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2020-05-19 3:24:32 AM  
85 votes:
Unlike flouting social distancing rules, taking this drug is a thing that Trumpistas can do to show their loyalty without hurting innocent people. So I guess I'm for it.
 
2020-05-19 7:27:07 AM  
56 votes:

Garza and the Supermutants: Unlike flouting social distancing rules, taking this drug is a thing that Trumpistas can do to show their loyalty without hurting innocent people. So I guess I'm for it.


Well, except there are people (like my wife), who need it to live and there are worries about shortages caused by the Trump nonsense. So, yeah, not so victimless.
 
2020-05-19 3:09:15 AM  
53 votes:
What is the hype with this? Is it just pure money?  WTF

"Mr. Trump first expressed interest in hydroxychloroquine a few weeks ago, telling associates that Mr. [Larry] Ellison, a billionaire and a founder of Oracle, had discussed it with him. At the time, Dr. Mehmet Oz, the host of television's "The Doctor Oz Show," was in touch with Mr. Trump's advisers about expediting approval to use the drug for the coronavirus.

Mr. [Rudolph] Giuliani has urged Mr. Trump to embrace the drug, based in part on the advice of Dr. Vladimir Zelenko, a self-described simple country doctor who has become a hit on conservative media after administering a cocktail of hydroxychloroquine, the antibiotic azithromycin and zinc sulfate."

Yeah, that's not cultish at all.

This is how empires end.
 
2020-05-19 4:32:58 AM  
45 votes:
Hope they get sued into the stone age for wrongful death.
 
2020-05-19 3:53:11 AM  
35 votes:
Stop. Don't. Come back.

/Ready the oompa loompas.
 
2020-05-19 7:31:37 AM  
33 votes:
Oh, and why is this happening?

Right-wing media has been built on pushing "miracle cures" that the "elites" and "experts" don't want you to know about for decades. In the past, this was part of the scam; it was how this media made money, and it was all part of a "complex" for bullshiatting conservatives and creating more dupes.

Maybe it still is (somebody with money invested may be pushing this behind the scenes). But, increasingly, there is evidence that those running the right aren't the con artists but rather the marks. For decades, those in charge KNEW it was a scam. Now a lot of them don't seem to.

Basically, Frankstein monster has escaped from its master's control.

See: https://thebaffler.com/salvos/th​e-long​-con and https://splinternews.com/the-long​-lucr​ative-right-wing-grift-is-blowing-up-i​n-t-1793944216
 
2020-05-19 7:26:24 AM  
29 votes:
Sinclair may be more insidious than FOXnews.
 
2020-05-19 7:36:01 AM  
27 votes:
Between this and the GOP Reps using their question time to promote/defend the drug... this is a political movement that's incapable of introspection or admitting mistakes. The cult is trying to rewrite history on a national scale rather than admit to jumping the gun on this treatment with insufficient evidence, or even just quietly moving on.

It's very Orwellian.
 
2020-05-19 7:38:40 AM  
26 votes:
In a sane America, this behavior would get their FCC license revoked nationwide. This is the exact opposite of operating in the public interest.
 
2020-05-19 8:45:26 AM  
25 votes:
Hey folks, as a warning,

backhand.slap.of.reason

has made prevoius wild claims, such as
https://www.fark.com/comments/1069428​9​/125337524#c125337524
"Photos and anecdotal evidence indicate that Wuhan is under a thick cloud of crematory smoke.  Funerary processing infrastructure is running 24/7."

and

https://www.fark.com/comments/1070524​6​/125515838#c125515838
"Of the hundreds of thousands of viruses that have been identified and sequenced, this is the only one that targets the ACE2 receptor.  The behavior is otherwise unobserved in nature.

It must have been a very exotic and rare wild animal indeed."

(Note: Sars-COV2 is not, in fact, the only virus to have ever targeted the ACE2 receptor. In fact, the original SARS virus did).


And when called out on it, often went with defenses along the lines of 'Well I'm just spreading what I saw on twitter, it's not my fault if the info's bad'.


One should take any of their medical claims with INCREDIBLE grains of salt.
 
2020-05-19 8:55:05 AM  
23 votes:

Ashelth: duppy: Hope they get sued into the stone age for wrongful death.

And everyone just ignores most of fark was backing the use of the drug.


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2020-05-19 7:33:14 AM  
22 votes:
Mark my words, Trumpublicans will eventually force people to take this drug to prove their loyalty to Trump. Trump is willing to kill people rather than admit that he was ever wrong.
 
2020-05-19 6:30:17 AM  
22 votes:
If I didn't know any better I'd say Trump must have used his own money.

This is what happens when a pump and dump goes wrong.
 
2020-05-19 7:22:51 AM  
20 votes:
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"Hydroxychloroquine is good medicine. You take it, dah? Send all remdesivir to Russia"
 
2020-05-19 7:38:02 AM  
19 votes:
One thing I want to highlight in all this mess: it's clear that Trump is used to using his doctors as unregulated drug dispensaries.  When he wants a drug, he will get his doctor to get it for him, no matter what the doctor recommends.  I bet his medical records are full of interesting prescriptions for all sorts of drugs.
 
2020-05-19 7:20:17 AM  
19 votes:
Genocide.
It's not always a camp.
It's not alway wrapped in a flag carrying a cross.

The time the genocide is demanding we buy it now for 6 low payments 19.95.
Don't delay call today: 1 800 187 SELF
 
2020-05-19 7:41:03 AM  
17 votes:
There's still no indications that this does anything at all for the virus.  In most cases it apparently makes people worse.  Or dead.
 
2020-05-19 9:14:24 AM  
16 votes:
I actively encourage all Trumpsters to take Trump's medical advice.  After all:

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2020-05-19 7:38:21 AM  
16 votes:

LeroyBourne: I'm just waiting for the tweet response to Pelosi's morbidly obese comment.


She's not wrong.  He doesn't exercise, eats fast food all day long, has to take a golf cart if he has to walk more than 10 yards.  Sits on his ass for 5-6 hours a day watching Fox News Channel.  Well probably not Cavuto.
 
