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2020-05-20 3:06:47 PM  

DesertCoyote: Oh, I forgot to mention the Coronavirus might have not killed alternative radio, but it might just have killed sports talk radio.


where will i tune in to hear endless ballgargling for kevin durant?
 
2020-05-20 3:10:16 PM  
I think that college radio is going to be the last refuge. Stuff done for cheap, independently, and no commercials. My dad is giving up on his news/talk station because it is becoming too right wing. It looks like Entercom took over a few years ago, then sold to iHeartRadio. iHeartRadio farked up my favorite rock station years ago by eliminating the only original programming. Everything radio is going to shiat but those stations that depend on donations won't have to worry about it.
 
2020-05-20 3:11:15 PM  

DesertCoyote: bhcompy: ladyfish2000: Left Cali 25 years ago.  Are there any rock stations left in LA?  KMET and KLOS switched formats eons ago.  There used to be a metal station somewhere at the end of the dial.

KLOS still plays rock.  There is no metal station.  I head to BFE on a work trip and there's two metal stations on the dial, but in LA there's nothing despite being the second largest media market in the US

DesertCoyote: for the few who know how what HD Radio is.

I rarely find cars with stereos that even support it

There's more cars out there with HD than you think. Automakers hide the feature and/or shut it off at the factory because of the money SiriusXM gives them.


which is too bad - the sound quality of most streaming services sucks ass because of the compression
 
2020-05-20 3:13:13 PM  

Thank You Black Jesus!: DesertCoyote: Oh, I forgot to mention the Coronavirus might have not killed alternative radio, but it might just have killed sports talk radio.

where will i tune in to hear endless ballgargling for kevin durant?


I don't know, but my former favorite sports talk show became "let's hate on the Packers show." And I'm not even in Minnesota!

Then there's Roc & Manuch. Don't get me started with them.
 
2020-05-20 3:16:34 PM  
in re the headline- x years ago, (many), i don't recall the call letters but it was billed as "west michigan's only alternative".  i was running errands, and kept hearing that REM song every hour or so with zero context.  it got a bit creepy; turned out the station had been bought out and was changing formats
 
2020-05-20 3:24:29 PM  

DesertCoyote: bluorangefyre: Entercom is just softening it up to sell it to Educational Media Foundation to convert it to a Christian station.

EMF already has an LA signal at 100.3, which has gets better reception than 106.7.


That's unbelievable
 
2020-05-20 3:26:18 PM  

Mikey1969: atedogonce: Mikey1969: The iconic Los Angeles station is on life support - and it has nothing to do with coronavirus.

Ya think?

Jesus, radio is one of those things that can be run with almost no crew. Hell, and engineer and a DJ are all of the people who need to be in the office at any given time, and that's if you decide to keep going the old fashioned route. I've been listening to radio since 2002 or so that was done remotely. Alice Cooper has done his radio show forever, and does it on tour even. He records his drops, then they add the music that supposed to play. Sirius does the same thing. Their only public studios are really just so the fans can see the talent sometimes. In reality, the majority of their stuff is done with the DJs in home studios.

So yeah, Coronavirus should only affect a radio station due to possible ad revenue reductions, but not lockdowns.

Sure, a show that just plays music and features the occasional guest may be easy to run.  But KROQ had the #1 morning show, which is far more complex. It takes a lot of behind-the-scenes production, talent coordination, editorial, creative development, writing, event planning, etc.  That gets expensive, especially when it's filling up an hour or two of content 5 days a week.

LOL, morning shows don't have "talent". They have guys who think they're funny and have a sound board to put in effects. Otherwise, it's all shiat that can STILL be adjusted to a remote setup.

But I digress...

Look, if TV shows like Kimmel, Fallon, et al. can do it, a radio show can farking do it, too. So my point stands, it doesn't require an army to put radio on the air, so it's pretty obvious that lockdown orders and quarantining aren't going to kill a radio station.


