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2020-05-20 12:36:22 PM  
I believe we're doing all of this on cost plus contracts.  Which means any resulting product will be way too expensive to use, and either ridiculously complex or hopelessly overextended.

So no biggie.  A few hundred billion wasted, tops.
 
2020-05-20 2:59:43 PM  
I feel good knowing theres a functionally illiterate draft dodger in charge.
 
2020-05-20 3:02:14 PM  
Doesn't Iran have the Really Kickass Torpedo?

Hypersonics are vaporware, yeah? They exist only in theory. It's the new mineshaft gap.
 
2020-05-20 3:02:22 PM  
That headline could probably say 'trump throws money down large end of funnel with small end pointed at friends, family, grifters' and be true.
 
2020-05-20 3:02:28 PM  
Can't they just pretend to make it and then tell him it runs on the Invisibility Engine like the F-35?
 
2020-05-20 3:05:37 PM  
Welp, I guess we ended WWll a few years to early.
 
2020-05-20 3:07:55 PM  
I can live with a super-duper missile gap.
 
2020-05-20 3:08:19 PM  

joker420: Welp, I guess we ended WWll a few years to early.


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2020-05-20 3:09:15 PM  
ICBKM: Intercontinental bees-knees missile
 
2020-05-20 3:10:09 PM  
Trump occasionally mentions his interest in hypersonic weapons, sometimes without using the term. In February he told governors visiting the White House: "We have the super-fast missiles - tremendous number of the super-fast. We call them 'super-fast,' where they're four, five, six and even seven times faster than an ordinary missile. We need that because, again, Russia has some."

And last Friday, Trump told reporters, "We have no choice, we have to do it, with the adversaries we have out there," mentioning China and Russia. He added, "I call it the super-duper missile." He said he "heard" it travels 17 times faster than any other U.S. missile. "It just got the go-ahead," he added, although the Pentagon would not comment on that.



That whole section of the article could have been replaced by a single line, and we all would have been better off.

"President Trump is excited about hypersonic missiles and wants some, but doesn't understand them."
 
2020-05-20 3:11:21 PM  
Call me when we have a radical rail gun
 
2020-05-20 3:14:03 PM  
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2020-05-20 3:14:06 PM  

Conservative Evangelical Millennial Cyclist: Call me when we have a radical rail gun


We have a radical railgun.

You mean when we have the Hammer of Dawn.
 
2020-05-20 3:16:52 PM  
I've heard good things about the MAGA-missile, except it always veers wildly to the right and can only attack dark targets.
 
2020-05-20 3:17:46 PM  

BigNumber12: Trump occasionally mentions his interest in hypersonic weapons, sometimes without using the term. In February he told governors visiting the White House: "We have the super-fast missiles - tremendous number of the super-fast. We call them 'super-fast,' where they're four, five, six and even seven times faster than an ordinary missile. We need that because, again, Russia has some."

And last Friday, Trump told reporters, "We have no choice, we have to do it, with the adversaries we have out there," mentioning China and Russia. He added, "I call it the super-duper missile." He said he "heard" it travels 17 times faster than any other U.S. missile. "It just got the go-ahead," he added, although the Pentagon would not comment on that.


That whole section of the article could have been replaced by a single line, and we all would have been better off.

"President Trump is excited about hypersonic missiles and wants some, but doesn't understand them."


Was his response a mad lib?
 
2020-05-20 3:18:50 PM  
Is this just some viral marketing for Space Force? The second trailer came out the other day.
 
2020-05-20 3:21:53 PM  

BigNumber12: That whole section of the article could have been replaced by a single line, and we all would have been better off.

"President Trump is excited about hypersonic missiles and wants some, but doesn't understand them."


Hey now, that's authentic presidential gibberish.
 
2020-05-20 3:22:08 PM  
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2020-05-20 3:24:56 PM  

mrparks: Doesn't Iran have the Really Kickass Torpedo?

Hypersonics are vaporware, yeah? They exist only in theory. It's the new mineshaft gap.


Not really. It depends on what sort of capability you are expecting.
Icbm's are hypersonic on reentry. Making a hypersonic glider is relatively simple, you just go up into the outer atmosphere to accelerate to high speeds before coming back in. This seems to be the sort of thing China and others have been experimenting with, a rebranded scud warhead.

I suspect the hypersonic missile they want is one that can do over Mach 5 at sea level, something that could steer around terrain and dash past missile defenses.   The problem is you can't run a normal jet turbine at these speeds. Rockets won't give you enough propulsion to sustain these speeds for long. You'd need a pulse wave detonation engine, a scramjet, or something equally sketchy and new.
We know the US has been dabbling in a lot of exotic tech lately in the attempt to make the dream weapon a reality, so there have very likely been a few breakthrough test articles but nothing to deploy.