2020-05-19 8:09:42 AM  
15 votes:

backhand.slap.of.reason: Have y'all every taken a look at how nations that treat suspected Covid-19 patients with HCQ at the first sign of illness?  That have CFR's between 0.03% and 2%.

America's CFR was yesterday was 24%.


Why did you made your stupid lie so specific and out there?
 
2020-05-19 8:15:12 AM  
14 votes:

Ashelth: duppy: Hope they get sued into the stone age for wrongful death.

And everyone just ignores most of fark was backing the use of the drug.


Even in terms of attempts to deflect from conservative idiocy with BSAB this is a pretty lame one.
 
2020-05-19 7:32:47 AM  
13 votes:
I'm just waiting for the tweet response to Pelosi's morbidly obese comment.
 
2020-05-19 8:29:21 AM  
12 votes:

RyogaM: One thing I want to highlight in all this mess: it's clear that Trump is used to using his doctors as unregulated drug dispensaries.  When he wants a drug, he will get his doctor to get it for him, no matter what the doctor recommends.  I bet his medical records are full of interesting prescriptions for all sorts of drugs.


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2020-05-19 8:33:52 AM  
11 votes:
One pill makes hands smaller
One pill makes you crawl
And the pills that Donny gives you
Don't do anything at all

Remember
What the pundit said
Count your dead
Count your dead
 
2020-05-19 7:54:51 AM  
11 votes:
Scary thing about delusions, you start believing your own baloney and can't get back to reality no matter how hard you try on your own.

Hey Trump,
Barack Obama can read all of your thoughts. No thought is private from him, he knows all your secrets, even the ones you don't remember, he can dig in your brain and find everything without touching you. He can see what you see through your eyeballs like they're video cameras.
If you hurt yourself, Obama can feel it through the psychic link. Same if you listen to something annoying, he'll hear it. Artists can defend against psychic attacks if they're good at drawing realism. This is why the Soviet Union focused on realism in art and why GWB started painting. You can't draw, so you can't trick them with rapid false images that look real.

Ask your doctor for 5mg-10mg Aripiprazole to make Obama disappear.
 
2020-05-19 7:31:20 AM  
11 votes:

Garza and the Supermutants: Unlike flouting social distancing rules, taking this drug is a thing that Trumpistas can do to show their loyalty without hurting innocent people. So I guess I'm for it.


Innocent people with lupus might suffer from shortages, but as far as maggot auto da fes this would be one of the less damaging.
 
2020-05-19 7:49:29 AM  
10 votes:
Sinclair?
Sinclair's script for stations
Youtube hWLjYJ4BzvI
 
2020-05-19 8:51:42 AM  
9 votes:

Felgraf: Hey folks, as a warning,

backhand.slap.of.reason

has made prevoius wild claims, such as
https://www.fark.com/comments/10694289​/125337524#c125337524
"Photos and anecdotal evidence indicate that Wuhan is under a thick cloud of crematory smoke.  Funerary processing infrastructure is running 24/7."

and

https://www.fark.com/comments/10705246​/125515838#c125515838
"Of the hundreds of thousands of viruses that have been identified and sequenced, this is the only one that targets the ACE2 receptor.  The behavior is otherwise unobserved in nature.

It must have been a very exotic and rare wild animal indeed."

(Note: Sars-COV2 is not, in fact, the only virus to have ever targeted the ACE2 receptor. In fact, the original SARS virus did).


And when called out on it, often went with defenses along the lines of 'Well I'm just spreading what I saw on twitter, it's not my fault if the info's bad'.


One should take any of their medical claims with INCREDIBLE grains of salt.


Not to mention vaccine concern trolling and JAQing off...
 
2020-05-19 8:50:22 AM  
9 votes:

Grungehamster: It is especially strange swerve when you consider that we were all-in for the vaccine this weekend with Azar talking about how they are going to cut every corner to ensure there are 300 million doses available by January and Trump hired someone from the company touting early success in trials to be his new vaccine czar.

The most coherent explanation I have heard is that he was hearing from Rudy and Laura Ingraham that the drug has proven to be 100% effective despite what those "doctors" claim and decided that he abandoned it too early.


This needs to be reminded anytime there's talk of Ingraham being a medical expert.
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2020-05-19 8:05:41 AM  
9 votes:
That feeling you get when an old account suddenly gets a case of the obnoxious dipshiats.

No more clickies.  Today will be a Total War day.
 
2020-05-19 7:51:18 AM  
9 votes:
Because of course they did.

Wonder if they had any "must run's" on proper mask use or hand washing, or social distancing, or basically anything legit epidemiologists have been saying?

Any TV - follower know?
 
2020-05-19 9:00:57 AM  
8 votes:

Ashelth: duppy: Hope they get sued into the stone age for wrongful death.

And everyone just ignores most of fark was backing the use of the drug.


"Most of Fark" who what now?
 
2020-05-19 8:57:08 AM  
8 votes:

Felgraf: Hey folks, as a warning,

backhand.slap.of.reason

has made prevoius wild claims, such as
https://www.fark.com/comments/10694289​/125337524#c125337524
"Photos and anecdotal evidence indicate that Wuhan is under a thick cloud of crematory smoke.  Funerary processing infrastructure is running 24/7."

and

https://www.fark.com/comments/10705246​/125515838#c125515838
"Of the hundreds of thousands of viruses that have been identified and sequenced, this is the only one that targets the ACE2 receptor.  The behavior is otherwise unobserved in nature.

It must have been a very exotic and rare wild animal indeed."

(Note: Sars-COV2 is not, in fact, the only virus to have ever targeted the ACE2 receptor. In fact, the original SARS virus did).


And when called out on it, often went with defenses along the lines of 'Well I'm just spreading what I saw on twitter, it's not my fault if the info's bad'.


One should take any of their medical claims with INCREDIBLE grains of salt.


That's a lot of words to say "he's a farking liar".
 
2020-05-19 8:32:51 AM  
8 votes:

KarmicDisaster: Mark my words, Trumpublicans will eventually force people to take this drug to prove their loyalty to Trump. Trump is willing to kill people rather than admit that he was ever wrong.


