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(Politico)   Welp, if you were wondering how long Americans could stand staying at home in order to save the lives of hundreds of thousands of fellow citizens, the answer was "2 months". WE'RE BACK, BABY   (politico.com) divider line
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2020-05-20 12:18:31 PM  

LordJiro: koder: Part of the reason is simply that people are tired of lockdown and want to go back to business as usual.

Nope. The majority were fine with it. Try again.

This. The people who are 'tired of it' are entitled farkstains who want poor people  to be put at risk for THEIR convenience, and/or people in astroturfed protests. Everyone else is fine with the quarantine (or at least less fine with the alternative).


It's easy to be fine with the quarantine when you know the poors are out there risking the virus so that you can still get groceries, take-out food, and shopping from your computer.
 
2020-05-20 12:21:03 PM  
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2020-05-20 12:24:56 PM  

Mouser: LordJiro: koder: Part of the reason is simply that people are tired of lockdown and want to go back to business as usual.

Nope. The majority were fine with it. Try again.

This. The people who are 'tired of it' are entitled farkstains who want poor people  to be put at risk for THEIR convenience, and/or people in astroturfed protests. Everyone else is fine with the quarantine (or at least less fine with the alternative).

It's easy to be fine with the quarantine when you know the poors are out there risking the virus so that you can still get groceries, take-out food, and shopping from your computer.


Where I live, people working those essential jobs are getting extra money commensurate with their extra risks. I wish the poors had a way to work from home like I do, but knowing that our government is supporting them does in fact make it easier for me to be fine with the quarantine.
 
2020-05-20 12:31:23 PM  

Mouser: It's easy to be fine with the quarantine when you know the poors are out there risking the virus so that you can still get groceries, take-out food, and shopping from your computer.


Part of the transaction is the rest of us staying home. Restaurants that only offer take-out and delivery have far less risk. Grocery stores that enforce masks and social distancing have far less risk. The measures we're taking protect both us and them by virtue of there being fewer people in any place at any time, when right-wing assholes who think it's a conspiracy aren't shiatting on the people who are wearing masks and following directions.

Meanwhile, these people out there working, and people out there who have lost their jobs, should be getting more support from the government in these times. Instead of trillions simply being pushed out to businesses while everyone else gets single up-to-$1,200 checks, we need a comprehensive plan that expands the safety net and better supports everyone involved, including and especially the people who are out there working.

And don't pretend you actually farking care about them, beyond their usefulness as a way to wring your hands about the current measures.
 
2020-05-20 12:35:42 PM  

Rapmaster2000: We likely need 70% to 90% to get infected for society to reach herd immunity


Not necessarily. Humans are not homogenous with regard to infection susceptibility and their propensity to infect others. Most HIT models don't factor that in and therefore predict a higher threshold. We could be looking at a HIT of only 17-24% if we're lucky.
 
2020-05-20 12:42:33 PM  
Comply. Obey. Never question. Big brother knows what is best. Liberal politicians and the media have divined the One True Answer, and to question it even slightly is heresy of the highest order and must be punished swiftly and severely! For real, you guys are getting seriously creepy with this Orwellian shiat. NYC went into full lockdown and has had almost 16,000 deaths and they were practically piling bodies in the street, but the media hasn't stopped sucking Cuomo's cock for months over his terrific response because he followed the script. South Dakota never issued a stay/shelter-at-home order and mostly stayed open for business, and we've been relentlessly mocked and ridiculed for it. So far we've had a staggering 46 deaths. It's almost as though sticking to The Script at all costs is far more important than anything else. Outcomes don't matter, all that matters is religious adherence to The Rules. And yeah, NY has a lot more people. That's kind of the point. A "one-size-fits-all" approach might not be the best answer.

