sign off they will get it done. Because they are always able to find enough democrats to help them do it.

So Biden will be back to answering all inquiries and it will all be law but Trump will never have to face accountability
 
2020-05-21 9:15:59 AM  
The Biden admin should claim executive privilege on every detail, shun right wing news outlets, and remove every trump appointee and order with prejudice.  I remember hearing Sean Mantiddy whine on AM radio (I know, self torture) about how Obama was ruling by executive order, by fiat and acting like a king...forgetting that Dubya issued many more and DT Barnum is issuing them at a rate higher than Obama.

Sorry GOP, you had a chance to sit at the adult table and blew it.  BMI 45 and Moscow Mitch let us know that all these options are in play.  I'd stack the Supreme Court, get legislation in place that would prevent our next Trump, and to quote Lindsey Graham, remind them that "Elections have consequences."
 
2020-05-21 9:16:12 AM  

MindStalker: Blathering Idjut: Here's the thing: as a Democrat I don't want a Democratic president to ignore even spurious congressional oversight because that's not how I believe our government should work.

Revise the system so that Republican AND Democratic presidents have to acknowledge the oversight role of congress.

I think saying "no, but, we should pass a law forcing it" would be a good idea. Get measures in place to make sure this can't happen again. Not let Presidents fire IGs. Etc etc


The problems of the country are fundamental ones that can't be changed with laws, they require changing the Constitution. And that's not going to happen.
 
2020-05-21 9:17:31 AM  

kindms: whats more than likely going to happen is this. Trump loses. And from Nov - Jan the GOP is going to push for all sorts of limits on the executive just like they have in states when they lose.

With 53 senators and Trump to sign off they will get it done. Because they are always able to find enough democrats to help them do it.

So Biden will be back to answering all inquiries and it will all be law but Trump will never have to face accountability


They will indeed try to sandbag the incoming administration.
 
2020-05-21 9:18:02 AM  

OmnomnomCookies: The Biden admin should claim executive privilege on every detail, shun right wing news outlets, and remove every trump appointee and order with prejudice.  I remember hearing Sean Mantiddy whine on AM radio (I know, self torture) about how Obama was ruling by executive order, by fiat and acting like a king...forgetting that Dubya issued many more and DT Barnum is issuing them at a rate higher than Obama.

Sorry GOP, you had a chance to sit at the adult table and blew it.  BMI 45 and Moscow Mitch let us know that all these options are in play.  I'd stack the Supreme Court, get legislation in place that would prevent our next Trump, and to quote Lindsey Graham, remind them that "Elections have consequences."


You know none of that will happen, though, right? It'll be a lot of kumbaya bullshiat before Biden says, "Yes, sir" to whichever Republican has the most power, just like his old boss did for eight years.

You might as well think the Onion character Joe Biden is running.
 
2020-05-21 9:21:11 AM  

EyeballKid: OmnomnomCookies: The Biden admin should claim executive privilege on every detail, shun right wing news outlets, and remove every trump appointee and order with prejudice.  I remember hearing Sean Mantiddy whine on AM radio (I know, self torture) about how Obama was ruling by executive order, by fiat and acting like a king...forgetting that Dubya issued many more and DT Barnum is issuing them at a rate higher than Obama.

Sorry GOP, you had a chance to sit at the adult table and blew it.  BMI 45 and Moscow Mitch let us know that all these options are in play.  I'd stack the Supreme Court, get legislation in place that would prevent our next Trump, and to quote Lindsey Graham, remind them that "Elections have consequences."

You know none of that will happen, though, right? It'll be a lot of kumbaya bullshiat before Biden says, "Yes, sir" to whichever Republican has the most power, just like his old boss did for eight years.

You might as well think the Onion character Joe Biden is running.


You lead quite a sad existence.
 
2020-05-21 9:23:55 AM  

EyeballKid: OmnomnomCookies: The Biden admin should claim executive privilege on every detail, shun right wing news outlets, and remove every trump appointee and order with prejudice.  I remember hearing Sean Mantiddy whine on AM radio (I know, self torture) about how Obama was ruling by executive order, by fiat and acting like a king...forgetting that Dubya issued many more and DT Barnum is issuing them at a rate higher than Obama.

Sorry GOP, you had a chance to sit at the adult table and blew it.  BMI 45 and Moscow Mitch let us know that all these options are in play.  I'd stack the Supreme Court, get legislation in place that would prevent our next Trump, and to quote Lindsey Graham, remind them that "Elections have consequences."

