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(Politico)   Welp, if you were wondering how long Americans could stand staying at home in order to save the lives of hundreds of thousands of fellow citizens, the answer was "2 months". WE'RE BACK, BABY   (politico.com) divider line
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2020-05-20 10:24:13 AM  
30 votes:
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Maybe we're due for some Darwinism. I mean, we can't let these people continue to contaminate the gene pool, can we?
 
2020-05-20 9:53:19 AM  
30 votes:
Part of the reason is simply that people are tired of lockdown and want to go back to business as usual.

Nope. The majority were fine with it. Try again.
 
2020-05-20 10:18:22 AM  
25 votes:
So now is when the rest of us REALLY need to stay inside.
 
2020-05-20 9:17:28 AM  
24 votes:
Nothing has changed, assholes.
 
2020-05-20 10:19:49 AM  
22 votes:
We as a country simply don't have the discipline, patience, intelligence, empathy, maturity, or foresight to properly handle this.

We have no concept of tyranny or oppression. We have no concept of anything beyond our immediate and personal convenience.

God damn this sh*thole country. We are the worst.

( Do people not realize that for businesses to make money, shoppers and workers need to be healthy and not dying?? )
 
2020-05-20 9:26:56 AM  
20 votes:

Action Replay Nick: Sorry grandma, I need a haircut!


I would kill for a haircut.  But it's probably going to be a couple more weeks.  Regardless of what other people are doing, my wife and I are taking it nice and slow.

It would totally suck if we put up with two months of being stuck at home just to catch it now.
 
2020-05-20 10:25:27 AM  
17 votes:
Gonna be real weird for America in couple months when everything needs to shut down again, but every other developed nation will celebrating the success of their gradual, structured re-openings in some degree.
 
2020-05-20 10:41:54 AM  
13 votes:
We were supposed to be using this time to get testing, tracing and isolating in place but the GOP decided that would spook rich people. So it's over, it's done. They just ran out the clock. Nobody is staying inside all summer.

When the second an third waves hit, we'll just get more propaganda.
 
2020-05-20 10:50:41 AM  
12 votes:

IMACODFISH: Sure. Let's go another 2 months. The poor, who largely work jobs that require they be in a workplace can continue to take it in the fart box so professionals and investor class can live their lives uneffected. The poor can eat the weaker ones. Brilliant. We'll do that, rather than tell grandma who's retired and not going out much to stay inside until thief's a vaccine. We'll impoverish the whole planet, rather than inconvenience grandma and 45 year old who haven't done a sit-up in 20 years.


Or we could do what the rest of the modern world is doing and have the government pick up the slack for those who aren't working due to these extraordinary circumstances.

But nah.  Better we should just cut payroll taxes and OSHA regulations.  That'll get things moving again.
 
2020-05-20 10:19:12 AM  
11 votes:
Eh, we gave it a run.  We're certainly not our grandparents' generation.
 
2020-05-20 10:49:47 AM  
10 votes:

DarnoKonrad: I'd join a general strike, but it turns out I need health insurance.


And now you understand why we don't have universal health care.
 
2020-05-20 10:38:54 AM  
10 votes:

koder: Part of the reason is simply that people are tired of lockdown and want to go back to business as usual.

Nope. The majority were fine with it. Try again.


This. The people who are 'tired of it' are entitled farkstains who want poor people  to be put at risk for THEIR convenience, and/or people in astroturfed protests. Everyone else is fine with the quarantine (or at least less fine with the alternative).
 
2020-05-20 10:37:24 AM  
10 votes:

RussianPotato: I don't get why these people didn't have months worth of money saved up so they could've weathered this storm.

I mean, sure, now I don't have a rainy day fund.  Now if I need surgery I'll have to take out a loan.  If there is something else unexpected I'll be evicted and become homeless.  My retirement plans are pushed back 5 years.  And since I spent money now and inflation is going to be a biatch, I'll be poorer for the rest of my life and I won't be able to provide an increased standard of living to my children.

But dammit, we gotta keep those 100 year olds healthy!

/been a work at home farker for a year already
//times have been good for my industry
///not everyone is so lucky.


Whatever, everybody knows you job ends November 3, 2020
 
2020-05-20 9:36:19 AM  
10 votes:

BizarreMan: I would kill for a haircut.


I mean, you can get a haircut, just not a professional one.  My wife did pretty well for a first try.  Definitely not the best haircut I've ever had, but it is not bad at all.  And that was the first time she'd ever cut hair.  It seems like it's something that most people should be able to figure out.
 
2020-05-20 10:32:03 AM  
9 votes:

Alphax: 'Well, you can't make people stay in forever.'

Right, because asking other people to live like I already do is true cruelty..


I read this in March, and it stuck with me.  I thought this guy was being a Debbie Downer.  I now think he was right:   https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/i​ta​ly-hermit-coronavirus/index.html

"I read a lot, and think. I think many people are scared of reading because if they do, they'll start meditating and thinking about stuff, and that can be dangerous.
"If you start seeing things under a different light and be critical, you could end up seeing what a miserable life you lead or what a bad person you are or the bad things you did."
This introspection can, he says, ultimately be highly rewarding. Morandi recounts his own transformation from an inveterate wanderer who traveled across Europe each year to a solitary islander.
"I just didn't feel like traveling anymore -- no interest," he says. "I understood that the most beautiful, dangerous, adventurous and gratifying journeys of all is the one inside yourself, whether you're sitting in the living room or under a canopy here in Budelli. That's why staying at home and doing nothing can be really hard for many."
But, he adds: "I never feel alone."
In Morandi's view, most people don't want to be alone because they can't stand their own company and the imposed shutdown is forcing many to face this.
And, he says, while the current crisis presents an opportunity to re-evaluate their lives, he doesn't think that many will make the most of it.
"I don't believe in the healing power of people to change," he says. "Perhaps some individuals will, but the majority are too accustomed to comforts and frenetic lifestyles."
 