We've made some of the first kind before tho, and we had to pull back for fear of accelerating the Cold War.
If we need those then it's probably not difficult to procure them. If we want the new hotness then that's going to take a while longer.


Sprint Missile
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2020-05-20 3:25:15 PM  

Gyrfalcon: Conservative Evangelical Millennial Cyclist: Call me when we have a radical rail gun

We have a radical railgun.

You mean when we have the Hammer of Dawn.


You mean the BFG-9000 for the infantry.
 
2020-05-20 3:26:39 PM  
Trump occasionally mentions his interest in hypersonic weapons, sometimes without using the term. In February he told governors visiting the White House: "We have the super-fast missiles - tremendous number of the super-fast. We call them 'super-fast,' where they're four, five, six and even seven times faster than an ordinary missile. We need that because, again, Russia has some."

And last Friday, Trump told reporters, "We have no choice, we have to do it, with the adversaries we have out there," mentioning China and Russia. He added, "I call it the super-duper missile." He said he "heard" it travels 17 times faster than any other U.S. missile. "It just got the go-ahead," he added, although the Pentagon would not comment on that


Proof that Trump
1) Is an idiot
2) Says anything that pops into his idiotic head
3) Has no filters at all
4) Loves to hear himself speak
5) See #1 again
 
2020-05-20 3:29:06 PM  
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2020-05-20 3:30:09 PM  
He never CALLED them "super-duper missiles."  That's false reporting and fake news.

He only said THAT he calls them that.  But he didn't call them that, so it's wrong to say that he did.

Checks mix, libturds.
 
2020-05-20 3:34:43 PM  
I won't be satisfied until our fighters can reach Ludicrous Speed.
 
2020-05-20 3:37:08 PM  
We call them 'super-fast,' where they're four, five, six and even seven times faster than an ordinary missile. We need that because, again, Russia has some."
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Ted : That's right. That's - that's good. That's good. Unless, of course, somebody comes up with one eight times faster. Then you're in trouble, huh?

[Trump convulses]

Trump : No! No, no, not eight ! I said seven. Nobody's comin' up with eight . Who makes a missile eight times faster? You won't even get your heart goin, not even a mouse on a wheel.

Ted : That - good point.

Trump : Seven's the key number here. Think about it. 7-Elevens. seven dwarves. Seven , man, that's the number. Seven chipmunks twirlin' on a branch, eatin' lots of sunflowers on my uncle's ranch. You know that old children's tale from the sea. It's like you're dreamin' about Gorgonzola cheese when it's clearly Brie time, baby. Step into my office.

Ted : Why?

Trump : 'Cause you're farkin' fired!
 
2020-05-20 3:37:25 PM  
a super-duper missile? I have a "Gonnafarkyoup" bomb.. it has laser beams...  (pinky finger to side of mouth)...
 
2020-05-20 3:38:51 PM  

way south: mrparks: Doesn't Iran have the Really Kickass Torpedo?

Hypersonics are vaporware, yeah? They exist only in theory. It's the new mineshaft gap.

We've made some of the first kind before tho, and we had to pull back for fear of accelerating the Cold War.
If we need those then it's probably not difficult to procure them. If we want the new hotness then that's going to take a while longer.


NASA was making something called the X-43 that could fly at mach 6.8 and technically "accelerate" at mach ~11 (at least the data centered slightly above positive acceleration).  They canceled the program and now the DoD has control, no idea if they've done anything with it.  The whole idea was to make a vastly more efficient means to orbit (Scramjets have an amazing Isp).

In general, the whole thing smells of Russia drawing us down a rabbit hole, with Trump leading the charge.  There's little advantage to such things, and immense technical difficulty.  Use a slow, stealthy drone and fire a missile when it is range.  Or use a cruise missile that runs too low for RADAR.  Hypersonic is a fools errand.
 
2020-05-20 3:42:49 PM  
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2020-05-20 3:47:27 PM  

yet_another_wumpus: In general, the whole thing smells of Russia drawing us down a rabbit hole, with Trump leading the charge.  There's little advantage to such things, and immense technical difficulty.  Use a slow, stealthy drone and fire a missile when it is range.  Or use a cruise missile that runs too low for RADAR.  Hypersonic is a fools errand.


