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(ESPN)   73% of NBA fans think Michael Jordan is better than LeBron James. Debate on who you think is better to the right and use supporting evidence on why your answer is a slam dunk   (espn.com) divider line
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2020-05-18 9:24:45 AM  
I say MJ is better. I don't think he ever played against LBJ but that would have been fun to watch.
 
2020-05-18 9:24:52 AM  
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2020-05-18 9:28:06 AM  

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Go Balls!
 
2020-05-18 9:50:26 AM  
People who think Lebron is better can't even count to 6.
 
2020-05-18 9:56:19 AM  
Jordan. He's cuter and the shoes are nicer.
 
2020-05-18 10:11:43 AM  

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It probably wouldn't be much fun watching Nyquill Jornan play basketball. He'd probably nap a lot.
 
2020-05-18 10:25:13 AM  
Baseball, or basketball?
 
2020-05-18 10:31:53 AM  
all im saying is air conditioning can kick anti lock brakes ass
 
2020-05-18 10:35:48 AM  

Rapmaster2000: SLAM DUMP!
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Can I get a complete set including Scooty Poopin, Jennis Bodman, and Feeve Burr?
 
2020-05-18 10:36:54 AM  
The only ones who think there is an open debate, are those who benefit from you debating this.

Quit giving media easy money. Make them work for that shiat!
 
2020-05-18 10:39:17 AM  
Neither of them is as talented as Spud Webb. They have physical attributes that allowed them to succeed in the NBA, Spud Webb, at 5'6", had to do it on baskeball talent alone.
 
2020-05-18 10:50:43 AM  

Frank N Stein: People who think Lebron is better can't even count to 6.


Bill Russell can count to eleven. So what. Math was never their strong suit.
 
2020-05-18 10:51:35 AM  
LeBron is the better athlete all around
Jordan is the better Basketball player
LeBron Is the better person
Jordan is a degenerate gambler who's debts got his father killed.
 
2020-05-18 10:52:32 AM  
As has been stated many times before, comparing players from different eras, is futile. The rules, and how they were enforced, were different.
 
2020-05-18 10:59:59 AM  
1 - Bill Russell
2 - Kareem
3 - It doesn't matter, because those 2 are so far above and beyond any other player.
 
2020-05-18 11:08:07 AM  

kdawg7736: I say MJ is better. I don't think he ever played against LBJ but that would have been fun to watch.


MJ retired at the end of the 02-03 season.  LBJ started at the start of the 03-04 season.  They JUST missed each other.

I've always thought of MJ as better, but LBJ picked up a Cavs team that's, let's face it, was straight up abysmal (twice!) without him and carried them, basically on his shoulder, all the way to the championship.  Multiple times.

MJ was still amazing at age 39 and 40, still averaging approx 30 points a game, but he alone could not will the awful Wizards to a playoff berth, let alone a championship.

Aside from that, MJ had the luxury of being on a jacked-up Bulls team virtually his entire career.
 
2020-05-18 11:08:49 AM  
Since Lebron didn't bet on NBA games, I'll go with him.
 
2020-05-18 11:09:24 AM  
Relative to the competiton, Jordan easily.

But for the athletes where you can easily compare eras like a time for 100 meters, the athletes now are better, so in that metric Lebron is better.

But the big unanswerable question is how each would handle the others culture around diet and exercise and training and team camraderie and competitve motivation and officiating style.
 
2020-05-18 11:11:04 AM  
Nobody was fooled into thinking Pippen could be a team leader. LeBron fooled two teams into thinking Kyrie Irving could be a team leader.
 
2020-05-18 11:20:02 AM  

Frank N Stein: People who think Lebron is better can't even count to 6.


Jordan never broke .500 in a season without Pippen.
LeBron dragged the Cavs to four Finals. Once on a team whose second-best player was Zydrunas Ilgauskas.
 
2020-05-18 11:35:08 AM  

This text is now purple: Frank N Stein: People who think Lebron is better can't even count to 6.

Jordan never broke .500 in a season without Pippen.
LeBron dragged the Cavs to four Finals. Once on a team whose second-best player was Zydrunas Ilgauskas.


During a time when the 8th seed in the West would have been the 1st in the East.  Also, Lebron plays in the post-hand check era.
 
2020-05-18 11:36:10 AM  
I wonder how labron would have handled Dennis Rodman on him all game getting at him and in his head.
 
