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(CNN)   This Memorial Day America will raise its new flag: A white flag but with a Covid-19 infected American flag on it. All states will be at least partially reopened despite Covid-19 increasing in 19 of them   (edition.cnn.com) divider line
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2020-05-19 5:27:31 PM  
According to the numbers I've been keeping, we go over 100,000 deaths this weekend.
 
2020-05-19 6:30:42 PM  
A white flag but with a Covid-19 infected American flag on it.

I honestly can't make sense of this sentence.
 
2020-05-19 9:53:03 PM  
The mayor from Jaws would be proud.
 
2020-05-19 9:56:56 PM  

Nadie_AZ: According to the numbers I've been keeping, we go over 100,000 deaths this weekend.


I know an otherwise sane individual who claims that Covid deaths are getting over-reported because hospitals get more money from the government to treat Covid.

/ I asked him if he thought that Donny's advisors and industry observers were failing him in this case; as it is their job to keep that shiat from happening and it makes Donny look bad.

// he hadn't considered the problem from that perspective
 
2020-05-19 9:57:30 PM  
Submitter's brain surrenders.
 
2020-05-19 10:00:08 PM  
I understand the economy can't be shut down indefinitely. But this is no longer a health issue. Too many dumb as fark 'Mercans think the worst is over, and will be reckless. 200,000 dead by September, and then the second wave, and flu season, and we're screwed.
 
2020-05-19 10:03:06 PM  
We shall see what we shall see. In the end, you can't explain dead bodies away.
People are dumb, but they can count.
 
2020-05-19 10:03:51 PM  
Man, Democracy is just killing it here.
 
2020-05-19 10:04:18 PM  
Are the increasing states red states?
 
2020-05-19 10:04:25 PM  
I'll be remembering how the right wing held plague spreading rallies to kill as many Americans as possible. We're about to crack 2 Vietnam war's worth in the span of a few months, good job plague rats.
 
2020-05-19 10:09:01 PM  

Nadie_AZ: According to the numbers I've been keeping, we go over 100,000 deaths this weekend.


Its already over that.

Meanwhile in Brazil today they had 16 000+ cases, which would be like 25 000 in the US.

Brazil is what happens when a fascist bastard runs the country and theres no governors to stop his insanity.
 
2020-05-19 10:11:36 PM  
We're curving the flat.
 
2020-05-19 10:11:57 PM  
Restaurants and malls open up for inside dining and in store shopping this Friday here.
What could possibly go wrong?
I'm sure everyone will behave.
I think I'll let other people dip a toe in the tainted water first.
 
2020-05-19 10:13:13 PM  

hoohoodilly: I understand the economy can't be shut down indefinitely. But this is no longer a health issue. Too many dumb as fark 'Mercans think the worst is over, and will be reckless. 200,000 dead by September, and then the second wave, and flu season, and we're screwed.


Don't forget hurricane season in the southeast. I don't recollect this year's forecast, but feel free to imagine a cat 5 making landfall anywhere near a major city while undergoing any outbreak. You'll have both evacuee diaspora across the country and folks who stay and requires hospitalization. Anyone know if COVID-19 can spread through water? A couple of nursing homes lose power and flood or some bodies start rotting...
 
2020-05-19 10:14:13 PM  

Iworkformsn: Are the increasing states red states?


I can't find the list in the article

The NY Times does their own analysis and has eight states increasing. I'm not sure how they deterimine this, and the states in that group seems very sensitive to daily fluctuations from my observations. Still, they are an interesting "grab bag" perhaps reflecting the somewhat random nature of how diseases spread.


Texas, North Carolina, Minnesota, Arizona, Alabama, Delaware, Arkansas, North Dakota, Maine, and Wyoming.
 
2020-05-19 10:18:50 PM  

eiger: Iworkformsn: Are the increasing states red states?

I can't find the list in the article

The NY Times does their own analysis and has eight states increasing. I'm not sure how they deterimine this, and the states in that group seems very sensitive to daily fluctuations from my observations. Still, they are an interesting "grab bag" perhaps reflecting the somewhat random nature of how diseases spread.


