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(AutoBlog)   James Dyson couldn't get enough outside interest, ended up blowing £500 million of his own money on a cancelled electric SUV. It had a 600 mile range thanks to new solid state battery technology. That sucks   (autoblog.com) divider line
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2020-05-17 11:42:52 PM  
Shame it was too expensive. But as a technology leap in batteries, I hope they can incorporate them into other vehicles.
 
2020-05-18 5:07:16 AM  
It wasn't even spherical.  Boo!
 
2020-05-18 5:21:45 AM  
If that battery technology really exists, he can make way more money by selling batteries than the car.
If it exists.
 
2020-05-18 5:27:00 AM  

FarkingChas: If that battery technology really exists, he can make way more money by selling batteries than the car.
If it exists.


Came to say this.
 
2020-05-18 5:31:53 AM  
His company does make some nice, overpriced tech although he, personally, is a coont.
 
2020-05-18 5:32:49 AM  
Shame, sounds like a fun ride
 
2020-05-18 5:35:10 AM  
The propulsion system was based on daisy chained air blades.
 
2020-05-18 5:37:27 AM  

Smackledorfer: FarkingChas: If that battery technology really exists, he can make way more money by selling batteries than the car.
If it exists.

Came to say this.


"Give 'em the razor; sell 'em the blades"
 
2020-05-18 6:02:03 AM  
i didn't even know dyson was doing this. that's what i get for living in a vacuum
 
2020-05-18 6:07:28 AM  

Me_Too_I_Ate_One_Too: His company does make some nice, overpriced tech although he, personally, is a coont.


I figure that the above should be a macro when writing about technology in general and startups in particular...
 
2020-05-18 6:10:53 AM  

FarkingChas: If that battery technology really exists, he can make way more money by selling batteries than the car.
If it exists.


https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a31​4​09442/samsung-solid-state-battery-reve​aled/
 
2020-05-18 6:18:32 AM  

Beginning of the end: FarkingChas: If that battery technology really exists, he can make way more money by selling batteries than the car.
If it exists.

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a314​09442/samsung-solid-state-battery-reve​aled/


"Technology years away from production" sounds like the problem.
Any electric car could benefit once they had the battery. They didn't need dyson' s car, they need a battery factory.
 
2020-05-18 6:28:15 AM  
So he was counting on the batteries from Samsung being ready? That does not sound like a good idea.
Unless he was counting on making his own version. His techs made their own breakthrough?

Meh. Who knows. Doesn't matter anyway until someone can buy them.
 
2020-05-18 6:35:53 AM  

crinz83: i didn't even know dyson was doing this. that's what i get for living in a vacuum


Yeah, really. It's like I've been stuck in a sphere this whole time.
 
2020-05-18 6:43:16 AM  

Ishkur: crinz83: i didn't even know dyson was doing this. that's what i get for living in a vacuum

Yeah, really. It's like I've been stuck in a sphere this whole time.


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. Kinda knows how you feel...
 
2020-05-18 6:48:19 AM  
Ishkur:
Yeah, really. It's like I've been stuck in a sphere this whole time.

Eye see what you did there :)
 
2020-05-18 7:11:21 AM  

FarkingChas: So he was counting on the batteries from Samsung being ready? That does not sound like a good idea.
Unless he was counting on making his own version. His techs made their own breakthrough?

Meh. Who knows. Doesn't matter anyway until someone can buy them.


He was most likely riding the 'Tesla killer' wave.
The problem is he had no revolution of his own. His car would be better with a solid state battery, but every car would be better. Tesla would swap out their batteries in a heartbeat and make the same range gains.

To get the investors you need to show how this suv is going to take the market from something like the model-x or whatever existing car makers unveil between now and when dyson can make his car factory.
 
2020-05-18 7:14:07 AM  

Beginning of the end: FarkingChas: If that battery technology really exists, he can make way more money by selling batteries than the car.
If it exists.

