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2020-05-19 10:59:41 AM  
Wow. Americans really don't want to be able to travel outside the US any time soon, do they?

They're literally killing the tourism and travel industries.
 
2020-05-19 10:59:53 AM  

Father_Jack: what do you call 90,000 dead americans from covid?

a good start.

badum tssh.


Fark you.
 
2020-05-19 11:00:25 AM  

Tommy Moo: eddie_irvine: Except the fact that scientists aren't certain that that having Covid antibodies make you immune. There is some evidence to the contrary, that several people who have tested positive again after having had Covid. Covid parties are a bad idea.

If COVID antibodies didn't confer immunity, there would be literally thousands of documented cases of people getting the virus twice. There have been, at most, a few anecdotes, with several of them possibly being due to false positive tests. There is no way that SARS-COV-2 is suddenly the first magical virus in our billion year history with viruses to not engender any immunity from future infections.


Even HIV creates antibodies. The reason that your immune system can't then get rid of it is that it destroys the cells that would eliminate the virus. But the antibodies are there - indeed, this is how they test for HIV.
 
2020-05-19 11:02:35 AM  

Tommy Moo: rebelyell2006: No, just an older idiot with no understanding of how viruses work. Look at his reference to chicken pox parties.

AKA literally a virus. I'm here providing sources and historical citations. What's your f_c%king plan, to sit home jacking off for months and then catch the virus in the fall when someone coughs in your face? This isn't going away just because we "sheltered in place" for a few months. It's going to be there, waiting for you, when you emerge. And you will emerge someday.


I go to work every weekday, I wear masks, use hand sanitizer, wash my hands, use napkins or tissues to handle doors and touch screens, don't touch my face or pick my nose, keep six feet between myself and others, etc etc.  Allergies are acting up a bit because of tree pollen, but no colds or random bugs or sinus infections, thanks to the precautions I have been taking.  But not everybody can and not everybody will do those things, hence the Stay At Home and the mandatory mask orders.  That keeps people from being infected in the first place, and will protect us until vaccines are ready.
 
2020-05-19 11:03:38 AM  
I guess it is Tommy's turn to spout the bullshiat red hat virus talking points.
 
2020-05-19 11:03:40 AM  

aukie: skozlaw: LarryDan43: Getting it once doesn't cure you. Ask the Navy.

There's a very significant portion of this country, including many people here on Fark, who are absolutely convinced that if you get over a viral infection immunity is guaranteed, permanent, and means you can no longer be a carrier and spread it.

None of those things are inherently true. That's a kindergarten-level view of the concept and it's terrifying that so many people apparently stopped learning about biology in grade school.

You may not gain any immunity at all.

If you do gain immunity, it is extremely unlikely to be permanent, and we don't know yet how long it will last (smart money is on 6 to 12 months based on similar viruses).

Any immunity you gain does not guarantee you cannot become an asymptomatic carrier. It is entirely possible to be able to sufficiently fight it yourself that you don't get sick, but still have a dense enough infection to spread it around.

And, of course, none of this takes into account that you can get sick and wind up spreading a mutated version nobody is immune to yet no matter how strong an immunity you develop to the original strain.

People are farkkng stupid though, so... party on, morons.

I have just recovered, having tested positive 4/22 and tested negative yesterday. I work at an intensely busy co-op grocery store and will be returning to work in a day or so.

I fully agree with you, I have no idea how "immune" I am at this point and if so, for how long. I do know that, having tested negative, I am not carrying it. I simply no longer have it.

It was a 3 week ordeal, no hospital needed, but it was no picnic. I waited 8 days with no symptoms before testing negative. I will turn 55 in June and am a former lifetime smoker, (I vape now).

I still can't believe what idiots some people are; you do not want this thing.


Glad that you recovered and are doing well!
 
2020-05-19 11:03:50 AM  
They....know that this can kill them and / or screw them up spectacularly for decades, yeah?

They also know that immunity is not guaranteed if you manage to survive?
 
2020-05-19 11:04:20 AM  

FormlessOne: Because of assholes like those having "COVID-19 parties," the measures and hardship we've gone through for the last three months is largely wasted.


I hate to break it to you, but the lockdowns have NOT been effective and were largely a waste.   The whole point of them was to "flatten the curve", a.k.a. make sure the hospitals weren't overwhelmed. NOT prevent people from getting infected.  I'm not sure where people get the idea that the lockdowns were to stop infections.