2020-05-20 10:27:38 AM  
9 votes:

karnal: Dim Rallying Cry:  Tank the Economy - Blame Trump!


Dipshiat rallying cry: Kill Americans - Hail Trump!
 
2020-05-20 10:19:23 AM  
9 votes:

Nabb1: BizarreMan: Action Replay Nick: Sorry grandma, I need a haircut!

I would kill for a haircut.  But it's probably going to be a couple more weeks.  Regardless of what other people are doing, my wife and I are taking it nice and slow.

It would totally suck if we put up with two months of being stuck at home just to catch it now.

I've been getting my haircut by the same person for almost 20 years.  She broke off from where she worked and opened her own place about six years ago and she is really anxious to get her place going again.  I told her to call me as soon as she was open and I'll come in.  She said she's setting things up to be as cautious as possible and unfortunately won't be serving complimentary whiskey for a while.  My wife's a physician and we're taking precautions, not leaving or going anywhere unless we really need to.


If this were true then you wouldn't be going to get a haircut.
 
2020-05-20 10:19:04 AM  
9 votes:

Mugato: Nothing has changed, assholes.


Yes it has. Now they are tired of doing the right thing.
 
2020-05-20 9:21:31 AM  
9 votes:
Sorry grandma, I need a haircut!
 
2020-05-20 10:32:38 AM  
8 votes:

RussianPotato: I don't get why these people didn't have months worth of money saved up so they could've weathered this storm.

I mean, sure, now I don't have a rainy day fund.  Now if I need surgery I'll have to take out a loan.  If there is something else unexpected I'll be evicted and become homeless.  My retirement plans are pushed back 5 years.  And since I spent money now and inflation is going to be a biatch, I'll be poorer for the rest of my life and I won't be able to provide an increased standard of living to my children.

But dammit, we gotta keep those 100 year olds healthy!


I'm a cynical leftist, but even I didn't think the apotheosis of wage stagnation over the last half century would be "Our parents and grandparents are acceptable losses because we aren't paid enough to save money and our social safety net has been shredded."
 
2020-05-20 10:23:16 AM  
8 votes:
And again, we had to sneak our testing materials past the President's stepson and his teams of goons in order to keep it.

Many f*ck yous, Trumpers.
 
2020-05-20 10:30:00 AM  
7 votes:
It might have helped if a coherent plan had been put together on a National level, and that local leaders who tried to lead weren't drowned out by a moron.
 
2020-05-20 10:23:02 AM  
7 votes:
Yesterday just before about 5 PM I was driving down the main drag in my city which is normally something I would desperately avoid because it turns a 10-15 minute trip into an hour. But it was smooth sailing. I was hungry and so passing by lots of places that, in better times, I might have stopped in for a bite or stopped in for some take out hit me because most of them were closed. The waves of frustration did really hit.

Why was I going out? Well I need to pick up a spark tester to diagnose what was wrong with my lawnmower. The grass still grows. I'm not going to buy a new mower just because this one won't start. And if I took it somewhere for someone else to fix, that's two more weeks.

No, I don't think we should just say fark it, let's all go back to normal, but I do get the frustration people feel. It isn't easy. And I really want to go and take my grandkids out to fly a kite and run around in a playground. But if we can just behave a bit longer, we might get new infections down to a rate where contact tracing can work. Please. That's really the trigger to me. Have contact tracing going so we can intelligently open and close things before things bloom.
 
2020-05-20 12:17:43 PM  
6 votes:

IMACODFISH: Sure. Let's go another 2 months. The poor, who largely work jobs that require they be in a workplace can continue to take it in the fart box so professionals and investor class can live their lives uneffected. The poor can eat the weaker ones. Brilliant. We'll do that, rather than tell grandma who's retired and not going out much to stay inside until thief's a vaccine. We'll impoverish the whole planet, rather than inconvenience grandma and 45 year old who haven't done a sit-up in 20 years.


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2020-05-20 11:00:17 AM  
6 votes:

IMACODFISH: Sure. Let's go another 2 months. The poor, who largely work jobs that require they be in a workplace can continue to take it in the fart box so professionals and investor class can live their lives uneffected. The poor can eat the weaker ones. Brilliant. We'll do that, rather than tell grandma who's retired and not going out much to stay inside until thief's a vaccine. We'll impoverish the whole planet, rather than inconvenience grandma and 45 year old who haven't done a sit-up in 20 years.


I assume that you're a native English speaker, but a lot of people will assume you aren't based on this.
 
2020-05-20 10:54:30 AM  
6 votes:

IMACODFISH: Sure. Let's go another 2 months. The poor, who largely work jobs that require they be in a workplace can continue to take it in the fart box so professionals and investor class can live their lives uneffected. The poor can eat the weaker ones. Brilliant. We'll do that, rather than tell grandma who's retired and not going out much to stay inside until thief's a vaccine. We'll impoverish the whole planet, rather than inconvenience grandma and 45 year old who haven't done a sit-up in 20 years.


Yes, let's work the poors to death. We can always make more poor people. *eyes middle class greedily*
 
2020-05-20 10:40:05 AM  
6 votes:
If this was an emergency that rock folks could make money from, like a war, we would be in it for the long haul.  But the way to win this fight is to spend public money and support regular people with government funds.  That is a line to far for republicans. They would rather people die than admit that government has the capacity to help people.  America is strong, as long as it doesn't inconvenience the rich and powerful or reveal things that the rich and powerful don't want people to realize.  Lots of people will die because some people think the sole purpose of government should be to help rich people get richer
 
2020-05-20 12:46:10 PM  
5 votes:

mod3072: Comply. Obey. Never question. Big brother knows what is best.


