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2020-05-19 10:23:05 AM  
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2020-05-19 10:25:09 AM  
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2020-05-19 9:20:51 AM  
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A nurse practitioner with Novant Health confirmed these "COVID-19 parties" are happening in the Triad


see trump said it was all the chinese's fault - they have their gangs spreading it now!
 
2020-05-19 1:29:54 PM  
7 votes:
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2020-05-19 10:41:15 AM  
6 votes:
Before you rush to judgment, consider that there might be something to this. It depends on how they are going about it. Back in the 19th century this was how they inoculated for smallpox. They intentionally exposed people to levels of the virus that the body could fight off. Why are some people getting very sick while others have virtually no symptoms? It has to do with viral load. If you get fewer than 1000 viral particles, such as one might be exposed to when just breathing the same air with an infected person for a few minutes, then it doesn't progress to a runaway infection in most people, but you still build antibodies which can then protect you from higher levels of exposure in the future. Of course, it's very hard to control exposure levels in an ad hoc setting, and the FDA isn't going to approve this type of therapy, but it's not like these people are doing something completely out of left field here. Does anyone else remember their parents bringing them to chicken pox parties when they were kids?

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/01/op​i​nion/coronavirus-viral-dose.html
 
2020-05-19 10:35:12 AM  
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2020-05-19 11:27:57 AM  
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guestguy: RussianPotato: rebelyell2006: That keeps people from being infected in the first place, and will protect us until vaccines are ready.

THAT WAS NEVER THE PLAN.

You're just making up what you want.  The only reason to stay at home was to flatten the curve.  We flattened the curve and in the meantime we learned a whole lot about treating the disease.

Would you force every 30 year old to donate a kidney to a 97 year old?  Would you force every young person to give up years of their life just to extend ever so slightly the lives of extremely old people?  Because that's what you're advocating for.

I advocate listening to medical professionals who specialize in epidemics...what are those professionals saying right now?


Medical professionals are not fit to comment on matters of politics.  They have no understanding of economics or the pain and suffering caused by failed economies.
 
2020-05-19 11:04:20 AM  
4 votes:

FormlessOne: Because of assholes like those having "COVID-19 parties," the measures and hardship we've gone through for the last three months is largely wasted.


I hate to break it to you, but the lockdowns have NOT been effective and were largely a waste.   The whole point of them was to "flatten the curve", a.k.a. make sure the hospitals weren't overwhelmed. NOT prevent people from getting infected.  I'm not sure where people get the idea that the lockdowns were to stop infections.

The mathematical modelling "science" ended up being flat-out wrong.  The hospitals weren't overwhelmed, not even close.  Field hospitals were set up all around the country.  None of them saw actual use.   It was predicted that Florida would need 460,000 hospital beds at the peak.  It saw 2,100 beds used at the peak.

In many (most?) areas, nursing home residents make up about 50% of the deaths.   These people aren't exactly moving around town.  Lockdowns did nothing to protect them.  Even a recent article in a British medical journal, The Lancet, stated as much and properly concludes that the majority of the population will be infected, with lockdown measures not making one fark's worth of difference to the number of deaths.

As far as COVID parties, there isn't any support for that on any grounds at this point.  Is it dangerous?  Not really.  The CFR for seasonal influenza is ~0.0025-0.001.   CFR for COVID seems to be around 0.004-0.00004.  Most epidemiologists would agree that 0.004 is higher than what it really is due to the limited number of tests done so far.   So realistically, the seasonal flu is more deadly.  High CFR #s are common in the initial stages of a pandemic, as all you're testing are symptomatic people, so the true infection rates aren't known.

/yes, I attended medical school.
//yes, I hated the public health/epidemiology courses.   As does just about every other nurse/doctor who went through them.
 
2020-05-19 10:32:41 AM  
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2020-05-19 10:32:32 AM  
4 votes:
what do you call 90,000 dead americans from covid?

a good start.

badum tssh.
 
2020-05-19 10:30:37 AM  
4 votes:
"Look around you.  For one of the 50 people in this room, this will be their last party."
 
2020-05-19 1:07:52 PM  
3 votes:
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2020-05-19 10:38:51 AM  
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2020-05-19 9:01:30 AM  
3 votes:
Oh that makes sense. I'm sure that won't backfire at all.
 
2020-05-19 11:19:21 AM  
2 votes:

Skeleton Man: The lockdowns prevented all of those worst-case scenario models, dingus.

We locked our doors and nobody got inside! What a waste of time!