Everyone (well, almost everyone) here acts like anyone who is beginning to question our dramatic reaponse to this virus and the devastating effects it has had on our economy are just greedy, entitled idiots who would rather shoot grandma in the face than go without a haircut or a day at the beach for a couple of months, because that's what you have been told. That's the Narrative. It's not about people wanting to go back to work to support their families. It's not about small business owners desperately trying to save something they spent their entire life building. It's not about crops and livestock being destroyed because of disruptions inbthe supply chain and collapsing markets. It's all about selfishness and haircuts. If we can reduce it to that, we can continue to force compliance through guilt and shame and ridicule. And y'all eat it up and parrot it back and forth all day everyday until it becomes Truth. This place becomes more of a cult every day. There are millions of real people all over this country watching desperately as everything they have worked for their entire lives is slipping away due not to a virus, but to our response to it. And if they question that response even slightly, you people go apeshiat. I'm not saying that we shouldn't be taking this seriously. I'm not saying that there aren't selfish idiots out there doing stupid things. But there is a lot more to all of this that most of you are unable or unwilling to acknowledge. It's easy to sit at home and continue to draw a paycheck and ridicule those who are not content to just sit back and watch while they lose everything. Not everyone can work from home and "sacrifice" by not going to the club and ordering delivery instead of eating out. As long as your sacrifice is limited to inconvenience and mild discomfort, then everyone else should happily sacrifice everything without complaint! And you call others selfish. Very, very typical for Fark 2020.

We CAN take measures to protect the most vulnerable members of our population without burning down our entire economy, but to even suggest such a thing in some parts is exactly the same as locking all the doors and fire bombing a nursing home.
 
2020-05-20 12:46:10 PM  

mod3072: Comply. Obey. Never question. Big brother knows what is best.


Wear a mask, keep your distance, and don't endanger people around you because you're a spiteful child. It's not farking hard. Since that very clearly can't be guaranteed on a very large level without stay at home orders and lockdowns, we need to keep going with that until the pandemic gets under control. More Americans have died from this than died in the Vietnam war, just over the last few months. This is a major farking problem and it's still a major problem we need to deal with on a large, comprehensive level.

None of your childish "But muh freedoms and the economy!" bullshiat will change that, or the simple fact that you're demanding cold calculus of trading lives for economic activity. And that's a fact you need to morally face on your own.,
 
2020-05-20 12:47:38 PM  
The nation never really shut down to begin with.
 
2020-05-20 12:48:16 PM  
When this started I literally said people would start freaking out about staying home in 2 months.
 
2020-05-20 12:53:27 PM  

Mouser: LordJiro: koder: Part of the reason is simply that people are tired of lockdown and want to go back to business as usual.

Nope. The majority were fine with it. Try again.

This. The people who are 'tired of it' are entitled farkstains who want poor people  to be put at risk for THEIR convenience, and/or people in astroturfed protests. Everyone else is fine with the quarantine (or at least less fine with the alternative).

It's easy to be fine with the quarantine when you know the poors are out there risking the virus so that you can still get groceries, take-out food, and shopping from your computer.


Don't forget eating meat. And using a cell phone. People seem to think the only people working are taco makers, grocery store people and cops. Or something.

I'm organizing a general strike for semicon workers. We're up against giants like Apple, Samsung, Merck, Bayer, etc, but nevermind that! They can't fire us all! Ahahahaa!

Wait. They can?
 
2020-05-20 12:56:05 PM  

mod3072: We CAN take measures to protect the most vulnerable members of our population without burning down our entire economy


That's simple and reasonable. The problem is that it doesn't allow legions of Fark liberals to feel morally superior as they endlessly scold, bully, and wag their fingers endlessly in the faces of the vulgar proletariat MAGA masses who won't just roll over and wait for Uncle Sugar Wet Nurse to hand them a UBI.
 
2020-05-20 1:16:40 PM  

gretzkyscores: mod3072: We CAN take measures to protect the most vulnerable members of our population without burning down our entire economy

That's simple and reasonable. The problem is that it doesn't allow legions of Fark liberals to feel morally superior as they endlessly scold, bully, and wag their fingers endlessly in the faces of the vulgar proletariat MAGA masses who won't just roll over and wait for Uncle Sugar Wet Nurse to hand them a UBI.


Bloody William: Wear a mask, keep your distance, and don't endanger people around you because you're a spiteful child. It's not farking hard. Since that very clearly can't be guaranteed on a very large level without stay at home orders and lockdowns, we need to keep going with that until the pandemic gets under control. More Americans have died from this than died in the Vietnam war, just over the last few months. This is a major farking problem and it's still a major problem we need to deal with on a large, comprehensive level.