Texas, North Carolina, Minnesota, Arizona, Alabama, Delaware, Arkansas, North Dakota, Maine, and Wyoming.


Apparently, I can't count. It's ten states.
 
2020-05-19 10:21:56 PM  

Nadie_AZ: According to the numbers I've been keeping, we go over 100,000 deaths this weekend.


And that's just the numbers they feed us.
 
2020-05-19 10:28:55 PM  
I bet we'll be over 200 000 dead by mid-june, officially in august or september.

We need some real excess deaths numbers, I bet we'll see we're already over 150 000.

In Europe they are at 160 000+ deaths with about the same population and europeans arent as dumb as Muricans.
 
2020-05-19 10:34:35 PM  
Coronavirus flag?

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No wait, that's something else.
 
2020-05-19 10:40:54 PM  

lolmao500: I bet we'll be over 200 000 dead by mid-june, officially in august or september.

We need some real excess deaths numbers, I bet we'll see we're already over 150 000.

In Europe they are at 160 000+ deaths with about the same population and europeans arent as dumb as Muricans.


The 152 000 death toll from last week in Europe includes about 432 million people, if you do the maths, with US population of 330 million, the US should be at around 116 000 deaths... considering that US states closed way later than in Europe and theres a lot more plague rats in Murica than in Europe, I bet its worse than that.
 
2020-05-19 10:47:06 PM  

palelizard: hoohoodilly: I understand the economy can't be shut down indefinitely. But this is no longer a health issue. Too many dumb as fark 'Mercans think the worst is over, and will be reckless. 200,000 dead by September, and then the second wave, and flu season, and we're screwed.

Don't forget hurricane season in the southeast. I don't recollect this year's forecast, but feel free to imagine a cat 5 making landfall anywhere near a major city while undergoing any outbreak. You'll have both evacuee diaspora across the country and folks who stay and requires hospitalization. Anyone know if COVID-19 can spread through water? A couple of nursing homes lose power and flood or some bodies start rotting...


Coronaviruses are not stable in water, per an article I read recently about swimming at the beach (NYTimes?)
 
2020-05-19 10:50:20 PM  
I think we are about to see some bad shiat go down in Brazil. The piece I just watched is not painting a pretty picture. Hospitals have less than 2 weeks supplies and beds are near full. As it tears through the favelas rioting is likely to start on a massive scale in a confined area.
This is a hot climate that is not slowing COVID-19 in the slightest
All while the Brazilian government has less of a plan than America
 
2020-05-19 10:55:22 PM  

a far candle: Restaurants and malls open up for inside dining and in store shopping this Friday here.
What could possibly go wrong?
I'm sure everyone will behave.
I think I'll let other people dip a toe in the tainted water first.


"In chess the pawns go first"
I am with you in this. My work isn't considering reopening for a few more weeks at least. Will be interesting to see what happens in that time.

/ Not hopeful.
// Not looking forward to the ' told you so' for my redcap family.
//- Third slashy caught covid.
 
2020-05-19 11:07:25 PM  
 
2020-05-19 11:15:26 PM  
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2020-05-19 11:33:48 PM  
Remember when everyone was saying there would be no demand for restaurants and businesses to open and people would stay home?

So much demand the cops couldn't even maintain control

Yeah, me neither.
 
2020-05-19 11:36:39 PM  

theToadMan: I think we are about to see some bad shiat go down in Brazil. The piece I just watched is not painting a pretty picture. Hospitals have less than 2 weeks supplies and beds are near full. As it tears through the favelas rioting is likely to start on a massive scale in a confined area.
This is a hot climate that is not slowing COVID-19 in the slightest
All while the Brazilian government has less of a plan than America


America was objectively the country most prepared for a pandemic a few years ago; we may not have the per capita beds that other countries have, but our CDC, fiscal might, and rule of law was supposed to have us in good standing compared to the rest of the world to respond. Other places will see health systems overwhelmed much faster than ours, driving up the case fatality rate.

