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2020-05-17 6:21:37 PM  
Yup!
So is this:
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Zoning commission wouldn't let the guy build a shop on his property, he tried to get permits for years. So instead he spent 10k and built that. Turns out the zoning commissioners can't regulate artistic structures.
Heh, go figure...
 
2020-05-17 6:25:44 PM  
So, tell me ...and show us what you like Subby.

"Art" is a pretty big umbrella and there's a lot of art I do not like...but that's my taste.
 
2020-05-17 6:27:04 PM  
I even like the knock off's of Thomas Kenkade.

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2020-05-17 6:37:24 PM  
Why not? It's a darn sight lot better than the stuff that tends to win the Turner prize.
 
2020-05-17 6:54:16 PM  

optikeye: Thomas Kenkade


Thomas Kenkade makes what I would call moneyed things. They have zero artistic intrinsic value but he is considered the painter of "light" by his ad agency..aka art gallery. His works are sold to the masses as "prints" that the uneducated think of as "art" because they look like "art" and of course "prints" sound kinda artistic.
These worthless things are mass produced just as printed beer containers with the same printing process.
The thing that irks me just as much are the "bronzes" some so called artists produce. I think them as coinage. They make bad art in a valued metal in an effort to make their popo look valuable.
You want some real art. Go local and find something a real artist makes from his soul. Stay the away from the mass produced poop.
 
2020-05-17 7:06:56 PM  

ruudbob: These worthless things are mass produced just as printed beer containers with the same printing process.


I rather disagree...As much as I don't care for Kenkades style or his 'factory' people purchase it..his market place was QVC.

Even classical artists produced art to appeal to a certain class to SELL.
The more successful ones even had mass produced 'factories' Warhol Style to produce art...often art that mostly left to the apprentices to finish out and the artist just signed their name to the product. Note PRODUCT.
The great engravers such as Durer, Escher, and to a lesser extent Rembrandt.

All did 'mass produced' art they could pump out to keep their lamps full of oil and their stomachs filled.

Oh and Rembrandt invented the "Duck Lip" selfie.
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A pencil sketch..
 
2020-05-17 7:36:34 PM  

optikeye: So, tell me ...and show us what you like Subby.

"Art" is a pretty big umbrella and there's a lot of art I do not like...but that's my taste.


Art is a pretty big umbrella indeed. Some people, that I swear will remain forever be unnamed. (my x wife) and I lied about her being unnamed. She loved the smiley faced bug eyed children that sit on a shelf. Think of it this way if it is some sentimental horse shiat, then it is kitsch, and not art. If it is high skilled craftsmanship without depth of feeling or expression it is not art. To me, and only to me, art tells a story that is personal and meaningful to the artist. For me, art has a depth. I am traditionally trained with a university MFA degree, some of my professors approached making art academically and explored the making of art as a scientist would. ie void of content but as as an aesthetic piece only. If it looks good then it is art. To me, on the other other hand, art is more then aesthetics, it is a medium that expresses feeling and conveys a small part of a story of the artist. Or to put it bluntly, if I may, if you got nothing to say, then keep your farking mouth shut!.
 
2020-05-17 7:43:04 PM  

ruudbob: She loved the smiley faced bug eyed children that sit on a shelf.


OMG those probably say more and are more relevant in art history (in 100 years) than A Banksy or a Warhol.
The ones in the painting with the harlequin (harley quinn) costumes. Because they are things people had in their house.


Seriously...My folks had a big box of Xmas ornaments WHICH ARE THE ELF ON THE SHELF.
Original 60's one. My Sister tossed most of those in the 90's. I have saved ONE. It's a spooky little evil thing, but I love it.
 
2020-05-17 7:45:00 PM  
The artist in me...would use those for a diarama with a lynching.

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2020-05-17 8:02:12 PM  

optikeye: ruudbob: These worthless things are mass produced just as printed beer containers with the same printing process.

I rather disagree...As much as I don't care for Kenkades style or his 'factory' people purchase it..his market place was QVC.

Even classical artists produced art to appeal to a certain class to SELL.
The more successful ones even had mass produced 'factories' Warhol Style to produce art...often art that mostly left to the apprentices to finish out and the artist just signed their name to the product. Note PRODUCT.
The great engravers such as Durer, Escher, and to a lesser extent Rembrandt.