None of your childish "But muh freedoms and the economy!" bullshiat will change that, or the simple fact that you're demanding cold calculus of trading lives for economic activity. And that's a fact you need to morally face on your own.,


Face the morality of the calculus you're demanding. Instead of the government serving as a support through these unique and very difficult times (the economy's taking a huge hit whether or not there's a lockdown, welcome to pandemicville), we're arguing about simply accepting throwing bodies into the grinder to keep the economy chugging at any cost.
 
2020-05-20 1:16:57 PM  

gretzkyscores: mod3072: We CAN take measures to protect the most vulnerable members of our population without burning down our entire economy

That's simple and reasonable. The problem is that it doesn't allow legions of Fark liberals to feel morally superior as they endlessly scold, bully, and wag their fingers endlessly in the faces of the vulgar proletariat MAGA masses who won't just roll over and wait for Uncle Sugar Wet Nurse to hand them a UBI.


Alright, oh wise ones, list them.  Seriously, how would you guys have handled it?
 
2020-05-20 1:19:32 PM  

gretzkyscores: Rapmaster2000: We likely need 70% to 90% to get infected for society to reach herd immunity

Not necessarily. Humans are not homogenous with regard to infection susceptibility and their propensity to infect others. Most HIT models don't factor that in and therefore predict a higher threshold. We could be looking at a HIT of only 17-24% if we're lucky.


Oh, Judith Curry.

So, many people would take in the fact that they've continually underestimated the disease and take heed.  Many people.  Not all people.
 
2020-05-20 1:38:04 PM  

Bloody William: Mouser: It's easy to be fine with the quarantine when you know the poors are out there risking the virus so that you can still get groceries, take-out food, and shopping from your computer.

Part of the transaction is the rest of us staying home. Restaurants that only offer take-out and delivery have far less risk. Grocery stores that enforce masks and social distancing have far less risk. The measures we're taking protect both us and them by virtue of there being fewer people in any place at any time, when right-wing assholes who think it's a conspiracy aren't shiatting on the people who are wearing masks and following directions.

Meanwhile, these people out there working, and people out there who have lost their jobs, should be getting more support from the government in these times. Instead of trillions simply being pushed out to businesses while everyone else gets single up-to-$1,200 checks, we need a comprehensive plan that expands the safety net and better supports everyone involved, including and especially the people who are out there working.

And don't pretend you actually farking care about them, beyond their usefulness as a way to wring your hands about the current measures.


Yeaj, the most offensive part is the pretending that they actually give a shiat.
 
2020-05-20 3:12:56 PM  
"Part of the reason is simply that people are tired of lockdown and want to go back to business as usual."

"Business as usual" is how this country got 1.56 million people sick and almost 93,000 people (so far) f'king dead. When you put your hand on a hot stove and burn the f'k out of it, it's guaranteed that when you put your other hand on it you'll burn the shat out of that one too. Same action gets the same results... then again while most of us learn the first time, there are some who don't.

But of course these morons want "business as usual"... because they're morons.
Y'all have fun with that. My "business as usual" includes doing all I can to stay the f'k away from you.
 
2020-05-20 3:29:23 PM  

born_yesterday: Bloody William: Mouser: It's easy to be fine with the quarantine when you know the poors are out there risking the virus so that you can still get groceries, take-out food, and shopping from your computer.

Part of the transaction is the rest of us staying home. Restaurants that only offer take-out and delivery have far less risk. Grocery stores that enforce masks and social distancing have far less risk. The measures we're taking protect both us and them by virtue of there being fewer people in any place at any time, when right-wing assholes who think it's a conspiracy aren't shiatting on the people who are wearing masks and following directions.

Meanwhile, these people out there working, and people out there who have lost their jobs, should be getting more support from the government in these times. Instead of trillions simply being pushed out to businesses while everyone else gets single up-to-$1,200 checks, we need a comprehensive plan that expands the safety net and better supports everyone involved, including and especially the people who are out there working.