You know none of that will happen, though, right? It'll be a lot of kumbaya bullshiat before Biden says, "Yes, sir" to whichever Republican has the most power, just like his old boss did for eight years.

You might as well think the Onion character Joe Biden is running.


Just stop. You may think you're helping, but you're not. Keep these stupid thoughts to yourself, lest you continue to embarrass yourself.
 
2020-05-21 9:24:45 AM  

NuclearPenguins: EyeballKid: "Now here's all that taxpayer money for the military and your corporate donors just as you requested. Our strongly worded letter is in the mail."

You never miss a chance to shiat on Democrats, do you?


He's not really wrong on this point, but you'd think the next step would be making Democrats better rather than indulging in nonstop "they're just as bad therefore they're the real villains" carping, and I don't think his imagination's up to the task
 
2020-05-21 9:26:17 AM  

enry: Hahahhaha... they'll flood the airwaves and Internet with the same 'rule of law' and 'dictator' bullshiat they always do.


The problem being that Trump really did change everything, and definitely not for the better. Think of the next Republican Ken Starr investigating something random similar to Whitewater. That shiat will now go nowhere. I may have thought Starr's investigation was mostly hypocritical bullshiat posturing, especially when he took the consolation prize of perjury from a guy who didn't want to admit he got a beej from someone other than his wife.

That's before any congressional investigations, where Hillary wouldn't even bother to show up for a future Trey Gowdy's circus. She'd direct other State Department employees to ignore subpoenas for documents and tell them not to show up. When the Rethuglicans scream and holler, it will be ignored because they normalized this behavior with Trump.

That's not a good thing, but it is what we have now. Thanks a lot you farking arsehole Rethuglicans. May you burn in the pits of Hades for all eternity to pay for what you've done to America by normalizing that a$$hat.
 
2020-05-21 9:27:09 AM  

phaseolus: NuclearPenguins: EyeballKid: "Now here's all that taxpayer money for the military and your corporate donors just as you requested. Our strongly worded letter is in the mail."

You never miss a chance to shiat on Democrats, do you?

He's not really wrong on this point, but you'd think the next step would be making Democrats better rather than indulging in nonstop "they're just as bad therefore they're the real villains" carping, and I don't think his imagination's up to the task


See, it's toxic behavior from supporters like this that makes me reluctant to vote for establishment Democrats.
 
2020-05-21 9:27:50 AM  
Since Trump was elected as a sexual harassing monster we will show you by electing a rapist. That'll teach ya.
 
2020-05-21 9:28:32 AM  

EyeballKid: phaseolus: NuclearPenguins: EyeballKid: "Now here's all that taxpayer money for the military and your corporate donors just as you requested. Our strongly worded letter is in the mail."

You never miss a chance to shiat on Democrats, do you?

He's not really wrong on this point, but you'd think the next step would be making Democrats better rather than indulging in nonstop "they're just as bad therefore they're the real villains" carping, and I don't think his imagination's up to the task

See, it's toxic behavior from supporters like this that makes me reluctant to vote for establishment Democrats.


No one cares.
 
2020-05-21 9:29:49 AM  

NPC_SLAYER: Since Trump was elected as a sexual harassing monster we will show you by electing a rapist. That'll teach ya.


ANOTHER NPC SLAYYYYYYYDDDDDDDDDD!!!
 
2020-05-21 9:31:00 AM  

EyeballKid: OmnomnomCookies: The Biden admin should claim executive privilege on every detail, shun right wing news outlets, and remove every trump appointee and order with prejudice.  I remember hearing Sean Mantiddy whine on AM radio (I know, self torture) about how Obama was ruling by executive order, by fiat and acting like a king...forgetting that Dubya issued many more and DT Barnum is issuing them at a rate higher than Obama.

Sorry GOP, you had a chance to sit at the adult table and blew it.  BMI 45 and Moscow Mitch let us know that all these options are in play.  I'd stack the Supreme Court, get legislation in place that would prevent our next Trump, and to quote Lindsey Graham, remind them that "Elections have consequences."

You know none of that will happen, though, right? It'll be a lot of kumbaya bullshiat before Biden says, "Yes, sir" to whichever Republican has the most power, just like his old boss did for eight years.

