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(CNN)   "Republican AGs tell judge to drop Michael Flynn's case, stay out of politics" read Judge Sullivan just before shooting coffee through nose   (edition.cnn.com) divider line
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6 days ago  
We don' need no "law". This is politics!
 
6 days ago  
Rule of law is dead in this country.
 
6 days ago  
Nice courtroom you have here. It would be a shame if something happened to it.

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6 days ago  
So they're admitting that Barr's actions are political?

Well, I mean...we knew it but we didn't expect the GOP to just confirm it. At least until Trump started bragging about it.
 
6 days ago  

Marcus Aurelius: Rule of law is dead in this country.


Apparently when it concerns the GOP and especially Trump's cronies.
 
6 days ago  
Sullivan is reputed to be completely unflappable, so I doubt anything could make him shoot coffee out his nose.  No matter how this comes out, one side of the debate will be upset and start accusing Sullivan of being biased or unprofessional or whatever else.  Ignore that.  They picked the best for this task.
 
6 days ago  
LOL... flex more, assholes.
 
6 days ago  
The AGs' brief on Monday was signed by top prosecutors from Alabama, Alaska, Arkansas, Florida, Georgia, Indiana, Louisiana, Mississippi, Missouri, Oklahoma, Ohio, South Carolina, Texas, Utah and West Virginia.Ohio Attorney General Dave Yost is the lead writer on the filingI hope someone in DC is making a list.
 
6 days ago  

growinthings: Marcus Aurelius: Rule of law is dead in this country.

Apparently when it concerns the GOP and especially Trump's cronies.


It's been that way since Nixon. We stopped holding Republicans accountable for anything decades ago and now the same people who refuse to hold them accountable wonder why Republicans are such gaping assholes now.

And that's why we're teetering on the edge of dictatorship. Nobody fights back against corrupt Republicans.
 
6 days ago  
This trend is disastrous for the Judiciary, because it erodes public confidence in the courts' ability to serve as neutral arbiters in politically sensitive cases.


the Republican Attorneys General Association wrote with apparently zero self-awareness.
 
6 days ago  
Don't be political we'll be political. Now do you understand!
 
6 days ago  
I'm going to file a motion to dismiss every traffic ticket I ever paid.

/Haven't had a ticket in years
 
6 days ago  

Marcus Aurelius: The AGs' brief on Monday was signed by top prosecutors from Alabama, Alaska, Arkansas, Florida, Georgia, Indiana, Louisiana, Mississippi, Missouri, Oklahoma, Ohio, South Carolina, Texas, Utah and West Virginia.Ohio Attorney General Dave Yost is the lead writer on the filingI hope someone in DC is making a list.


Georgia's A.G. is elected. I think his next run (if he runs for reelection) is 2022. I'm not confident that many of the "down ballot" races will be competitive then. The Governor's race will be.
 
6 days ago  
My question is...only 15?

...

Tomorrow's headline: "300 Democrat (and a few Republican) AGs tell judge NOT to drop Michael Flynn's case"
 
6 days ago  
Judge's response: "Okay, so what legal justification that has absolutely nothing to do with politics do you have for asking me to set aside Mr. Flynn's conviction and sentence?"

GOP: *crickets*
 
6 days ago  
Judge:
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6 days ago  

Marcus Aurelius: The AGs' brief on Monday was signed by top prosecutors from Alabama, Alaska, Arkansas, Florida, Georgia, Indiana, Louisiana, Mississippi, Missouri, Oklahoma, Ohio, South Carolina, Texas, Utah and West Virginia.Ohio Attorney General Dave Yost is the lead writer on the filingI hope someone in DC is making a list.


Seems like an admission that sometimes they like to see embarrassing cases just go away and they wouldn't want a judge doing the same to them; Sullivan rolled around on the carcass of the Stevens case when Holder tried to withdraw it because it was clear that there was prosecutorial malfeasance and he wanted to name and shame the responsible parties. Shouldn't Sullivan do the same if Shea was correct that the decision to pursue Flynn was improper and was grossly unfair to the defendent? A full airing of the case could be used to shame Flynn if that is correct.