Wear a mask, keep your distance, and don't endanger people around you because you're a spiteful child. It's not farking hard. Since that very clearly can't be guaranteed on a very large level without stay at home orders and lockdowns, we need to keep going with that until the pandemic gets under control. More Americans have died from this than died in the Vietnam war, just over the last few months. This is a major farking problem and it's still a major problem we need to deal with on a large, comprehensive level.

None of your childish "But muh freedoms and the economy!" bullshiat will change that, or the simple fact that you're demanding cold calculus of trading lives for economic activity. And that's a fact you need to morally face on your own.,
 
2020-05-20 10:54:05 AM  
5 votes:
If this lockdown meant we could not even leave our homes for any reason, I would understand

If this lockdown meant we would be indoors for years and not a couple months, I would understand

But I really can not understand all the childish whining. I can once again drive during rush hour and actually drive the speed limit and not 10MPH. I save $$$ not having to drive everyday, not having to buy lunch every day. So what if my Amazon Prime order comes slower instead of 2 days, nothing I order was of truly serious consequence to life. So I have to wear a hat when I go out because my hair is an overgrown mess, that is great because I spend less time worrying about silly crap and just grab a hat and go. Big deal I need to wear a mask going into the store, I am not so self-delusional to think that everyone is missing my pretty smile. This has been a wonderful relaxing time for me personally.

As if Trump did not already destroy the Evangelicals morality, their obsession with willing to create more deaths in support of this tyrant surely should be the final coffin in the nail. I would expect the right to life people leading the charge to do whatever means necessary to save life.
 
2020-05-20 10:23:41 AM  
5 votes:
I've posted this before. It's a Tableau sheet of the Pandemic I put together from NY Times data started. The previous high was on April 10th.

https://public.tableau.com/profile/er​b​ieber7480#!/vizhome/CovidUS-FromNYT/Da​shboard2?publish=yes

I've focused on the South to start, but anyone can pick whatever states they want to look at.

(Note: I've heard about data concerns from Georgia and Florida. I only use the data provided so I can't confirm the Georgia data)
 
2020-05-20 9:32:47 AM  
5 votes:

BizarreMan: Action Replay Nick: Sorry grandma, I need a haircut!

I would kill for a haircut.  But it's probably going to be a couple more weeks.  Regardless of what other people are doing, my wife and I are taking it nice and slow.

It would totally suck if we put up with two months of being stuck at home just to catch it now.


Yeah, I'm wait-and-see myself on going anywhere out in the general public as well. My kids are going back to daycare Tuesday though, it's a licensed home deal and there are only 2 other families, and everyone takes not catching/spreading disease seriously even pre-pandemic. I know there's a risk but my kids are 3 and 2 and I know my wife and I are not able to give them all the mental engagement they really need due to also having to work. The first month my wife was doing several hours of learning every day with them, but it's had to taper off to about twice a week now due to her workload. I'm just writing the past month off as an early glimpse for them at how boring summer breaks are going to be when they get a little older.
 
2020-05-20 12:31:23 PM  
4 votes:

Mouser: It's easy to be fine with the quarantine when you know the poors are out there risking the virus so that you can still get groceries, take-out food, and shopping from your computer.


Part of the transaction is the rest of us staying home. Restaurants that only offer take-out and delivery have far less risk. Grocery stores that enforce masks and social distancing have far less risk. The measures we're taking protect both us and them by virtue of there being fewer people in any place at any time, when right-wing assholes who think it's a conspiracy aren't shiatting on the people who are wearing masks and following directions.

Meanwhile, these people out there working, and people out there who have lost their jobs, should be getting more support from the government in these times. Instead of trillions simply being pushed out to businesses while everyone else gets single up-to-$1,200 checks, we need a comprehensive plan that expands the safety net and better supports everyone involved, including and especially the people who are out there working.

And don't pretend you actually farking care about them, beyond their usefulness as a way to wring your hands about the current measures.
 
2020-05-20 11:41:02 AM  
4 votes:
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2020-05-20 11:22:45 AM  
4 votes:
Well, thank god the GOP turned a farking pandemic into a partisan politics because that's exactly what this country needs right now. They could have worked with Democrats to get adequate testing performed, or a host of other issues that need to be addressed before opening, but no. They decided that what America needs right now is complete opposition to expert advice and more partisanship.
 
2020-05-20 11:03:19 AM  
4 votes:

IMACODFISH: Sure. Let's go another 2 months. The poor, who largely work jobs that require they be in a workplace can continue to take it in the fart box so professionals and investor class can live their lives uneffected. The poor can eat the weaker ones. Brilliant. We'll do that, rather than tell grandma who's retired and not going out much to stay inside until thief's a vaccine. We'll impoverish the whole planet, rather than inconvenience grandma and 45 year old who haven't done a sit-up in 20 years.


Go outside, or at least to a really really crowded place. Us libs will just cower inside while you're big the big brave boy proving us all wrong
 
2020-05-20 11:02:55 AM  
4 votes:

born_yesterday: Snapper Carr: IMACODFISH: Sure. Let's go another 2 months. The poor, who largely work jobs that require they be in a workplace can continue to take it in the fart box so professionals and investor class can live their lives uneffected. The poor can eat the weaker ones. Brilliant. We'll do that, rather than tell grandma who's retired and not going out much to stay inside until thief's a vaccine. We'll impoverish the whole planet, rather than inconvenience grandma and 45 year old who haven't done a sit-up in 20 years.

Or we could do what the rest of the modern world is doing and have the government pick up the slack for those who aren't working due to these extraordinary circumstances.

But nah.  Better we should just cut payroll taxes and OSHA regulations.  That'll get things moving again.

Binary thinking is fascinating and a bit scary to see in the wild, isn't it?

ALL OPEN NOW OR ALL POORS DIE AT HOME!!!



