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(Time)   The widower of an author and preacher describes his journey through our healthcare "system." Tag is for the system   (time.com) divider line
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2020-05-21 7:09:39 AM  
Proponents of the current healthcare system are either coonts, invested in it, or both.
 
2020-05-21 8:10:33 AM  
With a lot of issues with my mom lately, I'm learning more than I want to know about healthcare. Again.

I found a clipped piece by Cal Thomas she saved, a guy I seldom agree with. It was very good pointing out that the former stars of health care dramas, the doctor and patient, are now basically bit players in a financial drama that's all about profit.

Cal is still a dummy though since he feels government health care will never work. Dealing with Mom, her Medicare, and her supplemental insurance has been pretty easy, far easier than when we younger folks have to deal with big issues.

I've had health care within the military, private HMOs, PPOs, and the VA as well as dealt with Medicare via the old people in our lives. Every time, the goverment associated healthcare has been cheaper and easier to figure out.
 
2020-05-21 8:12:43 AM  

Weird Hal: Proponents of the current healthcare system are either coonts, invested in it, or both.


Sadly, Republicans and most Democrats prefer it. Evidently they think unnecessary suffering is a good thing.
 
2020-05-21 8:27:05 AM  
The US health care system is a giant scam from top to bottom.  They may cure your illness, but that is purely incidental.
 
2020-05-21 8:29:53 AM  

Tyrone Slothrop: Evidently they think unnecessary suffering is a good thing.


Legislators will believe anything if you pay them enough.
 
2020-05-21 9:19:51 AM  
A lot of hospitals have folks called financial social workers on staff. Ten minutes with one of them can save you from countless hours of frustration on the phone.
 
2020-05-21 9:46:46 AM  
Here's an idea.  Want to cut medical costs?  Treat less.  If you don't transport folks by helicopter then you don't have helicopter bills.  Because once you say that helicopters can transfer folks, then there is going to be a big bill because they are not cheap no matter how good the cause or how hard you wish.

Don't want a $200,000 bill for treatment?  Don't treat folks with expensive machines at expensive hospitals and have cheaper doctors and nurses and maintenance people.  Roll things back 50 or 100 years and provide that kind of medical treatment and bills will drop.  When bills drop then everyone pays their share and nothing extra for the folks who had a bad bit of luck and got super injured or super sick. Hospital billing won't have to do the money discount dance.  Sure, you could get the government to pay for everything.  The efficiency in that should work just fine.
 
2020-05-21 11:05:54 AM  

hestheone: Here's an idea.  Want to cut medical costs?  Treat less.  If you don't transport folks by helicopter then you don't have helicopter bills.  Because once you say that helicopters can transfer folks, then there is going to be a big bill because they are not cheap no matter how good the cause or how hard you wish.

Don't want a $200,000 bill for treatment?  Don't treat folks with expensive machines at expensive hospitals and have cheaper doctors and nurses and maintenance people.  Roll things back 50 or 100 years and provide that kind of medical treatment and bills will drop.  When bills drop then everyone pays their share and nothing extra for the folks who had a bad bit of luck and got super injured or super sick. Hospital billing won't have to do the money discount dance.  Sure, you could get the government to pay for everything.  The efficiency in that should work just fine.


Not really.  There are some 10-20 layers of management now between the patient and doctor.  Insurance companies have recently put the PCP at the center of care, and will deny payments for individuals who don't see their PCP first.  So service costs are controlled, it's the 90% of people involved in health care who are not providers or work for insurance companies that demand massive, staggering administrative costs.
We have a massive student debt problem with providers as well, most of whom take out loans to become qualified and licensed to practice.  Large numbers of MDs now have over $1 million in unforgivable, relatively high interest debt.  Private equity is involved, and demands large profits and increases in profits year over year.  Wall Street is also involved with the crummy health savings account scams.
So again and again and again:  Heavily subsidize higher education (like in the 20th century), and eliminate the layers which don't contribute to health care.  Make it simple, one administration (public or private), to act as insurer, and don't employ armies of billing, debt, and investment folks.
Americans had a choice on that with the democratic primary.  Biden handily defeated single payer and higher education subsidies.
It turns out boomers who vote in really high numbers, who had white glove health benefits their entire lives, and enjoyed 90% higher ed subsidies don't want that for younger folks of whom few voted.
Something something, elections matter.
 
2020-05-21 8:00:46 PM  

Northern: hestheone: Here's an idea.  Want to cut medical costs?  Treat less.  If you don't transport folks by helicopter then you don't have helicopter bills.  Because once you say that helicopters can transfer folks, then there is going to be a big bill because they are not cheap no matter how good the cause or how hard you wish.

Don't want a $200,000 bill for treatment?  Don't treat folks with expensive machines at expensive hospitals and have cheaper doctors and nurses and maintenance people.  Roll things back 50 or 100 years and provide that kind of medical treatment and bills will drop.  When bills drop then everyone pays their share and nothing extra for the folks who had a bad bit of luck and got super injured or super sick. Hospital billing won't have to do the money discount dance.  Sure, you could get the government to pay for everything.  The efficiency in that should work just fine.

Not really.  There are some 10-20 layers of management now between the patient and doctor.  Insurance companies have recently put the PCP at the center of care, and will deny payments for individuals who don't see their PCP first.  So service costs are controlled, it's the 90% of people involved in health care who are not providers or work for insurance companies that demand massive, staggering administrative costs.
We have a massive student debt problem with providers as well, most of whom take out loans to become qualified and licensed to practice.  Large numbers of MDs now have over $1 million in unforgivable, relatively high interest debt.  Private equity is involved, and demands large profits and increases in profits year over year.  Wall Street is also involved with the crummy health savings account scams.
So again and again and again:  Heavily subsidize higher education (like in the 20th century), and eliminate the layers which don't contribute to health care.  Make it simple, one administration (public or private), to act as insurer, and don't employ armies of billing, debt, and investment folks.
Americans had a choice on that with the democratic primary.  Biden handily defeated single payer and higher education subsidies.
It turns out boomers who vote in really high numbers, who had white glove health benefits their entire lives, and enjoyed 90% higher ed subsidies don't want that for younger folks of whom few voted.
Something something, elections matter.


Biden will surprise you
 
2020-05-21 11:00:48 PM  
Biden surprises himself every time he looks in the mirror and wonders who that guy is.
 
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