The mathematical modelling "science" ended up being flat-out wrong.  The hospitals weren't overwhelmed, not even close.  Field hospitals were set up all around the country.  None of them saw actual use.   It was predicted that Florida would need 460,000 hospital beds at the peak.  It saw 2,100 beds used at the peak.

In many (most?) areas, nursing home residents make up about 50% of the deaths.   These people aren't exactly moving around town.  Lockdowns did nothing to protect them.  Even a recent article in a British medical journal, The Lancet, stated as much and properly concludes that the majority of the population will be infected, with lockdown measures not making one fark's worth of difference to the number of deaths.

As far as COVID parties, there isn't any support for that on any grounds at this point.  Is it dangerous?  Not really.  The CFR for seasonal influenza is ~0.0025-0.001.   CFR for COVID seems to be around 0.004-0.00004.  Most epidemiologists would agree that 0.004 is higher than what it really is due to the limited number of tests done so far.   So realistically, the seasonal flu is more deadly.  High CFR #s are common in the initial stages of a pandemic, as all you're testing are symptomatic people, so the true infection rates aren't known.

/yes, I attended medical school.
//yes, I hated the public health/epidemiology courses.   As does just about every other nurse/doctor who went through them.
 
2020-05-19 11:05:52 AM  

Sean M: FormlessOne: Because of assholes like those having "COVID-19 parties," the measures and hardship we've gone through for the last three months is largely wasted.

I hate to break it to you, but the lockdowns have NOT been effective and were largely a waste.   The whole point of them was to "flatten the curve", a.k.a. make sure the hospitals weren't overwhelmed. NOT prevent people from getting infected.  I'm not sure where people get the idea that the lockdowns were to stop infections.

The mathematical modelling "science" ended up being flat-out wrong.  The hospitals weren't overwhelmed, not even close.  Field hospitals were set up all around the country.  None of them saw actual use.   It was predicted that Florida would need 460,000 hospital beds at the peak.  It saw 2,100 beds used at the peak.

In many (most?) areas, nursing home residents make up about 50% of the deaths.   These people aren't exactly moving around town.  Lockdowns did nothing to protect them.  Even a recent article in a British medical journal, The Lancet, stated as much and properly concludes that the majority of the population will be infected, with lockdown measures not making one fark's worth of difference to the number of deaths.

As far as COVID parties, there isn't any support for that on any grounds at this point.  Is it dangerous?  Not really.  The CFR for seasonal influenza is ~0.0025-0.001.   CFR for COVID seems to be around 0.004-0.00004.  Most epidemiologists would agree that 0.004 is higher than what it really is due to the limited number of tests done so far.   So realistically, the seasonal flu is more deadly.  High CFR #s are common in the initial stages of a pandemic, as all you're testing are symptomatic people, so the true infection rates aren't known.

/yes, I attended medical school.
//yes, I hated the public health/epidemiology courses.   As does just about every other nurse/doctor who went through them.


So the 90,000 dead in two months is less deadly than the typical 40,000-60,000 across an entire year?
 
2020-05-19 11:06:18 AM  

Father_Jack: what do you call 90,000 dead americans from covid?

a good start.

badum tssh.


I lol'd
 
2020-05-19 11:07:03 AM  

Skeleton Man: Father_Jack: what do you call 90,000 dead americans from covid?

a good start.

badum tssh.

Fark you.


Agreed.  Deaths are terrible, especially when they could have been prevented in the first place.
 
2020-05-19 11:07:40 AM  
That gov apparently needs to give them concrete examples - show how the 'Smith family birthday party ended up w/ Grandma Smith dead 14 days later'.
 
2020-05-19 11:07:45 AM  
A nurse practitioner with Novant Health confirmed these "COVID-19 parties" are happening in the Triad.

Where is this "Triad" and what is wrong with their water supply?
 
2020-05-19 11:08:36 AM  

Skeleton Man: aukie: skozlaw: LarryDan43: Getting it once doesn't cure you. Ask the Navy.

There's a very significant portion of this country, including many people here on Fark, who are absolutely convinced that if you get over a viral infection immunity is guaranteed, permanent, and means you can no longer be a carrier and spread it.

None of those things are inherently true. That's a kindergarten-level view of the concept and it's terrifying that so many people apparently stopped learning about biology in grade school.

