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(NYPost)   How can someone with a 3.49 ERA and leading the league in K/9 have a 20-loss season, immediately after he had a 20-win season? The answer won't surprise you   (nypost.com) divider line
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2020-05-19 11:07:51 AM  
Because wins and losses have relatively little to do with how well someone pitched?

It's a shocking new discovery we've only known about for a couple of decades.
 
2020-05-19 11:14:53 AM  

NetOwl: Because wins and losses have relatively little to do with how well someone pitched?

It's a shocking new discovery we've only known about for a couple of decades.


Unless you are the supposed best pitcher in the NL who chokes in 4 pitches at your home stadium costing your team the world series
 
2020-05-19 11:33:56 AM  
The 3.49 is over six innings and you have the shiattiest bullpen in the world behind you?

/these days anyhow
 
2020-05-19 11:37:43 AM  

lifeslammer: NetOwl: Because wins and losses have relatively little to do with how well someone pitched?

It's a shocking new discovery we've only known about for a couple of decades.

Unless you are the supposed best pitcher in the NL who chokes in 4 pitches at your home stadium costing your team the world series



You'd judge a season based on four pitches?

Also, that sounds like using playoff success, not wins and losses, as your criterion.  If you're going to rage against modern baseball analytics, be consistent about it.
 
2020-05-19 12:11:54 PM  
I was going to guess "get traded to the Mets".

/ pretty close
 
2020-05-19 12:50:19 PM  
What was supposed to be Jerry Koosman Day is my cousin's birthday. He was going to buy tickets for whoever wanted to go (we'd pay him back later) with a deadline of what turned out to be just before the world stopped. I was so happy to hear he saw what was coming and never completed the purchase as the Mets have been less than generous with refunds.
 
2020-05-19 1:08:34 PM  

NetOwl: lifeslammer: NetOwl: Because wins and losses have relatively little to do with how well someone pitched?

It's a shocking new discovery we've only known about for a couple of decades.

Unless you are the supposed best pitcher in the NL who chokes in 4 pitches at your home stadium costing your team the world series


You'd judge a season based on four pitches?

Also, that sounds like using playoff success, not wins and losses, as your criterion.  If you're going to rage against modern baseball analytics, be consistent about it.


Didn't you get the memo that David Eckstein was a better player than Barry Bonds?
 
2020-05-19 1:40:34 PM  
F the mets.
 
2020-05-19 2:19:49 PM  
Or you can be like the old-timers and have 20 wins and 20 losses in the same season.
 
2020-05-19 2:46:54 PM  

edmo: The 3.49 is over six innings and you have the shiattiest bullpen in the world behind you?

/these days anyhow


or the shiattiest offense?
/1 run ERA difference from 1 year to the next can mean the difference between a win and a loss...

JC
 
2020-05-19 2:59:26 PM  
Let me guess...The Mets?

*checks article*

Yep.
 
2020-05-19 3:17:53 PM  
You have to be a good pitcher on a shiatty team and not get traded in order to lose 20 games. You need to be good enough to keep your starting job but have such terrible run support that it's difficult to get wins.
 
2020-05-19 3:50:56 PM  
Denny McLain won 31 in 1968, 24 in '69, and lost 22 in '71.
 
2020-05-19 4:08:08 PM  
Huh, fact checking must be hard. Maroth lost 21 games for the Tigers in 2003. Hell Bonderman lost 19 for them too. They tried really hard to beat the Mets for most losses in a season but came up a few short.
 
2020-05-19 4:45:30 PM  
I know the answer, rhymes with Jets, J-E-S-T, Jests Jests Jests!
 
2020-05-19 9:12:38 PM  
A lack of run support was largely to blame, as any time he allowed more than three runs, he was charged with a loss.

Yeah, that's kind of how that works. Chart enough games and four runs is the tipping point for nine innings, let alone averaging seven. The Mets also scored more than three runs in all of his wins and averaged more than six.

He basically pitched very well when they scored a bunch of runs anyway and was otherwise significantly below average, 1.58 ERA in his wins and 4.50 in his losses. So you lose 20 games with a 3.49 ERA (107 ERA+) by pitching well enough in a quarter of your starts to pull your season ERA down a full point.
 
2020-05-19 9:18:34 PM  

Arkanaut: Or you can be like the old-timers and have 20 wins and 20 losses in the same season.


Always was a fan of Wilbur Wood.
 
2020-05-19 9:36:01 PM  

Stud Gerbil: Arkanaut: Or you can be like the old-timers and have 20 wins and 20 losses in the same season.

Always was a fan of Wilbur Wood.


I'm a Pud Galvin man myself. Walter Johnson is also good.

Are we talking about pitchers with penisy names?
 
2020-05-19 10:03:22 PM  

Uncle Pooky: F the mets.


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