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(South China Morning Post)   Amateur fighter knocks out tai chi "master" in under 30 seconds   (scmp.com) divider line
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2020-05-21 12:23:38 AM  
It's called "bullshido" - martial arts con artists are a dime a dozen because it's a relatively easy racket to pull off.
 
2020-05-21 12:56:21 AM  
Another shopping mall dojo has lost their master.
 
2020-05-21 6:59:00 AM  
It looked like was fighting an Andy Kaufman character.
 
2020-05-21 7:42:21 AM  
I know nothing about martial arts or MMA.  But I do know a good old fashioned cold-cocking when I see one.  That, that was a cold-cocking.
 
2020-05-21 8:09:51 AM  
FINISH HIM!!!
 
2020-05-21 8:37:40 AM  
Lost me at "tai chi". That's what the old folks do at the park to stay loose.

Very much like a banana: great for your health, unless you try to win a fight with it.
 
2020-05-21 8:46:16 AM  
I thought tai chi was just breathing and movement exercises, not an actual combat art.

So amateur fighter beats up yoga instructor?
 
2020-05-21 8:46:58 AM  

Warthog: I know nothing about martial arts or MMA.  But I do know a good old fashioned cold-cocking when I see one.  That, that was a cold-cocking.


That is a punch that you only throw when your opponent is either dead standing or you have no respect for their ability, because they have placed you in the "under thirteen" division and I know that they will never hit hard enough to actually hurt me.

Parents were so mad about that one, it was lit.
 
2020-05-21 8:57:24 AM  

H31N0US: Lost me at "tai chi". That's what the old folks do at the park to stay loose.

Very much like a banana: great for your health, unless you try to win a fight with it.


You should see it fast, or with weapons. It's a totally different thing. 

I was lucky enough to see a few competitions when I lived over in China, and was amazed.
 
2020-05-21 9:00:12 AM  
"Tai chi? The Dane Cook of martial arts?"

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2020-05-21 9:04:40 AM  

LordZorch: It's called "bullshido" - martial arts con artists are a dime a dozen because it's a relatively easy racket to pull off.


Take My Dough
 
2020-05-21 9:21:08 AM  
 
2020-05-21 9:49:34 AM  
So, for those of you who actually study this stuff -- are there any legit Asian marshal arts out there, where if mastered you could take on your typical MMA fighters?  Or has it all become ritualized, and divorced form actual hand to hand combat?
 
2020-05-21 10:01:09 AM  
It's been very interesting to see how the proliferation of MMA has demonstrated the separation between martial arts that are entirely fake, real but ineffective in combat, and effective.

It's blown a lot of martial arts cults out the water.  And while I'm disappointed that things like Kung Fu aren't terribly effective in combat (it's very pretty to watch), it's definitely brought lesser known styles to the forefront, like Sambo, BJJ, Muay Thai, etc.
 
2020-05-21 10:01:27 AM  

Warthog: So, for those of you who actually study this stuff -- are there any legit Asian marshal arts out there, where if mastered you could take on your typical MMA fighters?  Or has it all become ritualized, and divorced form actual hand to hand combat?


Taekwondo is actually a military art and useful to an extent.  The issue is that MMA is a mixed material art which means you are going to want to supplement with Judo.  Also, just good old Thai Kickboxing is farking brutal.
 
2020-05-21 10:05:20 AM  

Warthog: So, for those of you who actually study this stuff -- are there any legit Asian marshal arts out there, where if mastered you could take on your typical MMA fighters?  Or has it all become ritualized, and divorced form actual hand to hand combat?


You pretty much always need a mix to be effective.  But boxing/kickboxing, Muay Thai, Sambo, BJJ, and more traditional wrestling are highly effective.  Karate, Tae-Kwon Do, and Judo are useful to different degrees, but there are typically better alternatives.
 
2020-05-21 10:09:57 AM  

Khellendros: but there are


*but there are
 
2020-05-21 10:11:58 AM  

Warthog: So, for those of you who actually study this stuff -- are there any legit Asian marshal arts out there, where if mastered you could take on your typical MMA fighters?  Or has it all become ritualized, and divorced form actual hand to hand combat?


