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(Washington Post)   The Immaculate Unmasking Of Michael Flynn: there is no record of who unmasked him in FBI documents because he was never masked   (washingtonpost.com) divider line
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2020-05-21 3:14:50 AM  
67 votes:
The man is a f*cking traitor to the oath of enlistment, his oath as an officer i the United States, to his job as National Security advisor... he betrayed every single thing that we're supposed to hold sacred. For money. Because he wanted a house on Indian Ave. he saw the rich folk in Newport and envied them, wanted what they had.

He's a sh*t human being and I hope some prosecutor is unleashed on him in the future. They danced around his "unmasking" by having Obama just tell Donnie "please don't hire him"

They let him off like the gentleman he was not and never will be. And they still flaunted that deal.

As you can tell, I have a special place in my heart for Mike. I hope all the bad things in life happen to him and only him.
 
2020-05-21 3:50:12 AM  
46 votes:
Flynn was masked in NSA reports but not FBI intel briefings. The unmasking requests were for the NSA intel. The news reports and subsequent shiatstorm around Flynn came by way of the FBI's spying on Kislyak while he was in the US. Flynn lied about the calls, and if he didn't then the transcripts would have already been released to embarrass the Obama administration. The transcripts will not be released because they will prove Flynn's guilt as well as they may implicate others in the Trump administration to include Trump himself.

I seriously doubt that Flynn's advice to not retaliate was him going rogue on his own. Remember that Trump was considering returning two seized Russian spy compounds right after he took office. Flynn was also doing dirt for Turkey as well.

I sincerely hope that all the dirt done by Flynn et. al. ends up with some serious criminal convictions. America needs justice to drop like lightning from the sky. None of that forgive and forget shiat either. There needs to be prison time or executions if warranted to keep this kind of stuff from happening again. Every single elected official that has tried to cover for Trump should be summarily punished as well. No mercy should be shown to anyone.
 
2020-05-21 6:55:22 AM  
8 votes:
I have faith that the FBI is waiting for the DOJ not to be in the pocket of a toadie (and ruin their leverage) to come down like the Hammer of an Angry God on the Russian mob.

When that happens, a lot of loose ends are going to get cinched fairly quick, and I don't think there's anything that keeps Michael Flynn out of another criminal conviction.
 
2020-05-21 8:56:10 AM  
7 votes:
I've spent a lot of time going through the weeds of this trying to figure out what OBAMAGATE(tm) really is.  That includes hacking through the swamps of RealClearPolitics and RedState.

Regardless of the fake, upside-down narrative that Trump/ Barr/ Nunes etc. have tried to create whole-cloth and force on our governmental institutions one thing is poignantly clear: just the simple, evil act of forcing our intelligence and law enforcement agencies to comport to their false narrative has meant burning human intelligence who was embedded pretty high up in the Russian government, unveiled to our enemies how U.S. intelligence flows as in who was informed of unmasking, made clear which foreign actors the United States spies on and pretty much how and pretty much exposed to the world how the intelligence machine runs and where it's weak points may be.

The original Russia investigation of Trump was predicated on the fact that the Russians were working to undermine the United States by attacking our election and elevating Trump to the White House.  The Trump/ Barr/ Nunes fake narrative is also hurting the United States in real time.  

When folks above dance around words like "treason" they shouldn't be mocked.  The OBAMAGATE(tm) investigation is damaging the United States, continuing to do so until we drag Trump's arse out of office and return to some level of normalcy.  Trump does not have the interest of the United States in mind and should not simply be treated as if he does in deference to the office he temporarily holds.
 
2020-05-21 7:00:57 AM  
7 votes:
Republicans, my ass. GOP, yeah right.. Call these dirty bastards what they are- Un American, Russian-owned shiatbags. Bad people. Scum of the farking earth deplorables. Hang them all. Be done with this disease.
 