*Is* this the "drink-the-koolaid" moment we've all been waiting for? Because, let's face it, when (not if) he sees his re-election fraud campaign totally not working, and he starts to realize the very real probability of anyone he confided in, and therefore himself, facing jail time--he's *going* to do something very drastic, even for him. That includes him being the coward that he is and having his dipshiat minions storm buildings, etc. and die very quickly by law enforcement.
 
2020-05-19 5:02:26 AM  
8 votes:
Idiocy.
 
2020-05-19 8:43:34 AM  
7 votes:
Of only there were laws or regulations designed to keep companies from owning so many stations...
 
2020-05-19 8:24:01 AM  
7 votes:
Hand it out at trump rallies


Put that shiat in pez dispensers
 
2020-05-19 9:20:45 AM  
6 votes:
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2020-05-19 8:55:03 AM  
6 votes:

Latinwolf: Grungehamster: It is especially strange swerve when you consider that we were all-in for the vaccine this weekend with Azar talking about how they are going to cut every corner to ensure there are 300 million doses available by January and Trump hired someone from the company touting early success in trials to be his new vaccine czar.

The most coherent explanation I have heard is that he was hearing from Rudy and Laura Ingraham that the drug has proven to be 100% effective despite what those "doctors" claim and decided that he abandoned it too early.

This needs to be reminded anytime there's talk of Ingraham being a medical expert.
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Laura "Zyklon Biatch" Ingraham,
 
2020-05-19 8:05:51 AM  
6 votes:
What I think Sinclair - and Trump - is doing is preventing the narrative from dropping from the national discussion. Maybe there's a profit incentive buried in there, somewhere, idk. But by continuing to talk about it, it makes the potus look less foolish as people begin to take notice that hdq really was all a bunch of hokum, voiced on a national stage as a possible cure. As the medical and science folks talk about actual possible solutions, many Anericans in the Sinclair cohort are going to notice the complete absence of hdq - and realize the potus might actually be full of s***, after all. Can't have that.
 
2020-05-19 7:30:23 AM  
6 votes:
It is especially strange swerve when you consider that we were all-in for the vaccine this weekend with Azar talking about how they are going to cut every corner to ensure there are 300 million doses available by January and Trump hired someone from the company touting early success in trials to be his new vaccine czar.

The most coherent explanation I have heard is that he was hearing from Rudy and Laura Ingraham that the drug has proven to be 100% effective despite what those "doctors" claim and decided that he abandoned it too early.
 
2020-05-19 9:17:26 AM  
5 votes:
I'm thinking this is a real time experiment that science will never have another opportunity to replicate - at least not ethically.
A whole segment of the population have volunteered to place themselves at various risks purely out of their idiot ideology.
So, I guess we get to see if social Darwinism actually works - if the mortality numbers are significant enough to actually reshape society to some observable degree.
This is the same as refusing to respect social distancing, or wear masks. We get to see an experiment we could never ethically perform without these "lifestyle volunteers".
 
2020-05-19 8:12:57 AM  
5 votes:

born_yesterday: If I didn't know any better I'd say Trump must have used his own money.

This is what happens when a pump and dump goes wrong.


A Trump Pump Dump is inevitably going to yield poor results....

"Insert picture of Eric here"
 
2020-05-19 8:00:13 AM  
5 votes:

Garza and the Supermutants: Unlike flouting social distancing rules, taking this drug is a thing that Trumpistas can do to show their loyalty without hurting innocent people. So I guess I'm for it.


Well,
Clearly you've never been psychotic or also lived with someone who is psychotic or done mental health peer support trying to convince people to not blow out their brains due to unstoppable thoughts and voices.

If I had to choose between a shattered thigh bone and psychosis, grab a sledgehammer and get it over with.
 
2020-05-19 7:57:20 AM  
5 votes:

eKonk: eiger: Oh, and why is this happening?

Right-wing media has been built on pushing "miracle cures" that the "elites" and "experts" don't want you to know about for decades. In the past, this was part of the scam; it was how this media made money, and it was all part of a "complex" for bullshiatting conservatives and creating more dupes.

Maybe it still is (somebody with money invested may be pushing this behind the scenes). But, increasingly, there is evidence that those running the right aren't the con artists but rather the marks. For decades, those in charge KNEW it was a scam. Now a lot of them don't seem to.

Basically, Frankstein monster has escaped from its master's control.

See: https://thebaffler.com/salvos/the​-long-con and https://splinternews.com/the-long-​lucrative-right-wing-grift-is-blowing-​up-in-t-1793944216

If they really want a miracle cure, they could go to one of the classic proven wonders that wouldn't cause shortages for people who actually need particular drugs.  Maybe snake oil? Well, not good for snakes...

Copenhagen? It cures fits, warts, freckles, coughs, colds, and runny nose, guaranteed not rip, run or snag, makes conception a wonder and childbirth a pleasure. It probably can take care of COVID-19. Plus it supports the tobacco industry, which has taken an awful beating in the past couple decades.


I mean, it probably helps that there was early reporting from China that they were seeing positive results from administration of the drug in some cases, and it is often used as an immune system regulator so in extreme cases (where your system is either weakened or is overcorrecting trying to fight the disease) that might help. Eventually it was tested and the results mostly showed high dosages had pretty nasty side effects and low dosages didn't show much improvement, so most of the research on it was abandoned.

Taking the drugs to prevent you from catching it? Absolutely no actual studies support that, but some Pennsylvania doctor and Rudy Giuliani got together on a plan to sell the stuff based on the doctor giving his patients the stuff and them not getting sick (while it is unclear if those patients were even exposed to the disease during that period.)
 
2020-05-19 6:53:02 AM  
5 votes:

Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: What is the hype with this? Is it just pure money? WTF


My new theory is that Trump is pushing it so that people will die from the drug and not from Corona.  That will make him look better.
 
2020-05-19 10:35:06 AM  
4 votes:
The fact that a drug has been successfully prescribed in the past for some very serious disease like lupus or malaria does NOT mean that it is "safe".
It only means that it is safer than the symptoms of the diseases it cures or suppresses, in the dose it is used for that purpose.
Doesn't mean it is safe to treat something else, in some other dosage, that it may or may not even help.
 