Except that Sweden never locked down and didn't run out of ICU beds either. There is zero relationship between extent of lockdown and deaths from the virus. Look across the whole world. Look across the US. Look even within given states before and after easing lockdown restrictions. Georgia is doing fine a month after reopening.

There are a lot of people being extremely smug who aren't supported by any actual data or science. They said back in March that "OMG we're all gonna die unless we do A, B, and C!" and now that the data is showing otherwise, they are stubbornly showing an emotional committed to not having been wrong.
 
2020-05-19 11:17:48 AM  
2 votes:
I remember those parties. We last had them in the 50's for things like Yellow Jaundice, measles, Whooping Cough and some others but that was when we knew that we could get immunity and not die from catching the disease.

These days no one is sure we can get immunity from Covid19. After all, it has been observed that the disease was engineered to infect both human and animals -- and who does that? Why, the military of course.

Stupid is really showing up in America to a crisis level while other nations watch and laugh.
 
2020-05-19 11:14:03 AM  
2 votes:

Skeleton Man: We locked our doors and nobody got inside! What a waste of time!


But I'm tired of wearing rubbers. I never catch the clap, so what's the point?
 
2020-05-19 11:12:36 AM  
2 votes:
yeah!  Cause treating this contagion like every other one humanity has ever faced is stupid!

Lets all stop living life forever until all germs are gone for good, thats the SMART thing to do!

/ stop being dumb.
 
2020-05-19 10:57:24 AM  
2 votes:

rebelyell2006: jso2897: Tommy Moo: Before you rush to judgment, consider that there might be something to this. It depends on how they are going about it. Back in the 19th century this was how they inoculated for smallpox. They intentionally exposed people to levels of the virus that the body could fight off. Why are some people getting very sick while others have virtually no symptoms? It has to do with viral load. If you get fewer than 1000 viral particles, such as one might be exposed to when just breathing the same air with an infected person for a few minutes, then it doesn't progress to a runaway infection in most people, but you still build antibodies which can then protect you from higher levels of exposure in the future. Of course, it's very hard to control exposure levels in an ad hoc setting, and the FDA isn't going to approve this type of therapy, but it's not like these people are doing something completely out of left field here. Does anyone else remember their parents bringing them to chicken pox parties when they were kids?

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/01/opi​nion/coronavirus-viral-dose.html

This is parody, right?

No, just an older idiot with no understanding of how viruses work.  Look at his reference to chicken pox parties.


A)  It's small pox, you uneducated dolt.

B)  That was how it was done.  Read a book.

C)  Yes, the viral load was the key part of it.  Before the vaccine was invented, doctors would take smallpox scabs, powder them, and blow a small portion up the patient's nose.  Fatality rate was 3-5%.  Which is much better than smallpox's normal 30-50% mortality rate.  And the only difference was the viral load.

D)  These small pox scabs are still floating around after all these years.  They're usually kept in small boxes and wrapped in tissue.  Man, it's fun to see the hazmat guys scramble every few years when one of these is found.

/reading is fun
//but i guess hard for some people.

eddie_irvine: There is some evidence to the contrary, that several people who have tested positive again after having had Covid.


No, that's not evidence.  You have anecdotes from a single country - south korea - about maybe a dozen people out of millions who retested positive.  And the general consensus is those people had a malingering infection the whole time.  Considering this was only seen in a single country it highly suggests a flaw in their methods and nothing more.
 
2020-05-19 10:53:17 AM  
2 votes:

rebelyell2006: No, just an older idiot with no understanding of how viruses work. Look at his reference to chicken pox parties.


AKA literally a virus. I'm here providing sources and historical citations. What's your f_c%king plan, to sit home jacking off for months and then catch the virus in the fall when someone coughs in your face? This isn't going away just because we "sheltered in place" for a few months. It's going to be there, waiting for you, when you emerge. And you will emerge someday.
 
2020-05-19 10:49:52 AM  
2 votes:

eddie_irvine: This is a classic anti-vaxx trope. Measles parties are old and busted, Covid-19 parties the new hotness.


We have a vaccine for measles. All bets are off for this shiat. Ben Franklin had an opportunity to expose his son to smallpox when he was a boy, but he chose not to because it was risky. His son later died of smallpox:

"In 1736 I lost one of my sons, a fine boy of four years old, by the smallpox taken in the common way. I long regretted bitterly and still regret that I had not given it to him by inoculation. This I mention for the sake of the parents who omit that operation, on the supposition that they should never forgive themselves if a child died under it; my example showing that the regret may be the same either way, and that, therefore, the safer should be chosen."