2020-05-21 8:21:15 AM  
6 votes:
FTFA:""They were unmasking anyone and everyone so that they could leak information to a press that was willing to take that illegal information to build a fake, phony narrative, to set up numerous people on the Trump team, not just General Flynn," Rep. Devin Nunes (Calif.), the ranking Republican on the House Intelligence Committee, told Fox News last week."

JFC, in any sane world, Nunes would have been investigated about 40 times by now and thrown out of congress.

What happened to his trip on taxpayer money to Europe?

/moooooo biatch
 
2020-05-21 7:09:28 AM  
6 votes:
They don't call it Stupid Watergate for nothing.
 
2020-05-21 9:52:25 AM  
5 votes:
Flynn lied, admitted he lied, and admitted a few more times in writing and in court under oath, that yes, he really did lie on purpose, nobody tricked him, and he meant to plead guilty because he is guilty. And Trump also said he lied, that is why he was fired.

So here it is guys: this whole idea that Flynn was mis treated is just a lie, a total fabrication by Trump.  So you can safely ignore it.  Have a nice day.
 
2020-05-21 7:47:59 AM  
5 votes:
After all this time, I'm surprised nobody has said what was obvious to me from the start:

"Masking" is a term of art, like "screening" in law offices, and has nothing to do with "hiding" or "concealing" the identity of the individual; but only (I'm guessing, by comparison with the term screening) removing or redacting the name where it would conflict with other individuals in documents or meeting minutes.

"Unmasking" in this context would mean that his name was simply unredacted (not that his identity was unveiled like a Jason Bourne or James Bond villain) as the individual present at a meeting everyone was at; it was never a secret, just that his name had been blacked out for purposes of preventing conflicts of interest.

I could be wrong, of course; but it wouldn't be the first time in this administration that an arcane term of art was misconstrued to mean something more dramatic than it really is.
 
2020-05-21 6:57:17 AM  
5 votes:
So Republicans were lying.
This is my shocked face.
 
2020-05-21 12:02:09 PM  
3 votes:

Mrbogey: He also didn't lie to the FBI.


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2020-05-21 8:20:01 AM  
3 votes:
This sorta farks that conspiracy theory right up its ass sideways.

Better luck next time Republican stooges.
 
2020-05-21 7:31:20 AM  
3 votes:

SpectroBoy: So Republicans were lying.
This is my shocked face.


"The timing of this effort, over three years since the leak happened, also suggests law enforcement and intelligence agencies are being used for political purposes during the election season."
 
2020-05-21 7:15:33 AM  
3 votes:
Boo hoo sniffle Because of my illegal activity I was treated so unfairly.
 
2020-05-21 4:08:29 PM  
1 vote:

Mrbogey: Skleenar: Mrbogey: Where's the proof?

The F*cking document in the F*cking link.

Unless you've retreated so far from reality that someone saying to law enforcement "I totally did that thing" is no longer evidence that they did that thing.

I guess I understand where you are coming from:  You have based your political views on a foundation of lies.  You don't even understand what constitutes "evidence" or "proof" or "justice". Every "true fact" you stand behind has to be retconned with every new bit of evidence.  You're past the part where that bothers you anymore.  You just accept the new rationalization and move forward.  The fact what you ar saying is either patently ludicrous or contradictory to what you claimed before has no relevance to your worldview.  Your function is to spout the new "truth" as loudly and as repeatedly as necessary until a new "truth" comes along for you to champion.

You are not tethered to reality.  Please don't expect rational people to accept what you say as fact.

There's no evidence of a crime in that link. It's an FBI assertion. Flynn's confession was coerced.

The lynching of Michael Flynn failed due to lack of evidence.  Deal with it.

Now go back to being an unfunny word search parody account. Do what you're almost good at.


Did you ever think how curious a coincidence it is, that the intelligence and law enforcement agencies that were the scourge of organized crime and foreign intelligence suddenly flipped sides and became the bad guys when Trump took over?

I mean, because those of us in the real world perfectly understand why you think this.  And it isn't because they changed allegiances.
 
