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2020-05-20 6:33:47 AM  
Jesus laughs at your science talk.
It's hell for you.
 
2020-05-20 6:35:25 AM  
You linked to a paywall. Downvote.
 
2020-05-20 6:35:26 AM  
But destroying the brain is still the most effective way to dispose of them, right?
 
2020-05-20 6:38:20 AM  
I am not going to hold my breath waiting for apologies or confessions of error from the Very Serious Farkers who insisted that positive tests meant people could be reinfected and therefore had to be quarantined perhaps forever.
 
2020-05-20 6:39:11 AM  
This is very hard to believe. But very good if true. We will find out the whole story soon.
 
2020-05-20 6:42:02 AM  

Dork Gently: I am not going to hold my breath waiting for apologies or confessions of error from the Very Serious Farkers who insisted that positive tests meant people could be reinfected and therefore had to be quarantined perhaps forever.


Way too soon for that. Just because this feeds your narrative does not mean it is true. Play video games to be in a fantasy world. Try to live in the real world when not gaming.
 
2020-05-20 6:43:54 AM  

FarkingChas: This is very hard to believe. But very good if true. We will find out the whole story soon.


No it isn't, SARS shedding peaks at day ten and declines rapidly thereafter.
 
2020-05-20 6:47:22 AM  
 
2020-05-20 6:52:29 AM  
Wait, so HugeDong3828102 *isn't* Chair of Epidemiology at Johns Hopkins? You're allowed to lie in your Twitter profile?
 
2020-05-20 6:53:57 AM  

FarkingChas: Dork Gently: I am not going to hold my breath waiting for apologies or confessions of error from the Very Serious Farkers who insisted that positive tests meant people could be reinfected and therefore had to be quarantined perhaps forever.

Way too soon for that. Just because this feeds your narrative does not mean it is true. Play video games to be in a fantasy world. Try to live in the real world when not gaming.


Why do you reject the science?

What evidence do you have that people can be reinfected, much less transmit viable virions, after they recover from COVID-19?  Have any of the studies you base your pessimism on used tests that check for virus viability, or only virus RNA?
 
2020-05-20 6:54:28 AM  
That isn't the source, the study would be the source. Which isn't linked in the article.
 
2020-05-20 6:56:24 AM  
I hope those findings are duplicated throughout the world. I'm a bit paranoid about the long term effects if the virus does stay in the bodies after being cured. Will the cured die younger because their immune system will be less efficient as they age?

FTA: " Other scientists have found higher levels of IgM, an antibody that appears in response to exposure to an antigen, in children, according to an article published on medRxiv. That suggests younger populations have the potential to produce a more potent defense against Covid-19. "

Could that be what is causing MIS-C? Can a pregnant woman with the virus pass it to her baby?


devine: You linked to a paywall. Downvote.


Close the page, clear all Bloomberg cookies, get your one free article. I do wish those sites were blacklisted on Fark.
 
2020-05-20 7:00:44 AM  

Dork Gently: Why do you reject the science?


I am questioning one single news article. That is all.
"Science" has not been heard from yet.
 
2020-05-20 7:01:58 AM  

Mouren: That isn't the source, the study would be the source. Which isn't linked in the article.


https://www.cdc.go.kr/board/board.es?​m​id=a30402000000&bid=0030 is the Korean CDC announcement.  Is there a journal article, even in preprint form?
 
2020-05-20 7:02:03 AM  
 
2020-05-20 7:02:04 AM  

talkertopc: I hope those findings are duplicated throughout the world. I'm a bit paranoid about the long term effects if the virus does stay in the bodies after being cured. Will the cured die younger because their immune system will be less efficient as they age?


What?
 
2020-05-20 7:03:33 AM  

FarkingChas: Dork Gently: Why do you reject the science?

I am questioning one single news article. That is all.
"Science" has not been heard from yet.


You can also read basically the same thing in the WSJ.  Or you could do what I did, and use Google to find the Korean CDC report.

Why do you double down in rejecting the science?
 
2020-05-20 7:03:46 AM  
How the hell does this guy manage to slip off my covidiot ignore list? Someone doing SQL whilst high?

Kerplunk, again.
 
2020-05-20 7:04:06 AM  

talkertopc: lose the page, clear all Bloomberg cookies, get your one free article. I do wish those sites were blacklisted on Fark.


Or don't reward these practices with traffic.
 
2020-05-20 7:05:13 AM  

talkertopc: I hope those findings are duplicated throughout the world.

I'm a bit paranoid about the long term effects if the virus does stay in the bodies after being cured. Will the cured die younger because their immune system will be less efficient as they age?


I have the same concerns. No one knows yet. Will this stay in you forever?
 
2020-05-20 7:05:39 AM  
What about those sailors that were reinfected after testing positive?
 
2020-05-20 7:06:40 AM  

solokumba: What about those sailors that were reinfected after testing positive?


Who said they were reinfected?
 