And don't pretend you actually farking care about them, beyond their usefulness as a way to wring your hands about the current measures.

Yeaj, the most offensive part is the pretending that they actually give a shiat.


It's good that you're here to tell everyone else what's on my mind.  Saves me a lot of time and effort.
 
2020-05-20 4:11:35 PM  

mod3072: Comply. Obey. Never question. Big brother knows what is best. Liberal politicians and the media have divined the One True Answer, and to question it even slightly is heresy of the highest order and must be punished swiftly and severely! For real, you guys are getting seriously creepy with this Orwellian shiat. NYC went into full lockdown and has had almost 16,000 deaths and they were practically piling bodies in the street, but the media hasn't stopped sucking Cuomo's cock for months over his terrific response because he followed the script. South Dakota never issued a stay/shelter-at-home order and mostly stayed open for business, and we've been relentlessly mocked and ridiculed for it. So far we've had a staggering 46 deaths. It's almost as though sticking to The Script at all costs is far more important than anything else. Outcomes don't matter, all that matters is religious adherence to The Rules. And yeah, NY has a lot more people. That's kind of the point. A "one-size-fits-all" approach might not be the best answer.
Everyone (well, almost everyone) here acts like anyone who is beginning to question our dramatic reaponse to this virus and the devastating effects it has had on our economy are just greedy, entitled idiots who would rather shoot grandma in the face than go without a haircut or a day at the beach for a couple of months, because that's what you have been told. That's the Narrative. It's not about people wanting to go back to work to support their families. It's not about small business owners desperately trying to save something they spent their entire life building. It's not about crops and livestock being destroyed because of disruptions inbthe supply chain and collapsing markets. It's all about selfishness and haircuts. If we can reduce it to that, we can continue to force compliance through guilt and shame and ridicule. And y'all eat it up and parrot it back and forth all day everyday until it becomes Truth. This place becomes more of a cult ev ...


You're just mad because our shiatty shallow culture is finally showing to be the joke it is, and you liked it fine the way it was. Now the flaws are showing too much.
 
2020-05-20 4:19:11 PM  

Mouser: born_yesterday: Bloody William: Mouser: It's easy to be fine with the quarantine when you know the poors are out there risking the virus so that you can still get groceries, take-out food, and shopping from your computer.

Part of the transaction is the rest of us staying home. Restaurants that only offer take-out and delivery have far less risk. Grocery stores that enforce masks and social distancing have far less risk. The measures we're taking protect both us and them by virtue of there being fewer people in any place at any time, when right-wing assholes who think it's a conspiracy aren't shiatting on the people who are wearing masks and following directions.

Meanwhile, these people out there working, and people out there who have lost their jobs, should be getting more support from the government in these times. Instead of trillions simply being pushed out to businesses while everyone else gets single up-to-$1,200 checks, we need a comprehensive plan that expands the safety net and better supports everyone involved, including and especially the people who are out there working.

And don't pretend you actually farking care about them, beyond their usefulness as a way to wring your hands about the current measures.

Yeaj, the most offensive part is the pretending that they actually give a shiat.

It's good that you're here to tell everyone else what's on my mind.  Saves me a lot of time and effort.


It is bullshiat though.  It's like the people who invoke "WHAT ABOUT HOMELESS VETERANS!?" when the prospect of paying for any social project comes up.
 
2020-05-20 4:59:17 PM  
Covidiots: OMG, Dad's are beating their kids because the schools are closed and they're all stuck at home. We must open to save the children!
Also Covidiots: I'm voting No because I think schools should do more with the money that they have
 
2020-05-20 6:17:56 PM  

bluejeansonfire: We as a country simply don't have the discipline, patience, intelligence, empathy, maturity, or foresight to properly handle this.

We have no concept of tyranny or oppression. We have no concept of anything beyond our immediate and personal convenience.

God damn this sh*thole country. We are the worst.

( Do people not realize that for businesses to make money, shoppers and workers need to be healthy and not dying?? )


Every poll I've seen shows strong majorities in favor of virtually all lockdown measures in place and concerned about re-opening too quickly. It's Trump and businesses pushing to re-open ASAP.