You might as well think the Onion character Joe Biden is running.


Giving Biden the benefit of the the doubt. On the surface or leading up, it won't be promises of peace and unity. You don't advertise when you're going punch the bully in nose or raid the drug house.

I think Biden is old school.  He knows that they are accusing him of being a pedo and sexual predator, accusing his son of being a crook, and accusing Obama of being corrupt-and that's only the beginning. Not to mention, the resentment for trump from the democrats and even old guard of the Republicans is ready to be unleashed. The Bush family I know hates Donald with a passion.

I may be optimistic, but I believe that's come January 2021 your email going to see roaches running for the shadows on an scale that hasn't been seen before.
 
2020-05-21 9:37:14 AM  

kindms: whats more than likely going to happen is this. Trump loses. And from Nov - Jan the GOP is going to push for all sorts of limits on the executive just like they have in states when they lose.

With 53 senators and Trump to sign off they will get it done. Because they are always able to find enough democrats to help them do it.

So Biden will be back to answering all inquiries and it will all be law but Trump will never have to face accountability


How do you figure this?  Without the House, the Senate can only change its own rules, and that can't happen before Jan.  All they can do is appoint Federal judges, which they already plan to do with an urgency that shows they expect to be out of power.
 
2020-05-21 9:38:01 AM  
January 21, 2021: Biden signs executive order creating healthcare for all Americans and disbands insurance companies. Republicans howl in protest and are ignored. As a result, sham investigations into Hunter Biden go into high gear, but nobody in the administration can be compelled to provide testimony or documentation. GOP manufactures a scandal, but witnesses cannot be found and paperwork is not available. GOP holds hearings where they pound the table and make all kinds noise, but like a tree falling in an empty forest, they are not heard.

Ignoring subpoenas and skipping testimony are their current favorite toys, but it will break all their other favorite toys under a (D) administration.

Good jorb, you farking GOP schmucks.
 
2020-05-21 9:39:30 AM  

olderthanwiser: kindms: whats more than likely going to happen is this. Trump loses. And from Nov - Jan the GOP is going to push for all sorts of limits on the executive just like they have in states when they lose.

With 53 senators and Trump to sign off they will get it done. Because they are always able to find enough democrats to help them do it.

So Biden will be back to answering all inquiries and it will all be law but Trump will never have to face accountability

How do you figure this?  Without the House, the Senate can only change its own rules, and that can't happen before Jan.  All they can do is appoint Federal judges, which they already plan to do with an urgency that shows they expect to be out of power.


Look at this thread

And I agree that's POTUS should never have this leeway and making it law is going to be popular

How many on the left will see this as a one shot at reigning in the executive branch regardless of the GOP motivations ?
 
2020-05-21 9:39:51 AM  

Tyrone Slothrop: MindStalker: Blathering Idjut: Here's the thing: as a Democrat I don't want a Democratic president to ignore even spurious congressional oversight because that's not how I believe our government should work.

Revise the system so that Republican AND Democratic presidents have to acknowledge the oversight role of congress.

I think saying "no, but, we should pass a law forcing it" would be a good idea. Get measures in place to make sure this can't happen again. Not let Presidents fire IGs. Etc etc

The problems of the country are fundamental ones that can't be changed with laws, they require changing the Constitution. And that's not going to happen.


I think we could amend the National Emergencies Act to not hand the President the power to un-write the law in an "emergency", for one.

We could probably stand to amend the IG statutes as well, and require the Senate be given an accounting of exactly what the IG did that warrants a firing. I'm not sure how we'd do it, but maybe give the Senate the ability to un-fire them, maybe automatically move any pending investigation(s) (and their materials) to the Senate's purview, with the presumption of guilt on the part of the President and/or Secretary who recommended the firing.

We could also - as I think we did after Nixon - alter the rules about Legislative oversight and subpoena, such that the rules are pretty clear (none of this "my chef's driver's caddy's roommate is OF COURSE covered by Executive Privilege" BS anymore).

Basically, start writing down a lot of these "unwritten" rules, and putting teeth in the consequences for breaking them. Pretend that Vladimir Putin himself was President of the US with the goal of destroying us without firing a shot, and you could only stop him by writing some laws.

// we'd need a Constitutional Amendment if we're constraining the President or VP specifically
// but Congress can do a whole bunch of other things, and constrain a whole bunch of other people
 
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