The fact is that we aren't guaranteed to get a successful vaccine for COVID-19, not this year, not ever. It might well be reckless and causing more harm than good for people to attempt to build their immunity to it, but it's not malicious or even unprecedented behavior. If you could be exposed to the virus at a level that was somehow guaranteed not to progress to a full symptomatic infection and leave you with immunity afterward, wouldn't you take that opportunity? There are risks either way.
 
2020-05-19 10:45:48 AM  
2 votes:

LarryDan43: Getting it once doesn't cure you. Ask the Navy.


It absolutely dramatically increases your resistance, if not conferring at least total temporary immunity. There are almost 5 million cases worldwide to date. That's one out of every 1,500 people. Assuming that a person who has already had it is as likely as anyone else to get it, that means we should statistically expect 5,000,000/1,500 = 3,333 people to have caught it twice. There have, at most, been a few anecdotes of people catching it twice, and even those are thought to likely have been false positives because the tests were detecting old viral matter from the previous infection.
 
2020-05-19 10:34:32 AM  
2 votes:
It's the best use of the lockdown.  If these people are unemployed they're guaranteed a sweet extra 600 dollars a week until july.  Even if they react poorly and have one of these illnesses that lasts a month, they'll be able to recuperate, at home, with no need to go to work until the infection is over.  After that they'll have some form of immunity, which is our only hope at the moment.

Imagine you spend two months in lockdown, you don't get it, the lockdown ends, you have to go back to work, and THEN you get it.  Now wouldn't you see those two months in lockdown as having been poorly spent?
 
2020-05-19 10:26:13 AM  
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2020-05-19 8:59:06 AM  
2 votes:
Don't care, had sex?
 
2020-05-19 6:43:28 PM  
1 vote:
OK, let me see if I understand all this correctly:

1. Testing is absolutely necessary, unless someone says it isn't.
2. Testing has no value, unless someone says it's desperately needed.
2.a. We need to expand testing NOW!

3. Facial masks are a must. Unless someone says they're not really all that effective.
4. ONLY N95 ultra mega super masks will work, but a dirty bandana will do just fine, so WEAR ONE!

5. Only the elderly, Immuno-compromised, and those with underlying conditions are at severe risk. That means everyone.
6. The only way to flatten the curve is to destroy our civilization as we know it to be.
7. We can start opening soon. Real soon. Honest.
8. Stay home until EVERYONE is immunized, Sometime around 2024.

9. Antibodies good. Unless someone says they are not. Unless they are.

10. I have altered the lockdown rules. Pray that I don't alter them further.

Am I doing it right?

/Making it up as we go along.
//Using a Ouija board with half the letters missing should work just as well
///Make America SANE again.
 
2020-05-19 3:43:59 PM  
1 vote:
Arguing about viral load, infections, immunity, vaccines, deaths, antibodies, lockdowns, quarantines, and reopening is all a waste of time, since human nature is gonna eventually win out in a landslide. It may happen slowly over months or even years, but eventually people will go back to work, school, socializing, and not thinking any more about Coronavirus than they do the Spanish flu or any of the other goop in the microbial soup we all swim in daily without a second thought.

The telling thing is that this fact seems to anger a lot of you and reveals your very deep and disturbing authoritarian tendencies and hate for others that don't think like you do.
 
2020-05-19 3:43:35 PM  
1 vote:
Time to start arresting people. This is no longer a joke. Deliberately exposing yourself and others to the virus should be considered an act of harm to the community.
 
2020-05-19 3:24:08 PM  
1 vote:

Graffito: Sean M: FormlessOne: Because of assholes like those having "COVID-19 parties," the measures and hardship we've gone through for the last three months is largely wasted.

I hate to break it to you, but the lockdowns have NOT been effective and were largely a waste.   The whole point of them was to "flatten the curve", a.k.a. make sure the hospitals weren't overwhelmed. NOT prevent people from getting infected.  I'm not sure where people get the idea that the lockdowns were to stop infections.

The mathematical modelling "science" ended up being flat-out wrong.  The hospitals weren't overwhelmed, not even close.  Field hospitals were set up all around the country.  None of them saw actual use.   It was predicted that Florida would need 460,000 hospital beds at the peak.  It saw 2,100 beds used at the peak.