All did 'mass produced' art they could pump out to keep their lamps full of oil and their stomachs filled.

Oh and Rembrandt invented the "Duck Lip" selfie.
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A pencil sketch..


OK, you got me there! OTOH hand look at the content. this is no mass produced consumer beer can prints you speak about above. I have done a lot of lithography prints myself. That is all hands on to even make one. It is the quality of print content that really matters not the method. I would not have a problem with the whole sales idea if the print were not a piece of schit and had a real meaningful content other then "painter of light" BS.
I did many coin operated art pieces that I placed in bars and restaurants to make money. I have never thought there is any thing wrong with making money as an artist. I find it schit to make money with schit. OK, true story, one of my last pieces this year was a" woman, a dog and a popo". It is machine that takes 25cents to watch and lasts about a 67 seconds.
 
2020-05-17 8:06:39 PM  
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2020-05-17 8:15:37 PM  

optikeye: ruudbob: She loved the smiley faced bug eyed children that sit on a shelf.

OMG those probably say more and are more relevant in art history (in 100 years) than A Banksy or a Warhol.
The ones in the painting with the harlequin (harley quinn) costumes. Because they are things people had in their house.


Seriously...My folks had a big box of Xmas ornaments WHICH ARE THE ELF ON THE SHELF.
Original 60's one. My Sister tossed most of those in the 90's. I have saved ONE. It's a spooky little evil thing, but I love it.


I truly understand. I have a shelf full of crucifixes I bought at an off dollar store. They have Mary tying Jesus to the cross with rope on one piece, Mary reading the bible at the base of the cross on another. and my favorite, Mary hugging Jesus on the cross with her face right next to Jesus's crotch. Stick around and I'll send the JPG of that one.
 
2020-05-17 8:18:52 PM  
It could be worse, though. At least they're not Detroit.


/🎵THEY'RE NOT DETROIT!🎵
 
2020-05-17 8:22:03 PM  
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2020-05-17 8:22:46 PM  
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2020-05-17 8:23:19 PM  
Yeah, it's art. Maybe not great art,but it's art.
Art.
 
2020-05-17 8:30:44 PM  

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2020-05-17 8:36:09 PM  

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2020-05-17 8:43:14 PM  
Art is not how 'good' it looks, really.  It is about uniqueness.  Art is so the owner can think he is the only one in the world who possesses the whatever.  Prints are not art, although by limiting the number of prints, prints approach being art.
 
2020-05-17 8:52:48 PM  

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OK so this a piece that goes for both sides, Jesus's beard only covers a little of over half his face. then you notice his knees look a lot like a sagging woman's breasts. Mary has her lips in a wantfull manor next to Jesus's crotch and his tit knees. This piece is high kitsch at its very best. this is an example of Kitsch vs art. The maker of this is going for an emotional, sexual response vs an ascetic understanding of the whole crucifixion of the meaning of Christ on the cross. It universally appeals to both the gay and strait females that see this.
Here is the thing that makes it kitsch, it appeals to the emotions and not the intellect. The visuals are as base as base can be. I love it and you will have to kill me to take it.
 
2020-05-17 9:04:56 PM  

Sgygus: Art is not how 'good' it looks, really.  It is about uniqueness.  Art is so the owner can think he is the only one in the world who possesses the whatever.  Prints are not art, although by limiting the number of prints, prints approach being art.


WTheck gallery educated you, young man. The entire commercial side of art has absolutely nothing to do with art. They on that popo side are only out to make as many bucks as they can farking with both real artists and on the other side, rubes.
Find some real artists around you, forget the BS "collector crap" and buy some real art that appeals to you.
OTOH buy some Campbell's soup and enjoy the heck out of the tomato one.
 
2020-05-17 9:21:29 PM  

Sgygus: Art is not how 'good' it looks, really.  It is about uniqueness.  Art is so the owner can think he is the only one in the world who possesses the whatever.  Prints are not art, although by limiting the number of prints, prints approach being art.


I hate to say this to you but you have bought in to the whole gallery BS crap. It is and has never about the monetary value of a piece.  That is some BS marketing schit. I say fark the market about art. This has never been a food like product. I would say until lately but no, that making money off of someones art has been going on forever. As long as someone makes some "art" some asshole will come behind them and make a buck off the guy. It has no relationship to art or craft, kitsch or whatever. Go for a local artist and fark making a schirt loads of bucks. DO NOT BUY THE BS sales schit.
 