Now that you say basically the same thing in a slightly different way, I totally agree that putting together a #1 morning show in a major market sounds super easy.

And since you sound both smart and hilarious, you should go do it and cash in on all that talent that you're currently only sharing with us on Fark.  Don't deprive the world of hearing more of your genius.
 
2020-05-20 3:29:40 PM  

Mikey1969: atedogonce: Mikey1969: The iconic Los Angeles station is on life support - and it has nothing to do with coronavirus.

Ya think?

Jesus, radio is one of those things that can be run with almost no crew. Hell, and engineer and a DJ are all of the people who need to be in the office at any given time, and that's if you decide to keep going the old fashioned route. I've been listening to radio since 2002 or so that was done remotely. Alice Cooper has done his radio show forever, and does it on tour even. He records his drops, then they add the music that supposed to play. Sirius does the same thing. Their only public studios are really just so the fans can see the talent sometimes. In reality, the majority of their stuff is done with the DJs in home studios.

So yeah, Coronavirus should only affect a radio station due to possible ad revenue reductions, but not lockdowns.

Sure, a show that just plays music and features the occasional guest may be easy to run.  But KROQ had the #1 morning show, which is far more complex. It takes a lot of behind-the-scenes production, talent coordination, editorial, creative development, writing, event planning, etc.  That gets expensive, especially when it's filling up an hour or two of content 5 days a week.

LOL, morning shows don't have "talent". They have guys who think they're funny and have a sound board to put in effects. Otherwise, it's all shiat that can STILL be adjusted to a remote setup.

But I digress...

Look, if TV shows like Kimmel, Fallon, et al. can do it, a radio show can farking do it, too. So my point stands, it doesn't require an army to put radio on the air, so it's pretty obvious that lockdown orders and quarantining aren't going to kill a radio station.


Also, do you really think Kimmel and Fallon don't have an army of writers, producers, and other staff helping them to create their shows?
 
2020-05-20 3:33:00 PM  

Mikey1969: The iconic Los Angeles station is on life support - and it has nothing to do with coronavirus.

Ya think?

Jesus, radio is one of those things that can be run with almost no crew. Hell, and engineer and a DJ are all of the people who need to be in the office at any given time, and that's if you decide to keep going the old fashioned route. I've been listening to radio since 2002 or so that was done remotely. Alice Cooper has done his radio show forever, and does it on tour even. He records his drops, then they add the music that supposed to play. Sirius does the same thing. Their only public studios are really just so the fans can see the talent sometimes. In reality, the majority of their stuff is done with the DJs in home studios.

So yeah, Coronavirus should only affect a radio station due to possible ad revenue reductions, but not lockdowns.


i think lockdowns would equal dismal ad revenue; i know i only listen to the radio when i'm driving.  (no offense to certain streaming farkers)   so what company is spending much on radio spots right now?
 
2020-05-20 3:53:42 PM  

rainbowbutter: Mikey1969: The iconic Los Angeles station is on life support - and it has nothing to do with coronavirus.

Ya think?

Jesus, radio is one of those things that can be run with almost no crew. Hell, and engineer and a DJ are all of the people who need to be in the office at any given time, and that's if you decide to keep going the old fashioned route. I've been listening to radio since 2002 or so that was done remotely. Alice Cooper has done his radio show forever, and does it on tour even. He records his drops, then they add the music that supposed to play. Sirius does the same thing. Their only public studios are really just so the fans can see the talent sometimes. In reality, the majority of their stuff is done with the DJs in home studios.

So yeah, Coronavirus should only affect a radio station due to possible ad revenue reductions, but not lockdowns.

i think lockdowns would equal dismal ad revenue; i know i only listen to the radio when i'm driving.  (no offense to certain streaming farkers)   so what company is spending much on radio spots right now?


Some stations I've heard have been relegated to only airing ads for vaping/nicotine products.
 
