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2020-05-20 10:40:05 AM  
If this was an emergency that rock folks could make money from, like a war, we would be in it for the long haul.  But the way to win this fight is to spend public money and support regular people with government funds.  That is a line to far for republicans. They would rather people die than admit that government has the capacity to help people.  America is strong, as long as it doesn't inconvenience the rich and powerful or reveal things that the rich and powerful don't want people to realize.  Lots of people will die because some people think the sole purpose of government should be to help rich people get richer
 
2020-05-20 10:41:15 AM  

PluckYew: RussianPotato: I don't get why these people didn't have months worth of money saved up so they could've weathered this storm.

I mean, sure, now I don't have a rainy day fund.  Now if I need surgery I'll have to take out a loan.  If there is something else unexpected I'll be evicted and become homeless.  My retirement plans are pushed back 5 years.  And since I spent money now and inflation is going to be a biatch, I'll be poorer for the rest of my life and I won't be able to provide an increased standard of living to my children.

But dammit, we gotta keep those 100 year olds healthy!

/been a work at home farker for a year already
//times have been good for my industry
///not everyone is so lucky.

Whatever, everybody knows you job ends November 3, 2020


You would think he would realize the bot farms stop paying on Election Day.  Until then, I'm sure he's on track to have his best year ever.
 
2020-05-20 10:41:30 AM  
My lawn has never been so free of dandelions now that I have nothing better to do but pull them by hand. So stay off it!
 
2020-05-20 10:41:51 AM  
I'd join a general strike, but it turns out I need health insurance.
 
2020-05-20 10:41:54 AM  
We were supposed to be using this time to get testing, tracing and isolating in place but the GOP decided that would spook rich people. So it's over, it's done. They just ran out the clock. Nobody is staying inside all summer.

When the second an third waves hit, we'll just get more propaganda.
 
2020-05-20 10:45:59 AM  
Sure. Let's go another 2 months. The poor, who largely work jobs that require they be in a workplace can continue to take it in the fart box so professionals and investor class can live their lives uneffected. The poor can eat the weaker ones. Brilliant. We'll do that, rather than tell grandma who's retired and not going out much to stay inside until thief's a vaccine. We'll impoverish the whole planet, rather than inconvenience grandma and 45 year old who haven't done a sit-up in 20 years.
 
2020-05-20 10:47:11 AM  
Crowds from around the country arrived at Yellowstone's opening Monday and "not a mask in sight."
https://www.theguardian.com/environme​n​t/2020/may/19/yellowstone-coronavirus-​reopening-grand-teton-covid-19?fbclid=​IwAR1ARL3DWlG9Mkl0PhfHNz241r6INu27Wdvx​ZLpvDy222jEsgMM12zcABQQ
No word if they're also petting bison.
 
2020-05-20 10:48:14 AM  

Masakyst: Gonna be real weird for America in couple months when everything needs to shut down again, but every other developed nation will celebrating the success of their gradual, structured re-openings in some degree.


We already have the most cases by far.  We aren't even going to get a respite of a little normalcy before we have to slam the door shut again.

Somehow, 40% of the public will still blame China.
 
2020-05-20 10:48:28 AM  

EatHam: BizarreMan: I would kill for a haircut.

I mean, you can get a haircut, just not a professional one.  My wife did pretty well for a first try.  Definitely not the best haircut I've ever had, but it is not bad at all.  And that was the first time she'd ever cut hair.  It seems like it's something that most people should be able to figure out.


I tried. It didn't go well.

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2020-05-20 10:49:47 AM  

DarnoKonrad: I'd join a general strike, but it turns out I need health insurance.


And now you understand why we don't have universal health care.
 
2020-05-20 10:50:41 AM  

IMACODFISH: Sure. Let's go another 2 months. The poor, who largely work jobs that require they be in a workplace can continue to take it in the fart box so professionals and investor class can live their lives uneffected. The poor can eat the weaker ones. Brilliant. We'll do that, rather than tell grandma who's retired and not going out much to stay inside until thief's a vaccine. We'll impoverish the whole planet, rather than inconvenience grandma and 45 year old who haven't done a sit-up in 20 years.