2020-05-21 3:11:48 PM  
1 vote:

Mrbogey: The lynching of Michael Flynn failed due to lack of evidence.


He would have to be the dumbest f$cker on earth to confess if there was no evidence.  Trump really needs to explain why he threw Flynn under the bus, fired him and did not stop his overzealous DoJ from prosecuting.  Plus to go after Flynn's son.  That's f$ck sick.  Trump is a sick f$cking asshole.

Really shows you how much that draft dodging coward hates veterans.  He should be ashamed of himself.  #flynngate #Trumphatesmilitary #Flynndidn'tmeantoconfessbecauseheisaf​$ckingidiot
 
2020-05-21 1:34:47 PM  
1 vote:

Mrbogey: Where's the proof?


The F*cking document in the F*cking link.

Unless you've retreated so far from reality that someone saying to law enforcement "I totally did that thing" is no longer evidence that they did that thing.

I guess I understand where you are coming from:  You have based your political views on a foundation of lies.  You don't even understand what constitutes "evidence" or "proof" or "justice". Every "true fact" you stand behind has to be retconned with every new bit of evidence.  You're past the part where that bothers you anymore.  You just accept the new rationalization and move forward.  The fact what you ar saying is either patently ludicrous or contradictory to what you claimed before has no relevance to your worldview.  Your function is to spout the new "truth" as loudly and as repeatedly as necessary until a new "truth" comes along for you to champion.

You are not tethered to reality.  Please don't expect rational people to accept what you say as fact.
 
2020-05-21 12:49:39 PM  
1 vote:

Skleenar: Mrbogey: Easy answer. He never lied.

Show me the evidence he lied. There is none.

Fark off


I mean, other then statement from Trump's prosecutors, supporting evidence, a signed confession and Trump's own statement, what proof is there really.
 
2020-05-21 12:02:41 PM  
1 vote:

Mrbogey: Easy answer. He never lied.

Show me the evidence he lied. There is none.


Fark off
 
2020-05-21 11:57:16 AM  
1 vote:

Mrbogey: He never promised the ambassador anything other than they'll discuss the sanctions later. He knew he didn't have the authority to promise an end to sanctions then.

He also didn't lie to the FBI. The FBI notes from the interview state "did not give any indication of deception". Despite text messages from the agents interviewing him stating they didn't have anything but maybe could trip him up into lying and getting him fired.


Well, he sure did lie to the FBI about the topics of discussion. It's in the statement of offense, on like page 2 (sections 3-4 detail a lot of his lies).

Their notes say he didn't "indicate deception"? Well, then I guess the fact that he stated things he knew to be contrary to the truth doesn't matter to the charge of lying, if he didn't also APPEAR to be lying.

The FBI caught wind of some troubling things said to the Russian Ambassador. The FBI, in seeking to find out who said those things and why, discovered that it was not a current member of the US government saying them, and went to ask that person (whom they now knew to be Flynn) for his side of the call.

Flynn lied about his side of that call. To the FBI.

That he now wants to say it wasn't REALLY a lie (even though what he lied about was not remembering talking about sanctions AT ALL, when it is very clear he did), that the FBI entrapped him to lie to them (because they didn't play back the audio of the call first? Help me out here - why would Flynn not give a truthful version of events to the FBI?), that his lawyers failed to understand that "knowingly failing to tell the truth" is not "lying" (apparently?), and that the Russia investigation was just a box hoax anyway (so the FBI wasn't REALLY doing FBI work, so it's cool to lie to them) is just a diversion from the very simple facts that the FBI asked him a question that he chose to give a false answer to.

He's a 4-star General (or was), who was trying to be the new NSA (remember, he wasn't yet so he had all the same right to conduct foreign policy as you and I do. Which is "none") - and he thought being cute with the FBI about conversations with the Russian Ambassador (recall that Trump wanted us to think he would be tougher on Russia than anyone in the history of the multiverse) was the right way to do that?

If nothing else, he should be jailed for being an absolute moron (or hypocrite, re: Hillar-e-mails), but Truman reminds us that that is not a crime.

