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2020-05-17 11:15:36 AM  
32 votes:
They only call you a hero when they're convincing people it's okay to let you die. Once the thought of you dying becomes normalised, you're no longer a hero and back to being a stupid and worthless peon.
 
2020-05-17 12:32:41 PM  
23 votes:
This was obvious from the start.  As soon as the emergency either stops or becomes normalized, people will go back to treating grocery workers like crap. This is why all the praise of them in the beginning felt hollow to me. If people really valued these workers, they'd support permanent improvements to their pay and benefits and not temporary tokens of gratitude.
 
2020-05-17 12:44:58 PM  
12 votes:
Labor reform needs to happen (again?) in the United States if we are to continue as a modern society. Capitalist clearly don't give a rat's ass about the country or the people who work for them, so they're gonna have to get dragged kicking and screaming into some semblance of fairness. Living wages, healthcare and basic working conditions fit for humans.
Working until you drop dead is NOT a f*cking virtue, it's symptom of a society run by degenerates.
 
2020-05-17 12:38:09 PM  
9 votes:

NeoCortex42: This was obvious from the start.  As soon as the emergency either stops or becomes normalized, people will go back to treating grocery workers like crap. This is why all the praise of them in the beginning felt hollow to me. If people really valued these workers, they'd support permanent improvements to their pay and benefits and not temporary tokens of gratitude.


Applause draws attention to the clapper, and vanishes pleasingly into the air when they're done drawing attention to how charitable they are.

Money sets up like expectations they'll actually be treated like they're worth something. First it's a living wage, then it's paid sick leave, then they'll expect health care and housing and before you know it you're singing the Internationale in a gulag under the hammer and sickle.

Better to just clap nicely and give them a sticker that says "HERO" on it, so everyone knows that they're bravely volunteering to die for your stonks and that you appreciate the sacrifice very very much.
 
2020-05-17 4:12:38 PM  
4 votes:

bfh0417: pushthelimits: true okie doke: I was in a Kroger owned store yesterday, and the employees had on masks that said something to the effect of "essential always". Hmmm.

Maybe it was one of the union stores and that's their passive-aggressive way of stigginit. If so, good for them. Some stores are union and in some union stores, only certain departments are. It's weird. I wish they could keep their "hero pay" without the prices going up. If only there were a solution for that, like, I dunno... the CEO not taking home the GDP of a small country every week?

We do this everytime...

Kroger CEO $11,700,000 total compensation.

Employees: 450,000

Pay him nothing, and each employee could have $26.00


And here is my answer every time.

Money is a stand-in for goods and services. It doesn't matter what the napkin math says about incomes and dividing the 1% raw incomes (which ignores all sorts of compensation, but let's ignore that) among the lower class and how little it would be.

What matters is: is there enough good food, good housing, good clothing, good cars, good whatever the fark else in this country that the poors could have significantly more?

If so, then he complaint about the wealth disparity is 100% valid.

Your math says 26 bucks. Mine says stocks, insider trading, and the fact that money makes money has meant that decades of 26 bucks + all that other stuff has created a massive wealth disparity in this country. Getting salary gaps closer is just one step.

As a person making just six figures, even after any tax differences I'll come out way ahead by retirement with just a tsp, a mutual fund, and a house in a neighborhood that is good, relative to those in the lower class. Those 26 bucks a person do matter, and pretending they don't is foolish.

That CEO turns 26 bucks into 100 via investments (long term). The bagger turns 26 bucks into 5 via borrowing to afford a car, shiattier mortgage rates, and on and on.

It is relatively expensive to be poor in many ways.
 
2020-05-17 12:31:54 PM  
4 votes:

davidphogan: My roommate works at Kroger, but I own Kroger stock. I'm conflicted. I want my dividends, but I want him to live, too. What do?


If he were a true friend, he wouldn't dream of letting his petty concerns like blood oxygen saturation interfere with your God-given right to enjoy the profits of his labour.
 