At worst, we should be doing some modest development work that would keep us to a position of continuously being about seven years out from being able to field a functional system given a period of intense investment. That way, we maintain a competent base of technical experts who would be required should we feel war is imminent. We don't have to start from scratch, and we also can use the fact that adversaries would be investing espionage resources to figure out what we're building to maintain a competent counter-intelligence workforce and preemptively identify and eliminate people who would sell out their country for a new car or a thinner girlfriend.
 
2020-05-20 3:48:16 PM  
The Star Wars hustle again. Time for some more fartknockers to get rich.
Open up yer wallet!
 
2020-05-20 3:49:40 PM  

dothemath: I feel good knowing theres a functionally illiterate draft dodger in charge.


I would not like to have someone with his or her finger on the button who had ever volunteered to fight. It's a job for a coward.
 
2020-05-20 3:51:10 PM  
 
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With all the cash the US dumps into war and war related materials, shouldn't things look something like this?
 
2020-05-20 3:52:03 PM  

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dammit. those were gonna be the next 4 album names for my 90's hair metal/comedy throwback band (like Steel Panther, but waaay silllier),
 
2020-05-20 3:53:09 PM  
In February he told governors visiting the White House: "We have the super-fast missiles - tremendous number of the super-fast. We call them 'super-fast,' where they're four, five, six and even seven times faster than an ordinary missile. We need that because, again, Russia has some."

Next time he talks about them, they'll be 8, 9, 10, even 11 times faster!

And last Friday, Trump told reporters, "We have no choice, we have to do it, with the adversaries we have out there," mentioning China and Russia. He added, "I call it the super-duper missile." He said he "heard" it travels 17 times faster than any other U.S. missile.

*facepalm*
 
2020-05-20 3:57:06 PM  

Unicron74: Gyrfalcon: Conservative Evangelical Millennial Cyclist: Call me when we have a radical rail gun

We have a radical railgun.

You mean when we have the Hammer of Dawn.

You mean the BFG-9000 for the infantry.


I've wanted a chainsaw bayonet for over a decade.
 
2020-05-20 3:57:21 PM  

yet_another_wumpus: way south: mrparks: Doesn't Iran have the Really Kickass Torpedo?

Hypersonics are vaporware, yeah? They exist only in theory. It's the new mineshaft gap.

We've made some of the first kind before tho, and we had to pull back for fear of accelerating the Cold War.
If we need those then it's probably not difficult to procure them. If we want the new hotness then that's going to take a while longer.

NASA was making something called the X-43 that could fly at mach 6.8 and technically "accelerate" at mach ~11 (at least the data centered slightly above positive acceleration).  They canceled the program and now the DoD has control, no idea if they've done anything with it.  The whole idea was to make a vastly more efficient means to orbit (Scramjets have an amazing Isp).

In general, the whole thing smells of Russia drawing us down a rabbit hole, with Trump leading the charge.  There's little advantage to such things, and immense technical difficulty.  Use a slow, stealthy drone and fire a missile when it is range.  Or use a cruise missile that runs too low for RADAR.  Hypersonic is a fools errand.


Wow, this could be Russia pulling a "Star Wars" on us, like Reagon did to them 35 years ago?

How dumb do you have to be to fall for the trick you just pulled on the other guy?
 
2020-05-20 4:01:51 PM  

orbister: dothemath: I feel good knowing theres a functionally illiterate draft dodger in charge.

I would not like to have someone with his or her finger on the button who had ever volunteered to fight. It's a job for a coward.


In reality there is no "button". The President is always accompanied by an aide carrying a small valise containing a radio that can be used to contact SAC/NORAD.
The "finger" is also a myth. Presidents will typically use their penis to signal the initiation of WW3.
 
2020-05-20 4:04:23 PM  
"The fools.... The MAD fools" ....... "No more than 10 - 20 million dead tops"........... trump- "Hey maybe I will go down in history as the greatest mass murder ever -- think of the ratings"
 
2020-05-20 4:05:59 PM  
They did that in the 1950s and it had to be cancelled because the damn thing was so pants-shiattingly terrifying that it couldn't even be tested because the same maniacs who were perfectly happy to annihilate an island with a ten megaton hydrogen bomb looked at the design halfway through and concluded it was too dangerous to try.

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2020-05-20 4:07:06 PM  

dothemath: orbister: dothemath: I feel good knowing theres a functionally illiterate draft dodger in charge.

I would not like to have someone with his or her finger on the button who had ever volunteered to fight. It's a job for a coward.

In reality there is no "button". The President is always accompanied by an aide carrying a small valise containing a radio that can be used to contact SAC/NORAD.
The "finger" is also a myth. Presidents will typically use their penis to signal the initiation of WW3.