You may not gain any immunity at all.

If you do gain immunity, it is extremely unlikely to be permanent, and we don't know yet how long it will last (smart money is on 6 to 12 months based on similar viruses).

Any immunity you gain does not guarantee you cannot become an asymptomatic carrier. It is entirely possible to be able to sufficiently fight it yourself that you don't get sick, but still have a dense enough infection to spread it around.

And, of course, none of this takes into account that you can get sick and wind up spreading a mutated version nobody is immune to yet no matter how strong an immunity you develop to the original strain.

People are farkkng stupid though, so... party on, morons.

I have just recovered, having tested positive 4/22 and tested negative yesterday. I work at an intensely busy co-op grocery store and will be returning to work in a day or so.

I fully agree with you, I have no idea how "immune" I am at this point and if so, for how long. I do know that, having tested negative, I am not carrying it. I simply no longer have it.

It was a 3 week ordeal, no hospital needed, but it was no picnic. I waited 8 days with no symptoms before testing negative. I will turn 55 in June and am a former lifetime smoker, (I vape now).

I still can't believe what idiots some people are; you do not want this thing.

Glad that you recovered and are doing well!


Thanks dude! Yeah, what I forgot to mention was I didn't get it at work, everyone there tested negative.

I had heard other tenants in my apartment building coughing about a week before I got it. I was extremely careful yet I'm sure I either breathed it or got it in my eyes from respiratory droplets in the hallway or stairs. I likely came behind someone just minutes after them.
 
2020-05-19 11:11:20 AM  

rebelyell2006: Tommy Moo: rebelyell2006: No, just an older idiot with no understanding of how viruses work. Look at his reference to chicken pox parties.

AKA literally a virus. I'm here providing sources and historical citations. What's your f_c%king plan, to sit home jacking off for months and then catch the virus in the fall when someone coughs in your face? This isn't going away just because we "sheltered in place" for a few months. It's going to be there, waiting for you, when you emerge. And you will emerge someday.

I go to work every weekday, I wear masks, use hand sanitizer, wash my hands, use napkins or tissues to handle doors and touch screens, don't touch my face or pick my nose, keep six feet between myself and others, etc etc.  Allergies are acting up a bit because of tree pollen, but no colds or random bugs or sinus infections, thanks to the precautions I have been taking.  But not everybody can and not everybody will do those things, hence the Stay At Home and the mandatory mask orders.  That keeps people from being infected in the first place, and will protect us until vaccines are ready.


A lot of people seem to think that everybody is going to catch Covid - indeed, I have heard a number of people say it.
Of course, no disease ever reaches an infection rate of 100% ever. No where close to it, usually.
Estimates I have read guess that if absolutely nothing were done, covid could expect to top out somewhere around 70-75% - and that's a high estimate.
Many, many millions of people will never catch this disease - I propose to be one of them.
It's not at all far fetched - for one thing, we are taking measures, and Covid's saturation point could end up being less than 50% of the population, if we're really, really lucky.
The idea that "everybody's gonig to get it" is sub-stupid.
 
2020-05-19 11:11:47 AM  

Sean M: FormlessOne: Because of assholes like those having "COVID-19 parties," the measures and hardship we've gone through for the last three months is largely wasted.

I hate to break it to you, but the lockdowns have NOT been effective and were largely a waste.   The whole point of them was to "flatten the curve", a.k.a. make sure the hospitals weren't overwhelmed. NOT prevent people from getting infected.  I'm not sure where people get the idea that the lockdowns were to stop infections.

The mathematical modelling "science" ended up being flat-out wrong.  The hospitals weren't overwhelmed, not even close.  Field hospitals were set up all around the country.  None of them saw actual use.   It was predicted that Florida would need 460,000 hospital beds at the peak.  It saw 2,100 beds used at the peak.

In many (most?) areas, nursing home residents make up about 50% of the deaths.   These people aren't exactly moving around town.  Lockdowns did nothing to protect them.  Even a recent article in a British medical journal, The Lancet, stated as much and properly concludes that the majority of the population will be infected, with lockdown measures not making one fark's worth of difference to the number of deaths.

As far as COVID parties, there isn't any support for that on any grounds at this point.  Is it dangerous?  Not really.  The CFR for seasonal influenza is ~0.0025-0.001.   CFR for COVID seems to be around 0.004-0.00004.  Most epidemiologists would agree that 0.004 is higher than what it really is due to the limited number of tests done so far.   So realistically, the seasonal flu is more deadly.  High CFR #s are common in the initial stages of a pandemic, as all you're testing are symptomatic people, so the true infection rates aren't known.