I provide the answer you seek.
 
2020-05-21 10:24:39 AM  

Khellendros: It's been very interesting to see how the proliferation of MMA has demonstrated the separation between martial arts that are entirely fake, real but ineffective in combat, and effective.

It's blown a lot of martial arts cults out the water.


Unfortunately some have been savvy enough to alter their sell.  Eastern Canada is still trying to purge the remaining Fang Shen Do schools but they've rebranded as MMA and "street self defense" to pull in people who don't know any better.  Thankfully smaller cities and towns are starting to get more legitimate schools as black belts and retired competitors start coming home or are looking to open their own dojos.
 
2020-05-21 10:40:26 AM  
That was all right I guess, but let's see how he does against a Feng Shui master.
 
2020-05-21 10:59:13 AM  

Warthog: So, for those of you who actually study this stuff -- are there any legit Asian marshal arts out there, where if mastered you could take on your typical MMA fighters?  Or has it all become ritualized, and divorced form actual hand to hand combat?


My friend, who is a pudgy, out of shape, sixty year old woman has been studying and participating in various martial arts all her life.  It's like a religion for her, and not in the good sense.  They pretty much give her belts and degrees, and get her to teach free classes and extract maximum dollars from her.

It gets her a bit of exercise, social interaction. and even confidence, but she wouldn't survive any kind of sudden violent attack from anyone out of her age/weight class, despite her black belts.  She's fully aware of this.  At best she could drop a slow moving drunk who might attempt to grope her and wasn't expecting retribution.
 
2020-05-21 11:05:02 AM  

Ker_Thwap: Warthog: So, for those of you who actually study this stuff -- are there any legit Asian marshal arts out there, where if mastered you could take on your typical MMA fighters?  Or has it all become ritualized, and divorced form actual hand to hand combat?

My friend, who is a pudgy, out of shape, sixty year old woman has been studying and participating in various martial arts all her life.  It's like a religion for her, and not in the good sense.  They pretty much give her belts and degrees, and get her to teach free classes and extract maximum dollars from her.

It gets her a bit of exercise, social interaction. and even confidence, but she wouldn't survive any kind of sudden violent attack from anyone out of her age/weight class, despite her black belts.  She's fully aware of this.  At best she could drop a slow moving drunk who might attempt to grope her and wasn't expecting retribution.


Glocks are a great equalizer.
 
2020-05-21 11:54:04 AM  
Fight Commentary Breakdown on YouTube carries this sort of video more quickly and with more informed analysis.
 
2020-05-21 11:57:16 AM  

Mentat: That was all right I guess, but let's see how he does against a Feng Shui master.


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You see this? How my body's glowing like that? Yeah a lot of people can't do that. Come get some of this glowing!
 
2020-05-21 12:23:36 PM  
Non-contact martial arts are great for fitness and a fun hobby, but the only arts that teach practical combat are ones where your opponent is trying to hit you or grapple for real.  Boxing, judo, jiu-jitsu, etc.
 
2020-05-21 12:33:03 PM  
Either I have missed something  or the old far is full of shiat as i have always thought of Tai Chi as a kind of exercise to promote flexibility rather than a martial art.
 
2020-05-21 12:35:10 PM  

Warthog: So, for those of you who actually study this stuff -- are there any legit Asian marshal arts out there, where if mastered you could take on your typical MMA fighters?  Or has it all become ritualized, and divorced form actual hand to hand combat?


Yes.  They are taught in the Marine Core.
 
2020-05-21 12:50:15 PM  

Warthog: So, for those of you who actually study this stuff -- are there any legit Asian marshal arts out there, where if mastered you could take on your typical MMA fighters?  Or has it all become ritualized, and divorced form actual hand to hand combat?


Judo and Muay Thai. Some kickboxing. Shootfighting had success early -- it's basically Kenpo mixed with wrestling. If you add some BJJ and kickboxing to it, it's modern MMA.

MMA is basically BJJ+American wrestling, with a lot of boxing and some kickboxing added in.
 