Ron Jeremy 2020 "Stick it to em"
 
2020-05-20 4:11:04 PM  

yet_another_wumpus: way south: mrparks: Doesn't Iran have the Really Kickass Torpedo?

Hypersonics are vaporware, yeah? They exist only in theory. It's the new mineshaft gap.

We've made some of the first kind before tho, and we had to pull back for fear of accelerating the Cold War.
If we need those then it's probably not difficult to procure them. If we want the new hotness then that's going to take a while longer.

NASA was making something called the X-43 that could fly at mach 6.8 and technically "accelerate" at mach ~11 (at least the data centered slightly above positive acceleration).  They canceled the program and now the DoD has control, no idea if they've done anything with it.  The whole idea was to make a vastly more efficient means to orbit (Scramjets have an amazing Isp).

In general, the whole thing smells of Russia drawing us down a rabbit hole, with Trump leading the charge.  There's little advantage to such things, and immense technical difficulty.  Use a slow, stealthy drone and fire a missile when it is range.  Or use a cruise missile that runs too low for RADAR.  Hypersonic is a fools errand.


I don't think this is Russia driven since they're largely irrelevant now. It's a big concern with China for sure, since we've had to reposition military assets due to the threat.
If any enemy so much as copies what the Cold War US has done then many missile defense systems in use might be vulnerable. China is known to export weapons and many nations want a means of damaging western ships.

Even if you don't use a hypersonic missile in your fleet as a counter weapon (we don't use supersonic cruise missiles, arguably a vulnerability), you should have some to test against as target drones or for research platforms.
It's not really wasted research. As you say, the technology is useful for space travel, it's also useful to create new defenses. This is development that was probably going to continue, as it has throughout the post Cold War era.

I don't think Trump knows nor cares about the specifics. The military asked for money to do R&D, he's running on military expansion, so they get the money.  He's not going to memorize the missiles name. He made some crude joke about having a super-duper missile to counter the enemies super missile.

Yes, it's stupid. What he calls it is unimportant fodder for the nut gallery.
The important takeaway is that the US is accelerating its missile game in response to the Chinese, and that global arms race is getting a lot less coverage than it should.

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2020-05-20 4:37:19 PM  

rolladuck: yet_another_wumpus: In general, the whole thing smells of Russia drawing us down a rabbit hole, with Trump leading the charge.  There's little advantage to such things, and immense technical difficulty.  Use a slow, stealthy drone and fire a missile when it is range.  Or use a cruise missile that runs too low for RADAR.  Hypersonic is a fools errand.

At worst, we should be doing some modest development work that would keep us to a position of continuously being about seven years out from being able to field a functional system given a period of intense investment. That way, we maintain a competent base of technical experts who would be required should we feel war is imminent. We don't have to start from scratch, and we also can use the fact that adversaries would be investing espionage resources to figure out what we're building to maintain a competent counter-intelligence workforce and preemptively identify and eliminate people who would sell out their country for a new car or a thinner girlfriend.


GOPniks don't even believe science is real.
WTF is Trumpin even babbling about?
Go deploy the prayer shield ya Trumpers.  Leave the hard stuff to countries that invest in STEM.
 
2020-05-20 5:11:26 PM  

Gordon Bennett: They did that in the 1950s and it had to be cancelled because the damn thing was so pants-shiattingly terrifying that it couldn't even be tested because the same maniacs who were perfectly happy to annihilate an island with a ten megaton hydrogen bomb looked at the design halfway through and concluded it was too dangerous to try.

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There was some speculation about a beast like this in the book 'Ignition!'.

And ya, sweet gibbering mother of fark...
 
2020-05-20 5:44:08 PM  
Remember, folks...Dumbfark McOrangeface doesn't talk to The People.

He talks to His People, aka Cult45...and those farking morons scare me.
 
2020-05-20 6:45:19 PM  
Can we use it on Mar-a-lago once Biden wins?
 
2020-05-20 6:49:17 PM  

the voice of raisin: yet_another_wumpus: way south: mrparks: Doesn't Iran have the Really Kickass Torpedo?

Wow, this could be Russia pulling a "Star Wars" on us, like Reagon did to them 35 years ago?

How dumb do you have to be to fall for the trick you just pulled on the other guy?


"Star Wars" wasn't all that a significant cost to the USSR.  Remember that they were still fighting in Afghanistan, now *that* was expensive.  Also it isn't like the Russians had an issues adding a few more pieces to their space program.  You know, the guys we've been hitching rides to low Earth orbit for the past 10 years or so (hopefully ending in one week, although NASA just bought another ride from them).