Looking at countries like Brazil and Ecuador, this is going to get real bad, real fast. Just take a look at what happened / is happening in Guayaquil.
 
2020-05-19 11:39:32 PM  
It is a virus. It does not care who you vote for. It does not care what day it is. It does not care what state, county, city, or municipality you live in. It does not care what color you are. It is going to keep spreading because morons don't understand it is a virus, not a political machination, and it simply doesn't give a fark about anything except multiplying.
 
2020-05-19 11:43:16 PM  

Hey Nurse!: It is a virus. It does not care who you vote for. It does not care what day it is. It does not care what state, county, city, or municipality you live in. It does not care what color you are. It is going to keep spreading because morons don't understand it is a virus, not a political machination, and it simply doesn't give a fark about anything except multiplying.


Yup. Which is why everyone is going to get it sooner or later. You can hide in your basement as much as you can, but at some point, there will be a transmission vector and you will get it.

Flattening the curve was never about keeping people from getting it; it was to slow the transmission to a reasonable level for our limited healthcare capacity.

What we need to do is keep the weak and elderly contained and quarantined and allow the remainder of the world to get back to work.

If you're going to catch it, you're going to catch it. Might as well prepare yourself for that eventuality and deal with the psychological aspect today. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
2020-05-20 12:04:54 AM  
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2020-05-20 12:24:06 AM  

FarkBucket18: Hey Nurse!: It is a virus. It does not care who you vote for. It does not care what day it is. It does not care what state, county, city, or municipality you live in. It does not care what color you are. It is going to keep spreading because morons don't understand it is a virus, not a political machination, and it simply doesn't give a fark about anything except multiplying.

Yup. Which is why everyone is going to get it sooner or later. You can hide in your basement as much as you can, but at some point, there will be a transmission vector and you will get it.

Flattening the curve was never about keeping people from getting it; it was to slow the transmission to a reasonable level for our limited healthcare capacity.

What we need to do is keep the weak and elderly contained and quarantined and allow the remainder of the world to get back to work.

If you're going to catch it, you're going to catch it. Might as well prepare yourself for that eventuality and deal with the psychological aspect today. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯


its not mandatory you catch it. I've spent 3 to 4, 12 hour shifts a week on an ICU-CVD unit since March. Mask, gloves, sanitizer, hand washing, proper ppe, etc - it can be done. But that's in a controlled environment and i don't have 4 out of 10 of my patients screaming it's a hoax and refusing to obey the rules
 
2020-05-20 12:26:48 AM  
S-S-S-S-S-S-SAIGON
SAIGON
 
2020-05-20 12:30:29 AM  

Ambitwistor: Coronavirus flag?

[upload.wikimedia.org image 375x360]

No wait, that's something else.


"I'm pretty sure it's anus."
 
2020-05-20 12:41:21 AM  

FarkBucket18: Hey Nurse!: It is a virus. It does not care who you vote for. It does not care what day it is. It does not care what state, county, city, or municipality you live in. It does not care what color you are. It is going to keep spreading because morons don't understand it is a virus, not a political machination, and it simply doesn't give a fark about anything except multiplying.

Yup. Which is why everyone is going to get it sooner or later. You can hide in your basement as much as you can, but at some point, there will be a transmission vector and you will get it.

Flattening the curve was never about keeping people from getting it; it was to slow the transmission to a reasonable level for our limited healthcare capacity.

What we need to do is keep the weak and elderly contained and quarantined and allow the remainder of the world to get back to work.

If you're going to catch it, you're going to catch it. Might as well prepare yourself for that eventuality and deal with the psychological aspect today. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯


Yes, because no elderly or weak people work, and no one works with elderly or weak people. Also, people live in multi-generational homes, as well as with individuals who are immune compromised, have comorbidities, or are otherwise vulnerable

Isolating entire vulnerable populations isn't easy, certainly not as easy as "everyone else go back to work."

Shutting down was supposed to flatten the curve, allow us to ramp up production of safety equipment, come up with test/trace/isolate framework and capabilities, and learn more about the virus and possibly find therapeutics.