2020-05-21 12:56:36 PM  
Bullshido is a great rabbithole.
 
2020-05-21 1:11:50 PM  

Mike_LowELL: Warthog: So, for those of you who actually study this stuff -- are there any legit Asian marshal arts out there, where if mastered you could take on your typical MMA fighters?  Or has it all become ritualized, and divorced form actual hand to hand combat?

I provide the answer you seek.


Mike, is this how you got so good at Mario Kart?
 
2020-05-21 2:44:48 PM  

dk47: Bullshido is a great rabbithole.


I've lost many, MANY hours to this forum.
 
2020-05-21 3:30:51 PM  

DoomsdayDevice: Mike, is this how you got so good at Mario Kart?


If you can take eleven other children in a fight, you can easily go online and take on eleven other children in a videogame.  The one true law is the Law of the Fist.  There is a reason they call my haymaker the "Blue Shell".  It always helps me defeat my enemies when I am behind.
 
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2020-05-21 3:35:31 PM  
Rex-Kwan Do is the answer you are looking for.

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2020-05-21 4:43:04 PM  

LordZorch: It's called "bullshido" - martial arts con artists are a dime a dozen because it's a relatively easy racket to pull off.


Kind of like motivational speakers, but they get paid a hell of a lot more.
 
2020-05-21 6:00:40 PM  
I didn't know that kicking 70-year-olds' asses because they act tough despite having never fought was cool, but I suppose it is to MMA fans.
 
2020-05-21 6:09:19 PM  
Neither one would last longer against Master Ken
100 Ways to Attack the Groin | Master Ken
Youtube gyXhysmMNhE
 
2020-05-21 10:17:38 PM  
I study Tai Kwan Leep.

The Frantics - Boot to the Head - 16. Ti Kwan Leep
Youtube Z8VD4JXUozM
 
2020-05-22 12:16:14 AM  

IAmRight: I didn't know that kicking 70-year-olds' asses because they act tough despite having never fought was cool, but I suppose it is to MMA fans.


*shrug*

He shiat talked pro fighters for years and insisted he could beat them.  Writing checks your ass can't cash isn't age exclusive.
 
2020-05-22 2:12:54 AM  

American-Irish eyes: Taekwondo is actually a military art and useful to an extent.


Just wondering what you think martial means.
 
2020-05-22 3:23:57 AM  
Indiana Jones - Raiders Of The Lost Ark (1981) - Sword Fight
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2020-05-22 8:53:38 AM  

Flappyhead: IAmRight: I didn't know that kicking 70-year-olds' asses because they act tough despite having never fought was cool, but I suppose it is to MMA fans.

*shrug*

He shiat talked pro fighters for years and insisted he could beat them.  Writing checks your ass can't cash isn't age exclusive.


Most sane people just shrug and laugh/feel sorry for the pathetic old dude.

Although I suppose in America, we elect weak old liars who talk trash they can never back up President, which is probably going too far the other way.
 
2020-05-22 11:17:12 AM  

Swiss Colony: American-Irish eyes: Taekwondo is actually a military art and useful to an extent.

Just wondering what you think martial means.


Realize how redundant that was, not to mention I later referenced it as material.
 
2020-05-22 6:04:46 PM  

Warthog: So, for those of you who actually study this stuff -- are there any legit Asian marshal arts out there, where if mastered you could take on your typical MMA fighters?  Or has it all become ritualized, and divorced form actual hand to hand combat?


1) Yes

2) All too often.

MMA schools are now in the phase that most kung-fu/karate schools were 40 to 50 years ago, when getting a fat lip, cracked ribs, and peeing blood for two days was NORMAL, even when wearing protective gear, after sparring practice. Most Asian style schools are making their money off of 6-year olds for a couple years each. Strip-mall dojos are mostly about making little kids run laps and the "revenue rainbow" of belt promotion fees.

There are serious dojos teaching serious students how to really fight. The problem is that this comprises a rather small number of schools and then it's reserved for a small percentage of students who show serious discipline and a willingness to take solid hits when they let their guard down.
 
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