2020-05-20 4:01:26 PM  

Superjoe: I think that college radio is going to be the last refuge. Stuff done for cheap, independently, and no commercials. My dad is giving up on his news/talk station because it is becoming too right wing. It looks like Entercom took over a few years ago, then sold to iHeartRadio. iHeartRadio farked up my favorite rock station years ago by eliminating the only original programming. Everything radio is going to shiat but those stations that depend on donations won't have to worry about it.


IHeartRadio sucks. I have a friend that works for Entercom, so I can't sheer for their demise, but IHeartRadio is just ClearChannel rebranded because everyone hated them so much. I mean, SiriusXM has the same stations wherever you go, but that's because it's the same station. IHeartRadio tries to pretend that they are still your "local station", and then they play the exact same playlist as every other one of their stations.
 
2020-05-20 4:04:51 PM  

rainbowbutter: Mikey1969: The iconic Los Angeles station is on life support - and it has nothing to do with coronavirus.

Ya think?

Jesus, radio is one of those things that can be run with almost no crew. Hell, and engineer and a DJ are all of the people who need to be in the office at any given time, and that's if you decide to keep going the old fashioned route. I've been listening to radio since 2002 or so that was done remotely. Alice Cooper has done his radio show forever, and does it on tour even. He records his drops, then they add the music that supposed to play. Sirius does the same thing. Their only public studios are really just so the fans can see the talent sometimes. In reality, the majority of their stuff is done with the DJs in home studios.

So yeah, Coronavirus should only affect a radio station due to possible ad revenue reductions, but not lockdowns.

i think lockdowns would equal dismal ad revenue; i know i only listen to the radio when i'm driving.  (no offense to certain streaming farkers)   so what company is spending much on radio spots right now?


People listen to music all of the time. Not just while driving. As I have mentioned, I listen to SiriusXM, mostly because I got sick of listening to 20 minute long commercial breaks on a 25 minute commute. On lockdown, I still listen to SiriusXM daily. If I didn't have it, I'd be listening to the radio daily. So I'm sure people are still listening. I was talking about ad revenue being down for the same reason that Drew has sent out all of the "Please send me your money!!" newsletters, not because people aren't driving as much.
 
2020-05-20 4:10:09 PM  

ladyfish2000: Left Cali 25 years ago.  Are there any rock stations left in LA?  KMET and KLOS switched formats eons ago.  There used to be a metal station somewhere at the end of the dial.


That was KNAC.

CSB: I was listening to "Rock 'n Rhythm KNAC" one Sunday evening when they played "Oh shiat" by the Buzzcocks, then "God Save the Queen" by the Sex Pistols.  Then they played "It's A Long Way to the Top" by AC/DC.

So I heard the transition to metal.

/CSB
 
2020-05-20 4:10:54 PM  
I remember when Kimmel was the sports guy for Kevin & Bean. It's been nothing but a comedy of errors for a while with KROQ's management. How they handled ending Lisa May's contract, firing Ralph and finally the way they fired everyone on the morning show. I haven't listened to an Entercom station at all since then. KLOS isn't a great alternative since my tastes skew a bit younger than their target audience.

I do agree with the criticism of the glacial movement at KROQ with new music. I didn't need to hear RHCP every hour, same with Nirvana. The genre of alternative rock is huge now so there was room to bring in more music.
 
2020-05-20 4:29:57 PM  

Mikey1969: Superjoe: I think that college radio is going to be the last refuge. Stuff done for cheap, independently, and no commercials. My dad is giving up on his news/talk station because it is becoming too right wing. It looks like Entercom took over a few years ago, then sold to iHeartRadio. iHeartRadio farked up my favorite rock station years ago by eliminating the only original programming. Everything radio is going to shiat but those stations that depend on donations won't have to worry about it.

IHeartRadio sucks. I have a friend that works for Entercom, so I can't sheer for their demise, but IHeartRadio is just ClearChannel rebranded because everyone hated them so much. I mean, SiriusXM has the same stations wherever you go, but that's because it's the same station. IHeartRadio tries to pretend that they are still your "local station", and then they play the exact same playlist as every other one of their stations.


