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(IMDB)   Future newspaper said The Flash goes missing DURING the Crisis, but he's gone missing well AFTER it (because season is over for now). Stargirl to the rescue in her debut on The CW at 8PM EDT, then the Legends get a literal taste of immortality at 9PM   (imdb.com) divider line
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2020-05-19 7:42:04 PM  
 
2020-05-19 7:45:29 PM  

BeerBear: waiting it to air but just saw this news: https://deadline.com/2020/05/ruby-rose​-exits-batwoman-dc-the-cw-series-to-re​cast-iconic-lead-role-season-2-shocker​-shakeup-1202938863/


Well, thats.... curious.

I'll give the arrowverse a watch. I've seen a few random eps of the various series here and there, and all of supergirl up until this most recent season. DVR'ing stargirl tonight.
 
2020-05-19 8:00:41 PM  
Well crap: CW episodes are usually 42 minutes and DC's yesterday was about 53 minutes.
 
2020-05-19 8:03:52 PM  
Holy fark! Really spent the money so far
 
2020-05-19 8:11:04 PM  
Hell of an opener.
 
2020-05-19 8:11:43 PM  
Saw the pilot yesterday. It's good, but I'm not sure if I'm going to like the Cosmic Staff being sentient. I have a feeling that it's a 'wacky quirk' that can get very old, very fast.
 
2020-05-19 8:13:18 PM  
What's the timeline on this? I mean what year is the opening set in? Late 70's early 80's and starman just happened to have a nice ride?
 
2020-05-19 8:14:17 PM  

RoyFokker'sGhost: Saw the pilot yesterday. It's good, but I'm not sure if I'm going to like the Cosmic Staff being sentient. I have a feeling that it's a 'wacky quirk' that can get very old, very fast.

Noice spoiler.
 
2020-05-19 8:17:31 PM  

COMALite J: RoyFokker'sGhost: Saw the pilot yesterday. It's good, but I'm not sure if I'm going to like the Cosmic Staff being sentient. I have a feeling that it's a 'wacky quirk' that can get very old, very fast.
Noice spoiler.


I read another post earlier about this. Apparently, folks who subscribe to the DC streaming service got(or get) first dibs before CW airs it.
 
2020-05-19 8:28:08 PM  
Not sure is going to get his butt kicked by Barbara.
You don't leave powerful staffs like that laying around where moody teenage girls can find them.
 
2020-05-19 8:29:47 PM  

jimmyjackfunk: COMALite J: RoyFokker'sGhost: Saw the pilot yesterday. It's good, but I'm not sure if I'm going to like the Cosmic Staff being sentient. I have a feeling that it's a 'wacky quirk' that can get very old, very fast.
Noice spoiler.

I read another post earlier about this. Apparently, folks who subscribe to the DC streaming service got(or get) first dibs before CW airs it.

Yeah, I figured that. I was talking about the basic etiquette of not posting spoilers in a LIVE thread. In all my years on Fark, the only Farkers I've ever set on Ignore were a couple jerks who typed "Hold the door" early on in the GoT thread in which a certain beloved character made his final stand.
 
2020-05-19 8:29:55 PM  

BeerBear: waiting it to air but just saw this news: https://deadline.com/2020/05/ruby-rose​-exits-batwoman-dc-the-cw-series-to-re​cast-iconic-lead-role-season-2-shocker​-shakeup-1202938863/


Have Sophie take over as Batwoman!
 
2020-05-19 8:31:28 PM  
Oh and just one thing.
There isn't any way that girl is going to be sent to the losers table. If anything ,teenage boys would be looking for a seat they can give her.
 
2020-05-19 8:34:44 PM  
That'll buff right out.
 
2020-05-19 8:37:43 PM  
Walking Dead crossover for LoT?
 
2020-05-19 8:39:13 PM  
I got the wife hooked on Legends. She really wants to watch after I showed her beebo. Should I tell about the curse that is those that shall not be named from season 1, or let her figure it out?
 