But yes, we're living in a failed state.
 
2020-05-20 6:35:44 PM  

Bloody William: gretzkyscores: mod3072: We CAN take measures to protect the most vulnerable members of our population without burning down our entire economy

That's simple and reasonable. The problem is that it doesn't allow legions of Fark liberals to feel morally superior as they endlessly scold, bully, and wag their fingers endlessly in the faces of the vulgar proletariat MAGA masses who won't just roll over and wait for Uncle Sugar Wet Nurse to hand them a UBI.

Bloody William: Wear a mask, keep your distance, and don't endanger people around you because you're a spiteful child. It's not farking hard. Since that very clearly can't be guaranteed on a very large level without stay at home orders and lockdowns, we need to keep going with that until the pandemic gets under control. More Americans have died from this than died in the Vietnam war, just over the last few months. This is a major farking problem and it's still a major problem we need to deal with on a large, comprehensive level.

None of your childish "But muh freedoms and the economy!" bullshiat will change that, or the simple fact that you're demanding cold calculus of trading lives for economic activity. And that's a fact you need to morally face on your own.,

Face the morality of the calculus you're demanding. Instead of the government serving as a support through these unique and very difficult times (the economy's taking a huge hit whether or not there's a lockdown, welcome to pandemicville), we're arguing about simply accepting throwing bodies into the grinder to keep the economy chugging at any cost.


Not everything in life is a simple binary choice. It doesn't have to be all or none. And get off your high farking moral horse, you hypocrite. What are you giving up? Leaving mom's basement slightly less often than before? You're sacrificing nothing and telling others they must give up everything, and if they don't just sit back and watch as their entire life's work is destroyed, they are immoral monsters who put money above lives. I'm not talking about hedge fund billionaires, but just regular people who are losing everything. It's not as simplistic as you want to make it. I don't know if you are intellectually incapable of grasping that, or if you are just so brainwashed by the cultish adherence to "the rules" being pushed by the media and social media that you refuse to even think for yourself anymore. Nobody is saying we should start throwing infected corpses into nursing homes and let the strong survive. I'm not saying throw caution to the wind and get everything back to the way it was before immediately. There can be a balance. We can open large parts of the economy and still practice social distancing. We can still take precautions. The supermarkets and Wal Marts and Home Depots have been open and packed full for the entire epidemic, but if we start allowing people to get a haircut we're all gonna die? Not that I really care about haircuts, but the people whose livelihoods depend on them probably do. And you can fark off with your "moral calculus" bullshiat too. We do it all of the time. Millions die every year in car accidents. If we wanted to be 100% safe from that, we could just ban automobiles. Since that is clearly idiotic, we choose instead to mitigate that risk through safety features, speed limits, traffic laws, etc. Owning a car doesn't make you a bloodthirsty monster hell-bent on murdering innocents, it makes you someone who wants to be able to get your ass to work and the grocery store. And there are a million other examples. Life is inherently risky. Rational people do what they can within reason to mitigate those risks, and then carry on with life. We should do what we can to protect those most at risk, but we can't just all cower in our homes for the next year.
 
2020-05-20 10:14:48 PM  

Rapmaster2000: NPC_SLAYER: What percent is the recovery rate. 99.7?.

Based on the NYC morbidity and antibody numbers, probably 99.34%.  So the odds are that you'll only get really, really sick, but you won't die.  We likely need 70% to 90% to get infected for society to reach herd immunity.  I fully support you getting sick for me.


That's a highly specific recovery rate. Where are you getting that? Playing with the data I assumed 25% of the NYC population had it and closer to 1% death rate. That was using may 14th covid data and a couple of years old demographic data. So I'm working on an imprecise dataset and would very much appreciate more specific data.
 
2020-05-20 11:18:21 PM  

mod3072: Not everything in life is a simple binary choice. It doesn't have to be all or none. And get off your high farking moral horse, you hypocrite. What are you giving up? Leaving mom's basement slightly less often than before? You're sacrificing nothing and telling others they must give up everything, and if they don't just sit back and watch as their entire life's work is destroyed, they are immoral monsters who put money above lives.