/yes, I attended medical school.
//yes, I hated the public health/epidemiology courses.   As does just about every other nurse/doctor who went through them.


The lockdowns prevented all of those worst-case scenario models, dingus.

We locked our doors and nobody got inside! What a waste of time!
 
2020-05-19 11:12:36 AM  
yeah!  Cause treating this contagion like every other one humanity has ever faced is stupid!

Lets all stop living life forever until all germs are gone for good, thats the SMART thing to do!

/ stop being dumb.
 
2020-05-19 11:14:03 AM  

Skeleton Man: We locked our doors and nobody got inside! What a waste of time!


But I'm tired of wearing rubbers. I never catch the clap, so what's the point?
 
2020-05-19 11:14:11 AM  

Herb Utsmelz: FormlessOne: I know I'm not supposed to feel like this, but, by all that's good in the world, I'm starting to hate people in general.

I've always been misanthropic. 2016 merely sealed it.


I've usually identified myself as a misanthrope, but typically out of frustration - I want to like people, I really do, but they let me down so damned often.

This isn't that. I genuinely feel that the rest of the world is putting my family at risk solely out of greed and stupidity. I don't feel misanthropic - I feel farking hostile, as though I'm under attack somehow. It's not rational, and even knowing that doesn't really help. All we want to do at this point is to withdraw from the world, break contact, and just "hunker down" until it's safe to re-emerge. It's blown much of the work I've done in the last few years, fighting off my agoraphobia.
 
2020-05-19 11:15:25 AM  

I sound fat: yeah!  Cause treating this contagion like every other one humanity has ever faced is stupid!

Lets all stop living life forever until all germs are gone for good, thats the SMART thing to do!

/ stop being dumb.


Right...let's definitely NOT listen to people who study and fight diseases like this professionally.  Let's trust our guts, and assume this is just like them there chicken pox...amirite?
 
2020-05-19 11:16:28 AM  

Sean M: FormlessOne: Because of assholes like those having "COVID-19 parties," the measures and hardship we've gone through for the last three months is largely wasted.

I hate to break it to you, but the lockdowns have NOT been effective and were largely a waste.   The whole point of them was to "flatten the curve", a.k.a. make sure the hospitals weren't overwhelmed. NOT prevent people from getting infected.  I'm not sure where people get the idea that the lockdowns were to stop infections.

The mathematical modelling "science" ended up being flat-out wrong.  The hospitals weren't overwhelmed, not even close.  Field hospitals were set up all around the country.  None of them saw actual use.   It was predicted that Florida would need 460,000 hospital beds at the peak.  It saw 2,100 beds used at the peak.

In many (most?) areas, nursing home residents make up about 50% of the deaths.   These people aren't exactly moving around town.  Lockdowns did nothing to protect them.  Even a recent article in a British medical journal, The Lancet, stated as much and properly concludes that the majority of the population will be infected, with lockdown measures not making one fark's worth of difference to the number of deaths.

As far as COVID parties, there isn't any support for that on any grounds at this point.  Is it dangerous?  Not really.  The CFR for seasonal influenza is ~0.0025-0.001.   CFR for COVID seems to be around 0.004-0.00004.  Most epidemiologists would agree that 0.004 is higher than what it really is due to the limited number of tests done so far.   So realistically, the seasonal flu is more deadly.  High CFR #s are common in the initial stages of a pandemic, as all you're testing are symptomatic people, so the true infection rates aren't known.

/yes, I attended medical school.
//yes, I hated the public health/epidemiology courses.   As does just about every other nurse/doctor who went through them.


Not only missed the point, but watched it whiz by so you could make a number of bone-headed statements?

Shush. You're not helping. You're just illustrating my point.
 
2020-05-19 11:17:48 AM  
I remember those parties. We last had them in the 50's for things like Yellow Jaundice, measles, Whooping Cough and some others but that was when we knew that we could get immunity and not die from catching the disease.

These days no one is sure we can get immunity from Covid19. After all, it has been observed that the disease was engineered to infect both human and animals -- and who does that? Why, the military of course.

Stupid is really showing up in America to a crisis level while other nations watch and laugh.
 