Entercom took on a lot of debt when they bought the CBS stations. That's why they're making changes with their stations.
 
2020-05-20 4:53:49 PM  

Mikey1969: Superjoe: I think that college radio is going to be the last refuge. Stuff done for cheap, independently, and no commercials. My dad is giving up on his news/talk station because it is becoming too right wing. It looks like Entercom took over a few years ago, then sold to iHeartRadio. iHeartRadio farked up my favorite rock station years ago by eliminating the only original programming. Everything radio is going to shiat but those stations that depend on donations won't have to worry about it.

IHeartRadio sucks. I have a friend that works for Entercom, so I can't sheer for their demise, but IHeartRadio is just ClearChannel rebranded because everyone hated them so much. I mean, SiriusXM has the same stations wherever you go, but that's because it's the same station. IHeartRadio tries to pretend that they are still your "local station", and then they play the exact same playlist as every other one of their stations.


Agreed.  When I first got a Roku player, I installed the iHeart Radio channel.  I proceeded to switch between X 101.5 and DC 101 and heard the same songs at the same time.  I was disappointed, since once upon a time DC 101 gave us Howard Stern, and X 101.5 gave us Creed.
 
2020-05-20 4:55:55 PM  
I'm sympathetic to the problem they have. All they've played lately is hits from 15-20 years ago. That's called an oldies station, in my book. And their excuse was "That's what the listeners want to hear."

Radio stations should be leaders. They should be informing listeners what to like, not the other way around. New music always sounds a bit strange until you've heard it a few times, and then it becomes familiar and you realize you like it.

KROQ just sat on its own tired laurels and declined for 10 years. Time for a change.
 
2020-05-20 5:06:01 PM  
Turns out management killed the Radio stars
 
2020-05-20 5:39:11 PM  

forgotmydamnusername: LesserEvil: WWCK 105.5 in Flint, MI was the groundbreaker in the 70s for "Album Rock" - emulated by big market stations in New York, LA, and elsewhere.

It died in the 80s, when the format switched to pop, and they started their new era with Michael Jackson's Beat It.

Anything that came after it was a pale imitation, at best.

One of the problems with the AOR format was inconsistency and racism. The stations happily played shiat that wasn't much like rock at all, as long as a white boy or girl was responsible for it. Queen's experiment with light opera, Debbie Harry's attempt at rap. etc., etc.


He's actually right. Pat Boone was the most insidious. But Backstreet boys, New Kids on the Block, all were created to compete against Boyz II Men, New Editon, Jagged Edge, Shai, et.al.

It's okay, that's how things go. But it kept fragmenting the audience. We couldn't have a straight Top 40.We needed to appeal to Becky and Becky's mom. We had to have the basically the "white top 40," and the "black top 40." Whitney Houston was groomed to be marketed to the White top 40. And of course, there were lots of crossovers. But that shiat was a long time coming.

/former disc jockey, Top 40 station for 10 years, R&B show for one year, classic rock stations for two.
//I never listen to the radio anymore
///Got the unlimited data plan specifically so I could stream Spotify. I make great playlists
 
2020-05-20 5:47:26 PM  

RocketRay: ladyfish2000: Left Cali 25 years ago.  Are there any rock stations left in LA?  KMET and KLOS switched formats eons ago.  There used to be a metal station somewhere at the end of the dial.

That was KNAC.

CSB: I was listening to "Rock 'n Rhythm KNAC" one Sunday evening when they played "Oh shiat" by the Buzzcocks, then "God Save the Queen" by the Sex Pistols.  Then they played "It's A Long Way to the Top" by AC/DC.

So I heard the transition to metal.

/CSB


KNAC's very first song was "It's A Long Way To The Top" and their very last song was "Fade to Black".
 