I don't think that is what he is saying.  I think he is saying that government should help people from losing everything while they make the right choices to prevent more people from dying.  Republicans/Trumpers (or whatever you want to call the current American political disease) is framing the debate the way they want to.  Re-open everything, go back to work, risk your life or you will suffer and the economy collapses.  It is a lie.  It is only the choices they want you to have and it is filled with lies.  First, you can protect people financially without them having them risk their lives.  You can invest dramatically in protections that will allow people to go back to work on a much safer basis and finally, the economy is large f$cked now regardless of how many more dead bodies you throw at it.  Now is the time for Government to do what it does best, cut some f$cking cheques for the people that are hurting.

I'm not talking about hedge fund billionaires, but just regular people who are losing everything. It's not as simplistic as you want to make it. I don't know if you are intellectually incapable of grasping that, or if you are just so brainwashed by the cultish adherence to "the rules" being pushed by the media and social media that you refuse to even think for yourself anymore.


Bloody William is very smart.  Ask yourself why the debate is framed the way it is - and that will tell you who the cons and who the rubes are.  Why isn't this being treated like an actual disaster?  Why is the focus on reopening things rather protecting people in ways that don't involve them risking their lives.  The debate is not framed like this in Canada at all.  Things are being re-opened when we think it is safe.

Not as slowly as you imagine perhaps.  Few people here wants to rush it and it not really along political lines.  Both liberal and conservative leaders are following very similar approaches.  We have the same economic pains but the government and put in real relief.  Immediate unemployment benefits.  Immediate benefits for small business owners.  Immediate assistance paying rent.  Immediate loans for business' trying to stay afloat.  It is only f$cking money.  Pay it.  Work out the other shiat later.

Your masters want the poor and working class liberal and conservatives fighting some type ideological debate among each other.  Some astro-turf bullshiat and both sides are feeding into it. Divide and conquer.  Meanwhile, they don't give a flying f$cking about you.  Your are profit centres for them - nothing else.   I'm not sure what your situation is but you shouldn't be asked to risk your life (and others) so other people can people can buy a higher Audi trim model for their dickhead 15 year old snot-faced kid.  And, you should be payed to protect whatever you built and kept whole for when we get out of this bullshiat.


Nobody is saying we should start throwing infected corpses into nursing homes and let the strong survive. I'm not saying throw caution to the wind and get everything back to the way it was before immediately. There can be a balance. We can open large parts of the economy and still practice social distancing. We can still take precautions. The supermarkets and Wal Marts and Home Depots have been open and packed full for the entire epidemic, but if we start allowing people to get a haircut we're all gonna die? Not that I really care about haircuts, but the people whose livelihoods depend on them probably do. And you can fark off with your "moral calculus" bullshiat too. We do it all of the time. Millions die every year in car accidents. If we wanted to be 100% safe from that, we could just ban automobiles. Since that is clearly idiotic, we choose instead to mitigate that risk through safety features, speed limits, traffic laws, etc. Owning a car doesn't make you a bloodthirsty monster hell-bent on murdering innocents, it makes you someone who wants to be able to get your ass to work and the grocery store. And there are a million other examples. Life is inherently ris ...

Cut people like barbers and hair stylists a f$cking some regular monthly f$cking cheques.   Have them go back to work, when people are lining up to sit in those chairs.  They will be busy as f$ck soon enough.
 
