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(The Verge)   Microsoft unveils new Totally-Not-Google-Docs online document creation suite, promises they copied only the best features   (theverge.com) divider line
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547 clicks; posted to Geek » on 20 May 2020 at 9:20 AM (5 days ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook



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5 days ago  
It's open source, so go fork yourself.
 
5 days ago  
Considering Docs coppied from MS Office, turnabout is fair play.
 
5 days ago  

IlGreven: Considering Docs coppied from MS Office, turnabout is fair play.


and MS Office copied Lotus and a dozen other programs that existed before Office was a thing...

This is why R&D stands for "Ripoff and Duplicate". :P
 
5 days ago  

GardenWeasel: It's open source, so go fork yourself.


I already forked the code, I'll be introducing HedgieDocs in Q2 2022.
 
5 days ago  
"All your data are belong to us".
 
5 days ago  
 Shrug. Libreoffice. Yeah, yeah, I heard it isn't good enough for you. winword.exe then.
 
5 days ago  
Subby is about 8 years late on the "Microsoft is copying Google Docs" train - must be running IE.

The new features they're rolling out aren't anything at all like Google Docs and really are very cool, particularly as they are open-sourcing their framework so other devs can build their own add-ons.
 
5 days ago  

meanmutton: Subby is about 8 years late on the "Microsoft is copying Google Docs" train - must be running IE.

The new features they're rolling out aren't anything at all like Google Docs and really are very cool, particularly as they are open-sourcing their framework so other devs can build their own add-ons.


I dunno. I was required to use Google docs last year for a project.   They're basically  bad copies of Office programs.  I hate google docs.  Especially that spreadsheet program.  god thats awful software.
 
5 days ago  
I'm pretty sure this approach was in development when Apple was under Scully's control in the early 90s. I clearly remember using an early demo that basically took the resource fork and cloned it for each type of element the document needed.

/I miss ResEdit, but I know why it had to go.
//Customizing applications was so easy.
///If your idiot college roommate Jeff kept breaking your mac, you could just screw with the finder menus and change all the icons around in an afternoon.
////fark you, Jeff.
 
5 days ago  
I'm more of a WordPerfect man myself.
 
5 days ago  

PadreScout: Especially that spreadsheet program. god thats awful software.


I agree, except for one item: RegEx search-and-replace. The ability to take a particular field, and basically say "transform every iteration of "XYZ into X:Z:Y+A" (or whatever) is fantastic. Especially if those fields are 3000+ rows of network IP and MAC addresses, which you need to keep intact, but have to format in a specific way for import into a tool.

The only way to *possibly* do it in Excel is with a bunch of weird external plugins and VBScript, and even then, it doesn't work quite the way one would think.

(So yes, I exported the sheet as a CSV, since I didn't care about formulas or formatting, imported it into Google Sheets, ran the regex stuff, then exported it back to a file to finish up editing in Excel.)
 
5 days ago  

PadreScout: meanmutton: Subby is about 8 years late on the "Microsoft is copying Google Docs" train - must be running IE.

The new features they're rolling out aren't anything at all like Google Docs and really are very cool, particularly as they are open-sourcing their framework so other devs can build their own add-ons.

I dunno. I was required to use Google docs last year for a project.   They're basically  bad copies of Office programs.  I hate google docs.  Especially that spreadsheet program.  god thats awful software.


They're good for doing some calculations. They're good for writing resumes, school reports, etc. Are you going to use Google Spreadsheets to do preliminary design and estimating for several hundred million dollars worth of projects? Nope. And the reason is that Office is worth its price for only one feature not in the other software. Only one. And it doesn't need to be a big feature like power pivot data models, although that's a big plus. It could be as minor as some extra font formatting that makes your life easier. MS Office is so farking cheap there's simply no reason not to have it if you're doing any substantial work. I've been saying this for years. Business won't change to any other software until that software is better, not cheaper or free.
 
5 days ago  

Russ1642: PadreScout: meanmutton: Subby is about 8 years late on the "Microsoft is copying Google Docs" train - must be running IE.