Or we could do what the rest of the modern world is doing and have the government pick up the slack for those who aren't working due to these extraordinary circumstances.

But nah.  Better we should just cut payroll taxes and OSHA regulations.  That'll get things moving again.
 
2020-05-20 10:53:07 AM  
The message got through to most people, and the smart ones will continue to take basic precautions to keep themselves and their families safer. The US as a whole doesn't have the patience or willpower to minimize deaths, so the best we can do is focus them into the groups volunteering - begging, really - to spearhead the reopening.

Yes, innocents will die, but honestly a mix of 80% republicans & 20% educated citizens is better for the country in the long run, compared to a more random distribution.

Now, let's get those trump rallies back on track. Catch up for lost time!
 
2020-05-20 10:53:10 AM  
Maybe you are, subby. I'm staying home.

My wife and I grew up poor, on opposite sides of the country. We're comfortable living without - hell, we live pretty damned frugally as it is - and our friends understand what this all means, so there's little fear of social concern. We ping them every week or so, they ping us every week or so, to make sure everyone's OK and to swap a bit of fun. It's comfortable. (Last week, my wife & her siblings baked bread "pictures" and compared them for fun - my wife made a snail among breadstick "grass.")

I'll not jeopardize that for a friggin' McMuffin, or buying shiat in Target.
 
2020-05-20 10:54:05 AM  
If this lockdown meant we could not even leave our homes for any reason, I would understand

If this lockdown meant we would be indoors for years and not a couple months, I would understand

But I really can not understand all the childish whining. I can once again drive during rush hour and actually drive the speed limit and not 10MPH. I save $$$ not having to drive everyday, not having to buy lunch every day. So what if my Amazon Prime order comes slower instead of 2 days, nothing I order was of truly serious consequence to life. So I have to wear a hat when I go out because my hair is an overgrown mess, that is great because I spend less time worrying about silly crap and just grab a hat and go. Big deal I need to wear a mask going into the store, I am not so self-delusional to think that everyone is missing my pretty smile. This has been a wonderful relaxing time for me personally.

As if Trump did not already destroy the Evangelicals morality, their obsession with willing to create more deaths in support of this tyrant surely should be the final coffin in the nail. I would expect the right to life people leading the charge to do whatever means necessary to save life.
 
2020-05-20 10:54:30 AM  

IMACODFISH: Sure. Let's go another 2 months. The poor, who largely work jobs that require they be in a workplace can continue to take it in the fart box so professionals and investor class can live their lives uneffected. The poor can eat the weaker ones. Brilliant. We'll do that, rather than tell grandma who's retired and not going out much to stay inside until thief's a vaccine. We'll impoverish the whole planet, rather than inconvenience grandma and 45 year old who haven't done a sit-up in 20 years.


Yes, let's work the poors to death. We can always make more poor people. *eyes middle class greedily*
 
2020-05-20 10:54:52 AM  

Nadie_AZ: DarnoKonrad: I'd join a general strike, but it turns out I need health insurance.

And now you understand why we don't have universal health care.


Thanks Obama.
 
2020-05-20 10:57:47 AM  

bluejeansonfire: We as a country simply don't have the discipline, patience, intelligence, empathy, maturity, or foresight to properly handle this.


Maybe I'm getting too cynical in regards to be fellow countrymen, but I think it was obvious from the start that these shut downs were never going to last as long as they needed to. We should have viewed them as stop gaps only and used that time to build up our stock of medical supplies and cross train medical staff.
 
2020-05-20 10:58:39 AM  
What percent is the recovery rate. 99.7?.
 
2020-05-20 10:59:10 AM  

Snapper Carr: IMACODFISH: Sure. Let's go another 2 months. The poor, who largely work jobs that require they be in a workplace can continue to take it in the fart box so professionals and investor class can live their lives uneffected. The poor can eat the weaker ones. Brilliant. We'll do that, rather than tell grandma who's retired and not going out much to stay inside until thief's a vaccine. We'll impoverish the whole planet, rather than inconvenience grandma and 45 year old who haven't done a sit-up in 20 years.

Or we could do what the rest of the modern world is doing and have the government pick up the slack for those who aren't working due to these extraordinary circumstances.