2020-05-20 7:09:31 AM  
sample size 285

chances they had a test that ended with a false negative to begin with? I would guess high
 
2020-05-20 7:10:59 AM  

Dork Gently: solokumba: What about those sailors that were reinfected after testing positive?

Who said they were reinfected?


Medical people i guess
 
2020-05-20 7:11:42 AM  

Dork Gently: FarkingChas: Dork Gently: I am not going to hold my breath waiting for apologies or confessions of error from the Very Serious Farkers who insisted that positive tests meant people could be reinfected and therefore had to be quarantined perhaps forever.

Way too soon for that. Just because this feeds your narrative does not mean it is true. Play video games to be in a fantasy world. Try to live in the real world when not gaming.

Why do you reject the science?

What evidence do you have that people can be reinfected, much less transmit viable virions, after they recover from COVID-19?  Have any of the studies you base your pessimism on used tests that check for virus viability, or only virus RNA?


One study is not enough to convince me, the first reports about the virus turned out to be unreliable, the first studies about that kind of thing often are which is why we need confirmations from other source and countries. I'm very pessimistic about the future Sars-cov-2 will impose on us but won't apologize when proven wrong because, unlike Trump and Musk,I do not pass my opinions as facts.
 
2020-05-20 7:12:44 AM  

solokumba: Dork Gently: solokumba: What about those sailors that were reinfected after testing positive?

Who said they were reinfected?

Medical people i guess


Ctrl+F infect ... No hits found.

Again, who said they were reinfected?
 
2020-05-20 7:14:31 AM  

Dork Gently: FarkingChas: Dork Gently: Why do you reject the science?

I am questioning one single news article. That is all.
"Science" has not been heard from yet.

You can also read basically the same thing in the WSJ.  Or you could do what I did, and use Google to find the Korean CDC report.

Why do you double down in rejecting the science?


One unpublished, non-peer reviewed study is not science.
 
2020-05-20 7:14:46 AM  
That sounds like great news, hopefully other studies confirm it. The better news is farther down where it says SARS patients still show immunity up to 17 years later. That gives a lot of hope for an effective vaccine and for lasting herd immunity, as opposed to seasonality.
 
2020-05-20 7:16:52 AM  

Mouren: One unpublished, non-peer reviewed study is not science.


It certainly can be. It's just not published or peer-reviewed, which would be hard to expect of work done in the middle of a pandemic the results of which are immediately relevant. Science is about methodology, not how many people have seen it.
 
2020-05-20 7:17:04 AM  

Mouren: Dork Gently: FarkingChas: Dork Gently: Why do you reject the science?

I am questioning one single news article. That is all.
"Science" has not been heard from yet.

You can also read basically the same thing in the WSJ.  Or you could do what I did, and use Google to find the Korean CDC report.

Why do you double down in rejecting the science?

One unpublished, non-peer reviewed study is not science.


Which peer-reviewed, published studies disagree with the South Korean CDC on this?
 
2020-05-20 7:25:19 AM  
https://outline.com/RFB3hZ

for those that want to read the article without that one weird trick
 
2020-05-20 7:25:26 AM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: Wait, so HugeDong3828102 *isn't* Chair of Epidemiology at Johns Hopkins? You're allowed to lie in your Twitter profile?


Hey, I went to high school with HugeDongOU812. Lost touch after graduation.
 
2020-05-20 7:28:54 AM  

Dork Gently: I am not going to hold my breath waiting for apologies or confessions of error from the Very Serious Farkers who insisted that positive tests meant people could be reinfected and therefore had to be quarantined perhaps forever.


Damn right, This study clearly means it's All Over and we need to go Reopen America First.

Goddamn snowflakes wanting "more studies" and "scientific consensus" I NEED A HAIRCUT
 
2020-05-20 7:33:00 AM  
The only thing reliable at this point is that no testing for this virus is reliable.
 
2020-05-20 7:39:02 AM  

FarkinNortherner: Citation needed? Here you go: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/​article/pii/B9780702039355000598


Thank you. I looked at the Bloomberg link and thought, "Billionaire Outlet Pushes Open Economy in Midst of Pandemic".
 
2020-05-20 7:43:51 AM  
This is hilarious, and demonstrates exactly why most of Fark is so unhinged and wishing for death. Any news of more infections, deaths, etc is automatically met with an "I told you so!", while also ignoring all contexts and validity.
Here we get good news that may support not hiding in you house until we may or may not find a vaccine and it's pure scepticism.
 
2020-05-20 7:45:55 AM  

devine: You linked to a paywall. Downvote.


We are the chorus, and we agree, we agree, we agree.
 
2020-05-20 7:47:33 AM  

Random Celebrity Insult Generator: https://outline.com/RFB3hZ

for those that want to read the article without that one weird trick


We are the chorus, and we approve, we approve, we approve.
 
2020-05-20 7:59:56 AM  

mayochamp: This is hilarious, and demonstrates exactly why most of Fark is so unhinged and wishing for death. Any news of more infections, deaths, etc is automatically met with an "I told you so!", while also ignoring all contexts and validity.
Here we get good news that may support not hiding in you house until we may or may not find a vaccine and it's pure scepticism.