2020-05-19 9:26:12 AM  
4 votes:

Aquapope: Harry Wagstaff: Aquapope: How did he come up with hydoxychloroquine, a malaria drug?  I mean, he could have picked an athlete's foot drug or an acne drug, or even more appropriately, a respiratory drug.  So how did he decide on this particular ineffective drug when there are millions of ineffective drugs to choose from?

It was being used before he latched onto the idea. I was reading about it late in February.

OK.  So in late February, why was a malaria drug being used to fight a respiratory virus?  Why not a pregnancy drug or a cancer drug?  How did somebody think "Hey, let's try this drug that has nothing to do with this disease, maybe that will work."


Hyroxychloroquine (HCQ) had a few things going for it that made it pop out:
1. Presently an approved drug, with decades of use and safety data, so you can effectively dive straight into Phase III clinical trials. It also already had a supply chain for rapid manufacturing & distribution. It's low-hanging fruit.
2. In December & January, every lab that could do in vitro screens to to find potential SARS-CoV-2 inhibitors started with already approved drugs for the obvious reason: anything you can get to patients right away is desperately needed. Early reports indicated that HCQ could inhibit in vitro viral replication of SARS-CoV-2.
3. HCQ has been reported (since early 2000s) to have antiviral activity against several viruses, including HIV, influenza A, zika, and notably the 1st SARS virus. These studies were largely in vitro (some animal) and not testes in humans.
4. Due to 1-3, HCQ was seized upon by some physicians and researchers who, in efforts to get new clinical treatments vetted fast (and possibly not always with the purest motivations), ran small, short, poorly controlled, underpowered clinical trials using HCQ. Those early trials got relatively uncritical fast-track peer review (and many remain unreviewed preprints), and the media turned its firehose of nuance-free, panic-stricken credulity on full blast.

Trump's particular perseveration is probably most parsimoniously explained by the fact that he's an uncritical thinker that believes the last person he talked to about anything. If Larry Oracle and Rudy 9/11 say it's the bee's knees, have they ever steered him wrong? I think it's less likely that Trump has some financial stake in HCQ marketing and more likely that he's a germaphobe simultaneously getting Dunning-Kruger'd by sycophants and played by people who have a large stash of Sanofi SA stock...
 
2020-05-19 9:00:03 AM  
4 votes:
I encourage everyone who believes in and trust President Trump to continue to do so and to take HCQ to prevent COVID-19.

\ You farking idiots deserve to die if you're taking medical advice from a pathological kumquat.
 
2020-05-19 8:52:12 AM  
4 votes:

Harry Wagstaff: Aquapope: How did he come up with hydoxychloroquine, a malaria drug?  I mean, he could have picked an athlete's foot drug or an acne drug, or even more appropriately, a respiratory drug.  So how did he decide on this particular ineffective drug when there are millions of ineffective drugs to choose from?

It was being used before he latched onto the idea. I was reading about it late in February.


OK.  So in late February, why was a malaria drug being used to fight a respiratory virus?  Why not a pregnancy drug or a cancer drug?  How did somebody think "Hey, let's try this drug that has nothing to do with this disease, maybe that will work."
 
2020-05-19 8:47:02 AM  
4 votes:

Garza and the Supermutants: Unlike flouting social distancing rules, taking this drug is a thing that Trumpistas can do to show their loyalty without hurting innocent people. So I guess I'm for it.


If it doesn't work they could still be hurting the people around them. This thing is not being promoted because it works, but because certain people are making a profit off it.
 
2020-05-19 8:35:43 AM  
4 votes:
I'm really glad I refused to talk to them about possible employment. I just couldn't bring myself to a place where I would be able to look myself i the mirror for doing anything that would aid or promote fascism.
 
2020-05-19 7:56:06 AM  
4 votes:

eiger: Oh, and why is this happening?

Right-wing media has been built on pushing "miracle cures" that the "elites" and "experts" don't want you to know about for decades. In the past, this was part of the scam; it was how this media made money, and it was all part of a "complex" for bullshiatting conservatives and creating more dupes.

Maybe it still is (somebody with money invested may be pushing this behind the scenes). But, increasingly, there is evidence that those running the right aren't the con artists but rather the marks. For decades, those in charge KNEW it was a scam. Now a lot of them don't seem to.

Basically, Frankstein monster has escaped from its master's control.

See: https://thebaffler.com/salvos/the​-long-con and https://splinternews.com/the-long-​lucrative-right-wing-grift-is-blowing-​up-in-t-1793944216


I've heard this theory applied to Trump, himself.
 
2020-05-19 12:48:06 PM  
3 votes:

Nonpo: Hydroxychloroquine actually doesn't have any dangerous side effects, or if it does they're exceedingly rare.

Am I really the only one who took the time to actually look up all this stuff when this drug popped up on the radar in regards to coronavirus? It's a drug that has been around for a long time and has been given to millions of people and it is widely regarded as safe with minor side effects like nausea or a rash. It's used for malaria, lupus and arthritis among other things. It is not some crazy drug with crazy side effects that is going to kill you.

There are also data showing it can be effective as long as it is administered early on. Like all antivirals, it works best early on when the virus is still replicating because it stops the virus from replicating. Once the virus has replicated enough then what really starts to do the damage is your own immune system and again hydroxychloroquine might have some beneficial effect here, but the data we have suggest it doesn't have a large effect when given late, if any. It is important to take it early before people become very ill which supports the use as a prophylactic like India is doing with their healthcare workers. There are also data suggesting it works in combination with azithromycin as long as it is administered early on. There are also data showing that zinc is an important co-factor that significantly increased the likelihood of being discharged, and significantly decreased the likelihood of needing to be admitted to the ICU, needing invasive ventilation, or being admitted to hospice/dying.