2020-05-19 9:00:52 PM  

jimmyjackfunk: I got the wife hooked on Legends. She really wants to watch after I showed her beebo. Should I tell about the curse that is those that shall not be named from season 1, or let her figure it out?

Season 1 is a different series entirely. Really, only the Waverider is a constant. No reason to watch it for continuity.

It had its moments (despite the H@wk$), and it looked to me like they were setting up a really interesting Big Bad for Season 2, but apparently they decided to go the humor route instead, and it's worked.
 
2020-05-19 9:04:48 PM  

jimmyjackfunk: I got the wife hooked on Legends. She really wants to watch after I showed her beebo. Should I tell about the curse that is those that shall not be named from season 1, or let her figure it out?


Well, you should warn her about the hox before she tries to watch the first season, sure.
 
2020-05-19 9:04:59 PM  
Dammit Rory.
 
2020-05-19 9:09:53 PM  

jimmyjackfunk: Dammit Rory.


You were saying?
 
2020-05-19 9:23:04 PM  

COMALite J: jimmyjackfunk: I got the wife hooked on Legends. She really wants to watch after I showed her beebo. Should I tell about the curse that is those that shall not be named from season 1, or let her figure it out?
Season 1 is a different series entirely. Really, only the Waverider is a constant. No reason to watch it for continuity.

It had its moments (despite the H@wk$), and it looked to me like they were setting up a really interesting Big Bad for Season 2, but apparently they decided to go the humor route instead, and it's worked.


The first season did set up a terrific cameo for when Constantine went to hell to rescue Ray.
 
2020-05-19 9:28:39 PM  
Nice Environmental Kill by Zari there
 
2020-05-19 9:29:20 PM  

Rob3Fan: COMALite J: jimmyjackfunk: I got the wife hooked on Legends. She really wants to watch after I showed her beebo. Should I tell about the curse that is those that shall not be named from season 1, or let her figure it out?
Season 1 is a different series entirely. Really, only the Waverider is a constant. No reason to watch it for continuity.

It had its moments (despite the H@wk$), and it looked to me like they were setting up a really interesting Big Bad for Season 2, but apparently they decided to go the humor route instead, and it's worked.

The first season did set up a terrific cameo for when Constantine went to hell to rescue Ray.

I'm trying to find the Fark post where I went into more detail, but in the series premiere one of the Time Master dudes name-dropped Per Degaton, who later appeared in the series as a teenager.

At one point, Rip Hunter has a short conversation with P.D. I broke it down and showed what all young Per would've learned from that, and it sure looked like they were setting him up to be one heck of a Big Bad.
 
2020-05-19 9:31:04 PM  
Immortality hath its advantages.
 
2020-05-19 9:40:37 PM  
Why does it seem that the Heroes with a farking time machine are always tje ones racing the clock?
 
2020-05-19 9:43:49 PM  
You figure with how many times they lost control of the Waverider they would have come up with a way to prevent it by now.
 
2020-05-19 9:46:10 PM  

sinner4ever: You figure with how many times they lost control of the Waverider they would have come up with a way to prevent it by now.


Same security system as Star Labs?
 
2020-05-19 9:53:07 PM  
When Constantine is carrying Zari through the junkyard, there's a zombie that looks like George Romero.
Watch for one that looks like this:
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2020-05-19 9:56:09 PM  

AintNoAmoeba: When Constantine is carrying Zari through the junkyard, there's a zombie that looks like George Romero.
Watch for one that looks like this:
[Fark user image 394x750]


Too late
 
2020-05-19 9:57:29 PM  
Go down to the Winchester and have a pint.
 
2020-05-19 10:06:54 PM  

BeerBear: waiting it to air but just saw this news: https://deadline.com/2020/05/ruby-rose​-exits-batwoman-dc-the-cw-series-to-re​cast-iconic-lead-role-season-2-shocker​-shakeup-1202938863/


It's Alice that needs to leave dammit!
 