2020-05-20 11:20:43 PM  

mod3072: Not everything in life is a simple binary choice. It doesn't have to be all or none. And get off your high farking moral horse, you hypocrite. What are you giving up? Leaving mom's basement slightly less often than before? You're sacrificing nothing and telling others they must give up everything, and if they don't just sit back and watch as their entire life's work is destroyed, they are immoral monsters who put money above lives. I'm not talking about hedge fund billionaires, but just regular people who are losing everything. It's not as simplistic as you want to make it. I don't know if you are intellectually incapable of grasping that, or if you are just so brainwashed by the cultish adherence to "the rules" being pushed by the media and social media that you refuse to even think for yourself anymore. Nobody is saying we should start throwing infected corpses into nursing homes and let the strong survive. I'm not saying throw caution to the wind and get everything back to the way it was before immediately. There can be a balance. We can open large parts of the economy and still practice social distancing. We can still take precautions. The supermarkets and Wal Marts and Home Depots have been open and packed full for the entire epidemic, but if we start allowing people to get a haircut we're all gonna die? Not that I really care about haircuts, but the people whose livelihoods depend on them probably do. And you can fark off with your "moral calculus" bullshiat too. We do it all of the time. Millions die every year in car accidents. If we wanted to be 100% safe from that, we could just ban automobiles. Since that is clearly idiotic, we choose instead to mitigate that risk through safety features, speed limits, traffic laws, etc. Owning a car doesn't make you a bloodthirsty monster hell-bent on murdering innocents, it makes you someone who wants to be able to get your ass to work and the grocery store. And there are a million other examples. Life is inherently ris ...


Coming from someone who thinks hitting the spacebar causes cancer.
 
2020-05-20 11:22:02 PM  

Mugato: mod3072: Not everything in life is a simple binary choice. It doesn't have to be all or none. And get off your high farking moral horse, you hypocrite. What are you giving up? Leaving mom's basement slightly less often than before? You're sacrificing nothing and telling others they must give up everything, and if they don't just sit back and watch as their entire life's work is destroyed, they are immoral monsters who put money above lives. I'm not talking about hedge fund billionaires, but just regular people who are losing everything. It's not as simplistic as you want to make it. I don't know if you are intellectually incapable of grasping that, or if you are just so brainwashed by the cultish adherence to "the rules" being pushed by the media and social media that you refuse to even think for yourself anymore. Nobody is saying we should start throwing infected corpses into nursing homes and let the strong survive. I'm not saying throw caution to the wind and get everything back to the way it was before immediately. There can be a balance. We can open large parts of the economy and still practice social distancing. We can still take precautions. The supermarkets and Wal Marts and Home Depots have been open and packed full for the entire epidemic, but if we start allowing people to get a haircut we're all gonna die? Not that I really care about haircuts, but the people whose livelihoods depend on them probably do. And you can fark off with your "moral calculus" bullshiat too. We do it all of the time. Millions die every year in car accidents. If we wanted to be 100% safe from that, we could just ban automobiles. Since that is clearly idiotic, we choose instead to mitigate that risk through safety features, speed limits, traffic laws, etc. Owning a car doesn't make you a bloodthirsty monster hell-bent on murdering innocents, it makes you someone who wants to be able to get your ass to work and the grocery store. And there are a million other examples. Life is inher ...


Sorry, make that the return key.
 
2020-05-21 4:23:28 AM  

Mugato: Mugato: mod3072: Not everything in life is a simple binary choice. It doesn't have to be all or none. And get off your high farking moral horse, you hypocrite. What are you giving up? Leaving mom's basement slightly less often than before? You're sacrificing nothing and telling others they must give up everything, and if they don't just sit back and watch as their entire life's work is destroyed, they are immoral monsters who put money above lives. I'm not talking about hedge fund billionaires, but just regular people who are losing everything. It's not as simplistic as you want to make it. I don't know if you are intellectually incapable of grasping that, or if you are just so brainwashed by the cultish adherence to "the rules" being pushed by the media and social media that you refuse to even think for yourself anymore. Nobody is saying we should start throwing infected corpses into nursing homes and let the strong survive. I'm not saying throw caution to the wind and get everything back to the way it was before immediately. There can be a balance. We can open large parts of the economy and still practice social distancing. We can still take precautions. The supermarkets and Wal Marts and Home Depots have been open and packed full for the entire epidemic, but if we start allowing people to get a haircut we're all gonna die? Not that I really care about haircuts, but the people whose livelihoods depend on them probably do. And you can fark off with your "moral calculus" bullshiat too. We do it all of the time. Millions die every year in car accidents. If we wanted to be 100% safe from that, we could just ban automobiles. Since that is clearly idiotic, we choose instead to mitigate that risk through safety features, speed limits, traffic laws, etc. Owning a car doesn't make you a bloodthirsty monster hell-bent on murdering innocents, it makes you someone who wants to be able to get your ass to work and the grocery store. And there are a million other examples. Life is inher ...