All of the studies that have shown HCQ didn't work or even *gasp* increased death tell us literally nothing because they were all retrospective studies that didn't control for the timing of the dose as it related to the disease progression and all of them noted that the HCQ group was more sick than the control group. More sick patients were more likely to receive the drug so they had worse outcomes. This tells you nothing. When you control for the time the dose is given, every time it comes back that HCQ works only in the group that took the drug early before the disease got bad. It's not a miracle cure and we still need a randomized double blinded study which controls for both time the drug is administered and zinc as factors to confirm the treatment works, but it does seem to have some beneficial effect if you take it early enough based on current evidence, especially in combination with zinc and possibly azithromycin as well.


So why aren't the medical experts at the CDC or Fauci pushing hdq as hard as you and Trump are? Isn't that a pretty big, red flag that it's going nowhere?

Why would you continue acting as if its viable, still?
 
2020-05-19 9:43:46 AM  
3 votes:

backhand.slap.of.reason: Have y'all every taken a look at how nations that treat suspected Covid-19 patients with HCQ at the first sign of illness?  That have CFR's between 0.03% and 2%.

America's CFR was yesterday was 24%.


Fark user image

Interdasting.
 
2020-05-19 9:40:54 AM  
3 votes:

funmonger: Ashelth: duppy: Hope they get sued into the stone age for wrongful death.

And everyone just ignores most of fark was backing the use of the drug.

"Most of Fark" who what now?


We're on a site where you see Conservatives crying about this place being an echo chamber because people aren't buying into their bullshait and this  dumbass is implying that most of Fark is buying into their bullshait.
 
2020-05-19 9:04:49 AM  
3 votes:

Tyrone Slothrop: Felgraf: Hey folks, as a warning,

backhand.slap.of.reason

has made prevoius wild claims, such as
https://www.fark.com/comments/10694289​/125337524#c125337524
"Photos and anecdotal evidence indicate that Wuhan is under a thick cloud of crematory smoke.  Funerary processing infrastructure is running 24/7."

and

https://www.fark.com/comments/10705246​/125515838#c125515838
"Of the hundreds of thousands of viruses that have been identified and sequenced, this is the only one that targets the ACE2 receptor.  The behavior is otherwise unobserved in nature.

It must have been a very exotic and rare wild animal indeed."

(Note: Sars-COV2 is not, in fact, the only virus to have ever targeted the ACE2 receptor. In fact, the original SARS virus did).


And when called out on it, often went with defenses along the lines of 'Well I'm just spreading what I saw on twitter, it's not my fault if the info's bad'.


One should take any of their medical claims with INCREDIBLE grains of salt.

That's a lot of words to say "he's a farking liar".


Oh, it is, but he doesn't tend to abandon threads until someone points out how utterly wrong he's been in the past.

... Plus it's fun.
 
2020-05-19 8:51:08 AM  
3 votes:

Garza and the Supermutants: Unlike flouting social distancing rules, taking this drug is a thing that Trumpistas can do to show their loyalty without hurting innocent people. So I guess I'm for it.


No, because shortages are hurting people who take it for autoimmune issues like Lupus.
 
2020-05-19 8:47:36 AM  
3 votes:

Aquapope: How did he come up with hydoxychloroquine, a malaria drug?  I mean, he could have picked an athlete's foot drug or an acne drug, or even more appropriately, a respiratory drug.  So how did he decide on this particular ineffective drug when there are millions of ineffective drugs to choose from?


It was being used before he latched onto the idea. I was reading about it late in February.
 
2020-05-19 8:44:20 AM  
3 votes:

Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: What is the hype with this? Is it just pure money?  WTF

"Mr. Trump first expressed interest in hydroxychloroquine a few weeks ago, telling associates that Mr. [Larry] Ellison, a billionaire and a founder of Oracle, had discussed it with him. At the time, Dr. Mehmet Oz, the host of television's "The Doctor Oz Show," was in touch with Mr. Trump's advisers about expediting approval to use the drug for the coronavirus.

Mr. [Rudolph] Giuliani has urged Mr. Trump to embrace the drug, based in part on the advice of Dr. Vladimir Zelenko, a self-described simple country doctor who has become a hit on conservative media after administering a cocktail of hydroxychloroquine, the antibiotic azithromycin and zinc sulfate."

Yeah, that's not cultish at all.

This is how empires end.


America died a while ago, it's just that its corpse is still walking around for a bit.
 
2020-05-19 8:43:21 AM  
3 votes:
Go ahead and kill yourselves bleachnick hydroxymorons.
 
2020-05-19 8:11:43 AM  
3 votes:

Jake Havechek: There's still no indications that this does anything at all for the virus.  In most cases it apparently makes people worse.  Or dead.


if the President and his supporters are using it, I feel sorry for them, but I do not think the possibility of death is a downside
 
2020-05-19 7:55:34 AM  
3 votes:
100% of patients who took this treatment recovered, except for the ones that died.
 
2020-05-19 7:47:26 AM  
3 votes:

RyogaM: One thing I want to highlight in all this mess: it's clear that Trump is used to using his doctors as unregulated drug dispensaries.  When he wants a drug, he will get his doctor to get it for him, no matter what the doctor recommends.  I bet his medical records are full of interesting prescriptions for all sorts of drugs.


Well three years ago his personal doctor got his office raided after he shared with the NY Times what medications he prescribed to Trump:

President Trump takes medication for three ailments, including a prostate-related drug to promote hair growth, Mr. Trump's longtime physician, Dr. Harold N. Bornstein, said in a series of recent interviews.

The other drugs are antibiotics to control rosacea, a common skin problem, and a statin for elevated blood cholesterol and lipids.
Dr. Bornstein, who spoke by telephone in four interviews over the past month, also said that Mr. Trump takes a daily baby aspirin to reduce the risk of a heart attack. Over all, he pronounced Mr. Trump healthy and his medical care "as exactly up to date."
 
2020-05-19 7:39:06 AM  
3 votes:

eiger: Oh, and why is this happening?

Right-wing media has been built on pushing "miracle cures" that the "elites" and "experts" don't want you to know about for decades. In the past, this was part of the scam; it was how this media made money, and it was all part of a "complex" for bullshiatting conservatives and creating more dupes.