2020-05-19 11:18:36 AM  

rebelyell2006: That keeps people from being infected in the first place, and will protect us until vaccines are ready.


THAT WAS NEVER THE PLAN.

You're just making up what you want.  The only reason to stay at home was to flatten the curve.  We flattened the curve and in the meantime we learned a whole lot about treating the disease.

Would you force every 30 year old to donate a kidney to a 97 year old?  Would you force every young person to give up years of their life just to extend ever so slightly the lives of extremely old people?  Because that's what you're advocating for.
 
2020-05-19 11:19:21 AM  

Skeleton Man: The lockdowns prevented all of those worst-case scenario models, dingus.

We locked our doors and nobody got inside! What a waste of time!


Except that Sweden never locked down and didn't run out of ICU beds either. There is zero relationship between extent of lockdown and deaths from the virus. Look across the whole world. Look across the US. Look even within given states before and after easing lockdown restrictions. Georgia is doing fine a month after reopening.

There are a lot of people being extremely smug who aren't supported by any actual data or science. They said back in March that "OMG we're all gonna die unless we do A, B, and C!" and now that the data is showing otherwise, they are stubbornly showing an emotional committed to not having been wrong.
 
2020-05-19 11:20:14 AM  

LarryDan43: Getting it once doesn't cure you. Ask the Navy.


Ok Doomer
 
2020-05-19 11:22:26 AM  

RussianPotato: rebelyell2006: That keeps people from being infected in the first place, and will protect us until vaccines are ready.

THAT WAS NEVER THE PLAN.

You're just making up what you want.  The only reason to stay at home was to flatten the curve.  We flattened the curve and in the meantime we learned a whole lot about treating the disease.

Would you force every 30 year old to donate a kidney to a 97 year old?  Would you force every young person to give up years of their life just to extend ever so slightly the lives of extremely old people?  Because that's what you're advocating for.


I advocate listening to medical professionals who specialize in epidemics...what are those professionals saying right now?
 
2020-05-19 11:23:52 AM  

Tommy Moo: but it's not malicious


Agreed, but it is mind-numbingly ignorant.
 
2020-05-19 11:26:21 AM  

Tommy Moo: Skeleton Man: The lockdowns prevented all of those worst-case scenario models, dingus.

We locked our doors and nobody got inside! What a waste of time!

Except that Sweden never locked down and didn't run out of ICU beds either. There is zero relationship between extent of lockdown and deaths from the virus. Look across the whole world. Look across the US. Look even within given states before and after easing lockdown restrictions. Georgia is doing fine a month after reopening.

There are a lot of people being extremely smug who aren't supported by any actual data or science. They said back in March that "OMG we're all gonna die unless we do A, B, and C!" and now that the data is showing otherwise, they are stubbornly showing an emotional committed to not having been wrong.


Sweden, the country with the highest per-capita death rates in Europe right now?  The one with the same population size as Georgia but twice as many deaths?  How does that help your argument?

In fact, nothing you say backs up or supports your argument.
 
2020-05-19 11:26:45 AM  
Listening to Sean M's FUD will get you killed.

R0 is 5.7. 

90,000 dead in two months.

It's real, it kills, and if it doesn't kill you, you stand a good change of being farked for life.

Extra bonus if you become an asymptomatic super-shedder and kill innocents while tooling around.

Stay at home works. 
Breaking the cycle of infection, works. 
Reducing the load on Hospitals is a good thing. 
Wearing your damn mask reduces spread. 

Remember, it doesn't care about your Politics, it doesn't care about your feelings. It cares for hosts. 

All it wants are hosts. 

Don't let it have any new ones.
 
2020-05-19 11:27:55 AM  

xanadian: Just as long as they stay faaaaaaaar away from me (and the rest of us sane folk) and isolate amongst each other, we can just let Darwin sort this out.


they are willfully engaging in high risk behavior affecting themselves and anyone else they meet, regarding this virus.  You honestly think that stops when the party is over?
 
2020-05-19 11:27:57 AM  

guestguy: RussianPotato: rebelyell2006: That keeps people from being infected in the first place, and will protect us until vaccines are ready.

THAT WAS NEVER THE PLAN.

You're just making up what you want.  The only reason to stay at home was to flatten the curve.  We flattened the curve and in the meantime we learned a whole lot about treating the disease.