In many (most?) areas, nursing home residents make up about 50% of the deaths.   These people aren't exactly moving around town.  Lockdowns did nothing to protect them.  Even a recent article in a British medical journal, The Lancet, stated as much and properly concludes that the majority of the population will be infected, with lockdown measures not making one fark's worth of difference to the number of deaths.

As far as COVID parties, there isn't any support for that on any grounds at this point.  Is it dangerous?  Not really.  The CFR for seasonal influenza is ~0.0025-0.001.   CFR for COVID seems to be around 0.004-0.00004.  Most epidemiologists would agree that 0.004 is higher than what it really is due to the limited number of tests done so far.   So realistically, the seasonal flu is more deadly.  High CFR #s are common in the initial stages of a pandemic, as all you're testing are symptomatic people, so the true infection rates aren't known.

/yes, I attended medical school.
//yes, I hated the public health/epidemiology courses.   As does just about every other nurse/doctor who went through them.

Please tell me you don't practice medicine.


Well, medical malpractice is responsible for between 250k and 450k deaths every year, so...
 
2020-05-19 3:19:40 PM  
1 vote:

Sean M: FormlessOne: Because of assholes like those having "COVID-19 parties," the measures and hardship we've gone through for the last three months is largely wasted.

I hate to break it to you, but the lockdowns have NOT been effective and were largely a waste.   The whole point of them was to "flatten the curve", a.k.a. make sure the hospitals weren't overwhelmed. NOT prevent people from getting infected.  I'm not sure where people get the idea that the lockdowns were to stop infections.

The mathematical modelling "science" ended up being flat-out wrong.  The hospitals weren't overwhelmed, not even close.  Field hospitals were set up all around the country.  None of them saw actual use.   It was predicted that Florida would need 460,000 hospital beds at the peak.  It saw 2,100 beds used at the peak.

In many (most?) areas, nursing home residents make up about 50% of the deaths.   These people aren't exactly moving around town.  Lockdowns did nothing to protect them.  Even a recent article in a British medical journal, The Lancet, stated as much and properly concludes that the majority of the population will be infected, with lockdown measures not making one fark's worth of difference to the number of deaths.

As far as COVID parties, there isn't any support for that on any grounds at this point.  Is it dangerous?  Not really.  The CFR for seasonal influenza is ~0.0025-0.001.   CFR for COVID seems to be around 0.004-0.00004.  Most epidemiologists would agree that 0.004 is higher than what it really is due to the limited number of tests done so far.   So realistically, the seasonal flu is more deadly.  High CFR #s are common in the initial stages of a pandemic, as all you're testing are symptomatic people, so the true infection rates aren't known.

/yes, I attended medical school.
//yes, I hated the public health/epidemiology courses.   As does just about every other nurse/doctor who went through them.


Please tell me you don't practice medicine.
 
2020-05-19 1:41:59 PM  
1 vote:

jso2897: corn-bread: I wondered how long before chicken pox thinking would be applied to Covid-19.  The old ways were not always the best.

Like bringing a knife to a gunfight.


knife in hand beats a gun in the holster
 
2020-05-19 11:55:27 AM  
1 vote:

Prank Call of Cthulhu: Sean M: The mathematical modelling "science" ended up being flat-out wrong.  The hospitals weren't overwhelmed, not even close.

The weird thing is I knew a Sean M. years ago, who likewise wasn't particularly bright, and once said, "We don't need all these food programs for people; nobody in this country is starving." You don't live in Colorado, do you?


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2020-05-19 11:53:01 AM  
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I sound fat: yeah!  Cause treating this contagion like every other one humanity has ever faced is stupid!

Lets all stop living life forever until all germs are gone for good, thats the SMART thing to do!

/ stop being dumb.


More dumb than fat.

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2020-05-19 11:38:03 AM  
1 vote:

rebelyell2006: Sweden, the country with the highest per-capita death rates in Europe right now?


That would be Belgium.

Sweden is the country that has flattened the curve and seen a slow, steady decline in new infections for the past month. According to all you armchair experts, they should still be seeing exponential increase in new cases and deaths. The fact that there aren't 100,000 dead in Sweden at this point is proof that you don't need ironclad, draconian lockdowns to prevent the virus from exponentially overwhelming a society.

Their model was to protect the old and sick and allow the young and healthy to do exactly what this article is talking about. It was always likely to have a few more deaths than some other countries up front. But you'll see the value in it this summer when Sweden is enjoying its herd immunity while the rest of us are still being viciated by a steady trickle of death.
 