2020-05-19 10:46:56 PM  

AintNoAmoeba: When Constantine is carrying Zari through the junkyard, there's a zombie that looks like George Romero.
Watch for one that looks like this:
[Fark user image image 394x750]


There was also a Linnea Quigley zombie 🧟♀
 
2020-05-19 10:52:22 PM  

COMALite J: Rob3Fan: COMALite J: jimmyjackfunk: I got the wife hooked on Legends. She really wants to watch after I showed her beebo. Should I tell about the curse that is those that shall not be named from season 1, or let her figure it out?
Season 1 is a different series entirely. Really, only the Waverider is a constant. No reason to watch it for continuity.

It had its moments (despite the H@wk$), and it looked to me like they were setting up a really interesting Big Bad for Season 2, but apparently they decided to go the humor route instead, and it's worked.

The first season did set up a terrific cameo for when Constantine went to hell to rescue Ray.
I'm trying to find the Fark post where I went into more detail, but in the series premiere one of the Time Master dudes name-dropped Per Degaton, who later appeared in the series as a teenager.

At one point, Rip Hunter has a short conversation with P.D. I broke it down and showed what all young Per would've learned from that, and it sure looked like they were setting him up to be one heck of a Big Bad.

Found it. It was in a thread before the Season 1 Finale, so I treated it as a spoiler even though it was speculation and did an HTML trick to make it hard to read unless you really wanted to.

Here's a copy-paste without that HTML trick but the other HTML intact:
____________________________​__________​____________________

Let's start with the actual dialog that took place between Rip Hunter and young Per Degaton:
PD: This isn't Kasnia.

RH: I thought a neutral site would be best for this.

PD: For what? Exchanging me?

RH: Did your father ever teach you to swim, Per Degaton? No, I imagine he had someone do it for him, didn't he? You're hardly lacking in tutors, are you... such as Mr. Savage.

PD: What are you talking about?

RH: My son Jonas always wanted to learn to swim. I promised him that I'd teach him, but there never seemed to be― time. My son never learned to swim, because he was killed.

PD: So― you brought me here to kill me.

RH: I brought you here to save my son's life, your life in exchange for his. I'm sorry.

♪♫

PD: No you're not. You're not sorry, because you're not going to kill me.

RH: I have to. To save my wife and son, I have to. I don't expect you to understand.

PD: It doesn't matter if I understand. I can see it in your eyes. You're not going to do it. You're like my father, weak.

[gun clicks, charges]

PD: Vandal Savage has taught me many things, including what a killer looks like. You're not a killer.

RH: Your tutor has taught you well, despite his ill intentions.

PD: Vandal loves me.

RH: Oh, he wants to use you as his pawn, and ultimately, he will betray you.

PD: No. No, he wouldn't.

RH: I've said to myself time and time again that there is nothing that I wouldn't do to save my wife and son, but now I know that there is. My reticence to kill you, Per Degaton, is not weakness. It is goodness. And if there is a shred of goodness inside of me, then I have to believe that there is a shred of goodness inside of you. Be the man that your father wants you to be, not the man Savage wants you to be.
And what do we learn from this?

In the comics, Per Degaton is a very evil and very brilliant dictator who takes over the world using time travel and manipulation of the timeline. In the episode "Progeny" he is shown as already very intelligent and ambitious. What would he learn from the above conversation, that lasted only about a minute?

• #1 ― That Rip Hunter has a son whom he says "was killed." Past tense! And yet, he almost immediately and repeatedly talks about saving his son. Conclusion: Rip Hunter must be some sort of time traveler or manipulator, for how else could an already-dead son be saved?

• #2 ― That Rip is motivated more strongly by this desire to save his son (and wife) than he is by any other consideration, other than as it turns out his personal morals. More strongly than he is by any desire to save the world or its future.

• #3 ― Rip warned Per that Vandal was going to betray him. While Per Degaton expressed disbelief of this at first, the very "weakness" he saw in Rip's refusal to kill a child even to save his own wife and son should also extend to a "weakness" against deception. Rip may be a "weak fool" in Degaton's eyes, but he would be a trustworthy one, and, being apparently from the future, Rip's assertion that Vandal Savage would betray Per would be a reliable recounting of what is history to Rip. Per Degaton, after some thought, would be inclined to believe it.