Would you force every 30 year old to donate a kidney to a 97 year old?  Would you force every young person to give up years of their life just to extend ever so slightly the lives of extremely old people?  Because that's what you're advocating for.

I advocate listening to medical professionals who specialize in epidemics...what are those professionals saying right now?


Medical professionals are not fit to comment on matters of politics.  They have no understanding of economics or the pain and suffering caused by failed economies.
 
2020-05-19 11:33:24 AM  

RussianPotato: guestguy: RussianPotato: rebelyell2006: That keeps people from being infected in the first place, and will protect us until vaccines are ready.

THAT WAS NEVER THE PLAN.

You're just making up what you want.  The only reason to stay at home was to flatten the curve.  We flattened the curve and in the meantime we learned a whole lot about treating the disease.

Would you force every 30 year old to donate a kidney to a 97 year old?  Would you force every young person to give up years of their life just to extend ever so slightly the lives of extremely old people?  Because that's what you're advocating for.

I advocate listening to medical professionals who specialize in epidemics...what are those professionals saying right now?

Medical professionals are not fit to comment on matters of politics.  They have no understanding of economics or the pain and suffering caused by failed economies.


Viruses don't give two shiats about politics.  Listen to the farking experts.  Follow their plan for "safely" reopening the country.
 
2020-05-19 11:33:31 AM  

FormlessOne: know I'm not supposed to feel like this, but, by all that's good in the world, I'm starting to hate people in general.

We Poets in our youth begin in gladness;
But thereof come in the end despondency and madness.


I don't feel misanthropy anymore. I'm not convinced many of us have the control we imagine in either ourselves or the people in office. The fetor of Trumpism has come just as we aged ones are on the cusp of dotage. All I can ask of you youthful Farkers who are also Trumpers is to snap out of it. Authoritarianism has never been good. There's a story of mountain climbing in Robert Graves's Goodbye to All That. (This will come 'round in the end.) One of the guys climbing with Graves became overly fearful and fretful and started to actually whimper. His sister hissed at him, "Have a bit of wit, Conor." Shamed, he straightened out, composed himself, and successfully continued the climb.  Please, have a bit of wit, Trumpers.
 
2020-05-19 11:33:34 AM  
One of the worst myths about viral diseases is equating antibodies with strength and good health. A virus attacks you, your immune system fends it off, and you're left either ok or damaged from the attack, but certainly not better off. People aren't feeling so great for a loooooooong time after getting this virus. It can really beat the shiat out of your body, especially the lungs and kidneys. And it can go after other systems as well. But hey, you're left with some antibodies!! Yay!!
 
2020-05-19 11:33:51 AM  

RussianPotato: rebelyell2006: That keeps people from being infected in the first place, and will protect us until vaccines are ready.

THAT WAS NEVER THE PLAN.

You're just making up what you want.  The only reason to stay at home was to flatten the curve.  We flattened the curve and in the meantime we learned a whole lot about treating the disease.

Would you force every 30 year old to donate a kidney to a 97 year old?  Would you force every young person to give up years of their life just to extend ever so slightly the lives of extremely old people?  Because that's what you're advocating for.


"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it"

I mean, it's not like we don't have something very similar from a century ago we could look at for an example.

If you lose your humanity while trying to make sure children's lives aren't disrupted for a few months (even a year), guess what - you caused a problem that will disrupt their entire lives and take generations to fix.
 
2020-05-19 11:34:32 AM  

Znuh: Listening to Sean M's FUD will get you killed.

R0 is 5.7. 

90,000 dead in two months.

It's real, it kills, and if it doesn't kill you, you stand a good change of being farked for life.

Extra bonus if you become an asymptomatic super-shedder and kill innocents while tooling around.

Stay at home works. 
Breaking the cycle of infection, works. 
Reducing the load on Hospitals is a good thing. 
Wearing your damn mask reduces spread. 

Remember, it doesn't care about your Politics, it doesn't care about your feelings. It cares for hosts. 

All it wants are hosts. 

Don't let it have any new ones.


To be clear, R0 is 5.7 globally - right now, in Washington, R0 is approaching 1, but it's done so in part due to our early & fairly well-adopted COVID-19 directives.