2020-05-17 9:48:04 PM  
Also, if your in the market for "art", to profit from, then verily I say to you, kind soul, please, from the bottom of my little heart. go forth into Farking hellfucdik qand GBurn in jhell forever after, uou farking sass yhole.

Sorry I am a little passionate tonight. i am going under the knife  tomorrow for a major lung operation and it pisses the fark outta me about the ignorance of art.  Goddarnet, it is like all these guys (or gals) have no clue about the art market or the artists that make it. I went to LA and found that the biggest suck ups with no talent got the best reviews. I farking came back to Atlanta and got back into HVAC to avoid that. Personally I find the entire art market to be wschit,

Please go forth and find a local artist that you enjoy their works and buy that piece for your own pleasure.  It is what art is.
 
2020-05-17 10:07:23 PM  
This thread is so bad that it may be art.
 
2020-05-17 11:48:00 PM  

ruudbob: optikeye: Thomas Kenkade

Thomas Kenkade makes what I would call moneyed things. They have zero artistic intrinsic value but he is considered the painter of "light" by his ad agency..aka art gallery. His works are sold to the masses as "prints" that the uneducated think of as "art" because they look like "art" and of course "prints" sound kinda artistic.
These worthless things are mass produced just as printed beer containers with the same printing process.
The thing that irks me just as much are the "bronzes" some so called artists produce. I think them as coinage. They make bad art in a valued metal in an effort to make their popo look valuable.
You want some real art. Go local and find something a real artist makes from his soul. Stay the away from the mass produced poop.


What I like about Kinkade's paintings is that they are so ridiculously idyllic, pastoral and effervescent that they feel like parody, transcending their own uplifting warmth to invert into something ironic and disturbing.

Salvador Dali would have considered Thomas Kinkade's entire body of work to be a masterpiece of sentimental absurdism.
 
2020-05-18 12:06:59 AM  

Ishkur: ruudbob: optikeye: Thomas Kenkade

Thomas Kenkade makes what I would call moneyed things. They have zero artistic intrinsic value but he is considered the painter of "light" by his ad agency..aka art gallery. His works are sold to the masses as "prints" that the uneducated think of as "art" because they look like "art" and of course "prints" sound kinda artistic.
These worthless things are mass produced just as printed beer containers with the same printing process.
The thing that irks me just as much are the "bronzes" some so called artists produce. I think them as coinage. They make bad art in a valued metal in an effort to make their popo look valuable.
You want some real art. Go local and find something a real artist makes from his soul. Stay the away from the mass produced poop.

What I like about Kinkade's paintings is that they are so ridiculously idyllic, pastoral and effervescent that they feel like parody, transcending their own uplifting warmth to invert into something ironic and disturbing.

Salvador Dali would have considered Thomas Kinkade's entire body of work to be a masterpiece of sentimental absurdism.


But the problem with Kinkade is that he wasn't 'self aware' about what he doing. Dali and Warhol for all their faults etc...where very self aware about their 'bad art' and "DADA" ism

Kinkade was just making large Christmas cards to sell on QVC.
 
2020-05-18 12:10:45 AM  

optikeye: But the problem with Kinkade is that he wasn't 'self aware' about what he doing. Dali and Warhol for all their faults etc...where very self aware about their 'bad art' and "DADA" ism


That's just what would impress them even more about it: The earnestness. The honest, dedicated drive toward saccharine schmaltz. Without a trace of irony or satire.
 
2020-05-18 12:41:27 AM  

ruudbob: Also, if your in the market for "art", to profit from, then verily I say to you, kind soul, please, from the bottom of my little heart. go forth into Farking hellfucdik qand GBurn in jhell forever after, uou farking sass yhole.

Sorry I am a little passionate tonight. i am going under the knife  tomorrow for a major lung operation and it pisses the fark outta me about the ignorance of art.  Goddarnet, it is like all these guys (or gals) have no clue about the art market or the artists that make it. I went to LA and found that the biggest suck ups with no talent got the best reviews. I farking came back to Atlanta and got back into HVAC to avoid that. Personally I find the entire art market to be wschit,

Please go forth and find a local artist that you enjoy their works and buy that piece for your own pleasure.  It is what art is.


F*CK me!
You're way too f*ckin needy!
I wish you the very best of health regarding your surgery. Please take care and recover soon.