What else do we know from the episode? Gideon reports that Per Degaton makes his move and releases the virus four years earlier than he would have absent the events of this episode. So, he altered the implementation of his plans, very likely because of this conversation.

He knows (or at least has powerful reason to suspect) that Vandal Savage will betray him. He knows that time travel and manipulation are real, and that there are people who have access to that ability.

I suspect that in the season finale, Vandal Savage is defeated, but not by Our Heroes. He's defeated by Per Degaton, who betrays Vandal before Vandal can betray Per. I suspect that Per will trick Vandal into some sort of inescapable death trap that "kills" him over and over, forcing him to resurrect again and and again, only to be "killed" again before he can regain his strength and escape.

This leaves Per Degaton free to take over the world, but he's not satisfied with that. He knows that time travelers exist, so he researches it, and becomes an evil equivalent of a Time Master (like The Master is to Doctor Who), out to rule all of time, not just the present. He becomes the Big Bad of Season Two. Maybe he even conquers the Time Masters!

To make things really interesting, out of a twisted sense of "gratitude" to the man who not only warned him of Vandal's betrayal but also showed him the existence of time travel and manipulation, and also because of #2 above, Per Degaton does not kill Rip's wife and son. This removes Rip's primary motive to stop him, an indeed gives him powerful counter-motivation: if he and the Legends somehow thwart Per Degaton and restore the original timeline, Rip's wife and son Jonas die at the hands of Vandal Savage! If he lets Per Degaton have his way, Jonas and Mrs, Hunter live! This would be a major moral conundrum for the next season.
 
2020-05-19 11:55:51 PM  
"Bad stick!  Bad!"  LOL

You'd think with something that dangerous Pat would have at least put a lock on the crate.
 
2020-05-19 11:57:14 PM  

sinner4ever: Not sure is going to get his butt kicked by Barbara.
You don't leave powerful staffs like that laying around where moody teenage girls can find them.


Like I said, at least put a lock of the effing crate.
 
2020-05-19 11:57:30 PM  
ON the crate even.
 
2020-05-19 11:57:43 PM  
Seems like superman or girl would have ended the injustice league if they are all on one earth, why would a rich retired baddy come out for no real reason
 
2020-05-20 1:27:25 AM  

WillofJ2: Seems like superman or girl would have ended the injustice league if they are all on one earth, why would a rich retired baddy come out for no real reason


Stargirl takes place on the new Earth-2, according to the end of Crisis on Infinite Earths.
 
2020-05-20 2:41:34 AM  

Rob3Fan: Nice Environmental Kill by Zari there


Yeah.  Though would the airbag on a steering wheel with no power source deploy?
 
2020-05-20 2:59:37 AM  
Liked it a lot. Stargirl is Johns character so I expect him to do well with it.
 
2020-05-20 4:07:27 AM  

Rob3Fan: WillofJ2: Seems like superman or girl would have ended the injustice league if they are all on one earth, why would a rich retired baddy come out for no real reason

Stargirl takes place on the new Earth-2, according to the end of Crisis on Infinite Earths.

So, basically any Earth that had crosssed over with the main Arrowverse Earth (such as Earth-38 and for some reason whatever Earth Black Lightning was on even though I don't recall him being involved in the previous crossovers) got merged into Eartth-prime, but any other Earths in TV universes not directly connected with the Arrowverse such as the Titans Earth and now Stargirl's Earth, those survived but the main Earth never interacted with them and so has no knowledge of their existence, and presumably can't interact with them (unless Vibe regains his powers).

I was wondering. Since the Justice Society had the Golden-Age Jay Garrick Flash, would that have meant the return of John Wesley Shipp, or the history of Barry's encounters with the Golden-Age Flash from a few seasons ago work out differently?
 
2020-05-20 5:54:41 AM  
Legends:

(in more than one way)

Atropos brought a Zombie Apocalypse to England, making it that much harder to return to the stolen Waverider.

It's always a good episode when we get to see Gideon in the flesh.. she's smoking hot.  Only Gary could see her, but she certainly inspired him to greatness.. or at least a cheesy approximation of it.