I know this because we get weekly (or more often) updates from Microsoft about the current state of affairs, to determine when we can come back to campus. Here's what we were told this morning:
- The only continental U.S. states with an R approximately less than 1 are Kansas, Massachusetts, Missouri, Nebraska, New Jersey, and New York.
- In Washington, our R is approximately 1, a slight improvement over last week. We're seeing an additional 248 cases a day, down from last week's average of 272 new cases a day, and most of that growth is from eastern WA.
- California's R is about 1.1, with about 45% of new cases from Los Angeles county. The 9 counties in the Bay Area are basically flat.

We are making progress, but that's precisely because some states have taken appropriate measures. The main reason we're still seeing a brutal upward trend is because the states that didn't take measures are still shooting for the moon, and some states that "reopened," like Georgia, are seeing upticks.
 
2020-05-19 11:34:56 AM  

jso2897: rebelyell2006: Tommy Moo: rebelyell2006: No, just an older idiot with no understanding of how viruses work. Look at his reference to chicken pox parties.

AKA literally a virus. I'm here providing sources and historical citations. What's your f_c%king plan, to sit home jacking off for months and then catch the virus in the fall when someone coughs in your face? This isn't going away just because we "sheltered in place" for a few months. It's going to be there, waiting for you, when you emerge. And you will emerge someday.

I go to work every weekday, I wear masks, use hand sanitizer, wash my hands, use napkins or tissues to handle doors and touch screens, don't touch my face or pick my nose, keep six feet between myself and others, etc etc.  Allergies are acting up a bit because of tree pollen, but no colds or random bugs or sinus infections, thanks to the precautions I have been taking.  But not everybody can and not everybody will do those things, hence the Stay At Home and the mandatory mask orders.  That keeps people from being infected in the first place, and will protect us until vaccines are ready.

A lot of people seem to think that everybody is going to catch Covid - indeed, I have heard a number of people say it.
Of course, no disease ever reaches an infection rate of 100% ever. No where close to it, usually.
Estimates I have read guess that if absolutely nothing were done, covid could expect to top out somewhere around 70-75% - and that's a high estimate.
Many, many millions of people will never catch this disease - I propose to be one of them.
It's not at all far fetched - for one thing, we are taking measures, and Covid's saturation point could end up being less than 50% of the population, if we're really, really lucky.
The idea that "everybody's gonig to get it" is sub-stupid.


I went to a bar in Germany that was down in some second basement. Until your comment, that was the lowest bar I'd ever seen.
 
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2020-05-19 11:37:23 AM  
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2020-05-19 11:37:52 AM  

RussianPotato: guestguy: RussianPotato: rebelyell2006: That keeps people from being infected in the first place, and will protect us until vaccines are ready.

THAT WAS NEVER THE PLAN.

You're just making up what you want.  The only reason to stay at home was to flatten the curve.  We flattened the curve and in the meantime we learned a whole lot about treating the disease.

Would you force every 30 year old to donate a kidney to a 97 year old?  Would you force every young person to give up years of their life just to extend ever so slightly the lives of extremely old people?  Because that's what you're advocating for.

I advocate listening to medical professionals who specialize in epidemics...what are those professionals saying right now?

Medical professionals are not fit to comment on matters of politics.  They have no understanding of economics or the pain and suffering caused by failed economies.


So the only people who should speak on the subject are the abject urban poor in Asia, Africa, and Latin America.

I'm serious.
 
2020-05-19 11:38:03 AM  

rebelyell2006: Sweden, the country with the highest per-capita death rates in Europe right now?


That would be Belgium.

Sweden is the country that has flattened the curve and seen a slow, steady decline in new infections for the past month. According to all you armchair experts, they should still be seeing exponential increase in new cases and deaths. The fact that there aren't 100,000 dead in Sweden at this point is proof that you don't need ironclad, draconian lockdowns to prevent the virus from exponentially overwhelming a society.

Their model was to protect the old and sick and allow the young and healthy to do exactly what this article is talking about. It was always likely to have a few more deaths than some other countries up front. But you'll see the value in it this summer when Sweden is enjoying its herd immunity while the rest of us are still being viciated by a steady trickle of death.
 
2020-05-19 11:41:19 AM  

Tommy Moo: viciated


vitiated

For it is said, that when that due time, or appointed time comes, their foot shall slide. Then they shall be left to fall, as they are inclined by their own weight. God will not hold them up in these slippery places any longer, but will let them go; and then, at that very instant, they shall fall into destruction
 
2020-05-19 11:43:12 AM  

Tommy Moo: rebelyell2006: Sweden, the country with the highest per-capita death rates in Europe right now?