2020-05-19 11:26:45 AM  
1 vote:
Listening to Sean M's FUD will get you killed.

R0 is 5.7. 

90,000 dead in two months.

It's real, it kills, and if it doesn't kill you, you stand a good change of being farked for life.

Extra bonus if you become an asymptomatic super-shedder and kill innocents while tooling around.

Stay at home works. 
Breaking the cycle of infection, works. 
Reducing the load on Hospitals is a good thing. 
Wearing your damn mask reduces spread. 

Remember, it doesn't care about your Politics, it doesn't care about your feelings. It cares for hosts. 

All it wants are hosts. 

Don't let it have any new ones.
 
2020-05-19 11:18:36 AM  
1 vote:

rebelyell2006: That keeps people from being infected in the first place, and will protect us until vaccines are ready.


THAT WAS NEVER THE PLAN.

You're just making up what you want.  The only reason to stay at home was to flatten the curve.  We flattened the curve and in the meantime we learned a whole lot about treating the disease.

Would you force every 30 year old to donate a kidney to a 97 year old?  Would you force every young person to give up years of their life just to extend ever so slightly the lives of extremely old people?  Because that's what you're advocating for.
 
2020-05-19 10:54:36 AM  
1 vote:

rebelyell2006: jso2897: Tommy Moo: Before you rush to judgment, consider that there might be something to this. It depends on how they are going about it. Back in the 19th century this was how they inoculated for smallpox. They intentionally exposed people to levels of the virus that the body could fight off. Why are some people getting very sick while others have virtually no symptoms? It has to do with viral load. If you get fewer than 1000 viral particles, such as one might be exposed to when just breathing the same air with an infected person for a few minutes, then it doesn't progress to a runaway infection in most people, but you still build antibodies which can then protect you from higher levels of exposure in the future. Of course, it's very hard to control exposure levels in an ad hoc setting, and the FDA isn't going to approve this type of therapy, but it's not like these people are doing something completely out of left field here. Does anyone else remember their parents bringing them to chicken pox parties when they were kids?

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/01/opi​nion/coronavirus-viral-dose.html

This is parody, right?

No, just an older idiot with no understanding of how viruses work.  Look at his reference to chicken pox parties.


Yea but chicken pox pies are delicious
 
2020-05-19 10:51:36 AM  
1 vote:
If I have a party during covid 19, but it is just for shenanigans, is that a covid party, or is that just for parties with the intent to catch covid?
 
2020-05-19 10:44:13 AM  
1 vote:

RussianPotato: TotallyRealNotFake: [Fark user image 425x685]

Did that jackass put his Bible on the ground?


Damn. Now he has to burn it where it lay.
 
2020-05-19 10:43:03 AM  
1 vote:

Tommy Moo: Before you rush to judgment, consider that there might be something to this. It depends on how they are going about it. Back in the 19th century this was how they inoculated for smallpox. They intentionally exposed people to levels of the virus that the body could fight off. Why are some people getting very sick while others have virtually no symptoms? It has to do with viral load. If you get fewer than 1000 viral particles, such as one might be exposed to when just breathing the same air with an infected person for a few minutes, then it doesn't progress to a runaway infection in most people, but you still build antibodies which can then protect you from higher levels of exposure in the future. Of course, it's very hard to control exposure levels in an ad hoc setting, and the FDA isn't going to approve this type of therapy, but it's not like these people are doing something completely out of left field here. Does anyone else remember their parents bringing them to chicken pox parties when they were kids?

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/01/opi​nion/coronavirus-viral-dose.html


This is parody, right?
 
2020-05-19 10:39:28 AM  
1 vote:

TotallyRealNotFake: [Fark user image 425x685]


Did that jackass put his Bible on the ground?
 
2020-05-19 10:25:41 AM  
1 vote:
Every last one of them needs to be executed in a humane way.
 
2020-05-19 10:25:01 AM  
1 vote:
Getting it once doesn't cure you. Ask the Navy.
 
2020-05-19 10:24:11 AM  
1 vote:
It's just like measles, murder hornet measles.
 
2020-05-19 9:59:43 AM  
1 vote:
I wonder how many of them will die from this? Death is the ultimate immunity, after all.
 
2020-05-19 9:36:39 AM  
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There is no science on prior infected being able to transmit the virus. Yes you may have the antibodies and may be immune but we don't if you can also be a transmitter.

Therefore you may be intentionally harming others. There hasn't been enough time to research these things.

/ I blame lack of scientific knowledge.
 
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