John and Zari spent more time together, fighting zombies together, killing each other, hating each other, locking lips with each other..

The episode ended with a high body count.  Astra, Gary, Sara.. and likely most of the rest, left behind with the zombies.  That leaves Charlie pretending to rejoin her sisters as the last chance for success.

I didn't fork over money for Stargirl, sight unseen.  But I downloaded the CW app for the first time, so I'm about to find out if I can make it work.  I suspect a 'free' app means it'll have commercials..
 
2020-05-20 6:09:14 AM  

Alphax: I didn't fork over money for Stargirl, sight unseen. But I downloaded the CW app for the first time, so I'm about to find out if I can make it work. I suspect a 'free' app means it'll have commercials..


Yes. Un-skippable repetitive omnipresent commercials. 5 blocks per episode, 4 commercials per block. It's like watching OTA TV.
 
2020-05-20 6:17:59 AM  

ZMugg: Alphax: I didn't fork over money for Stargirl, sight unseen. But I downloaded the CW app for the first time, so I'm about to find out if I can make it work. I suspect a 'free' app means it'll have commercials..

Yes. Un-skippable repetitive omnipresent commercials. 5 blocks per episode, 4 commercials per block. It's like watching OTA TV.


So I see..
 
2020-05-20 6:57:11 AM  

COMALite J: Rob3Fan: WillofJ2: Seems like superman or girl would have ended the injustice league if they are all on one earth, why would a rich retired baddy come out for no real reason

Stargirl takes place on the new Earth-2, according to the end of Crisis on Infinite Earths.
So, basically any Earth that had crosssed over with the main Arrowverse Earth (such as Earth-38 and for some reason whatever Earth Black Lightning was on even though I don't recall him being involved in the previous crossovers) got merged into Eartth-prime, but any other Earths in TV universes not directly connected with the Arrowverse such as the Titans Earth and now Stargirl's Earth, those survived but the main Earth never interacted with them and so has no knowledge of their existence, and presumably can't interact with them (unless Vibe regains his powers).

I was wondering. Since the Justice Society had the Golden-Age Jay Garrick Flash, would that have meant the return of John Wesley Shipp, or the history of Barry's encounters with the Golden-Age Flash from a few seasons ago work out differently?


Not quite. At the end of Crisis Spectre says that there was only one Earth left, but then a new multiverse formed. So who knows why that happened. Maybe a single universe can't exist naturally or maybe Spectre helped it along. They can still interact with the alternate Earths using the tech gadgets that Cisco made and the versions that let other dimensional travelers get through but Cisco said that you need to know the frequency of another Earth to travel to it. So it's like having the Stargate but not the dialing sequences. And right now they don't know the multiverse exists so nobody has been trying to cross.   Plus Flash can still jump dimensions if he moves fast enough. So no doubt Stargirl will meet the gang at some point. Probably at least once before the next crossover.
 
2020-05-20 7:57:02 AM  
Stargirl looks to be quite fun. Legends continues to be a hoot.

Ruby Rose's injury on the Batgirl set cannot be making life any easier for her at all. I'd be okay if the whole series just went away. I can't say it was miscast. Rose did very nicely on Orange is the New Black and managed a respectable action profile in John Wick. But the Batgirl scripts were so intensely laboured, dull, miserable, and monotonous that it would have been a substantial challenge for any actor to make the titular character worth watching.
 
2020-05-20 9:01:58 AM  
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2020-05-20 7:49:03 PM  

COMALite J: Rob3Fan: WillofJ2: Seems like superman or girl would have ended the injustice league if they are all on one earth, why would a rich retired baddy come out for no real reason

Stargirl takes place on the new Earth-2, according to the end of Crisis on Infinite Earths.
So, basically any Earth that had crosssed over with the main Arrowverse Earth (such as Earth-38 and for some reason whatever Earth Black Lightning was on even though I don't recall him being involved in the previous crossovers) got merged into Eartth-prime, but any other Earths in TV universes not directly connected with the Arrowverse such as the Titans Earth and now Stargirl's Earth, those survived but the main Earth never interacted with them and so has no knowledge of their existence, and presumably can't interact with them (unless Vibe regains his powers).