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a314​09442/samsung-solid-state-battery-reve​aled/


That's Samsung'stech then?
 
2020-05-18 7:17:10 AM  
Anyone can make a fancy electric car filled with $350,000 of batteries. The trick is making one people can afford.
 
2020-05-18 7:34:02 AM  
We know the real reason Dyson didn't get to finish his work.....

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2020-05-18 7:34:41 AM  
Damn that means I won't be able to get the Eureka version for a fourth of the price and almost the same performance...
 
2020-05-18 7:34:57 AM  
Jumping on the, 'it's not the car, it's how you power it' bandwagon.

I'd imagine Dyson products would be first to get any revolutionary battery tech, seeing as they're now all battery powered but nope, still plain old lithium ion.

So I'm calling it was powered by cold fusion, which is only ten years away.
 
2020-05-18 7:37:43 AM  

Beginning of the end: FarkingChas: If that battery technology really exists, he can make way more money by selling batteries than the car.
If it exists.

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a314​09442/samsung-solid-state-battery-reve​aled/


It appears they have proof of concept. I assume the hard part is scaling the silver/carbon layer application to a point it make financial sense.
 
2020-05-18 7:56:06 AM  

dyhchong: Jumping on the, 'it's not the car, it's how you power it' bandwagon.

I'd imagine Dyson products would be first to get any revolutionary battery tech, seeing as they're now all battery powered but nope, still plain old lithium ion.

So I'm calling it was powered by cold fusion, which is only ten years away.


Cold fusion?  Even hot fusion is only ten years away, and has been since the 1970's.
 
2020-05-18 8:10:40 AM  

Me_Too_I_Ate_One_Too: His company does make some nice, overpriced tech although he, personally, is a coont.


Dyson or Musk? That could apply to either.
 
2020-05-18 8:31:55 AM  

AirForceVet: Shame it was too expensive.


You knew that when you saw "Dyson" on the side.
 
2020-05-18 8:46:07 AM  

Shaggy_C: The propulsion system was based on daisy chained air blades.


Could be worse.  Could be daisy chained Bey Blades.

Or as I like to call them, "Attack Dreidls".
 
2020-05-18 8:54:58 AM  

sithon: Me_Too_I_Ate_One_Too: His company does make some nice, overpriced tech although he, personally, is a coont.

Dyson or Musk? That could apply to either.


Well it's expensive technology that probably doesn't work remotely as advertised, which means Dyson.
 
2020-05-18 9:20:55 AM  

Smackledorfer: FarkingChas: If that battery technology really exists, he can make way more money by selling batteries than the car.
If it exists.

Came to say this.


Yeah, if the technology existed, Tesla would be using it.  I've been following battery development for over 20 years and none of the solid-state batteries have gotten past the lab stage.
 
2020-05-18 10:21:00 AM  

sithon: Me_Too_I_Ate_One_Too: His company does make some nice, overpriced tech although he, personally, is a coont.

Dyson or Musk? That could apply to either.


ReluctantLondon: I figure that the above should be a macro when writing about technology in general and startups in particular...
 
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2020-05-18 11:42:00 AM  

inglixthemad: sithon: Me_Too_I_Ate_One_Too: His company does make some nice, overpriced tech although he, personally, is a coont.

Dyson or Musk? That could apply to either.

Well it's expensive technology that probably doesn't work remotely as advertised, which means Dyson.


I'm sure it would have a "digital motor" or some other meaningless bullshiat as well.
 
2020-05-18 11:44:02 AM  

cefm: Anyone can make a fancy electric car filled with $350,000 of batteries. The trick is making one people can afford.


Afford and want. There are lots of good electric cars out there with great ranges and good prices. People seem allergic to any that isn't made by Tesla, which is a shame because I'm a huge fan of electric cars and greatly dislike Teslas. The new F-150s and Rivians seem interesting but still a bit away from production. Would love for GM to sell the Menlo in the US - that one seems farking amazing.
 