That would be Belgium.

Sweden is the country that has flattened the curve and seen a slow, steady decline in new infections for the past month. According to all you armchair experts, they should still be seeing exponential increase in new cases and deaths. The fact that there aren't 100,000 dead in Sweden at this point is proof that you don't need ironclad, draconian lockdowns to prevent the virus from exponentially overwhelming a society.

Their model was to protect the old and sick and allow the young and healthy to do exactly what this article is talking about. It was always likely to have a few more deaths than some other countries up front. But you'll see the value in it this summer when Sweden is enjoying its herd immunity while the rest of us are still being viciated by a steady trickle of death.


Well, I can see you are misusing the phrase "herd immunity", so it is safe to conclude that you have no idea what you are talking about.
 
2020-05-19 11:46:17 AM  

yakmans_dad: jso2897: rebelyell2006: Tommy Moo: rebelyell2006: No, just an older idiot with no understanding of how viruses work. Look at his reference to chicken pox parties.

AKA literally a virus. I'm here providing sources and historical citations. What's your f_c%king plan, to sit home jacking off for months and then catch the virus in the fall when someone coughs in your face? This isn't going away just because we "sheltered in place" for a few months. It's going to be there, waiting for you, when you emerge. And you will emerge someday.

I go to work every weekday, I wear masks, use hand sanitizer, wash my hands, use napkins or tissues to handle doors and touch screens, don't touch my face or pick my nose, keep six feet between myself and others, etc etc.  Allergies are acting up a bit because of tree pollen, but no colds or random bugs or sinus infections, thanks to the precautions I have been taking.  But not everybody can and not everybody will do those things, hence the Stay At Home and the mandatory mask orders.  That keeps people from being infected in the first place, and will protect us until vaccines are ready.

A lot of people seem to think that everybody is going to catch Covid - indeed, I have heard a number of people say it.
Of course, no disease ever reaches an infection rate of 100% ever. No where close to it, usually.
Estimates I have read guess that if absolutely nothing were done, covid could expect to top out somewhere around 70-75% - and that's a high estimate.
Many, many millions of people will never catch this disease - I propose to be one of them.
It's not at all far fetched - for one thing, we are taking measures, and Covid's saturation point could end up being less than 50% of the population, if we're really, really lucky.
The idea that "everybody's gonig to get it" is sub-stupid.

I went to a bar in Germany that was down in some second basement. Until your comment, that was the lowest bar I'd ever seen.


How so? Am I wrong? Can you prove it?
Protip: You can't.
 
2020-05-19 11:47:49 AM  

Sean M: The mathematical modelling "science" ended up being flat-out wrong.  The hospitals weren't overwhelmed, not even close.


The weird thing is I knew a Sean M. years ago, who likewise wasn't particularly bright, and once said, "We don't need all these food programs for people; nobody in this country is starving." You don't live in Colorado, do you?
 
2020-05-19 11:53:01 AM  

I sound fat: yeah!  Cause treating this contagion like every other one humanity has ever faced is stupid!

Lets all stop living life forever until all germs are gone for good, thats the SMART thing to do!

/ stop being dumb.


More dumb than fat.

That Mitchell and Webb Look - Send us your reckons
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2020-05-19 11:54:41 AM  
I wondered how long before chicken pox thinking would be applied to Covid-19.  The old ways were not always the best.
 
2020-05-19 11:54:47 AM  
Coronavirus survivors banned from joining the military

"During the medical history interview or examination, a history of COVID-19, confirmed by either a laboratory test or a clinician diagnosis, is permanently disqualifying ..."
 
2020-05-19 11:55:27 AM  

Prank Call of Cthulhu: Sean M: The mathematical modelling "science" ended up being flat-out wrong.  The hospitals weren't overwhelmed, not even close.

The weird thing is I knew a Sean M. years ago, who likewise wasn't particularly bright, and once said, "We don't need all these food programs for people; nobody in this country is starving." You don't live in Colorado, do you?


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2020-05-19 11:55:47 AM  
While this would probably "work", the fact remains that getting infected so that you don't get infected kind of defeats the purpose. There is a decent chance that getting sick with this will require hospitalization to save your life . The virus spreads just fine on its own and doesn't need extra help. Not to mention Im pretty sure these people will end up spreading the virus to others.
 
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