But it is curious that we'd launch a stupid weapons program while already bogged down in Afghanistan...
 
2020-05-20 7:08:55 PM  

yet_another_wumpus: way south: mrparks: Doesn't Iran have the Really Kickass Torpedo?

Hypersonics are vaporware, yeah? They exist only in theory. It's the new mineshaft gap.

We've made some of the first kind before tho, and we had to pull back for fear of accelerating the Cold War.
If we need those then it's probably not difficult to procure them. If we want the new hotness then that's going to take a while longer.

NASA was making something called the X-43 that could fly at mach 6.8 and technically "accelerate" at mach ~11 (at least the data centered slightly above positive acceleration).  They canceled the program and now the DoD has control, no idea if they've done anything with it.  The whole idea was to make a vastly more efficient means to orbit (Scramjets have an amazing Isp).

In general, the whole thing smells of Russia drawing us down a rabbit hole, with Trump leading the charge.  There's little advantage to such things, and immense technical difficulty.  Use a slow, stealthy drone and fire a missile when it is range.  Or use a cruise missile that runs too low for RADAR.  Hypersonic is a fools errand.


So, the US is falling for the Star Wars gambit that brought down the USSR? Nice.
 
2020-05-20 7:49:08 PM  
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We need fruiton torpedos.
 
2020-05-21 8:28:30 AM  

mrparks: Hypersonics are vaporware, yeah? They exist only in theory.


No, we've built hypersonic test vehicles.  That's not vaporware.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperso​n​ic_flight#Hypersonic_aircraft

We've had the capability to build hypersonic aircraft since the 1960's, with the X-15.

We haven't put much money into research into hypersonic cruise missiles because we didn't need to do so.  Ballistic missiles were technically easier to accomplish, as were subsonic and supersonic cruise missiles, and were good enough.   Especially the ballistic missiles.   There was essentially no defense against them.

That is, until the early 1990's, and we started getting some of the benefit of the Strategic Defense Initiative where we started to be able to intercept ballistics missiles.   SRBMs and MRBMs first, but now we can intercept the warheads of ICBMs.

The big advantage that ballistic missiles had was that you simply couldn't shoot them down.   Yeah, you could easily see them coming, but you couldn't *DO* anything about it.  Now you can.

And anti-aircraft weapons have gotten good enough to reliably intercept cruise missiles, both subsonic and supersonic.

So the second-to-last frontier here is hypersonic missiles.   They fly low enough that warning time is greatly reduced over ballistic missiles, and fast enough that by the time you detect them you've got a very short time to intercept them.   I'm not aware of any AA missile or gun system that would be an adequate defense against them.

So yeah, the threat is real, and there is a large incentive to come up with an effective and reliable hypersonic cruise missile, because for a while there won't be an effective countermeasure.
 
2020-05-21 8:46:51 AM  

way south: The important takeaway is that the US is accelerating its missile game in response to the Chinese, and that global arms race is getting a lot less coverage than it should.


Russia has served as a great distraction for the PRC recently.

People don't seem to grasp that Russia is at this point an "also ran", they've got really very little influence, no where near where they were at the peak of the Soviet Union.  Russia is only significant to the degree that people think it is significant.

China, on the other hand, is a one party state working with the goal of replacing the United States as the dominant superpower in the World.   Not just militarily, but economically and culturally.   And they're willing to play any card they can in order to do that.  Lie, cheat, and steal, and call you a racist for pointing out that the government of the PRC is doing those things.

Offshoring much of our manufacturing capability to a single country like China might make some economic sense, but from a strategic standpoint it's a *VERY* bad idea.

If we do something China doesn't like, once it has enough economic power over the United States, it can start flexing its muscle.   What if antibiotics suddenly because hard to get because China stops sending them to the US in protest to US Navy "Freedom of Navigation" patrols in the South China Sea?  Or in response to the US doing something else China doesn't like?


Think I'm offbase on the antibiotic thing?

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-count​ries/articles/2018-05-08/trumps-quest-​for-lower-drug-prices-may-provoke-chin​a-trade-war-experts-warn

China has exclusive manufacturing agreements for drugs for anesthesia, cancer and HIV/AIDS, along with other medicines that "we use every day, not only in hospitals but in our own medicine chests," Gibson says, adding that China is now the world's only source of antibiotics, including the main ingredient in vancomycin, a treatment of last resort that is used by patients who are suffering from infections that are resistant to other treatment.

You can't just shiat out a factory to make pharmaceuticals from nothing.
 
2020-05-21 6:03:56 PM  
I thought russia was our friend now, maybe they can just sell some to us
 
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