2020-05-17 3:49:30 PM  
3 votes:

pushthelimits: true okie doke: I was in a Kroger owned store yesterday, and the employees had on masks that said something to the effect of "essential always". Hmmm.

Maybe it was one of the union stores and that's their passive-aggressive way of stigginit. If so, good for them. Some stores are union and in some union stores, only certain departments are. It's weird. I wish they could keep their "hero pay" without the prices going up. If only there were a solution for that, like, I dunno... the CEO not taking home the GDP of a small country every week?


We do this everytime...

Kroger CEO $11,700,000 total compensation.

Employees: 450,000

Pay him nothing, and each employee could have $26.00
 
2020-05-17 3:38:48 PM  
3 votes:

BlackChickWhiteAccent: stevenvictx: Hero pay?

They going to start paying firefighters by the fire now.

My nephew was a firefighter who died of an on the job injury.

Fark you.



The important thing is you were able to take someone else's random statement that was not denigrating firefighters in any way and make about you via your nephew.

Does anyone have a 'hero' sticker for this poor Fark poster?
 
2020-05-17 3:26:50 PM  
3 votes:

NeoCortex42: This was obvious from the start.  As soon as the emergency either stops or becomes normalized, people will go back to treating grocery workers like crap. This is why all the praise of them in the beginning felt hollow to me. If people really valued these workers, they'd support permanent improvements to their pay and benefits and not temporary tokens of gratitude.


I'm doing my part. I always ask whether they feel like an essential worker. And then whether they are being paid like an essential worker. Then, when they've thought about it for a minute I say. "And your company won't even protect you by banning customers who refuse to wear masks.

Then I suggest that they look up the phrase "general strike" online.

It is time for some major labor unrest in this country.

If you are defined by your boss as an essential worker, and are not being TREATED as an essential worker, then you need to walk out and form a picket line. You need to strike. Now.

If you don't, you have no excuses left when you die alone on a ventilator (and leave your family saddled with the hospital bill).
 
2020-05-17 8:41:39 PM  
2 votes:

pkjun: They only call you a hero when they're convincing people it's okay to let you die. Once the thought of you dying becomes normalised, you're no longer a hero and back to being a stupid and worthless peon.


Explain to me the constant sucking-off of cops and firefighters, almost 20 years after 9/11?

Don't forget "The Troops"...

I drove by my local water treatment plant a month or so ago, and there is a giant banner infront that proclaims, "HEROS WORK HERE!!!".

Sorry, I missed the memo apparently where you remove bacteria from sewage that qualifies you as a "hero".

It boggles my mind.

You aren't a hero, you are doing your farking job FFS. Step the fark back off your high horse.

/I'm fine with frontline workers getting a pay increase for "hazard pay".
//to call them "heros" is totally farking absurd.
 
2020-05-17 6:51:25 PM  
2 votes:

Smackledorfer: bfh0417: pushthelimits: true okie doke: I was in a Kroger owned store yesterday, and the employees had on masks that said something to the effect of "essential always". Hmmm.

Maybe it was one of the union stores and that's their passive-aggressive way of stigginit. If so, good for them. Some stores are union and in some union stores, only certain departments are. It's weird. I wish they could keep their "hero pay" without the prices going up. If only there were a solution for that, like, I dunno... the CEO not taking home the GDP of a small country every week?

We do this everytime...

Kroger CEO $11,700,000 total compensation.

Employees: 450,000

Pay him nothing, and each employee could have $26.00

And here is my answer every time.

Money is a stand-in for goods and services. It doesn't matter what the napkin math says about incomes and dividing the 1% raw incomes (which ignores all sorts of compensation, but let's ignore that) among the lower class and how little it would be.

What matters is: is there enough good food, good housing, good clothing, good cars, good whatever the fark else in this country that the poors could have significantly more?

If so, then he complaint about the wealth disparity is 100% valid.

Your math says 26 bucks. Mine says stocks, insider trading, and the fact that money makes money has meant that decades of 26 bucks + all that other stuff has created a massive wealth disparity in this country. Getting salary gaps closer is just one step.