Sorry, make that the return key.


Sorry, I was posting from my phone instead of my computer. You are right, everything that I said is automatically invalid because of typos. You have defeated me. Congratulations.
 
2020-05-21 4:31:34 AM  

cryinoutloud: mod3072: Comply. Obey. Never question. Big brother knows what is best. Liberal politicians and the media have divined the One True Answer, and to question it even slightly is heresy of the highest order and must be punished swiftly and severely! For real, you guys are getting seriously creepy with this Orwellian shiat. NYC went into full lockdown and has had almost 16,000 deaths and they were practically piling bodies in the street, but the media hasn't stopped sucking Cuomo's cock for months over his terrific response because he followed the script. South Dakota never issued a stay/shelter-at-home order and mostly stayed open for business, and we've been relentlessly mocked and ridiculed for it. So far we've had a staggering 46 deaths. It's almost as though sticking to The Script at all costs is far more important than anything else. Outcomes don't matter, all that matters is religious adherence to The Rules. And yeah, NY has a lot more people. That's kind of the point. A "one-size-fits-all" approach might not be the best answer.
Everyone (well, almost everyone) here acts like anyone who is beginning to question our dramatic reaponse to this virus and the devastating effects it has had on our economy are just greedy, entitled idiots who would rather shoot grandma in the face than go without a haircut or a day at the beach for a couple of months, because that's what you have been told. That's the Narrative. It's not about people wanting to go back to work to support their families. It's not about small business owners desperately trying to save something they spent their entire life building. It's not about crops and livestock being destroyed because of disruptions inbthe supply chain and collapsing markets. It's all about selfishness and haircuts. If we can reduce it to that, we can continue to force compliance through guilt and shame and ridicule. And y'all eat it up and parrot it back and forth all day everyday until it becomes Truth. This place becomes more of a cult ev ...

You're just mad because our shiatty shallow culture is finally showing to be the joke it is, and you liked it fine the way it was. Now the flaws are showing too much.


Really? Are you going to go grow/pick your own food? Or are you going to wait for someone else to do it for you, and then biatch and moan about how it's done? I'll bet I can guess...
 
2020-05-21 4:46:12 AM  
And nobody here ever addressed my central point laid out in the first paragraph. I wonder why?

The people in a cult never think that they're in a cult. This place is the online version of Jonestown.
 
2020-05-21 8:38:26 AM  

mod3072: Sorry, I was posting from my phone instead of my computer. You are right, everything that I said is automatically invalid because of typos. You have defeated me. Congratulations.


Anytime.
 
2020-05-21 10:30:13 AM  

mod3072: And nobody here ever addressed my central point laid out in the first paragraph. I wonder why?

The people in a cult never think that they're in a cult. This place is the online version of Jonestown.


Didn't I though.  Here it is:

Republicans/Trumpers (or whatever you want to call the current American political disease) is framing the debate the way they want to.  Re-open everything, go back to work, risk your life or you will suffer and the economy collapses.  It is a lie.  It is only the choices they want you to have and it is filled with lies.  First, you can protect people financially without them having them risk their lives.  You can invest dramatically in protections that will allow people to go back to work on a much safer basis and finally, the economy is large f$cked now regardless of how many more dead bodies you throw at it.  Now is the time for Government to do what it does best, cut some f$cking cheques for the people that are hurting.
 
2020-05-21 1:19:13 PM  

RussianPotato: I don't get why these people didn't have months worth of money saved up so they could've weathered this storm.

I mean, sure, now I don't have a rainy day fund.  Now if I need surgery I'll have to take out a loan.  If there is something else unexpected I'll be evicted and become homeless.  My retirement plans are pushed back 5 years.  And since I spent money now and inflation is going to be a biatch, I'll be poorer for the rest of my life and I won't be able to provide an increased standard of living to my children.

But dammit, we gotta keep those 100 year olds healthy!

/been a work at home farker for a year already
//times have been good for my industry
///not everyone is so lucky.



You're an asshole.
 
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