False dilemma is one of those logical fallacies that shows up a lot in political discussions.  It's rampant on the poltab
 
2020-05-20 10:59:10 AM  
4 votes:

Snapper Carr: IMACODFISH: Sure. Let's go another 2 months. The poor, who largely work jobs that require they be in a workplace can continue to take it in the fart box so professionals and investor class can live their lives uneffected. The poor can eat the weaker ones. Brilliant. We'll do that, rather than tell grandma who's retired and not going out much to stay inside until thief's a vaccine. We'll impoverish the whole planet, rather than inconvenience grandma and 45 year old who haven't done a sit-up in 20 years.

Or we could do what the rest of the modern world is doing and have the government pick up the slack for those who aren't working due to these extraordinary circumstances.

But nah.  Better we should just cut payroll taxes and OSHA regulations.  That'll get things moving again.


Binary thinking is fascinating and a bit scary to see in the wild, isn't it?

ALL OPEN NOW OR ALL POORS DIE AT HOME!!!
 
2020-05-20 10:53:07 AM  
4 votes:
The message got through to most people, and the smart ones will continue to take basic precautions to keep themselves and their families safer. The US as a whole doesn't have the patience or willpower to minimize deaths, so the best we can do is focus them into the groups volunteering - begging, really - to spearhead the reopening.

Yes, innocents will die, but honestly a mix of 80% republicans & 20% educated citizens is better for the country in the long run, compared to a more random distribution.

Now, let's get those trump rallies back on track. Catch up for lost time!
 
2020-05-20 10:22:22 AM  
4 votes:

brainlordmesomorph: So now is when the rest of us REALLY need to stay inside.


Well, for me it's easy - I'm retired, and don't need to earn a living, so my number one useful task seems to me to be staying out of the way of those who don't have that luxury indefinitely.
If I don't get sick, or injured, or in any kind of trouble, no one has to take care of me.
No disease ever hits a 100% infection rate, or anything close - millions of Americans will never get this disease, and I intend to be one of them.
 
2020-05-20 11:38:15 AM  
3 votes:

Geotpf: gilgigamesh: Masakyst: Gonna be real weird for America in couple months when everything needs to shut down again, but every other developed nation will celebrating the success of their gradual, structured re-openings in some degree.

We already have the most cases by far.  We aren't even going to get a respite of a little normalcy before we have to slam the door shut again.

Somehow, 40% of the public will still blame China.

No matter what, the Chinese government certainly deserves a whole heck of a lot of blame here.

Under either theory of how the virus started (wet market or escaped from their lab), they farked up (they should have banned the sort of out of control wet market that was in Wuhan; they knew it; their scientists knew it; everybody knew it).

Then, in the initial days of the outbreak in Wuhan, they played Iraqi Information Minister with a lot of "nothing to see here" bullshiat, even criminally charging the first doctor to publicly report the virus with "spreading misinformation".

Eventually, they got their act together, but that was a "barn door after the horse was already out" situation.



Sure, but that was then and this is now. What happened in "the initial days" is done, it's ancient history, it's not helping anybody move forward. What are countries doing now to get things under control and re-open?

Over the next few months you'll be hearing a lot about Canadians and Europeans and others getting back to almost-normal. Beaches, shopping, etc, in relative safety because of the steps they've been taking since January. But Americans will be stuck under lockdown again, next time probably even longer and more strict than the first round. Hearkening back to what China did in "the initial days" won't help you dig out of that hole.
 
2020-05-20 11:21:25 AM  
3 votes:

Rapmaster2000: NPC_SLAYER: What percent is the recovery rate. 99.7?.

Based on the NYC morbidity and antibody numbers, probably 99.34%.  So the odds are that you'll only get really, really sick, but you won't die.  We likely need 70% to 90% to get infected for society to reach herd immunity.  I fully support you getting sick for me.


We do not want enough people to get infected to get to herd immunity.  Let's use your lowest numbers.

Population of US: 330 million x 70% x fatality rate of 0.66% = 1.524 million dead in the US alone.  And that's a low estimate; a high estimate could be double that or more.
 
2020-05-20 11:03:02 AM  
3 votes:

NPC_SLAYER: What percent is the recovery rate. 99.7?.


Based on the NYC morbidity and antibody numbers, probably 99.34%.  So the odds are that you'll only get really, really sick, but you won't die.  We likely need 70% to 90% to get infected for society to reach herd immunity.  I fully support you getting sick for me.
 
2020-05-20 10:57:47 AM  
3 votes:

bluejeansonfire: We as a country simply don't have the discipline, patience, intelligence, empathy, maturity, or foresight to properly handle this.


Maybe I'm getting too cynical in regards to be fellow countrymen, but I think it was obvious from the start that these shut downs were never going to last as long as they needed to. We should have viewed them as stop gaps only and used that time to build up our stock of medical supplies and cross train medical staff.
 
2020-05-20 10:39:34 AM  
3 votes:

born_yesterday: MD opened up a week ago...and had the highest spike in cases already.  Thank God our red Governor is acting like a blue one.  We have better testing than many, because we snuck the materials past Jared, and hopefully our hospitals will be able to handle it.


Montgomery County's County Executive Marc Elrich extended the stay-at-home order for the county indefinitely, until the CDC's criteria for opening are met:

A consistent decline over a 14-day period in new cases as more testing is conducted
A sustained decrease in the number of daily deaths
A downward trend in hospitalizations rates (and ICU beds in use)
A sustained decrease in the number of COVID-19 patients going to the ER

We'll still have increased exposure from idiots coming from other counties and Virginia, but it's something.

I, too, am impressed with our Red Governor. He's actually doing a pretty good job.
 
2020-05-20 10:38:33 AM  
3 votes:

RussianPotato: I don't get why these people didn't have months worth of money saved up so they could've weathered this storm.

I mean, sure, now I don't have a rainy day fund.  Now if I need surgery I'll have to take out a loan.  If there is something else unexpected I'll be evicted and become homeless.  My retirement plans are pushed back 5 years.  And since I spent money now and inflation is going to be a biatch, I'll be poorer for the rest of my life and I won't be able to provide an increased standard of living to my children.