I was wondering. Since the Justice Society had the Golden-Age Jay Garrick Flash, would that have meant the return of John Wesley Shipp, or the history of Barry's encounters with the Golden-Age Flash from a few seasons ago work out differently?


I'm late to the party, but for what I understand, all Earths were destroyed in Crises, or merged into making Earth Prime.

But yes, then they showed Star Girl on Earth 2 which leads me to believe that what the Arrowverse folks thought was wrong and there IS in fact one more Earth out there.  Opening up to a crossover, if warranted.
 
2020-05-20 8:05:41 PM  

buntz: COMALite J: Rob3Fan: WillofJ2: Seems like superman or girl would have ended the injustice league if they are all on one earth, why would a rich retired baddy come out for no real reason

Stargirl takes place on the new Earth-2, according to the end of Crisis on Infinite Earths.
So, basically any Earth that had crosssed over with the main Arrowverse Earth (such as Earth-38 and for some reason whatever Earth Black Lightning was on even though I don't recall him being involved in the previous crossovers) got merged into Eartth-prime, but any other Earths in TV universes not directly connected with the Arrowverse such as the Titans Earth and now Stargirl's Earth, those survived but the main Earth never interacted with them and so has no knowledge of their existence, and presumably can't interact with them (unless Vibe regains his powers).

I was wondering. Since the Justice Society had the Golden-Age Jay Garrick Flash, would that have meant the return of John Wesley Shipp, or the history of Barry's encounters with the Golden-Age Flash from a few seasons ago work out differently?

I'm late to the party, but for what I understand, all Earths were destroyed in Crises, or merged into making Earth Prime.

But yes, then they showed Star Girl on Earth 2 which leads me to believe that what the Arrowverse folks thought was wrong and there IS in fact one more Earth out there.  Opening up to a crossover, if warranted.

At the end of the Crisis, the final scene showed that the Multiverse still existed, but only for non-Arrowverse properties. All of the Arrowverse worlds have been merged. The main thing is that Supergirl is now on the same Earth as Batwoman and the Flash (and the Arrow team but they no longer have a series) and Black Lightning (but he's only tangentially part of the Arrowverse). Things like Titans and Stargirl are on different Earths, and presumably there is no contact between them (mainly because with different production companies, crossovers are less viable, but I was looking for the in-universe explanation).
 
2020-05-20 8:24:54 PM  

COMALite J: The main thing is that Supergirl is now on the same Earth as Batwoman and the Flash (and the Arrow team but they no longer have a series) and Black Lightning (but he's only tangentially part of the Arrowverse). Things like Titans and Stargirl are on different Earths, and presumably there is no contact between them (mainly because with different production companies, crossovers are less viable ...


True, but there is no reason why they COULDN'T crossover down the road.  Black Lightning didn't crossover before because of filming locations (I believe Arrowverse shows are Vancouver but Black LIghtning was filmed in Atlanta?).  I don't know if they moved filming locations or just finally paid to fly hi in for Crisis, but he's part of the Arrowverse Justice League after ONE crossover for what it's worth!

The CW is sticking on the cancelled Swamp Thing because they have nothing else to show this summer.  I have NO doubts it could prove to be a hit, and get renewed ON the CW (like Constantine)

Legends have met their Earth Justice Society so there is NO reason why they couldn't crossover with the new Earth.  Also, and maybe I'm reading into things, but the picture that Pat had of the Justice Society, the picture of Jay Garrick was creased over his face so it's not CLEAR who it is.

Ok, I just looked, maybe I'm wrong.  I still think it's a possibility:

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So ANYWAY, all that being said, I didn't want to watch another show.  I said "I'll give it one shot, just in case I need to know something for future crossovers" and I ended up really liking it and now would prefer to give up Flash (his superpower is Love) AND Batwoman (although I'd curious how they're handle the new Batwoman since Ruby Rose mysteriously quit) but you take away my Legends when you pry them from my cold, dead hands!
 
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