// "I didn't fire him because he was a dumb son of a biatch, although he was, but that's not against the law for generals. If it was, half to three-quarters of them would be in jail."
 
2020-05-21 11:56:55 AM  
1 vote:

Mrbogey: Funny how the Democrat line went from "there was no monitoring"


Jeezus.  OBVIOUSLY there was monitoring.  Nobody denies that.

The only issue is the monitoring was of Russians, and all these Trump people kept getting recorded.

You guys don't even understand what it is you're trying to disprove.  You're really bad at this.
 
2020-05-21 11:24:06 AM  
1 vote:

Dr Dreidel: Mrbogey: This was all done to craft the Russian nonsense

SO WHY DID FLYNN LIE ABOUT HIS DISCUSSIONS WITH THE AMBASSADOR? Why did he lie to the FBI about his discussions? Why did he lie to the Vice President about them? Why did he lie to the President about them? Why did he plead guilty to lying about them?

And how does he have the gall to argue, after ALLLLLL those documented lies, that he was lying about his previous lying, and it's the people who exposed his various lies who are the REAL liars? (Also, lock her up for all her e-mail lies, and Andy McCabe showed a "lack of candor" and deserved to be fired.)

Hasn't he shown us this pattern of lying out of desperation enough that a new claim on the eve of his sentencing - that he's been lying to everyone about his previous lies - should be presumed to be a lie in the absence of any evidence?

Moreover, per the Hillary standard he's (and the rest of the conservatives have) been peddling for the last 5 years, doesn't he DESERVE a spot in jail?


Easy answer. He never lied.

Show me the evidence he lied. There is none.

That's what his current attorney realized and why he's changing his plea. His prior attorneys, Covington & Burling gave their client bad advice.
 
2020-05-21 11:20:21 AM  
1 vote:

Dr Dreidel: Mrbogey: NewportBarGuy: The man is a f*cking traitor to the oath of enlistment, his oath as an officer i the United States, to his job as National Security advisor... he betrayed every single thing that we're supposed to hold sacred. For money. Because he wanted a house on Indian Ave. he saw the rich folk in Newport and envied them, wanted what they had.

He's a sh*t human being and I hope some prosecutor is unleashed on him in the future. They danced around his "unmasking" by having Obama just tell Donnie "please don't hire him"

They let him off like the gentleman he was not and never will be. And they still flaunted that deal.

As you can tell, I have a special place in my heart for Mike. I hope all the bad things in life happen to him and only him.

He did nothing illegal or unethical in his discussions with the Russian Ambassador.

The FBI saying they'd interview him to get him fired or tripped up in a contradictory statement to get him prosecuted did act unethically.

His biggest crime is he insulted Obama and Obama couldn't let that stand.

Illegal? Only technically - we stopped caring about the Logan Act before the ink was dry on it.

Unethical? I mean, if you consider "working in an unofficial capacity against the stated aims of the United States as regard diplomatic-economic policy (to wit: sanctions)" unethical, then yes. He wasn't NSA yet, and had no legal authority to promise an ambassador a tissue, let alone the end of a sanctions regime that Flynn even as NSA couldn't have unilaterally ended.

And then he lied to the FBI about the contents of his discussion. Why? Could he not have just said "Yeah, I spoke to Ambassador Kislyak about ending sanctions"? Then, it wouldn't have been a lie, the FBI wouldn't have needed to "entrap" him in it, and he wouldn't have needed to twice affirm or swear to a judge that he had lied to the FBI about discussing sanctions with Ambassador Kislyak. (The fact that he subsequently also lied to the VP and the President about it - which is the reason they gave us when they they fired him 3 years ago - is apparently A-OK, as is the fact that Mike Pence lied about what Flynn told him and when.)

Flynn, I guess, would be a free man if only he hadn't done all that lying. What is America coming to, when a 4-star General picked to lead the NSA can't even lie to the President, Vice President, FBI and a Federal Judge or two without getting fired and prosecuted?