But nah.  Better we should just cut payroll taxes and OSHA regulations.  That'll get things moving again.


Binary thinking is fascinating and a bit scary to see in the wild, isn't it?

ALL OPEN NOW OR ALL POORS DIE AT HOME!!!
 
2020-05-20 11:00:17 AM  

IMACODFISH: Sure. Let's go another 2 months. The poor, who largely work jobs that require they be in a workplace can continue to take it in the fart box so professionals and investor class can live their lives uneffected. The poor can eat the weaker ones. Brilliant. We'll do that, rather than tell grandma who's retired and not going out much to stay inside until thief's a vaccine. We'll impoverish the whole planet, rather than inconvenience grandma and 45 year old who haven't done a sit-up in 20 years.


I assume that you're a native English speaker, but a lot of people will assume you aren't based on this.
 
2020-05-20 11:01:11 AM  

NPC_SLAYER: What percent is the recovery rate. 99.7?.


What are you doing inside? Go outside and prove how stupid all the NPCs are by letting an ER doctor cough on you
 
2020-05-20 11:02:48 AM  

NPC_SLAYER: What percent is the recovery rate. 99.7?.


Nope, try again 4chan Boy.
 
2020-05-20 11:02:55 AM  

born_yesterday: Snapper Carr: IMACODFISH: Sure. Let's go another 2 months. The poor, who largely work jobs that require they be in a workplace can continue to take it in the fart box so professionals and investor class can live their lives uneffected. The poor can eat the weaker ones. Brilliant. We'll do that, rather than tell grandma who's retired and not going out much to stay inside until thief's a vaccine. We'll impoverish the whole planet, rather than inconvenience grandma and 45 year old who haven't done a sit-up in 20 years.

Or we could do what the rest of the modern world is doing and have the government pick up the slack for those who aren't working due to these extraordinary circumstances.

But nah.  Better we should just cut payroll taxes and OSHA regulations.  That'll get things moving again.

Binary thinking is fascinating and a bit scary to see in the wild, isn't it?

ALL OPEN NOW OR ALL POORS DIE AT HOME!!!



False dilemma is one of those logical fallacies that shows up a lot in political discussions.  It's rampant on the poltab
 
2020-05-20 11:03:02 AM  

NPC_SLAYER: What percent is the recovery rate. 99.7?.


Based on the NYC morbidity and antibody numbers, probably 99.34%.  So the odds are that you'll only get really, really sick, but you won't die.  We likely need 70% to 90% to get infected for society to reach herd immunity.  I fully support you getting sick for me.
 
2020-05-20 11:03:19 AM  

IMACODFISH: Sure. Let's go another 2 months. The poor, who largely work jobs that require they be in a workplace can continue to take it in the fart box so professionals and investor class can live their lives uneffected. The poor can eat the weaker ones. Brilliant. We'll do that, rather than tell grandma who's retired and not going out much to stay inside until thief's a vaccine. We'll impoverish the whole planet, rather than inconvenience grandma and 45 year old who haven't done a sit-up in 20 years.


Go outside, or at least to a really really crowded place. Us libs will just cower inside while you're big the big brave boy proving us all wrong
 
2020-05-20 11:05:18 AM  

TDWCom29: IMACODFISH: Sure. Let's go another 2 months. The poor, who largely work jobs that require they be in a workplace can continue to take it in the fart box so professionals and investor class can live their lives uneffected. The poor can eat the weaker ones. Brilliant. We'll do that, rather than tell grandma who's retired and not going out much to stay inside until thief's a vaccine. We'll impoverish the whole planet, rather than inconvenience grandma and 45 year old who haven't done a sit-up in 20 years.

Go outside, or at least to a really really crowded place. Us libs will just cower inside while you're big the big brave boy proving us all wrong


I can't wait to see the look on your stupid lib face when I'm on a ventilator!
 
2020-05-20 11:06:31 AM  
Americans can stand it just fine.

(I'm calling plague spreader flu klux klan shiatheels anti american shiatfarkers, fark your feelings)
 
2020-05-20 11:07:21 AM  
Has anyone interviewed Death and how it feels about all of the extra overtime?
 