2020-05-18 11:36:55 AM  

LL316: 1 - Bill Russell
2 - Kareem
3 - It doesn't matter, because those 2 are so far above and beyond any other player.


Of all the basketball players Kareem is easily the best Veronica Mars writer.

In all seriousness his op-ed's should be required reading.
 
2020-05-18 11:41:13 AM  

perilsensitive: This text is now purple: Frank N Stein: People who think Lebron is better can't even count to 6.

Jordan never broke .500 in a season without Pippen.
LeBron dragged the Cavs to four Finals. Once on a team whose second-best player was Zydrunas Ilgauskas.

During a time when the 8th seed in the West would have been the 1st in the East.  Also, Lebron plays in the post-hand check era.


Jordan played in the pre-zone defense era.
 
2020-05-18 11:48:33 AM  

perilsensitive: This text is now purple: Frank N Stein: People who think Lebron is better can't even count to 6.

Jordan never broke .500 in a season without Pippen.
LeBron dragged the Cavs to four Finals. Once on a team whose second-best player was Zydrunas Ilgauskas.

During a time when the 8th seed in the West would have been the 1st in the East.  Also, Lebron plays in the post-hand check era.


Jordan once made the playoffs on a 30-52 team.
 
2020-05-18 11:52:04 AM  
Jordan probably would have never taken the 07 cavs to the finals,

Jordan with the heat probably wins 5 plus rings,

Its hard to lose the finals if you don't make it there, but if you make you have to win?  lebron made it 8 striaght years, plus 07, but Jordan is never counted as a failure or only making it 6 times

Lebron has done more with less talent, but oddly when he had more talent around him he seemed to plateu instead of going even further
 
2020-05-18 11:58:49 AM  
The biggest blemish for LeBron is still the 2011 Finals against Dallas. It's hard to think MJ would have ever been taken out of a series in a similar manner. However, LeBron has also had some of the best Finals playoff and Finals performances I've ever seen. He should have won the MVP in the 2015 Finals even though the Cavs lost. This question really can't be answered as others have said, and besides they're very different people.

Oh and Spud Webb wasn't even the best small player. Nate Robinson might be the greatest basketball player ever if he wasn't so short.
 
2020-05-18 12:02:03 PM  
Poll respondents also said Jordan was a better passer, 59% to 41%.  I'm not qualified to make a judgement on that, but those that are seem to think Lebron is better.
 
2020-05-18 12:02:59 PM  

rightClick: I wonder how labron would have handled Dennis Rodman on him all game getting at him and in his head.


Lebron is 6'9" and 250 lbs, Rodman would be flat on his ass the instant he tried to body up Lebron.

Go look at the heights and weights of the best players during that era.  Lebron is an absolutely physical specimen and he's significantly more athletic than any of the bigs that played at the time.

He would dominate in Jordan's era too.
 
2020-05-18 12:04:05 PM  

knbwhite: Poll respondents also said Jordan was a better passer, 59% to 41%.  I'm not qualified to make a judgement on that, but those that are seem to think Lebron is better.


Lebron is the only player in the history of the league who is top 10 in all time points and assists.
 
2020-05-18 12:33:52 PM  
Jordan hands down.
 
2020-05-18 12:35:45 PM  
Never left his team to join a loaded team to win an NBA title. Think pre-Kevin Durrant.
 
2020-05-18 12:45:16 PM  

Snapper Carr: rightClick: I wonder how labron would have handled Dennis Rodman on him all game getting at him and in his head.

Lebron is 6'9" and 250 lbs, Rodman would be flat on his ass the instant he tried to body up Lebron.

Go look at the heights and weights of the best players during that era.  Lebron is an absolutely physical specimen and he's significantly more athletic than any of the bigs that played at the time.

He would dominate in Jordan's era too.


Rodman handled young Shaq and Karl Malone.  I think he'd do fine with Lebron.
 
2020-05-18 12:49:49 PM  

beth_lida: Never left his team to join a loaded team to win an NBA title. Think pre-Kevin Durrant.


It's easy to not leave your team to join a loaded team when you're already on a loaded team.

They don't have a questionable call go against them in '94, they might've won a title without Jordan.

/probably not, but then, the Rockets weren't supposed to be in the Finals, either.
 
2020-05-18 12:56:00 PM  
They played very different sports did they not?
 