Of course the fact 2000 career DOJ people advocated Barr resign for trying to withdraw the case and the AG statement against Sullivan is simply "turn a blind eye, let prosecutors handle our own shiat" it seems pretty apparent that they highly suspect that Mueller's team is not who Sullivan is likely to determine behaved inappropriately.
 
6 days ago  
These high up criminal farkers won't see justice short of a pitchfork party.

I'll bring the tar.
 
6 days ago  
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Please, do tell us more about how to keep politics out of the judicial process ...
 
6 days ago  
I find it amusing that the Texas AG who is and has been under indictment for securities fraud is one of the authors. He must have taken time away from his busy schedule of voter suppression efforts to provide his input.
 
6 days ago  

Nabb1: Sullivan is reputed to be completely unflappable, so I doubt anything could make him shoot coffee out his nose.  No matter how this comes out, one side of the debate will be upset and start accusing Sullivan of being biased or unprofessional or whatever else.  Ignore that.  They picked the best for this task.


Unless Flynn gets off. Then Sullivan is unprofessional and biased.
 
6 days ago  

synithium: These high up criminal farkers won't see justice short of a pitchfork party.

I'll bring the tar.


You don't use pitchforks with tar. See this is why the founders feared the mob. Vigilante justice should be calculated.
 
6 days ago  
He should back off. I hear the republicans have testimony from a young woman who believes she was, as a little girl, abducted by a certain Sullivan who kept her for a couple if days. She described his actions as monstrous. Could it had been Judge Sullivan? We'll be asking questions about this case and the judge's connection to any pizza places and their basements.

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6 days ago  

Marcus Aurelius: The AGs' brief on Monday was signed by top prosecutors from Alabama, Alaska, Arkansas, Florida, Georgia, Indiana, Louisiana, Mississippi, Missouri, Oklahoma, Ohio, South Carolina, Texas, Utah and West Virginia.Ohio Attorney General Dave Yost is the lead writer on the filingI hope someone in DC is making a list.


yeah, the Indiana AG recently had his law license revoked and is facing investigation for multiple sexual assaults... a true republican.
 
6 days ago  

Unobtanium: I'm going to file a motion to dismiss every traffic ticket I ever paid.

/Haven't had a ticket in years


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There is a case to be made that 1001 is overly broad and is ripe for abuse. Changing that law is certainly something we should look into. Nope; much like FISA we are going to pretend it is outrageous that it caught Our Guy while either ignoring or working to dismantle the protections in place for other defendants.
 
6 days ago  
Trump can pardon Flynn after he is convicted and Stone at any time.  Can the President pre-pardon those suspected of or on trial for crimes?  Or has Barr arranged for pardons, signed but not dated for the entire administration?
The law is for the little people.
And as always, way to deal with the real crisis in this country GOP, apparently they have nothing better to do.  Maybe they can sit with Donald and watch the Masters tournaments from 1982 to 2006?
Does anyone else wonder if #45, Barr, and Powell are threatening governors to support their criminal activities or will be excluded from all forms of aid?  Good times.
 
6 days ago  
This is like when Peter Gammons (sports columnist for those who don't know him) DARES to share his opinion on anything but sports. The R's descend like gnats telling him to "stay in his lane" and "just write about sports."

So, same thing. Except, you know, this is a judge. Whose job is to interpret and apply the law.
 
6 days ago  

wejash: So they're admitting that Barr's actions are political?

Well, I mean...we knew it but we didn't expect the GOP to just confirm it. At least until Trump started bragging about it.


They've been saying the quiet part loud for years.
 
6 days ago  
He's pled guilty.  Is it still a "prosecutorial decision"?
 
6 days ago  

sdd2000: I find it amusing that the Texas AG who is and has been under indictment for securities fraud is one of the authors. He must have taken time away from his busy schedule of voter suppression efforts to provide his input.


That guy is the biggest piece of shiat.
 