Maybe it still is (somebody with money invested may be pushing this behind the scenes). But, increasingly, there is evidence that those running the right aren't the con artists but rather the marks. For decades, those in charge KNEW it was a scam. Now a lot of them don't seem to.

Basically, Frankstein monster has escaped from its master's control.

See: https://thebaffler.com/salvos/the​-long-con and https://splinternews.com/the-long-​lucrative-right-wing-grift-is-blowing-​up-in-t-1793944216


If they really want a miracle cure, they could go to one of the classic proven wonders that wouldn't cause shortages for people who actually need particular drugs.  Maybe snake oil? Well, not good for snakes...

Copenhagen? It cures fits, warts, freckles, coughs, colds, and runny nose, guaranteed not rip, run or snag, makes conception a wonder and childbirth a pleasure. It probably can take care of COVID-19. Plus it supports the tobacco industry, which has taken an awful beating in the past couple decades.
 
2020-05-19 1:13:45 PM  
2 votes:

backhand.slap.of.reason: thurstonxhowell: backhand.slap.of.reason: Have y'all every taken a look at how nations that treat suspected Covid-19 patients with HCQ at the first sign of illness?  That have CFR's between 0.03% and 2%.

America's CFR was yesterday was 24%.

Why did you made your stupid lie so specific and out there?

CFR is a consideration of resolved cases only.  At this moment, we have 90,885 deaths and 290,172 recoveries ergo CFR = (90,885/(90,885 + 290,172)) = 26%.  An astounding 1,161,749 infections remain unresolved in the United States.

Bahrain, a nation that uses early hydroxychloroquine as front line defense has had 12 deaths and 2958 recoveries.  Their current CFR is 0.4%.

Austrailia, which also uses early chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine, has a CFR of 1.5%.

Senegal, which treats every coronavirus patient with hydroxychloroqine, has a CFR of 2.4%.

Singapore, which treats cases caught early with hydroxychloroquine, has a CFR of 0.2%

And so on.  But please, tell me how much better these nations with abysmal fatality rates like France, the United States, and Great Britain are at treating Covid-19 because they don't use snake oil cures like early hydroxychloroquine.  By the way, for those of you that are dense, early in this context means pre-exposure, post-eposure, or shortly after becoming symptomatic.  Early treatment is something we can't even accomplish in the United States because you can't even get a test in cases where exposure is community acquired during the window in which HCQ or CQ are likely to be most effective.

I know y'all are stupid.  Those of you that are going to respond to this post are undoubtedly feverishly scrambling towards 'studies' where patients that have been sick for two or three weeks were given hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine to no effect.  Literally no one of merit advocates that it be used in patients with advanced illness.  It's theraputic window stretches from pre-exposure to a day or two after becoming symptomatic.  As at least single molecule of chloroquine or HCQ is needed per spike protein to completely neutralize a virus, entry inhibitors quickly lose their utility as viral load increases exponentially.

The definition of 'early' can be found here, in case you're dumb.


Then why aren't the world's leading experts pushing it forward? Why did they reject it? And given that, why are you still promoting its efficacy when they are not? Do you seriously think you know better than them? And if you don't, why are you telling Fark? Its like you think no one here hasn't also read plenty about hdq - and realized that the potential side effects are, by themselves, enough to rule it out.
 
2020-05-19 10:53:46 AM  
2 votes:

Grungehamster: It is especially strange swerve when you consider that we were all-in for the vaccine this weekend with Azar talking about how they are going to cut every corner to ensure there are 300 million doses available by January and Trump hired someone from the company touting early success in trials to be his new vaccine czar.

The most coherent explanation I have heard is that he was hearing from Rudy and Laura Ingraham that the drug has proven to be 100% effective despite what those "doctors" claim and decided that he abandoned it too early.


The GOP members during the testimony of Dr.Bright were harping on about it too.  A bunch of "my constituents are telling me it's working", and "didn't you support its use? Why did you turn against it? Was it because the President supported it?", And of course "we won't know for years whether it worked well or not, but if there's a chance,then shouldn't we give doctors that tool to help save lives?, It has a long safety track record!"

They got their talking points out.

Dr. Bright just kept repeating that there was initial promise to support its use in a randomized double-blind clinical trial, but then the white house pushed to make it available,evenueven without medical supervision. Dr Bright and group pushed back, and got medical supervision added as a requirement; the white house then sent word around that those requirements were to be ignored. Hence his issue with it.

You'd think he was.speaking Greek.
 
2020-05-19 10:23:58 AM  
2 votes:

Ashelth: And everyone just ignores most of fark was backing the use of the drug.


You must be thinking of another site. This site was pretty universal in mocking President Tide Pod.
 
2020-05-19 10:20:52 AM  
2 votes:

wooden_badger: A totally not bought and sold FCC could bring Sinclair to its knees, since there's lots of TV station licenses to go after, unlike Fox News.

But that requires an FCC not run by a frelling Idjit.


I hate to defend the douche with the oversized Reese's mug but he did help put the brakes on a merger that would have grown Sinclair tremendously and would have sank its fangs into respectable stations like WGN, WPIX and KTLA.

But luckily Sinclair was so greedy and stupid in trying to get the merger passed by "selling" stations to family members and friends of the CEO of Sinclair to try to do a runaround laws that regulate how many stations one company can own that the FCC couldn't ignore it.
 
2020-05-19 10:13:15 AM  
2 votes:

Ashelth: duppy: Hope they get sued into the stone age for wrongful death.

And everyone just ignores most of fark was backing the use of the drug.


I'd like a citation on that claim, please.
 
2020-05-19 9:47:44 AM  
2 votes:

Ashelth: duppy: Hope they get sued into the stone age for wrongful death.

And everyone just ignores most of fark was backing the use of the drug.


What Fark were you reading? I remember most of us mocking Trump mercilessly for his MD from Trump University.
 
2020-05-19 9:41:40 AM  
2 votes:
A totally not bought and sold FCC could bring Sinclair to its knees, since there's lots of TV station licenses to go after, unlike Fox News.

But that requires an FCC not run by a frelling Idjit.
 