2020-05-18 11:46:40 AM  

dittybopper: dyhchong: Jumping on the, 'it's not the car, it's how you power it' bandwagon.

I'd imagine Dyson products would be first to get any revolutionary battery tech, seeing as they're now all battery powered but nope, still plain old lithium ion.

So I'm calling it was powered by cold fusion, which is only ten years away.

Cold fusion?  Even hot fusion is only ten years away, and has been since the 1970's.


15 years away: https://www.popularmechanics.co​m/scien​ce/a30705490/nuclear-fusion-iter-react​or-tokamak/

5 years until they turn it on, 10 years for to to build up to fusion.
 
2020-05-18 1:35:51 PM  

M-G: inglixthemad: sithon: Me_Too_I_Ate_One_Too: His company does make some nice, overpriced tech although he, personally, is a coont.

Dyson or Musk? That could apply to either.

Well it's expensive technology that probably doesn't work remotely as advertised, which means Dyson.

I'm sure it would have a "digital motor" or some other meaningless bullshiat as well.


Heh.

About a decade or so ago I was looking for a 10 meter antenna, back when 10 meters was open.  Remembering from my novice days that you can trim a CB antenna to work on 10 meters, I went looking at CB antennas instead of ordering one.

So I see a center-loaded magmount at WalMart.  And the packaging has an arrow pointed at the loading coil calling it a "Booster Coil".

WHISKEY.  TANGO.  FOXTROT.

For those unaware, a loading coil always results in some loss of signal.  *ALWAYS*.  That's because you use them to physically shorten an antenna.   That's not necessarily a bad thing.  After all, a full size quarter-wave whip for 27 MHz is almost 9 feet long, so there is some advantage to shortening it to put on a car, and center loading is more efficient than bottom loading, but not as efficient as top loading, but top loading presents some physical challenges.

It offended my sensibilities so much that I simply put it back on the shelves and just walked away shaking my head.

"Booster Coil".

They'd have been better to call it "E. Coli Robots".   At least that's kind of funny.
 
2020-05-18 2:20:04 PM  

crinz83: i didn't even know dyson was doing this. that's what i get for living in a vacuum


Fark needs a golf clap button.
 
2020-05-18 2:46:28 PM  

meanmutton: cefm: Anyone can make a fancy electric car filled with $350,000 of batteries. The trick is making one people can afford.

Afford and want. There are lots of good electric cars out there with great ranges and good prices. People seem allergic to any that isn't made by Tesla, which is a shame because I'm a huge fan of electric cars and greatly dislike Teslas. The new F-150s and Rivians seem interesting but still a bit away from production. Would love for GM to sell the Menlo in the US - that one seems farking amazing.



To put a finer point on it, they need to be economical. If you consider that they cost at least $15,000 more and you save an average of $600 a year on fuel, you'd have to own it for 25 years to save any money.
 
2020-05-18 3:21:05 PM  

Puglio: meanmutton: cefm: Anyone can make a fancy electric car filled with $350,000 of batteries. The trick is making one people can afford.

Afford and want. There are lots of good electric cars out there with great ranges and good prices. People seem allergic to any that isn't made by Tesla, which is a shame because I'm a huge fan of electric cars and greatly dislike Teslas. The new F-150s and Rivians seem interesting but still a bit away from production. Would love for GM to sell the Menlo in the US - that one seems farking amazing.

To put a finer point on it, they need to be economical. If you consider that they cost at least $15,000 more and you save an average of $600 a year on fuel, you'd have to own it for 25 years to save any money.


There are a few that are under $40k right now. You don't just save on fuel costs - you save on all maintenance. The only maintenance you're paying for are brakes (which don't face as much wear as an ICE due to regenerative braking) and tires. When you factor in tax credits, the difference isn't very significant anymore.
 