He never promised the ambassador anything other than they'll discuss the sanctions later. He knew he didn't have the authority to promise an end to sanctions then.

He also didn't lie to the FBI. The FBI notes from the interview state "did not give any indication of deception". Despite text messages from the agents interviewing him stating they didn't have anything but maybe could trip him up into lying and getting him fired.

The FBI had little to nothing and they bluffed him and Covington & Burling let it happen. He thought he could get three to six months and it would keep his son from getting jail time.

The complete injustice of it all is utterly unamerican. But as we've seen, there's a lot of Farkers who have no compunction about acting unamerican if it gets their political rivals.
 
2020-05-21 11:12:20 AM  
1 vote:

Mrbogey: This was all done to craft the Russian nonsense


SO WHY DID FLYNN LIE ABOUT HIS DISCUSSIONS WITH THE AMBASSADOR? Why did he lie to the FBI about his discussions? Why did he lie to the Vice President about them? Why did he lie to the President about them? Why did he plead guilty to lying about them?

And how does he have the gall to argue, after ALLLLLL those documented lies, that he was lying about his previous lying, and it's the people who exposed his various lies who are the REAL liars? (Also, lock her up for all her e-mail lies, and Andy McCabe showed a "lack of candor" and deserved to be fired.)

Hasn't he shown us this pattern of lying out of desperation enough that a new claim on the eve of his sentencing - that he's been lying to everyone about his previous lies - should be presumed to be a lie in the absence of any evidence?

Moreover, per the Hillary standard he's (and the rest of the conservatives have) been peddling for the last 5 years, doesn't he DESERVE a spot in jail?
 
2020-05-21 11:07:22 AM  
1 vote:

NewportBarGuy: The man is a f*cking traitor to the oath of enlistment, his oath as an officer i the United States, to his job as National Security advisor... he betrayed every single thing that we're supposed to hold sacred. For money. Because he wanted a house on Indian Ave. he saw the rich folk in Newport and envied them, wanted what they had.

He's a sh*t human being and I hope some prosecutor is unleashed on him in the future. They danced around his "unmasking" by having Obama just tell Donnie "please don't hire him"

They let him off like the gentleman he was not and never will be. And they still flaunted that deal.

As you can tell, I have a special place in my heart for Mike. I hope all the bad things in life happen to him and only him.


He brought his kid in on it.  He made it a family affair.
 
2020-05-21 11:01:11 AM  
1 vote:

synithium: This sorta farks that conspiracy theory right up its ass sideways.

Better luck next time Republican stooges.


No it doesn't. Quite the.opposite.

Funny how the Democrat line went from "there was no monitoring" to "we only monitored by accident and upper administration officials weren't involved" to "Obama personally was kept aware of it all once we accidentally uncovered it" and now it's "we were monitoring them all along".

As the incoming NSA there was never a Logan Act issue.

This was all done to craft the Russian nonsense and by evidence of how many doors completely bought in to it, it worked. Obama could come out now and state outright that his crew scammed these conspiracy theorist and they'd still say Trump is a Putin puppet.

The Russian conspiracy theorist, like the Truthers, will never change their mind because reason never formed it. It'll just be a gish gallop of meaningless details stripped of context. "But the lease! But the insurance! But jet fuel!!!"
 
2020-05-21 10:59:47 AM  
1 vote:

Mrbogey: NewportBarGuy: The man is a f*cking traitor to the oath of enlistment, his oath as an officer i the United States, to his job as National Security advisor... he betrayed every single thing that we're supposed to hold sacred. For money. Because he wanted a house on Indian Ave. he saw the rich folk in Newport and envied them, wanted what they had.

He's a sh*t human being and I hope some prosecutor is unleashed on him in the future. They danced around his "unmasking" by having Obama just tell Donnie "please don't hire him"

They let him off like the gentleman he was not and never will be. And they still flaunted that deal.