2020-05-19 9:31:16 AM  
2 votes:
And now you know why KOMO has lost all credibility. Sinclair Broadcasting destroyed it.
 
2020-05-19 9:27:46 AM  
2 votes:
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2020-05-19 9:25:47 AM  
2 votes:
I have a theory that trump is only alive because of amphetamines, cocaine, McDonalds, and barely-fettered rage. I guess I'll be adding hydroxychloroquine to my theory.
 
2020-05-19 9:15:19 AM  
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2020-05-19 9:10:28 AM  
2 votes:
Ah, Sinclair.  The reason I am a former Cubs fan.

Won't support Sinclair, and I won't support the Cubs if they are doing business with them.
 
2020-05-19 9:02:59 AM  
2 votes:
Any medical claim from a random clown on Fark, but especially from some twit whom I have tagged as "antivax idiot," must be taken with a couple of sacks of salt.

The antivax idiot in question knows who s/he/it is.
 
2020-05-19 8:45:52 AM  
2 votes:
How did he come up with hydoxychloroquine, a malaria drug?  I mean, he could have picked an athlete's foot drug or an acne drug, or even more appropriately, a respiratory drug.  So how did he decide on this particular ineffective drug when there are millions of ineffective drugs to choose from?
 
2020-05-19 8:44:16 AM  
2 votes:

Hassan Ben Sobr: One pill makes hands smaller
One pill makes you crawl
And the pills that Donny gives you
Don't do anything at all

Remember
What the pundit said
Count your dead
Count your dead


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2020-05-19 8:36:49 AM  
2 votes:
Subby, you misspelled "because of" as "despite"
 
2020-05-19 8:13:33 AM  
2 votes:

Wyalt Derp: 100% of patients who took this treatment recovered, except for the ones that died.


The preferred term is "lost to followup."
 
2020-05-19 6:53:24 AM  
2 votes:

duppy: Hope they get sued into the stone age for wrongful death.


Only your doctor can prescribe it for you, AFAIK.
 
2020-05-19 10:47:41 PM  
1 vote:

Do you know the way to Mordor: Garza and the Supermutants: Unlike flouting social distancing rules, taking this drug is a thing that Trumpistas can do to show their loyalty without hurting innocent people. So I guess I'm for it.

NO. Every product made by human beings has a finite supply. We saw that with the recent toilet paper shortage.

So every Trumpanzee who takes Hydroxychloroquine in the mistaken belief that it will protect them against COVID-19 when they don't actually need to take it is actively preventing that dose from being prescribed to a person who needs that drug for genuine medical reasons.

People aren't just going to suffer due to coronavirus- they will also suffer because Trump led panic buying of a drug which treats people's autoimmune diseases to the point where many in enormous pain from various kinds of arthritis cannot do anything to alleviate their pain.

If anyone wishes for the Trumpanzees to use this drug, they are also wishing that those who really need it cannot get it.


You are correct and I apologize for making an inconsiderate joke.
 
2020-05-19 12:16:26 PM  
1 vote:

Turgid Goulash: Aquapope: How did he come up with hydoxychloroquine, a malaria drug?  I mean, he could have picked an athlete's foot drug or an acne drug, or even more appropriately, a respiratory drug.  So how did he decide on this particular ineffective drug when there are millions of ineffective drugs to choose from?

If I were a betting man, someone on fox and friends mentioned it.


TabA SlotB explained it pretty well here.  It's obvious that Trump was/is looking for any quick fix at all, anything that might make this nightmare on his economy go away.  So he seized on the first thing he could find that showed any promise at all.  And now he says he's taking it regularly, which means his idiots will be buying that fishtank cleaner kool-aid.  Because we didn't have enough dead people.
 
2020-05-19 11:07:44 AM  
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2020-05-19 10:35:51 AM  
1 vote:

Tyrone Slothrop: backhand.slap.of.reason: Have y'all every taken a look at how nations that treat suspected Covid-19 patients with HCQ at the first sign of illness?  That have CFR's between 0.03% and 2%.

America's CFR was yesterday was 24%.

Council of Foreign Relations?


Code of Federal Regulations.
 
2020-05-19 10:09:19 AM  
1 vote:

backhand.slap.of.reason: early in this context means pre-exposure, post-eposure


So "early" means "any time".  Is there a moment that isn't either pre or post exposure?
 
2020-05-19 10:07:58 AM  
1 vote:
Sorry guys.  I've been on hold for over an hour now. 
Gotta pass the time some kind of way... 

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2020-05-19 9:53:52 AM  
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thurstonxhowell: backhand.slap.of.reason: Have y'all every taken a look at how nations that treat suspected Covid-19 patients with HCQ at the first sign of illness?  That have CFR's between 0.03% and 2%.

America's CFR was yesterday was 24%.

Why did you made your stupid lie so specific and out there?


CFR is a consideration of resolved cases only.  At this moment, we have 90,885 deaths and 290,172 recoveries ergo CFR = (90,885/(90,885 + 290,172)) = 26%.  An astounding 1,161,749 infections remain unresolved in the United States.

Bahrain, a nation that uses early hydroxychloroquine as front line defense has had 12 deaths and 2958 recoveries.  Their current CFR is 0.4%.

Austrailia, which also uses early chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine, has a CFR of 1.5%.

Senegal, which treats every coronavirus patient with hydroxychloroqine, has a CFR of 2.4%.

Singapore, which treats cases caught early with hydroxychloroquine, has a CFR of 0.2%

And so on.  But please, tell me how much better these nations with abysmal fatality rates like France, the United States, and Great Britain are at treating Covid-19 because they don't use snake oil cures like early hydroxychloroquine.  By the way, for those of you that are dense, early in this context means pre-exposure, post-eposure, or shortly after becoming symptomatic.  Early treatment is something we can't even accomplish in the United States because you can't even get a test in cases where exposure is community acquired during the window in which HCQ or CQ are likely to be most effective.

I know y'all are stupid.  Those of you that are going to respond to this post are undoubtedly feverishly scrambling towards 'studies' where patients that have been sick for two or three weeks were given hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine to no effect.  Literally no one of merit advocates that it be used in patients with advanced illness.  It's theraputic window stretches from pre-exposure to a day or two after becoming symptomatic.  As at least single molecule of chloroquine or HCQ is needed per spike protein to completely neutralize a virus, entry inhibitors quickly lose their utility as viral load increases exponentially.