2020-05-18 3:48:23 PM  

meanmutton: The only maintenance you're paying for are brakes (which don't face as much wear as an ICE due to regenerative braking) and tires.


I didn't realize Teslas had invincible body panels, windows, interior, and suspension components.
 
2020-05-18 5:22:17 PM  

Puglio: meanmutton: cefm: Anyone can make a fancy electric car filled with $350,000 of batteries. The trick is making one people can afford.

Afford and want. There are lots of good electric cars out there with great ranges and good prices. People seem allergic to any that isn't made by Tesla, which is a shame because I'm a huge fan of electric cars and greatly dislike Teslas. The new F-150s and Rivians seem interesting but still a bit away from production. Would love for GM to sell the Menlo in the US - that one seems farking amazing.


To put a finer point on it, they need to be economical. If you consider that they cost at least $15,000 more and you save an average of $600 a year on fuel, you'd have to own it for 25 years to save any money.


This, EVs are incredibly efficient, but what's the point if the upfront cost is more than the realistic lifetime running costs.

/Ex-EV owner
//Want another, but like, a nice hatchback for driving around town
///At a regular hatchback price
 
2020-05-18 6:00:34 PM  

dittybopper: dyhchong: Jumping on the, 'it's not the car, it's how you power it' bandwagon.

I'd imagine Dyson products would be first to get any revolutionary battery tech, seeing as they're now all battery powered but nope, still plain old lithium ion.

So I'm calling it was powered by cold fusion, which is only ten years away.

Cold fusion?  Even hot fusion is only ten years away, and has been since the 1970's.


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2020-05-18 7:35:03 PM  

FarkingChas: If that battery technology really exists, he can make way more money by selling batteries than the car.
If it exists.


They bought Sakti3 for the battery technology and the original President (Ann Marie Sastry) recently left Dyson and they relinquished the patents.
 
2020-05-19 3:46:26 PM  

M-G: inglixthemad: sithon: Me_Too_I_Ate_One_Too: His company does make some nice, overpriced tech although he, personally, is a coont.

Dyson or Musk? That could apply to either.

Well it's expensive technology that probably doesn't work remotely as advertised, which means Dyson.

I'm sure it would have a "digital motor" or some other meaningless bullshiat as well.


Glad I'm not the only one who reacted with a 'WTF?' to the "digital motor" brag.

Closest thing I can imagine to a digital motor is a stepper motor, which would be very poorly suited to driving a vehicle.
 
2020-05-19 3:51:29 PM  

Puglio: meanmutton: cefm: Anyone can make a fancy electric car filled with $350,000 of batteries. The trick is making one people can afford.

Afford and want. There are lots of good electric cars out there with great ranges and good prices. People seem allergic to any that isn't made by Tesla, which is a shame because I'm a huge fan of electric cars and greatly dislike Teslas. The new F-150s and Rivians seem interesting but still a bit away from production. Would love for GM to sell the Menlo in the US - that one seems farking amazing.


To put a finer point on it, they need to be economical. If you consider that they cost at least $15,000 more and you save an average of $600 a year on fuel, you'd have to own it for 25 years to save any money.


Somewhat less than 25 years, since savings on fuel isn't the only economic advantage.  You also save a bundle on maintenance over the life of the vehicle.  Hell, even the brake pads last longer with regenerative braking.

But gas savings is still the bulk of the economic advantage, and I don't have actual numbers available right now.
 
2020-05-19 3:55:17 PM  

This text is now purple: meanmutton: The only maintenance you're paying for are brakes (which don't face as much wear as an ICE due to regenerative braking) and tires.

I didn't realize Teslas had invincible body panels, windows, interior, and suspension components.


Yup, you are correct.  There's still a lot that needs maintenance, albeit far less than in a gasoline powered car.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't Teslas have a liquid cooling system, since the battery / motors tend to heat up, maybe even the controller electronics?  There may well be a cooling system / coolant that needs maintenance, too.
 
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