2020-05-20 11:10:36 AM  

NPC_SLAYER: What percent is the recovery rate. 99.7?.



More like 93% although in the US it appears to be much lower.
 
2020-05-20 11:11:57 AM  

theteacher: I wonder if the people who are aching to go out don't do their own lawns and gardening and cleaning.


We don't because we aren't peasants.
 
2020-05-20 11:12:56 AM  

Snapper Carr: born_yesterday: Snapper Carr: IMACODFISH: Sure. Let's go another 2 months. The poor, who largely work jobs that require they be in a workplace can continue to take it in the fart box so professionals and investor class can live their lives uneffected. The poor can eat the weaker ones. Brilliant. We'll do that, rather than tell grandma who's retired and not going out much to stay inside until thief's a vaccine. We'll impoverish the whole planet, rather than inconvenience grandma and 45 year old who haven't done a sit-up in 20 years.

Or we could do what the rest of the modern world is doing and have the government pick up the slack for those who aren't working due to these extraordinary circumstances.

But nah.  Better we should just cut payroll taxes and OSHA regulations.  That'll get things moving again.

Binary thinking is fascinating and a bit scary to see in the wild, isn't it?

ALL OPEN NOW OR ALL POORS DIE AT HOME!!!


False dilemma is one of those logical fallacies that shows up a lot in political discussions.  It's rampant on the poltab


Look, libfart.  We can either stay home forever and ever or run out to Chili's right now and order an Xtreme Taco Tower with Cheezy Fire Sauce.  Those are the only two choices available to us.
 
2020-05-20 11:14:42 AM  

gilgigamesh: Masakyst: Gonna be real weird for America in couple months when everything needs to shut down again, but every other developed nation will celebrating the success of their gradual, structured re-openings in some degree.

We already have the most cases by far.  We aren't even going to get a respite of a little normalcy before we have to slam the door shut again.

Somehow, 40% of the public will still blame China.


No matter what, the Chinese government certainly deserves a whole heck of a lot of blame here.

Under either theory of how the virus started (wet market or escaped from their lab), they farked up (they should have banned the sort of out of control wet market that was in Wuhan; they knew it; their scientists knew it; everybody knew it).

Then, in the initial days of the outbreak in Wuhan, they played Iraqi Information Minister with a lot of "nothing to see here" bullshiat, even criminally charging the first doctor to publicly report the virus with "spreading misinformation".

Eventually, they got their act together, but that was a "barn door after the horse was already out" situation.
 
2020-05-20 11:15:47 AM  

Snapper Carr: NPC_SLAYER: What percent is the recovery rate. 99.7?.


More like 93%


Scratch that.  It's more like 86%.

/basic math fail.
 
2020-05-20 11:16:26 AM  

Snapper Carr: NPC_SLAYER: What percent is the recovery rate. 99.7?.


More like 93% although in the US it appears to be much lower.


It appears the fatality rate is about 1%, so about 99% recover.  Note that "recover" doesn't mean without long term damage; for example seemingly permanent lung problems, or limb amputations due to blood clots.
 
2020-05-20 11:20:53 AM  

theteacher: I wonder if the people who are aching to go out don't do their own lawns and gardening and cleaning.


I've been clearing a backlog of home improvement projects we've been putting off.  But, our lawn guy asked if he could still come.  He works on his own, he's outside, we're inside when he's here, no contact.  I mean, why not?
 
2020-05-20 11:21:25 AM  

Rapmaster2000: NPC_SLAYER: What percent is the recovery rate. 99.7?.

Based on the NYC morbidity and antibody numbers, probably 99.34%.  So the odds are that you'll only get really, really sick, but you won't die.  We likely need 70% to 90% to get infected for society to reach herd immunity.  I fully support you getting sick for me.


We do not want enough people to get infected to get to herd immunity.  Let's use your lowest numbers.

Population of US: 330 million x 70% x fatality rate of 0.66% = 1.524 million dead in the US alone.  And that's a low estimate; a high estimate could be double that or more.
 
2020-05-20 11:22:31 AM  

Geotpf: Snapper Carr: NPC_SLAYER: What percent is the recovery rate. 99.7?.


More like 93% although in the US it appears to be much lower.