As a person making just six figures, even after any tax differences I'll come out way ahead by retirement with just a tsp, a mutual fund, and a house in a neighborhood that is good, relative to those in the lower class. Those 26 bucks a person do matter, and pretending they don't is foolish.

That CEO turns 26 bucks into 100 via investments (long term). The bagger turns 26 bucks into 5 via borrowing to afford a car, shiattier mortgage rates, and on and on.

It is relatively expensive to be poor in many ways.


Thank you for injecting intelligent commentary
Well said.
 
2020-05-17 5:44:24 PM  
2 votes:

Harlee: NeoCortex42: Harlee: NeoCortex42: This was obvious from the start.  As soon as the emergency either stops or becomes normalized, people will go back to treating grocery workers like crap. This is why all the praise of them in the beginning felt hollow to me. If people really valued these workers, they'd support permanent improvements to their pay and benefits and not temporary tokens of gratitude.

I'm doing my part. I always ask whether they feel like an essential worker. And then whether they are being paid like an essential worker. Then, when they've thought about it for a minute I say. "And your company won't even protect you by banning customers who refuse to wear masks.

Then I suggest that they look up the phrase "general strike" online.

It is time for some major labor unrest in this country.

If you are defined by your boss as an essential worker, and are not being TREATED as an essential worker, then you need to walk out and form a picket line. You need to strike. Now.

If you don't, you have no excuses left when you die alone on a ventilator (and leave your family saddled with the hospital bill).

A lot of people barely making enough money to survive can't easily just walk off the job. It's easy to say "just go on strike", but that could mean not being able to pay rent or even buy food.

Then expand it to a general strike. No rent payments. Activists help feed the strikers. What I am suggesting is unpleasant and hard. But your solution is akin to being held hostage by a smug sleek apologist saying "But don't you see? It could be oh-so-much worse. Accept your lot. Serf."


We can't even get the majority of people to do the simple task of wearing a mask to protect their fellow Americans. What country are you thinking of that would actually sacrifice in favor of supporting a general strike?

The only solution is to put people in office that will work to improve things legislatively. The people that most need help are in no position to force change themselves and those that don't need help have shown zero willingness to support others through sacrifice.
 
2020-05-17 4:56:36 PM  
2 votes:
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2020-05-17 3:57:17 PM  
2 votes:

pkjun: bfh0417: pushthelimits: true okie doke: I was in a Kroger owned store yesterday, and the employees had on masks that said something to the effect of "essential always". Hmmm.

Maybe it was one of the union stores and that's their passive-aggressive way of stigginit. If so, good for them. Some stores are union and in some union stores, only certain departments are. It's weird. I wish they could keep their "hero pay" without the prices going up. If only there were a solution for that, like, I dunno... the CEO not taking home the GDP of a small country every week?

We do this everytime...

Kroger CEO $11,700,000 total compensation.

Employees: 450,000

Pay him nothing, and each employee could have $26.00

Kroger employees: 450,000
Kroger profits paid to shareholders:


3 billion.

Amount of money each employee could have topped up on their paycheck if it wasn't being drained by leeches who performed zero work: $6700.
 
2020-05-17 3:06:24 PM  
2 votes:

zgrizz: It's time.

funny how we have gotten used to calling anybody just doing their F'ing job a 'hero'. Firefighters are heros. Grocery baggers are not.

It's not even a dangerous job in Corona times. You don't see spurts of infections among workers because they are forced to use common sense protections.

One thing you can be sure of, if the infection rate was even remotely approaching the national; rate the powerful grocery worker unions (and they are second only to the Teamsters in political power) would be screaming bloody murder.


The real question: we respecting the people who keep us fed and alive in exchange for 34 hours of minimum wage too much?
 
2020-05-17 1:59:56 PM  
2 votes:
It's time.

funny how we have gotten used to calling anybody just doing their F'ing job a 'hero'. Firefighters are heros. Grocery baggers are not.