The definition of 'early' can be found here, in case you're dumb.
 
2020-05-19 9:50:50 AM  
1 vote:

Aquapope: How did he come up with hydoxychloroquine, a malaria drug?  I mean, he could have picked an athlete's foot drug or an acne drug, or even more appropriately, a respiratory drug.  So how did he decide on this particular ineffective drug when there are millions of ineffective drugs to choose from?


Rumor is that Larry Ellison recommended it to him. And then once he mentioned it, its efficacy become gospel on the Wing Nut Right.
 
2020-05-19 9:37:30 AM  
1 vote:

TabASlotB: Aquapope: Harry Wagstaff: Aquapope: How did he come up with hydoxychloroquine, a malaria drug?  I mean, he could have picked an athlete's foot drug or an acne drug, or even more appropriately, a respiratory drug.  So how did he decide on this particular ineffective drug when there are millions of ineffective drugs to choose from?

It was being used before he latched onto the idea. I was reading about it late in February.

OK.  So in late February, why was a malaria drug being used to fight a respiratory virus?  Why not a pregnancy drug or a cancer drug?  How did somebody think "Hey, let's try this drug that has nothing to do with this disease, maybe that will work."

Hyroxychloroquine (HCQ) had a few things going for it that made it pop out:
1. Presently an approved drug, with decades of use and safety data, so you can effectively dive straight into Phase III clinical trials. It also already had a supply chain for rapid manufacturing & distribution. It's low-hanging fruit.
2. In December & January, every lab that could do in vitro screens to to find potential SARS-CoV-2 inhibitors started with already approved drugs for the obvious reason: anything you can get to patients right away is desperately needed. Early reports indicated that HCQ could inhibit in vitro viral replication of SARS-CoV-2.
3. HCQ has been reported (since early 2000s) to have antiviral activity against several viruses, including HIV, influenza A, zika, and notably the 1st SARS virus. These studies were largely in vitro (some animal) and not testes in humans.
4. Due to 1-3, HCQ was seized upon by some physicians and researchers who, in efforts to get new clinical treatments vetted fast (and possibly not always with the purest motivations), ran small, short, poorly controlled, underpowered clinical trials using HCQ. Those early trials got relatively uncritical fast-track peer review (and many remain unreviewed preprints), and the media turned its firehose of nuance-free, panic-stricken credulity on ...


Thank you.  That's exactly what I wanted to know.
 
2020-05-19 9:32:23 AM  
1 vote:

Aquapope: How did he come up with hydoxychloroquine, a malaria drug?  I mean, he could have picked an athlete's foot drug or an acne drug, or even more appropriately, a respiratory drug.  So how did he decide on this particular ineffective drug when there are millions of ineffective drugs to choose from?


Crazy French Doctor with medical ethics issues published a paper on it. Using hey I gave these people the drug and they got better as proof.
 
2020-05-19 9:30:51 AM  
1 vote:
When the sale of snake oil is prohibited, Trump will start selling snakes for his disciples to oil themselves.
 
2020-05-19 9:29:47 AM  
1 vote:
I don't want to dive into trying to figure this out, but how has Fox News handled Trump just blurting out that he's taking this shiat?

I checked a few minutes of Laura, She-Wolf of Fox News' show, because she's been the most aggressive pusher of hydroxychloroquine on that network, and she was deep into the "Obamagate" bullshiat, trying to make routine law enforcement activity derived from foreign intelligence sound like a deep, dark conspiracy.
 
2020-05-19 9:29:03 AM  
1 vote:

TabASlotB: testes


that's a fun typo...
 
2020-05-19 9:15:06 AM  
1 vote:

GrizzlyPouch: What an interesting 3 months for hydroxychlorine.  A decades old drug nobody talked about except maybe in the 3rd world, but still quietly taken daily by thousands of Americans.

Suddenly it became simultaneously a cure for a worldwide pandemic and one of the most dangerous prescribed substances on the planet.

And now it'll fade back into obscurity.  A footnote in the ongoing hissyfit/misinformation campaign between Trump and the media.


It's also that they want you to mix it with other drugs to make their "cure".

Almost like mixing medications can be dangerous, and shouldn't be done without proper testing and research....
 
2020-05-19 9:07:12 AM  
1 vote:
What an interesting 3 months for hydroxychlorine.  A decades old drug nobody talked about except maybe in the 3rd world, but still quietly taken daily by thousands of Americans.

Suddenly it became simultaneously a cure for a worldwide pandemic and one of the most dangerous prescribed substances on the planet.

And now it'll fade back into obscurity.  A footnote in the ongoing hissyfit/misinformation campaign between Trump and the media.
 
2020-05-19 8:51:30 AM  
1 vote:

KarmicDisaster: Mark my words, Trumpublicans will eventually force people to take this drug to prove their loyalty to Trump. Trump is willing to kill people rather than admit that he was ever wrong.


We are already at the "anyone who would dare wear a mask and/or won't take hydroxychloroquine daily is too weak to be worthy of respect" phase of this.

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2020-05-19 8:33:38 AM  
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backhand.slap.of.reason: Have y'all every taken a look at how nations that treat suspected Covid-19 patients with HCQ at the first sign of illness?  That have CFR's between 0.03% and 2%.

America's CFR was yesterday was 24%.


Yes, but how about those nations' aquariums?
 
2020-05-19 7:54:44 AM  
1 vote:
Stock up now on Mama Trump's Old Thyme Hair Restorer and Fish Scrub: fourteen easy payments of 19.95!  You won't regret it for long!
 
2020-05-19 7:34:26 AM  
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Purple_Urkle: Genocide.
It's not always a camp.
It's not alway wrapped in a flag carrying a cross.

The time the genocide is demanding we buy it now for 6 low payments 19.95.
Don't delay call today: 1 800 187 SELF


They could really save everyone some time if they just developed light grenade technology instead.

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