6 days ago  

AdmirableSnackbar: It's been that way since Nixon.


you need to talk to non-whites...you never had it
 
6 days ago  
I do not wish to hear the phrase "prosecutorial discretion" ever again. This is what Barr and his ilk does. Dismiss heinous crimes of the cronies and dress it up in language obscure to the common clay of the new midwest but it sounds authoritative and legal
 
6 days ago  
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Any Indiana Farkers have the phone number to their State Supreme Court?

Sounds like your pervert AG is conducting business without a license against court orders.
 
6 days ago  

Grungehamster: Unobtanium: I'm going to file a motion to dismiss every traffic ticket I ever paid.

/Haven't had a ticket in years

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There is a case to be made that 1001 is overly broad and is ripe for abuse. Changing that law is certainly something we should look into. Nope; much like FISA we are going to pretend it is outrageous that it caught Our Guy while either ignoring or working to dismantle the protections in place for other defendants.


I completely agree.  What happened to Flynn was arguably unseemly and unfair, but there are probably a thousand cases where people have been convicted of the same thing when the actual underlying crime was either minimal or wasn't even proven or even ultimately charged (Martha Stewart).  If Barr is doing this for Flynn, I would prefer he have the DOJ review all such cases and file similar motions in those.  If he was doing that, I would be more comfortable with this.  And while it would be improper for a judge to look at the case in front of him in the context of other unrelated cases, it would be far more just to change the whole system and overturn some other convictions.
 
6 days ago  

Northern: Trump can pardon Flynn after he is convicted and Stone at any time.  Can the President pre-pardon those suspected of or on trial for crimes?  Or has Barr arranged for pardons, signed but not dated for the entire administration?
The law is for the little people.
And as always, way to deal with the real crisis in this country GOP, apparently they have nothing better to do.  Maybe they can sit with Donald and watch the Masters tournaments from 1982 to 2006?
Does anyone else wonder if #45, Barr, and Powell are threatening governors to support their criminal activities or will be excluded from all forms of aid?  Good times.


First part: true, he can pardon them at any time, though it may have actually sunk in that doing so right before the election is maybe not the best idea, and there's really no harm in waiting because he'll still have that opportunity afterwards win or lose.
 
6 days ago  

Northern: Can the President pre-pardon those suspected of or on trial for crimes?


didnt he kind of do that with Arpiao?
 
6 days ago  
I'm just relieved that my state didn't join in on this particular circle of stupid. I (legitimately) wonder why?
 
6 days ago  
At what point can we start hanging traitors ... Just asking cause... "Reasons"
 
6 days ago  
I'm genuinely curious as to why Flynn is the hill to die on.

Why on Earth is Trump and the GOP so keen on protecting him.
 
6 days ago  

thealgorerhythm: synithium: These high up criminal farkers won't see justice short of a pitchfork party.

I'll bring the tar.

You don't use pitchforks with tar. See this is why the founders feared the mob. Vigilante justice should be calculated.


You use the pitchforks you round people up so that you can use a judicious amount of tar.

Waste not, want not.
 
6 days ago  
So they're admitting politics trumps the law.  great.  We're in a great place right now.
 
6 days ago  

numbers17: I'm genuinely curious as to why Flynn is the hill to die on.

Why on Earth is Trump and the GOP so keen on protecting him.

Conservatives have been punished for nothing since Nixon.  Nothing.  They get caught, they're rewarded with either an AM radio show or paid consulting job on cable news.
 
6 days ago  

numbers17: I'm genuinely curious as to why Flynn is the hill to die on.

Why on Earth is Trump and the GOP so keen on protecting him.


They are saying that they want Flynn campaigning for Trump's reelection on the basis that Obama and Biden framed an innocent man and as such cannot be trusted to hold the reigns of power.

Oh, and they are going to accuse Biden of a lot of crimes based on any evidence that they can get from any sources even if they have to adjust foreign policy as a carrot or stick and the president is allowed to do that because he is president.
 
6 days ago  

Nabb1: Grungehamster: Unobtanium: I'm going to file a motion to dismiss every traffic ticket I ever paid.

/Haven't had a ticket in years

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There is a case to be made that 1001 is overly broad and is ripe for abuse. Changing that law is certainly something we should look into. Nope; much like FISA we are going to pretend it is outrageous that it caught Our Guy while either ignoring or working to dismantle the protections in place for other defendants.