But dammit, we gotta keep those 100 year olds healthy!

/been a work at home farker for a year already
//times have been good for my industry
///not everyone is so lucky.


A ton of Americans barely pay all the bills on time in good times.
 
2020-05-20 10:33:28 AM  
3 votes:

Rapmaster2000: It turns out that people are actually reluctant to get sick and die.  Who could have foreseen that!?
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But I fully support you going to Applebee's.  Hurry up and get sick for my herd immunity.


That includes pick up orders, which I think are safer than the Doordash Instacart etc. drivers who are going to every store in town.  Give me the employees only working in one building.
 
2020-05-20 10:31:40 AM  
3 votes:
This is first degree hurrdurr.
 
2020-05-20 10:27:30 AM  
3 votes:
It turns out that people are actually reluctant to get sick and die.  Who could have foreseen that!?
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But I fully support you going to Applebee's.  Hurry up and get sick for my herd immunity.
 
2020-05-20 10:26:32 AM  
3 votes:
I wonder if the people who are aching to go out don't do their own lawns and gardening and cleaning. I use enough energy doing all of these things to stay sane. And I have a small house and lawn/garden.

We added a fish and started some seedlings and this was enough added responsibility to keep us busy.

I miss work, but I'm at an acceptance point in my life where I'm okay being safe and inside.
 
2020-05-20 10:26:12 AM  
3 votes:
'Well, you can't make people stay in forever.'

Right, because asking other people to live like I already do is true cruelty..
 
2020-05-20 10:19:58 AM  
3 votes:
Incorrect. Many Americans were protesting about two minutes after the stay-at-home orders went into effect.
 
2020-05-20 12:42:33 PM  
2 votes:
Comply. Obey. Never question. Big brother knows what is best. Liberal politicians and the media have divined the One True Answer, and to question it even slightly is heresy of the highest order and must be punished swiftly and severely! For real, you guys are getting seriously creepy with this Orwellian shiat. NYC went into full lockdown and has had almost 16,000 deaths and they were practically piling bodies in the street, but the media hasn't stopped sucking Cuomo's cock for months over his terrific response because he followed the script. South Dakota never issued a stay/shelter-at-home order and mostly stayed open for business, and we've been relentlessly mocked and ridiculed for it. So far we've had a staggering 46 deaths. It's almost as though sticking to The Script at all costs is far more important than anything else. Outcomes don't matter, all that matters is religious adherence to The Rules. And yeah, NY has a lot more people. That's kind of the point. A "one-size-fits-all" approach might not be the best answer.

Everyone (well, almost everyone) here acts like anyone who is beginning to question our dramatic reaponse to this virus and the devastating effects it has had on our economy are just greedy, entitled idiots who would rather shoot grandma in the face than go without a haircut or a day at the beach for a couple of months, because that's what you have been told. That's the Narrative. It's not about people wanting to go back to work to support their families. It's not about small business owners desperately trying to save something they spent their entire life building. It's not about crops and livestock being destroyed because of disruptions inbthe supply chain and collapsing markets. It's all about selfishness and haircuts. If we can reduce it to that, we can continue to force compliance through guilt and shame and ridicule. And y'all eat it up and parrot it back and forth all day everyday until it becomes Truth. This place becomes more of a cult every day. There are millions of real people all over this country watching desperately as everything they have worked for their entire lives is slipping away due not to a virus, but to our response to it. And if they question that response even slightly, you people go apeshiat. I'm not saying that we shouldn't be taking this seriously. I'm not saying that there aren't selfish idiots out there doing stupid things. But there is a lot more to all of this that most of you are unable or unwilling to acknowledge. It's easy to sit at home and continue to draw a paycheck and ridicule those who are not content to just sit back and watch while they lose everything. Not everyone can work from home and "sacrifice" by not going to the club and ordering delivery instead of eating out. As long as your sacrifice is limited to inconvenience and mild discomfort, then everyone else should happily sacrifice everything without complaint! And you call others selfish. Very, very typical for Fark 2020.

We CAN take measures to protect the most vulnerable members of our population without burning down our entire economy, but to even suggest such a thing in some parts is exactly the same as locking all the doors and fire bombing a nursing home.
 
2020-05-20 11:38:06 AM  
2 votes:

Geotpf: Rapmaster2000: NPC_SLAYER: What percent is the recovery rate. 99.7?.

Based on the NYC morbidity and antibody numbers, probably 99.34%.  So the odds are that you'll only get really, really sick, but you won't die.  We likely need 70% to 90% to get infected for society to reach herd immunity.  I fully support you getting sick for me.

We do not want enough people to get infected to get to herd immunity.  Let's use your lowest numbers.

Population of US: 330 million x 70% x fatality rate of 0.66% = 1.524 million dead in the US alone.  And that's a low estimate; a high estimate could be double that or more.


I fully agree with you.  I've made the same calculation that you have.  Some friends of mine had it.  They said it was terrible.  It was the flu times 100.  I don't want this to happen.

The problem we have is that the Branch Covidians have locked us in the compound with them.  They are willing to die for the leader.  I don't know how to stop this.  I think it's just going to happen.  The Branch Covidians are willing to do it.  People at Jonestown who loved their children gave them the cyanide that killed them.  Welcome to Jonestown.
 
2020-05-20 11:29:50 AM  
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karnal: Dim Rallying Cry:  Tank the Economy - Blame Trump!


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2020-05-20 11:16:26 AM  
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Snapper Carr: NPC_SLAYER: What percent is the recovery rate. 99.7?.


More like 93% although in the US it appears to be much lower.


It appears the fatality rate is about 1%, so about 99% recover.  Note that "recover" doesn't mean without long term damage; for example seemingly permanent lung problems, or limb amputations due to blood clots.
 