Some people see skepticism.  Others see caution.

And when one of the people most vocally demanding that we accept this news at face value also vociferously defends concentration camps for children, I can't help but question the motives of the rest of you.

Meanwhile, this is exciting news.  If it is true, we should change nothing about our current approach.  If it is not true, we are going to have to spend considerable time and resources thinking about a new approach.

So if you want to charge headlong into the unknown, shielded from harm only by this research, that's up to you, I guess.

I'll continue to assume the worst because that's what responsible adults do until society has shown itself capable of picking up the slack in that worst case scenario.
 
2020-05-20 8:02:37 AM  

Mouren: That isn't the source, the study would be the source. Which isn't linked in the article.


For lack of a better word, I call this fake news.

I'm not denying the study exists, or the science is valid, just the reporting. There is a lot of reporting out there that doesn't cite sources. It's lazy, unprofessional, and in theory, could lead to abuse since most people will not independently verify the journalists claims. This applies to polls and surveys also.
 
2020-05-20 8:03:54 AM  
Yeah, finding the line between infected and infectious is gonna be difficult.

Fever broke for me on a Wednesday. Science at the time said wait 72 hours, if symptoms are getting better, no fever, +7 days since symptoms onset, you can leave isolation.

So I did. None of my family has gotten sick. I'm willing to bet I would have still tested positive if I was infected with covid, but unless ALL of my family went asymptomatic and I'm the ONLY one that got actually sick (possible, not likely), I didn't infect anyone.

Risky? Possibly. But you have to leave quarantine some time. Those seemed like the best guidelines to follow.
 
2020-05-20 8:07:45 AM  
If you get your news from twitter, facebook, or fark comments to begin with, I've got some bad news for you...
 
2020-05-20 8:12:59 AM  

FarkingChas: Dork Gently: I am not going to hold my breath waiting for apologies or confessions of error from the Very Serious Farkers who insisted that positive tests meant people could be reinfected and therefore had to be quarantined perhaps forever.

Way too soon for that. Just because this feeds your narrative does not mean it is true. Play video games to be in a fantasy world. Try to live in the real world when not gaming.


Your argument consists of: "But my ego!"

Please leave.
 
2020-05-20 8:13:18 AM  

jfclark27: Mouren: That isn't the source, the study would be the source. Which isn't linked in the article.

For lack of a better word, I call this fake news.

I'm not denying the study exists, or the science is valid, just the reporting. There is a lot of reporting out there that doesn't cite sources. It's lazy, unprofessional, and in theory, could lead to abuse since most people will not independently verify the journalists claims. This applies to polls and surveys also.


To be fair to the journalists, the South Korean CDC seems to have made it impractical to link directly to their report.  I provided a link up-thread, but it loads the list of press releases.  When you click on the first "notice", the URL stays the same.  And TFA does cite the source; the South Korean CDC's report is unsigned, so one cannot cite any author by name.
 
2020-05-20 8:14:50 AM  

FarkingChas: talkertopc: I hope those findings are duplicated throughout the world.

I'm a bit paranoid about the long term effects if the virus does stay in the bodies after being cured. Will the cured die younger because their immune system will be less efficient as they age?

I have the same concerns. No one knows yet. Will this stay in you forever?


I'm more concerned you will stay with us forever.
 
2020-05-20 8:15:07 AM  
Nobody is "rejecting the science", and there is no "science" to reject yet.
This is one, tiny study that has produced some hopeful results.
Let us all hope that it pans out.
In the meantime, let's not pretend that any "science' has been established yet.
Overconfidence and wishful thinking leads to guzzling aquarium sanitizer.
 
2020-05-20 8:15:19 AM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: Wait, so HugeDong3828102 *isn't* Chair of Epidemiology at Johns Hopkins? You're allowed to lie in your Twitter profile?


I smoked weed with Johnny Hopkins once.
 
2020-05-20 8:16:18 AM  
until next week when everything changes again.
 
2020-05-20 8:16:18 AM  

BeesNuts: I'll continue to assume the worst because that's what responsible adults do until society has shown itself capable of picking up the slack in that worst case scenario.


No you don't If you did you would also take into account all the other side effects of this way of dealing with the Virus that statistically kills very little productive members of society.  Yes that sounds heartless, but sometimes science is that way.  The individuals that care for our young and provide the resources to support the worlds current population are largely unaffected.  Putting 30% of those out of work by ordering them to remain at home, increases all kinds of other deaths related to those factors that are being totally ignored.  Not to mention global economic turmoil, threatening foodchains, and critical material supply chains.   All so we can protect the older and the sick, which if you really cared about data would see.

You are creating the worse scenerio, there is absolutely no data to back up
 
2020-05-20 8:16:50 AM  
The doom mongers are doing a fine job of outing themselves.

Should put a list together.
 
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