It appears the fatality rate is about 1%, so about 99% recover.  Note that "recover" doesn't mean without long term damage; for example seemingly permanent lung problems, or limb amputations due to blood clots.


Are you calculating deaths as a percentage of total cases or deaths from resolved cases?

The first would give you an incorrect number since the vast majority of those cases haven't been resolved.


Deaths
325,679
Recovered:
1,980,306

D+R=RC

RS= 2305985

R/RS = recovery rate

Plug the numbers in and you get .858 which is rounded up to 86% recovery rate.
 
2020-05-20 11:22:45 AM  
Well, thank god the GOP turned a farking pandemic into a partisan politics because that's exactly what this country needs right now. They could have worked with Democrats to get adequate testing performed, or a host of other issues that need to be addressed before opening, but no. They decided that what America needs right now is complete opposition to expert advice and more partisanship.
 
2020-05-20 11:26:44 AM  

Snapper Carr: Geotpf: Snapper Carr: NPC_SLAYER: What percent is the recovery rate. 99.7?.


More like 93% although in the US it appears to be much lower.

It appears the fatality rate is about 1%, so about 99% recover.  Note that "recover" doesn't mean without long term damage; for example seemingly permanent lung problems, or limb amputations due to blood clots.

Are you calculating deaths as a percentage of total cases or deaths from resolved cases?

The first would give you an incorrect number since the vast majority of those cases haven't been resolved.


Deaths
325,679
Recovered:
1,980,306

D+R=RC

RS= 2305985

R/RS = recovery rate

Plug the numbers in and you get .858 which is rounded up to 86% recovery rate.


Most of that 14% includes cases currently pending; IE, they are currently sick with the virus (or haven't been marked as "recovered" in the official statistics).  Most of that 14% will eventually recover at some point.
 
2020-05-20 11:29:50 AM  

karnal: Dim Rallying Cry:  Tank the Economy - Blame Trump!


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2020-05-20 11:37:28 AM  

bluejeansonfire: We have no concept of tyranny or oppression. We have no concept of anything beyond our immediate and personal convenience.


Typing while white.
 
2020-05-20 11:38:06 AM  

Geotpf: Rapmaster2000: NPC_SLAYER: What percent is the recovery rate. 99.7?.

Based on the NYC morbidity and antibody numbers, probably 99.34%.  So the odds are that you'll only get really, really sick, but you won't die.  We likely need 70% to 90% to get infected for society to reach herd immunity.  I fully support you getting sick for me.

We do not want enough people to get infected to get to herd immunity.  Let's use your lowest numbers.

Population of US: 330 million x 70% x fatality rate of 0.66% = 1.524 million dead in the US alone.  And that's a low estimate; a high estimate could be double that or more.


I fully agree with you.  I've made the same calculation that you have.  Some friends of mine had it.  They said it was terrible.  It was the flu times 100.  I don't want this to happen.

The problem we have is that the Branch Covidians have locked us in the compound with them.  They are willing to die for the leader.  I don't know how to stop this.  I think it's just going to happen.  The Branch Covidians are willing to do it.  People at Jonestown who loved their children gave them the cyanide that killed them.  Welcome to Jonestown.
 
2020-05-20 11:38:15 AM  

Geotpf: gilgigamesh: Masakyst: Gonna be real weird for America in couple months when everything needs to shut down again, but every other developed nation will celebrating the success of their gradual, structured re-openings in some degree.

We already have the most cases by far.  We aren't even going to get a respite of a little normalcy before we have to slam the door shut again.

Somehow, 40% of the public will still blame China.

No matter what, the Chinese government certainly deserves a whole heck of a lot of blame here.

Under either theory of how the virus started (wet market or escaped from their lab), they farked up (they should have banned the sort of out of control wet market that was in Wuhan; they knew it; their scientists knew it; everybody knew it).

Then, in the initial days of the outbreak in Wuhan, they played Iraqi Information Minister with a lot of "nothing to see here" bullshiat, even criminally charging the first doctor to publicly report the virus with "spreading misinformation".

Eventually, they got their act together, but that was a "barn door after the horse was already out" situation.



Sure, but that was then and this is now. What happened in "the initial days" is done, it's ancient history, it's not helping anybody move forward. What are countries doing now to get things under control and re-open?