As you can tell, I have a special place in my heart for Mike. I hope all the bad things in life happen to him and only him.

He did nothing illegal or unethical in his discussions with the Russian Ambassador.

The FBI saying they'd interview him to get him fired or tripped up in a contradictory statement to get him prosecuted did act unethically.

His biggest crime is he insulted Obama and Obama couldn't let that stand.


Illegal? Only technically - we stopped caring about the Logan Act before the ink was dry on it.

Unethical? I mean, if you consider "working in an unofficial capacity against the stated aims of the United States as regard diplomatic-economic policy (to wit: sanctions)" unethical, then yes. He wasn't NSA yet, and had no legal authority to promise an ambassador a tissue, let alone the end of a sanctions regime that Flynn even as NSA couldn't have unilaterally ended.

And then he lied to the FBI about the contents of his discussion. Why? Could he not have just said "Yeah, I spoke to Ambassador Kislyak about ending sanctions"? Then, it wouldn't have been a lie, the FBI wouldn't have needed to "entrap" him in it, and he wouldn't have needed to twice affirm or swear to a judge that he had lied to the FBI about discussing sanctions with Ambassador Kislyak. (The fact that he subsequently also lied to the VP and the President about it - which is the reason they gave us when they they fired him 3 years ago - is apparently A-OK, as is the fact that Mike Pence lied about what Flynn told him and when.)

Flynn, I guess, would be a free man if only he hadn't done all that lying. What is America coming to, when a 4-star General picked to lead the NSA can't even lie to the President, Vice President, FBI and a Federal Judge or two without getting fired and prosecuted?
 
2020-05-21 10:49:46 AM  
1 vote:

NewportBarGuy: The man is a f*cking traitor to the oath of enlistment, his oath as an officer i the United States, to his job as National Security advisor... he betrayed every single thing that we're supposed to hold sacred. For money. Because he wanted a house on Indian Ave. he saw the rich folk in Newport and envied them, wanted what they had.

He's a sh*t human being and I hope some prosecutor is unleashed on him in the future. They danced around his "unmasking" by having Obama just tell Donnie "please don't hire him"

They let him off like the gentleman he was not and never will be. And they still flaunted that deal.

As you can tell, I have a special place in my heart for Mike. I hope all the bad things in life happen to him and only him.


He did nothing illegal or unethical in his discussions with the Russian Ambassador.

The FBI saying they'd interview him to get him fired or tripped up in a contradictory statement to get him prosecuted did act unethically.

His biggest crime is he insulted Obama and Obama couldn't let that stand.
 
2020-05-21 10:47:48 AM  
1 vote:

Officer Barrelroll: FTFA:""They were unmasking anyone and everyone so that they could leak information to a press that was willing to take that illegal information to build a fake, phony narrative, to set up numerous people on the Trump team, not just General Flynn," Rep. Devin Nunes (Calif.), the ranking Republican on the House Intelligence Committee, told Fox News last week."

JFC, in any sane world, Nunes would have been investigated about 40 times by now and thrown out of congress.

What happened to his trip on taxpayer money to Europe?

/moooooo biatch



Nunes Named to Trump Transition Team
Washington, November 11, 2016
"Today I was honored to have been named to the executive committee of President-elect Donald Trump's transition team. In this role, I will advise President-elect Trump on the appointments of his Cabinet members and on appointments to other top positions in the new administration. I look forward to helping to assemble an energetic and forward-looking team that will capably lead our country toward more economic growth, greater opportunity, and a safer homeland for all Americans."

This whole time he has been scared shiatless about what the NSA has on him.
 
2020-05-21 7:56:16 AM  
1 vote:

NewportBarGuy: The man is a f*cking traitor to the oath of enlistment, his oath as an officer i the United States, to his job as National Security advisor... he betrayed every single thing that we're supposed to hold sacred. For money. Because he wanted a house on Indian Ave. he saw the rich folk in Newport and envied them, wanted what they had.


*snip*

And all of these things are why Republicans love him.
 
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