2020-05-20 11:07:21 AM  
2 votes:
Has anyone interviewed Death and how it feels about all of the extra overtime?
 
2020-05-20 11:02:48 AM  
2 votes:

NPC_SLAYER: What percent is the recovery rate. 99.7?.


Nope, try again 4chan Boy.
 
2020-05-20 11:01:11 AM  
2 votes:

NPC_SLAYER: What percent is the recovery rate. 99.7?.


What are you doing inside? Go outside and prove how stupid all the NPCs are by letting an ER doctor cough on you
 
2020-05-20 10:47:11 AM  
2 votes:
Crowds from around the country arrived at Yellowstone's opening Monday and "not a mask in sight."
https://www.theguardian.com/environme​n​t/2020/may/19/yellowstone-coronavirus-​reopening-grand-teton-covid-19?fbclid=​IwAR1ARL3DWlG9Mkl0PhfHNz241r6INu27Wdvx​ZLpvDy222jEsgMM12zcABQQ
No word if they're also petting bison.
 
2020-05-20 10:45:59 AM  
2 votes:
Sure. Let's go another 2 months. The poor, who largely work jobs that require they be in a workplace can continue to take it in the fart box so professionals and investor class can live their lives uneffected. The poor can eat the weaker ones. Brilliant. We'll do that, rather than tell grandma who's retired and not going out much to stay inside until thief's a vaccine. We'll impoverish the whole planet, rather than inconvenience grandma and 45 year old who haven't done a sit-up in 20 years.
 
2020-05-20 10:41:51 AM  
2 votes:
I'd join a general strike, but it turns out I need health insurance.
 
2020-05-20 10:41:15 AM  
2 votes:

PluckYew: RussianPotato: I don't get why these people didn't have months worth of money saved up so they could've weathered this storm.

I mean, sure, now I don't have a rainy day fund.  Now if I need surgery I'll have to take out a loan.  If there is something else unexpected I'll be evicted and become homeless.  My retirement plans are pushed back 5 years.  And since I spent money now and inflation is going to be a biatch, I'll be poorer for the rest of my life and I won't be able to provide an increased standard of living to my children.

But dammit, we gotta keep those 100 year olds healthy!

/been a work at home farker for a year already
//times have been good for my industry
///not everyone is so lucky.

Whatever, everybody knows you job ends November 3, 2020


You would think he would realize the bot farms stop paying on Election Day.  Until then, I'm sure he's on track to have his best year ever.
 
2020-05-20 10:34:04 AM  
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karnal: Dim Rallying Cry:  Tank the Economy - Blame Trump!


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2020-05-20 10:28:40 AM  
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I don't get why these people didn't have months worth of money saved up so they could've weathered this storm.

I mean, sure, now I don't have a rainy day fund.  Now if I need surgery I'll have to take out a loan.  If there is something else unexpected I'll be evicted and become homeless.  My retirement plans are pushed back 5 years.  And since I spent money now and inflation is going to be a biatch, I'll be poorer for the rest of my life and I won't be able to provide an increased standard of living to my children.

But dammit, we gotta keep those 100 year olds healthy!

/been a work at home farker for a year already
//times have been good for my industry
///not everyone is so lucky.
 
2020-05-20 10:26:23 AM  
2 votes:

Action Replay Nick: BizarreMan: Action Replay Nick: Sorry grandma, I need a haircut!

I would kill for a haircut.  But it's probably going to be a couple more weeks.  Regardless of what other people are doing, my wife and I are taking it nice and slow.

It would totally suck if we put up with two months of being stuck at home just to catch it now.

Yeah, I'm wait-and-see myself on going anywhere out in the general public as well. My kids are going back to daycare Tuesday though, it's a licensed home deal and there are only 2 other families, and everyone takes not catching/spreading disease seriously even pre-pandemic. I know there's a risk but my kids are 3 and 2 and I know my wife and I are not able to give them all the mental engagement they really need due to also having to work. The first month my wife was doing several hours of learning every day with them, but it's had to taper off to about twice a week now due to her workload. I'm just writing the past month off as an early glimpse for them at how boring summer breaks are going to be when they get a little older.


We are in a similar boat, the wife and I have been able to work from home.  She's been travelling to her parents every other week so the TV isn't the sole babysitter for our 3 and 1 yr old. Once they go back to daycare (we're putting it off as long as feasible) we're pretty much guaranteed to be exposed. My main hope is that they have reliable antibody tests available at that time so we know can know if we were asymptomatic carriers at some point.
 
2020-05-20 10:24:44 AM  
2 votes:
It doesn't help that President Tide Pod continues to downplay the dangers and whine about needing to reopen.


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2020-05-21 4:46:12 AM  
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And nobody here ever addressed my central point laid out in the first paragraph. I wonder why?

The people in a cult never think that they're in a cult. This place is the online version of Jonestown.
 
2020-05-20 10:14:48 PM  
1 vote:

Rapmaster2000: NPC_SLAYER: What percent is the recovery rate. 99.7?.

Based on the NYC morbidity and antibody numbers, probably 99.34%.  So the odds are that you'll only get really, really sick, but you won't die.  We likely need 70% to 90% to get infected for society to reach herd immunity.  I fully support you getting sick for me.


That's a highly specific recovery rate. Where are you getting that? Playing with the data I assumed 25% of the NYC population had it and closer to 1% death rate. That was using may 14th covid data and a couple of years old demographic data. So I'm working on an imprecise dataset and would very much appreciate more specific data.
 
2020-05-20 6:35:44 PM  
1 vote:

Bloody William: gretzkyscores: mod3072: We CAN take measures to protect the most vulnerable members of our population without burning down our entire economy

That's simple and reasonable. The problem is that it doesn't allow legions of Fark liberals to feel morally superior as they endlessly scold, bully, and wag their fingers endlessly in the faces of the vulgar proletariat MAGA masses who won't just roll over and wait for Uncle Sugar Wet Nurse to hand them a UBI.