But this bullsh*t you're spewing about art requiring feeling? Who the f*ck are you to decide whether an artist put emotion into their creation?
Art is completely individualistic. Much like music, I like what I like, you like you like.
I going to tell you you're not listening to proper music.
 
2020-05-18 12:58:00 AM  
F*ck me..
I like what I like, you like what you like.
It's still art. Whether you like it or not.
 
2020-05-18 1:25:09 AM  

ruudbob: optikeye: Thomas Kenkade

Thomas Kenkade makes what I would call moneyed things. They have zero artistic intrinsic value but he is considered the painter of "light" by his ad agency..aka art gallery. His works are sold to the masses as "prints" that the uneducated think of as "art" because they look like "art" and of course "prints" sound kinda artistic.
These worthless things are mass produced just as printed beer containers with the same printing process.
The thing that irks me just as much are the "bronzes" some so called artists produce. I think them as coinage. They make bad art in a valued metal in an effort to make their popo look valuable.
You want some real art. Go local and find something a real artist makes from his soul. Stay the away from the mass produced poop.


Art is expression combined with skill, although some will think it is only expression and skill doesn't even matter. I don't like Kinkade, but I don't have the skills to do it myself either. Kinkade went to art school, spent a lot of years practicing and persisted in a style many people find disagreeable, nevertheless he does have some skills at least, look at his Yankee stadium painting for example. Technically, it's no masterpieced but also not that bad. Should he be as famous as he is with these skills? No of course not, but neither should Jeff Koons or Damian Hirst.

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As for expression, I remember reading something about him ,and it seems at least initially, before he came addicted to drugs, alcohol and money,  he seemed to have believed in what he painted, there was a certain vision behind it, and the art served of a form of expression for his warped world view.  By all measures that makes him an artist.  

Thirdly, from a historical perspective, it is meaningful because its popularity tells it something about society. What does it mean if a painter like this can be so famous. What does tell about the state about society, the apparent yearning of the common people for a safe, glowing, idyllic past that never really existed to begin with? It's the same mindset that brought us MAGA. 

Anyway, whether someone agrees or not with what is being expressed and how it is expressed is irrelevant.  And lot of people do apparently like it. You can accuse them of having bad taste in art, but that about it.

So conclusion; commercialized, mediocre art executed in poor taste can still be art.
 
2020-05-18 1:39:32 AM  

optikeye: I even like the knock off's of Thomas Kinkade.

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2020-05-18 2:09:05 AM  
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2020-05-18 2:09:21 AM  
Farkers at modern art exhibit:
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2020-05-18 2:11:36 AM  

LewDux: Farkers at modern art exhibit:
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2020-05-18 2:16:04 AM  
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2020-05-18 2:40:33 AM  
They've got it upside down.
 
2020-05-18 3:58:40 AM  
Of course it's not art. It not only doesn't mock anybody to the right of Stalin, you can actually tell what it's representing.
 
2020-05-18 7:51:49 AM  
I like low budget Americana roadside art.  It reminds of of a golden age Route 66 post war style simple life.  Yes, yes, there never was a golden age, but I'd rather see this kind of goofiness than a perfectly manicured grass lawn.
 
2020-05-18 8:57:36 AM  
Eh, it's no worse than the childish smeary nonsense "art' that celebrities create.
 
2020-05-18 9:03:21 AM  

ruudbob: These worthless things are mass produced just as printed beer containers with the same printing process.


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acclaimed artist. works from templates.

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\\much as the Vandals fled the Huns
 
2020-05-18 9:06:17 AM  

optikeye: Salvador Dali would have considered Thomas Kinkade's entire body of work to be a masterpiece of sentimental absurdism.

But the problem with Kinkade is that he wasn't 'self aware' about what he doing. Dali and Warhol for all their faults etc...where very self aware about their 'bad art' and "DADA" ism

Kinkade was just making large Christmas cards to sell on QVC.


Picasso was both a revolutionary artist and a shamelessly self-promoting capitalist.

\Kinkade was perfectly self-aware
 
2020-05-18 10:11:30 AM  
I was going to come in here and instinctively complain, but I would rather read a hundred of these weird little local news stories than another copy & paste article about how Bezos made another $100B today or how Trump blames Obama for WWII or whatever the f*ck else.

More small scale weirdness. Less global spirit crushing.
 
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