Over the next few months you'll be hearing a lot about Canadians and Europeans and others getting back to almost-normal. Beaches, shopping, etc, in relative safety because of the steps they've been taking since January. But Americans will be stuck under lockdown again, next time probably even longer and more strict than the first round. Hearkening back to what China did in "the initial days" won't help you dig out of that hole.
 
2020-05-20 11:41:02 AM  
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2020-05-20 11:41:21 AM  

Snapper Carr: Geotpf: Snapper Carr: NPC_SLAYER: What percent is the recovery rate. 99.7?.


More like 93% although in the US it appears to be much lower.

It appears the fatality rate is about 1%, so about 99% recover.  Note that "recover" doesn't mean without long term damage; for example seemingly permanent lung problems, or limb amputations due to blood clots.

Are you calculating deaths as a percentage of total cases or deaths from resolved cases?

The first would give you an incorrect number since the vast majority of those cases haven't been resolved.


Deaths
325,679
Recovered:
1,980,306

D+R=RC

RS= 2305985

R/RS = recovery rate

Plug the numbers in and you get .858 which is rounded up to 86% recovery rate.


I think it's more useful to use antibody results.  It appears many people remain asymptomatic.   Kevin Durant, George Stephanopoulous, and Idris Elba never got sick.  They just carried it.
 
2020-05-20 11:48:28 AM  

Alphax: 'Well, you can't make people stay in forever.'

Right, because asking other people to live like I already do is true cruelty..


It is.
 
2020-05-20 11:49:23 AM  
Not here...
 
2020-05-20 11:54:08 AM  

ssa5: If this lockdown meant we could not even leave our homes for any reason, I would understand

If this lockdown meant we would be indoors for years and not a couple months, I would understand

But I really can not understand all the childish whining. I can once again drive during rush hour and actually drive the speed limit and not 10MPH. I save $$$ not having to drive everyday, not having to buy lunch every day. So what if my Amazon Prime order comes slower instead of 2 days, nothing I order was of truly serious consequence to life. So I have to wear a hat when I go out because my hair is an overgrown mess, that is great because I spend less time worrying about silly crap and just grab a hat and go. Big deal I need to wear a mask going into the store, I am not so self-delusional to think that everyone is missing my pretty smile. This has been a wonderful relaxing time for me personally.

As if Trump did not already destroy the Evangelicals morality, their obsession with willing to create more deaths in support of this tyrant surely should be the final coffin in the nail. I would expect the right to life people leading the charge to do whatever means necessary to save life.


So you're fine staying at home as long as you have some nameless peon delivering your amazon orders for you.

How noble of you.
 
2020-05-20 11:57:49 AM  

wademh: The grass still grows... And if I took it somewhere for someone else to fix, that's two more weeks.


That's why ever since we were kids we always had a manual option. We may not have always used it. But times the more complicated one wouldn't be usable, we would have it. For future reference, decent push reels are usually under a hundred bucks and are basically maintenance free as a backup. As a primary, well, still less maintenance, but damn is it more convenient to sit on a rider than walk with a pusher.

But personally, I perfer to not have a lawn at all, then I don't have to maintain one. Which is a pretty good argument for shaving your head or just letting your hair grow, I guess. Though, now that I think about it, a lot of the people I'd first 'seen' complaining about having their hair grow excessively were in the same places I would have generally attributed to being white power skinheads anyway. It seems to me like that would have been their first option. Wouldn't it have been? ... Either way, I gotta stay off those websites.

But what else do I do when drunk and online for twenty hours at a time? It's not like I got a lawn to maintain. Just beer to drink and tv to binge watch.
 
2020-05-20 12:17:43 PM  

IMACODFISH: Sure. Let's go another 2 months. The poor, who largely work jobs that require they be in a workplace can continue to take it in the fart box so professionals and investor class can live their lives uneffected. The poor can eat the weaker ones. Brilliant. We'll do that, rather than tell grandma who's retired and not going out much to stay inside until thief's a vaccine. We'll impoverish the whole planet, rather than inconvenience grandma and 45 year old who haven't done a sit-up in 20 years.


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