Bloody William: Wear a mask, keep your distance, and don't endanger people around you because you're a spiteful child. It's not farking hard. Since that very clearly can't be guaranteed on a very large level without stay at home orders and lockdowns, we need to keep going with that until the pandemic gets under control. More Americans have died from this than died in the Vietnam war, just over the last few months. This is a major farking problem and it's still a major problem we need to deal with on a large, comprehensive level.

None of your childish "But muh freedoms and the economy!" bullshiat will change that, or the simple fact that you're demanding cold calculus of trading lives for economic activity. And that's a fact you need to morally face on your own.,

Face the morality of the calculus you're demanding. Instead of the government serving as a support through these unique and very difficult times (the economy's taking a huge hit whether or not there's a lockdown, welcome to pandemicville), we're arguing about simply accepting throwing bodies into the grinder to keep the economy chugging at any cost.


Not everything in life is a simple binary choice. It doesn't have to be all or none. And get off your high farking moral horse, you hypocrite. What are you giving up? Leaving mom's basement slightly less often than before? You're sacrificing nothing and telling others they must give up everything, and if they don't just sit back and watch as their entire life's work is destroyed, they are immoral monsters who put money above lives. I'm not talking about hedge fund billionaires, but just regular people who are losing everything. It's not as simplistic as you want to make it. I don't know if you are intellectually incapable of grasping that, or if you are just so brainwashed by the cultish adherence to "the rules" being pushed by the media and social media that you refuse to even think for yourself anymore. Nobody is saying we should start throwing infected corpses into nursing homes and let the strong survive. I'm not saying throw caution to the wind and get everything back to the way it was before immediately. There can be a balance. We can open large parts of the economy and still practice social distancing. We can still take precautions. The supermarkets and Wal Marts and Home Depots have been open and packed full for the entire epidemic, but if we start allowing people to get a haircut we're all gonna die? Not that I really care about haircuts, but the people whose livelihoods depend on them probably do. And you can fark off with your "moral calculus" bullshiat too. We do it all of the time. Millions die every year in car accidents. If we wanted to be 100% safe from that, we could just ban automobiles. Since that is clearly idiotic, we choose instead to mitigate that risk through safety features, speed limits, traffic laws, etc. Owning a car doesn't make you a bloodthirsty monster hell-bent on murdering innocents, it makes you someone who wants to be able to get your ass to work and the grocery store. And there are a million other examples. Life is inherently risky. Rational people do what they can within reason to mitigate those risks, and then carry on with life. We should do what we can to protect those most at risk, but we can't just all cower in our homes for the next year.
 
2020-05-20 4:19:11 PM  
1 vote:

Mouser: born_yesterday: Bloody William: Mouser: It's easy to be fine with the quarantine when you know the poors are out there risking the virus so that you can still get groceries, take-out food, and shopping from your computer.

Part of the transaction is the rest of us staying home. Restaurants that only offer take-out and delivery have far less risk. Grocery stores that enforce masks and social distancing have far less risk. The measures we're taking protect both us and them by virtue of there being fewer people in any place at any time, when right-wing assholes who think it's a conspiracy aren't shiatting on the people who are wearing masks and following directions.

Meanwhile, these people out there working, and people out there who have lost their jobs, should be getting more support from the government in these times. Instead of trillions simply being pushed out to businesses while everyone else gets single up-to-$1,200 checks, we need a comprehensive plan that expands the safety net and better supports everyone involved, including and especially the people who are out there working.

And don't pretend you actually farking care about them, beyond their usefulness as a way to wring your hands about the current measures.

Yeaj, the most offensive part is the pretending that they actually give a shiat.

It's good that you're here to tell everyone else what's on my mind.  Saves me a lot of time and effort.


It is bullshiat though.  It's like the people who invoke "WHAT ABOUT HOMELESS VETERANS!?" when the prospect of paying for any social project comes up.
 
2020-05-20 3:12:56 PM  
1 vote:
"Part of the reason is simply that people are tired of lockdown and want to go back to business as usual."

"Business as usual" is how this country got 1.56 million people sick and almost 93,000 people (so far) f'king dead. When you put your hand on a hot stove and burn the f'k out of it, it's guaranteed that when you put your other hand on it you'll burn the shat out of that one too. Same action gets the same results... then again while most of us learn the first time, there are some who don't.

But of course these morons want "business as usual"... because they're morons.
Y'all have fun with that. My "business as usual" includes doing all I can to stay the f'k away from you.
 
2020-05-20 1:38:04 PM  
1 vote:

Bloody William: Mouser: It's easy to be fine with the quarantine when you know the poors are out there risking the virus so that you can still get groceries, take-out food, and shopping from your computer.

Part of the transaction is the rest of us staying home. Restaurants that only offer take-out and delivery have far less risk. Grocery stores that enforce masks and social distancing have far less risk. The measures we're taking protect both us and them by virtue of there being fewer people in any place at any time, when right-wing assholes who think it's a conspiracy aren't shiatting on the people who are wearing masks and following directions.

Meanwhile, these people out there working, and people out there who have lost their jobs, should be getting more support from the government in these times. Instead of trillions simply being pushed out to businesses while everyone else gets single up-to-$1,200 checks, we need a comprehensive plan that expands the safety net and better supports everyone involved, including and especially the people who are out there working.

And don't pretend you actually farking care about them, beyond their usefulness as a way to wring your hands about the current measures.


Yeaj, the most offensive part is the pretending that they actually give a shiat.
 
2020-05-20 12:56:05 PM  
1 vote:

mod3072: We CAN take measures to protect the most vulnerable members of our population without burning down our entire economy


That's simple and reasonable. The problem is that it doesn't allow legions of Fark liberals to feel morally superior as they endlessly scold, bully, and wag their fingers endlessly in the faces of the vulgar proletariat MAGA masses who won't just roll over and wait for Uncle Sugar Wet Nurse to hand them a UBI.
 