We have done very little of everything after "flatten the curve."
 
2020-05-20 1:27:25 AM  

LockeOak: palelizard: hoohoodilly: I understand the economy can't be shut down indefinitely. But this is no longer a health issue. Too many dumb as fark 'Mercans think the worst is over, and will be reckless. 200,000 dead by September, and then the second wave, and flu season, and we're screwed.

Don't forget hurricane season in the southeast. I don't recollect this year's forecast, but feel free to imagine a cat 5 making landfall anywhere near a major city while undergoing any outbreak. You'll have both evacuee diaspora across the country and folks who stay and requires hospitalization. Anyone know if COVID-19 can spread through water? A couple of nursing homes lose power and flood or some bodies start rotting...

Coronaviruses are not stable in water, per an article I read recently about swimming at the beach (NYTimes?)


Well, I guess that's a plus.
 
2020-05-20 2:48:10 AM  

FarkBucket18: Hey Nurse!: It is a virus. It does not care who you vote for. It does not care what day it is. It does not care what state, county, city, or municipality you live in. It does not care what color you are. It is going to keep spreading because morons don't understand it is a virus, not a political machination, and it simply doesn't give a fark about anything except multiplying.

Yup. Which is why everyone is going to get it sooner or later. You can hide in your basement as much as you can, but at some point, there will be a transmission vector and you will get it.

Flattening the curve was never about keeping people from getting it; it was to slow the transmission to a reasonable level for our limited healthcare capacity.

What we need to do is keep the weak and elderly contained and quarantined and allow the remainder of the world to get back to work.

If you're going to catch it, you're going to catch it. Might as well prepare yourself for that eventuality and deal with the psychological aspect today. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯


I think we all understand why we wanted to flatten the curve, but not why we've apparently decided not to try and keep it flat.
 
2020-05-20 5:37:25 AM  
"I don't think I'm vulnerable, so go ahead and let [other people] die from it."
 
2020-05-20 8:42:57 AM  
Yes, but the level of "reopening" varies greatly.  Maryland is in its first phase of reopening...other than opening tennis courts and golf courses, it's the same as when it was closed.  Technically, salons can have 50% occupancy, but everything is by appointment only and not all counties/cities are allowing it.

That's a far sight different than what's happening in TX or GA.

I am curious as to what might happen in Baltimore over the summer if people can't go to the pool/get cool and/or if they start evictions/shutting off electric for nonpayment again.  It's not like there's never any riots.
 
2020-05-20 9:43:11 AM  

jso2897: We shall see what we shall see. In the end, you can't explain dead bodies away.
People are dumb, but they can count.


People can't count.  And I can prove it.

How many people are ignoring the 1-2 in 100 chance that they will die if they get infected, or the 1 in 5 chance they will be permanently disabled, because "it ain't happened to anybody I know"...  but buy lottery tickets because there is a 1 in 100 billion chance they will win, because that one guy two states over won it just last month?

You also NEVER hear people say that nobody ever wins the lottery, it's all fake, even though that is much more plausible a conspiracy theory.  (And was even a subplot in "1984")
 
2020-05-20 10:00:22 AM  

Wyalt Derp: I think we all understand why we wanted to flatten the curve, but not why we've apparently decided not to try and keep it flat.


Because people are being told they can't work and have lost their ability to pay rent, pay their mortgage, buy food, or support their families? Like, this isn't very hard to figure out. This country was built on the idea of self-reliance, so is it any surprise that people who can't work want to work and people who can't enjoy life want to enjoy their lives?

Like, here, just a few days ago, I was told there was absolutely NO WAY people wanted to go out and enjoy bars and restaurants and enjoy their lives and yet, here in ultra-blue, Democratic stronghold, Cleveland, bars and restaurants had lines out the doors and so many people showed up, the police had trouble maintaining order. That sounds like HUGE latent demand to me.
 
2020-05-20 12:25:42 PM  

Ambitwistor: Coronavirus flag?

[upload.wikimedia.org image 375x360]

No wait, that's something else.


The new Presidential Seal.
 
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