2020-05-20 5:52:15 PM  

Gooch: Turns out management killed the Radio stars


The managers in the article were called out by name by Jimmy Kimmel as scumbag motherfarkers on the Adam Carolla podcast after the mass firings.  Adam had Kevin and Kimmel on the show that day to discuss what happened.  Everyone agreed that not only was it shiatty to have fired Kevin like that, but also all the unnecessary firings of all the hourly employees who needed that health insurance right at the beginning of a pandemic.  Kimmel went off on them saying that he hopes that they end up struggling and suffering in life for what they did.  He pulled no punches.

And of course, Ralph Garman had similar things to say on Kevin Smith's podcast.
 
2020-05-20 6:40:39 PM  

DesertCoyote: bluorangefyre: Entercom is just softening it up to sell it to Educational Media Foundation to convert it to a Christian station.

EMF already has an LA signal at 100.3, which has gets better reception than 106.7.


Their old format started off as album rock, and then they went and "poached" Uncle Joe and it became the same farking Led Zepplin-Aerosmith-Rolling Stones slurry that made KLOS unlistenable for so long. "Oh it's such a shame, this was such a unique station for LA to lose," NO UNCLE JOE, YOU'RE THE DUMB fark WHO RUINED IT.
 
2020-05-20 6:42:22 PM  

djslowdive: KROQ died in '92 when grunge became popular.


I think the grunge era was KROQ's last moment of relevance. Nirvana was being played just about everywhere on radio, but it didn't belong next to Pink Floyd and The Beatles on the rock stations. They did fit right in with what KROQ was playing. After grunge was over and hip hop influence replaced rock influence, KROQ was the one left with no place to go in my opinion. At that point the rock stations were the obvious place for anything rock oriented. What was the 'new' music that would fit in the KROQ progression? They became the Harley Davidson of radio stations. They continued to cater to the old fans they had left, while failing to create a new identity that might attract new, young fans. The end result is what they have now. All the old people are gone but the new people coming in bring no new identity. It's just a generic radio station now.
 
2020-05-20 7:17:50 PM  

rainbowbutter: in re the headline- x years ago, (many), i don't recall the call letters but it was billed as "west michigan's only alternative".  i was running errands, and kept hearing that REM song every hour or so with zero context.  it got a bit creepy; turned out the station had been bought out and was changing formats


Was it 92.1 in Zeeland or Holland?  That's the last one I remember.  Good station, had live and local jocks that would play what they wanted.
 
2020-05-20 7:40:57 PM  

BlackChickWhiteAccent: We couldn't have a straight Top 40.We needed to appeal to Becky and Becky's mom. We had to have the basically the "white top 40," and the "black top 40."


That was for Becky's grandmom and great grand-mom
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2020-05-20 7:43:43 PM  

BlackChickWhiteAccent: Whitney Houston was groomed to be marketed to the White top 40.


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2020-05-21 12:17:50 AM  

kevhead07: rainbowbutter: in re the headline- x years ago, (many), i don't recall the call letters but it was billed as "west michigan's only alternative".  i was running errands, and kept hearing that REM song every hour or so with zero context.  it got a bit creepy; turned out the station had been bought out and was changing formats

Was it 92.1 in Zeeland or Holland?  That's the last one I remember.  Good station, had live and local jocks that would play what they wanted.


Grand Rapids.  but when i try to remember the number all i get is
97X *bang* the future of rock'n'roll
97X *bang* the future of rock'n'roll...  grew up outside Cincinnati.  (closer outside than most people, i mean)
 
2020-05-21 1:33:21 AM  
Oh, hey, Entercom is farking up KROQ the same way they've farked up Alt94.9 here in San Diego.  This is my shocked face:

8-|
 
2020-05-21 10:10:17 AM  

StevieWonder_DrivingInstructor: Oh, hey, Entercom is farking up KROQ the same way they've farked up Alt94.9 here in San Diego.  This is my shocked face:

8-|


To be fair, KROQ was farked up long before Entercom came along.
 