I completely agree.  What happened to Flynn was arguably unseemly and unfair, but there are probably a thousand cases where people have been convicted of the same thing when the actual underlying crime was either minimal or wasn't even proven or even ultimately charged (Martha Stewart).  If Barr is doing this for Flynn, I would prefer he have the DOJ review all such cases and file similar motions in those.  If he was doing that, I would be more comfortable with this.  And while it would be improper for a judge to look at the case in front of him in the context of other unrelated cases, it would be far more just to change the whole system and overturn some other convictions.


Flynn was only charged with the one count of lying because he had a plea deal that only required the one guilty plea. He did way more illegal shiat that wasn't charged. Operating as a foreign agent of Turkey while working for the US government. Plotting to kidnap a US permanent resident. He also pled to prevent prosecution of his idiot son who was part of the kidnapping plot.
 
6 days ago  

dsmith42: Flynn was only charged with the one count of lying because he had a plea deal that only required the one guilty plea. He did way more illegal shiat that wasn't charged. Operating as a foreign agent of Turkey while working for the US government. Plotting to kidnap a US permanent resident. He also pled to prevent prosecution of his idiot son who was part of the kidnapping plot.


Yeah, I mean, I see your point.  I'm not pleading Flynn's case specifically.  I do think it highlights a broader problem that should change, but ultimately won't.  His really isn't the best case to hang the debate on because it's so politically charged.
 
6 days ago  

numbers17: I'm genuinely curious as to why Flynn is the hill to die on.

Why on Earth is Trump and the GOP so keen on protecting him.


People tend to forget this, but before all this happened, Flynn was being groomed as a potential Republican presidential candidate. My guess is that they still have high hopes for him.
 
6 days ago  

Nabb1: dsmith42: Flynn was only charged with the one count of lying because he had a plea deal that only required the one guilty plea. He did way more illegal shiat that wasn't charged. Operating as a foreign agent of Turkey while working for the US government. Plotting to kidnap a US permanent resident. He also pled to prevent prosecution of his idiot son who was part of the kidnapping plot.

Yeah, I mean, I see your point.  I'm not pleading Flynn's case specifically.  I do think it highlights a broader problem that should change, but ultimately won't.  His really isn't the best case to hang the debate on because it's so politically charged.


Let's be honest though, the only reason it's "politically charged" is because one side wants the case dropped for political reasons. It's not a "both sides" type of situation.
 
6 days ago  

numbers17: I'm genuinely curious as to why Flynn is the hill to die on.

Why on Earth is Trump and the GOP so keen on protecting him.


Because Obama told Trump to fire him and Trump accidentally did.  Now it looks like Trump was taking Obama's advice.

And we can't be havin' any of that...
 
6 days ago  

wademh: This trend is disastrous for the Judiciary, because it erodes public confidence in the courts' ability to serve as neutral arbiters in politically sensitive cases.

the Republican Attorneys General Association wrote with apparently zero self-awareness.


They're perfectly aware. Remember, one of the core tenets of their political philosophy is 'Republicans good, Democrats (ie everyone who isn't a blindly-loyal Republican) bad.'. Therefore, Republicans are above the law, and anyone who even considers suggesting otherwise is obviously biased and partisan.
 
6 days ago  

cameroncrazy1984: Nabb1: dsmith42: Flynn was only charged with the one count of lying because he had a plea deal that only required the one guilty plea. He did way more illegal shiat that wasn't charged. Operating as a foreign agent of Turkey while working for the US government. Plotting to kidnap a US permanent resident. He also pled to prevent prosecution of his idiot son who was part of the kidnapping plot.

Yeah, I mean, I see your point.  I'm not pleading Flynn's case specifically.  I do think it highlights a broader problem that should change, but ultimately won't.  His really isn't the best case to hang the debate on because it's so politically charged.

Let's be honest though, the only reason it's "politically charged" is because one side wants the case dropped for political reasons. It's not a "both sides" type of situation.


That's a very common Republican tactic. Make an issue partisan -> accuse the Democrats of being partisan when they don't give Republicans everything they want.
 
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