The new features they're rolling out aren't anything at all like Google Docs and really are very cool, particularly as they are open-sourcing their framework so other devs can build their own add-ons.

I dunno. I was required to use Google docs last year for a project.   They're basically  bad copies of Office programs.  I hate google docs.  Especially that spreadsheet program.  god thats awful software.

They're good for doing some calculations. They're good for writing resumes, school reports, etc. Are you going to use Google Spreadsheets to do preliminary design and estimating for several hundred million dollars worth of projects? Nope. And the reason is that Office is worth its price for only one feature not in the other software. Only one. And it doesn't need to be a big feature like power pivot data models, although that's a big plus. It could be as minor as some extra font formatting that makes your life easier. MS Office is so farking cheap there's simply no reason not to have it if you're doing any substantial work. I've been saying this for years. Business won't change to any other software until that software is better, not cheaper or free.


My company has been asking users to trial the G+Suite as a replacement to Office, with the understanding that you'll still have Office in case the Google suite can't do what you're used to doing, but it needs to be notated when discovered. Office is the standard, but Fark should know that it's all about the cost for a corporation; it doesn't have to be better, just not be worse.
 
5 days ago  

you need help: Russ1642: PadreScout: meanmutton: Subby is about 8 years late on the "Microsoft is copying Google Docs" train - must be running IE.

The new features they're rolling out aren't anything at all like Google Docs and really are very cool, particularly as they are open-sourcing their framework so other devs can build their own add-ons.

I dunno. I was required to use Google docs last year for a project.   They're basically  bad copies of Office programs.  I hate google docs.  Especially that spreadsheet program.  god thats awful software.

They're good for doing some calculations. They're good for writing resumes, school reports, etc. Are you going to use Google Spreadsheets to do preliminary design and estimating for several hundred million dollars worth of projects? Nope. And the reason is that Office is worth its price for only one feature not in the other software. Only one. And it doesn't need to be a big feature like power pivot data models, although that's a big plus. It could be as minor as some extra font formatting that makes your life easier. MS Office is so farking cheap there's simply no reason not to have it if you're doing any substantial work. I've been saying this for years. Business won't change to any other software until that software is better, not cheaper or free.

My company has been asking users to trial the G+Suite as a replacement to Office, with the understanding that you'll still have Office in case the Google suite can't do what you're used to doing, but it needs to be notated when discovered. Office is the standard, but Fark should know that it's all about the cost for a corporation; it doesn't have to be better, just not be worse.


Have they actually looked at the price? Depending on what you're using, Office ranges from much cheaper than G Suite to $0.50 per user per month more for the same apps.
 
5 days ago  
Microsoft needs to figure out that people primarily use google docs and libreoffice because they are free. This "we own all your shiat cause it's on our servers, and you have to pay us a monthly subscription fee to boot" thing is a bit too much for many people.
 
5 days ago  

NotARocketScientist: Microsoft needs to figure out that people primarily use google docs and libreoffice because they are free. This "we own all your shiat cause it's on our servers, and you have to pay us a monthly subscription fee to boot" thing is a bit too much for many people.


MS Office is not competing with libreoffice the same way it isn't competing with Notepad. And the OneDrive policies are nothing remotely like what you claim they are. You're simply talking out of your ass.
 
5 days ago  

Joe_diGriz: PadreScout: Especially that spreadsheet program. god thats awful software.

I agree, except for one item: RegEx search-and-replace. The ability to take a particular field, and basically say "transform every iteration of "XYZ into X:Z:Y+A" (or whatever) is fantastic. Especially if those fields are 3000+ rows of network IP and MAC addresses, which you need to keep intact, but have to format in a specific way for import into a tool.

The only way to *possibly* do it in Excel is with a bunch of weird external plugins and VBScript, and even then, it doesn't work quite the way one would think.

(So yes, I exported the sheet as a CSV, since I didn't care about formulas or formatting, imported it into Google Sheets, ran the regex stuff, then exported it back to a file to finish up editing in Excel.)


Excel regex. Basically just one add-on.

Google docs is not great. We tried it at our office for a year then went to ms. It's not bad, it's just not everything ms offers.
 
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