2020-05-21 11:03:46 AM  

Dr Jack Badofsky: N4LG4s: Dr Jack Badofsky: Between KROQ and KNAC, good times.

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I also kinda miss KQLZ 100.1 Pirate Radio.


I was barely a high schooler so my memory is that of a kid/fan.  I've read the corporate story too and it's fasciniating.

I was an adolescent transitioning from pop to metal (KIISFM to KNAC).  Suddenly there's a "pirate radio" station who claimed to be broadcasting from outside Catalina Island, with no FCC restrictions.  They were using language I hadn't heard on the radio at that point.  They had rude shock comedy and a mix of hair band music and rock/pop like Roxette.

The morning radio humor could never be done today.  They had "Smurfs invade 7/11" and made a million Indian/Arab (because what's the difference, right) jokes.  This was around the whole Bart Simpson/Desert Storm time.  I still remember one spoof which was Homer Simpson rapping "U Can't Watch This" about how bad The Cosby Show was when it was huge headline news that Fox' Simpsons were moving to thursdays face to face with Cosby.

I was fascinated.  I heard it really WAS a pirate station at first but it quickly became a marketing gimmick that I swallowed hook line and sinker.  They took potshots at the other rock stations and their personalities "Mark & Brainless", "little Dicky Dees", etc).

Their ratings rapidly overtook not only the rock market, but became number one in the entire L.A. market, passing up the hip hop and spanish stations.  Which is unthinkable now.  They raided the competition's talent like Eric Bischoff in WCW, recruiting radio legends like Long Paul and Tawn Mastry.  Meanwhile KNAC abandoned hair metal and focused on heavier music.

What a time to be alive.
 
2020-05-21 3:48:31 PM  

DesertCoyote: Oh, I forgot to mention the Coronavirus might have not killed alternative radio, but it might just have killed sports talk radio.


Funny story, local talk radio guy is an avid sports fan and was talking about trying to get some relief and was watching German Soccer (yes I know football) and said he couldn't be compelled to watch it because it just isnt the same without the cheering fans and he said he thinks this may be true when everything else kicks up again.

Upon hearing that I thought "if watching your favorite sportsball isnt enjoyable without hearing fans in the background is it really worth watching in the first place?"

/Remember meeting Poorman in 88 or 89 when he was live on Redondo Beach and thinking he is short
 
2020-05-21 3:51:27 PM  

DesertCoyote: bluorangefyre: Entercom is just softening it up to sell it to Educational Media Foundation to convert it to a Christian station.

EMF already has an LA signal at 100.3, which has gets better reception than 106.7.


That was Pirate Radio back in my day. Every Friday at 4 they would play Working for the Weekend by Forwigner
 
2020-05-21 3:52:42 PM  

Dr Jack Badofsky: N4LG4s: Dr Jack Badofsky: Between KROQ and KNAC, good times.

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I also kinda miss KQLZ 100.1 Pirate Radio.


Was it 100.1? I thought it was .3
Then again last thing me I cared was 1989
 
2020-05-21 3:58:41 PM  

rikkards: Dr Jack Badofsky: N4LG4s: Dr Jack Badofsky: Between KROQ and KNAC, good times.

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I also kinda miss KQLZ 100.1 Pirate Radio.

Was it 100.1? I thought it was .3
Then again last thing me I cared was 1989


1, 3 whatevs.  It' ain't around no more so no worry.
 
2020-05-21 4:10:09 PM  

Dr Jack Badofsky: rikkards: Dr Jack Badofsky: N4LG4s: Dr Jack Badofsky: Between KROQ and KNAC, good times.

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I also kinda miss KQLZ 100.1 Pirate Radio.

Was it 100.1? I thought it was .3
Then again last thing me I cared was 1989

1, 3 whatevs.  It' ain't around no more so no worry.


Lol, I had a 4*5 cardboard adboard that a bunch of us teefed from a local mall (Peninsula Center in Rolling Hills). Two hex bolts (T10) at the bottom of the glass partition removed  and you could slide it out.
 
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