2020-05-18 12:56:48 PM  

beth_lida: Never left his team to join a loaded team to win an NBA title. Think pre-Kevin Durrant.


because he was *on* the loaded team
 
2020-05-18 1:04:09 PM  

wiseolddude: As has been stated many times before, comparing players from different eras, is futile. The rules, and how they were enforced, were different.


I don't think LeBron would have been as impactful in the 1990s...a rough and tumble era.  He might have had similar numbers as Granmama.  Jordan would fit right in with today's athletes.

Lebron might have been an impact player in the 80s but unless he played with Magic or Bird, he wasn't winning any championships that era.  He might have been like Nique or Dr. J....amazing to watch...but ultimately not a champion..

I do think Bird and Magic and Jordan and a few others (Wilt, Kareem, Hakeem, Isaiah) could play in any era.  But I don't see LeBron making it work in the 90s anymore than Shaq would survive now.
 
2020-05-18 1:08:22 PM  
Anyone notice that one half of this messageboard bemoans the fact that media narratives are used to prop up borderline mythological arguments in the pursuit of manipulating public opinion, while the other half imagines Micheal Jeffery Jordon chose the number twenty-three because he wanted to win half as many titles as his brother?  Asking for my friends who didn't play in a watered-down expansion era that included a shortened three-point line.
 
2020-05-18 1:13:12 PM  
It's weird that in some sports, RINGS are all that matter. But in other sports, regular season stats are what's most important.
 
2020-05-18 1:17:00 PM  

Frank N Stein: People who think Lebron is better can't even count to 6.


I remember how when the Spurs were up in Game 6 of the 2012 NBA Finals, people were openly wondering out loud, after years and years of saying that Micheal Jordon was the god-king because he always got eliminated in the playoffs before the finals, that Tim Duncan was finally going to take his crown, because Tim was about to go six-for-six, said no one ever.

Fortunate that we never even had to entertain this hypothetical timeline, because I remember how Micheal ran onto the floor and set that screen on Manu Ginobili as Ray Allen rose up to shoot that three-pointer.  Manu looks at the ref and wonders why the greatest shoes salesman of all-time is allowed to be on the floor, the ref just looks at Manu and says, "Republicans buy shoes, too."

Manu did not know what that meant, because he is from another country, but it was one of the many clever inside references that only fans of His Airness would understand.
 
2020-05-18 1:25:53 PM  

Snapper Carr: knbwhite: Poll respondents also said Jordan was a better passer, 59% to 41%.  I'm not qualified to make a judgement on that, but those that are seem to think Lebron is better.

Lebron is the only player in the history of the league who is top 10 in all time points and assists.


Oscar Robinson averaged a triple double for one season.
Wilt Chamberlain lead the league in assists one year...just to prove he could.
 
2020-05-18 1:26:10 PM  

Dafatone: It's weird that in some sports, RINGS are all that matter. But in other sports, regular season stats are what's most important.


What's really weird are the people who think 6 > 11.

\although MJ might be one of them, based on his gambling losses.
 
2020-05-18 1:29:28 PM  
Magic Johnson played center in a championship game once.  And no one was better than him at Showtime.
 
2020-05-18 1:37:35 PM  

Snapper Carr: knbwhite: Poll respondents also said Jordan was a better passer, 59% to 41%.  I'm not qualified to make a judgement on that, but those that are seem to think Lebron is better.

Lebron is the only player in the history of the league who is top 10 in all time points and assists.


He leads Jordan in points, sure, but also has 7000 more minutes on the court (almost 200 games).

Yet he only leads in...
- Points, by 1800 or so
- 3PM/PA (because of the era/position)
- FGM by less than 300, on 100 more attempts
- FTM by 52, on 1300 more attempts
- Turnovers by 1100

Comparing them is really difficult because the era is different, the rules are different, and they aren't the same position or size. Both are the best of their respective generations, and Jordan is remembered as the great he is because of his effect on the NBA's visibility worldwide. As they said in the doc last night, something like 120 countries started watching the NBA because of Michael.

You almost have to default to the title count and Michael leads there.
- 6x NBA Champ to 3x
- 6x NBA Finals MVP to 3x
- 5x NBA MVP to 4x
- 9x NBA Defensive first team to 5x
- 10x NBA Scoring Champ to 1x
- 3x NBA Steals leader to 0
- 1x NBA Defensive Player of the year to 0
 
2020-05-18 1:43:43 PM  
People today can't go and watch 80s and 90s NBA games.  I mean, you can, but they are SD and on videotape, not film.  They are not digital.  It is almost impossible to make anything out in those games.  Ergo, people today can only compare memory of Jordan and HD digital videos of LeBron.