2020-05-20 12:47:38 PM  
1 vote:
The nation never really shut down to begin with.
 
2020-05-20 12:18:31 PM  
1 vote:

LordJiro: koder: Part of the reason is simply that people are tired of lockdown and want to go back to business as usual.

Nope. The majority were fine with it. Try again.

This. The people who are 'tired of it' are entitled farkstains who want poor people  to be put at risk for THEIR convenience, and/or people in astroturfed protests. Everyone else is fine with the quarantine (or at least less fine with the alternative).


It's easy to be fine with the quarantine when you know the poors are out there risking the virus so that you can still get groceries, take-out food, and shopping from your computer.
 
2020-05-20 11:41:21 AM  
1 vote:

Snapper Carr: Geotpf: Snapper Carr: NPC_SLAYER: What percent is the recovery rate. 99.7?.


More like 93% although in the US it appears to be much lower.

It appears the fatality rate is about 1%, so about 99% recover.  Note that "recover" doesn't mean without long term damage; for example seemingly permanent lung problems, or limb amputations due to blood clots.

Are you calculating deaths as a percentage of total cases or deaths from resolved cases?

The first would give you an incorrect number since the vast majority of those cases haven't been resolved.


Deaths
325,679
Recovered:
1,980,306

D+R=RC

RS= 2305985

R/RS = recovery rate

Plug the numbers in and you get .858 which is rounded up to 86% recovery rate.


I think it's more useful to use antibody results.  It appears many people remain asymptomatic.   Kevin Durant, George Stephanopoulous, and Idris Elba never got sick.  They just carried it.
 
2020-05-20 11:37:28 AM  
1 vote:

bluejeansonfire: We have no concept of tyranny or oppression. We have no concept of anything beyond our immediate and personal convenience.


Typing while white.
 
2020-05-20 11:06:31 AM  
1 vote:
Americans can stand it just fine.

(I'm calling plague spreader flu klux klan shiatheels anti american shiatfarkers, fark your feelings)
 
2020-05-20 10:53:10 AM  
1 vote:
Maybe you are, subby. I'm staying home.

My wife and I grew up poor, on opposite sides of the country. We're comfortable living without - hell, we live pretty damned frugally as it is - and our friends understand what this all means, so there's little fear of social concern. We ping them every week or so, they ping us every week or so, to make sure everyone's OK and to swap a bit of fun. It's comfortable. (Last week, my wife & her siblings baked bread "pictures" and compared them for fun - my wife made a snail among breadstick "grass.")

I'll not jeopardize that for a friggin' McMuffin, or buying shiat in Target.
 
2020-05-20 10:48:14 AM  
1 vote:

Masakyst: Gonna be real weird for America in couple months when everything needs to shut down again, but every other developed nation will celebrating the success of their gradual, structured re-openings in some degree.


We already have the most cases by far.  We aren't even going to get a respite of a little normalcy before we have to slam the door shut again.

Somehow, 40% of the public will still blame China.
 
2020-05-20 10:34:24 AM  
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2020-05-20 10:29:28 AM  
1 vote:
The first day I looked at the Johns Hopkins COVID-19 dashboard, the US had 681 cases.
 
2020-05-20 10:26:05 AM  
1 vote:

JohnHall: I've posted this before. It's a Tableau sheet of the Pandemic I put together from NY Times data started. The previous high was on April 10th.

https://public.tableau.com/profile/erb​ieber7480#!/vizhome/CovidUS-FromNYT/Da​shboard2?publish=yes

I've focused on the South to start, but anyone can pick whatever states they want to look at.

(Note: I've heard about data concerns from Georgia and Florida. I only use the data provided so I can't confirm the Georgia data)


Ugh, What I meant to write is that The south has the highest 7-day average of cases (5,932) since the pandemic started. This is notable only because the previous high was on April 10th, and had dipped below 5,000 at the end of April.
 
2020-05-20 10:25:38 AM  
1 vote:

EatHam: BizarreMan: I would kill for a haircut.

I mean, you can get a haircut, just not a professional one.  My wife did pretty well for a first try.  Definitely not the best haircut I've ever had, but it is not bad at all.  And that was the first time she'd ever cut hair.  It seems like it's something that most people should be able to figure out.


I've given myself and my son a couple hair cuts already.  Getting better at it.  Wasn't as hard as I thought and it's kinda fun.  I may never go back to the barber.
 
2020-05-20 10:22:03 AM  
1 vote:
MD opened up a week ago...and had the highest spike in cases already.  Thank God our red Governor is acting like a blue one.  We have better testing than many, because we snuck the materials past Jared, and hopefully our hospitals will be able to handle it.
 
2020-05-20 10:19:42 AM  
1 vote:

gopher321: What if you hate grandma & grandpa and want a nice fat inheritance? Hey, time to party like it's 1999!!!


If you hate grandma and grandpa, chances are you ain't getting shiat.
 
2020-05-20 10:14:58 AM  
1 vote:

BizarreMan: Action Replay Nick: Sorry grandma, I need a haircut!

I would kill for a haircut.  But it's probably going to be a couple more weeks.  Regardless of what other people are doing, my wife and I are taking it nice and slow.

It would totally suck if we put up with two months of being stuck at home just to catch it now.


I've been getting my haircut by the same person for almost 20 years.  She broke off from where she worked and opened her own place about six years ago and she is really anxious to get her place going again.  I told her to call me as soon as she was open and I'll come in.  She said she's setting things up to be as cautious as possible and unfortunately won't be serving complimentary whiskey for a while.  My wife's a physician and we're taking precautions, not leaving or going anywhere unless we really need to.
 
2020-05-20 9:57:43 AM  
1 vote:
What if you hate grandma & grandpa and want a nice fat inheritance? Hey, time to party like it's 1999!!!
 
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