Recency bias meets technology flaws and memory.
 
2020-05-18 1:55:06 PM  

Mike_LowELL: Frank N Stein: People who think Lebron is better can't even count to 6.

I remember how when the Spurs were up in Game 6 of the 2012 NBA Finals, people were openly wondering out loud, after years and years of saying that Micheal Jordon was the god-king because he always got eliminated in the playoffs before the finals, that Tim Duncan was finally going to take his crown, because Tim was about to go six-for-six, said no one ever.

Fortunate that we never even had to entertain this hypothetical timeline, because I remember how Micheal ran onto the floor and set that screen on Manu Ginobili as Ray Allen rose up to shoot that three-pointer.  Manu looks at the ref and wonders why the greatest shoes salesman of all-time is allowed to be on the floor, the ref just looks at Manu and says, "Republicans buy shoes, too."

Manu did not know what that meant, because he is from another country, but it was one of the many clever inside references that only fans of His Airness would understand.


I knew Tim Duncan was good, but that is impressive he almost went 6 for 6 in his 5th Finals during a year the Spurs didn't make the Finals.
 
2020-05-18 1:58:37 PM  

Conthan: I knew Tim Duncan was good, but that is impressive he almost went 6 for 6 in his 5th Finals during a year the Spurs didn't make the Finals.


The Jordon Myth is so powerful that it even wears off onto other superstars.  Only a Jordon hater like you wouldn't understand this.
 
2020-05-18 2:02:54 PM  
Do the Space Jam scenario, giant monsters invade and the fate of earth depends on one shot.  100% of people pick MJ to take the shot that saves humanity.  End of discussion.
 
2020-05-18 2:07:57 PM  

Champion of the Sun: Do the Space Jam scenario, giant monsters invade and the fate of earth depends on one shot.  100% of people pick MJ to take the shot that saves humanity.  End of discussion.


Change Jordan to Shaq, and the shot to free throw.

/we're doooooomed
 
2020-05-18 2:18:52 PM  

phimuskapsi: Snapper Carr: knbwhite: Poll respondents also said Jordan was a better passer, 59% to 41%.  I'm not qualified to make a judgement on that, but those that are seem to think Lebron is better.

Lebron is the only player in the history of the league who is top 10 in all time points and assists.

He leads Jordan in points, sure, but also has 7000 more minutes on the court (almost 200 games).

Yet he only leads in...
- Points, by 1800 or so
- 3PM/PA (because of the era/position)
- FGM by less than 300, on 100 more attempts
- FTM by 52, on 1300 more attempts
- Turnovers by 1100

Comparing them is really difficult because the era is different, the rules are different, and they aren't the same position or size. Both are the best of their respective generations, and Jordan is remembered as the great he is because of his effect on the NBA's visibility worldwide. As they said in the doc last night, something like 120 countries started watching the NBA because of Michael.

You almost have to default to the title count and Michael leads there.
- 6x NBA Champ to 3x
- 6x NBA Finals MVP to 3x
- 5x NBA MVP to 4x
- 9x NBA Defensive first team to 5x
- 10x NBA Scoring Champ to 1x
- 3x NBA Steals leader to 0
- 1x NBA Defensive Player of the year to 0


Well, they all started watching because that's when satellite TV and international broadcasting became a thing.

Kinda like how Jordan is where he is because sports media wasn't fractionalized at that.

Do you think the Beatles were just the best ever and no one's been as good since? Or did they appear at the right time, with the right generation, in an era where there weren't 1000x easily accessed niches?

Do you think music from the old days was better because it was inherently superior, or do you think it's because we kept around the popular songs and the sh*tty songs mostly didn't keep getting played for decades?

Like they don't replay the times where Jordan scored 18 points and was mediocre - they only replay the games where he was the hero. Meanwhile, every error made by LeBron gets thrown on YouTube and everyone spends hours talking about how he sucks.

People give Jordan an absurd amount of credit for things he had nothing to do with.

/The fact is that they're equally great in different ways, and that LeBron would've probably won all those titles with the Bulls, too
 
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