It's not even a dangerous job in Corona times. You don't see spurts of infections among workers because they are forced to use common sense protections.

One thing you can be sure of, if the infection rate was even remotely approaching the national; rate the powerful grocery worker unions (and they are second only to the Teamsters in political power) would be screaming bloody murder.
 
2020-05-17 1:25:55 PM  
2 votes:

stevenvictx: Hero pay?

They going to start paying firefighters by the fire now.


My nephew was a firefighter who died of an on the job injury.

Fark you.
 
2020-05-17 12:35:44 PM  
2 votes:

davidphogan: My roommate works at Kroger, but I own Kroger stock. I'm conflicted. I want my dividends, but I want him to live, too. What do?


I don't see how you could even be contemplating this question.

You can always get another roommate.
 
2020-05-18 12:29:06 AM  
1 vote:
So, y'all are missing the entire point. Kroger doesn't actually think they're heroes. It's like greenwashing; they want to avoid negative publicity. "Hero" is better PR than "hazard."
 
2020-05-18 12:26:04 AM  
1 vote:
The only reason Kroger calls it "hero pay" is because "hazard pay" has negative connotations. They don't want to be thought of as a company putting their employees in harm's way. My son's girlfriend had to sign a disclaimer to wear her own mask so she can't sue if she gets sick.
 
2020-05-17 10:59:29 PM  
1 vote:

Smackledorfer: fatalvenom: Smackledorfer: fatalvenom: Smackledorfer: fatalvenom: pkjun: They only call you a hero when they're convincing people it's okay to let you die. Once the thought of you dying becomes normalised, you're no longer a hero and back to being a stupid and worthless peon.

Explain to me the constant sucking-off of cops and firefighters, almost 20 years after 9/11?

Don't forget "The Troops"...

I drove by my local water treatment plant a month or so ago, and there is a giant banner infront that proclaims, "HEROS WORK HERE!!!".

Sorry, I missed the memo apparently where you remove bacteria from sewage that qualifies you as a "hero".

It boggles my mind.

You aren't a hero, you are doing your farking job FFS. Step the fark back off your high horse.

/I'm fine with frontline workers getting a pay increase for "hazard pay".
//to call them "heros" is totally farking absurd.

Is there any level of dangerous pandemic at which you would say hero qualified?

Hero worship has been a GOP ideal since 9/11.

What's the old saying about worshipping false idols?

Is that a no?

Who would you call a hero?

Someone who sacrifices their life to save others.

Not every single person who does a job that is congruent with being a hero is one.

There are tons of cops, firefighters and troops who never have to be heroic. It's just their job.

The small town cop who pulls people over for doing 3mph over the speed limit to increase ticket revenue? Not a hero.

The firefighter who stands out in the road spraying water on a burning one story house and never has a modicum of danger present itself? Not a hero.

The guy who says, "I was in the army" down at the VFW or shows his card for a discount at Denny's, when he never picked up a firearm, faced live fire or even left the damn base? Not a hero.

There are plenty of lines to draw for hero worship and those that take advantage of the title. That title is getting abused far more often than I think is comfortable.

Someone hitting a ball valve at a shiat recycling plant, IMHO, doesn't qualify as a hero.

Just someone doing their farking job.

So they actually have to die to be a hero, in your view.

Well, that's weird, but it's an internally consistent view, so fair enough.

To me it's about risk level. A certain risk level*, regardless of compensation and ultimate outcome, with an important, or at least perceived to be important, task would meet my bar.

So a firefighter running into danger to save the person inside, only to come out unscathed and discover she was out for a walk? He gets hero status.

I'm undecided on those in jobs with a high likelihood of risk and an expectation to act but who get lucky enough to never actually see danger.

Is army guy A more heroic than B just because the enemy attacked one supply chain over another? Tough call imo.

Or, what if no response is necessary? Is someone in Convoy A a hero if they run over an IED? If so, does the Jeep that blows up get the status or the whole convoy?

So to me, given that we need clean water, if a nasty enough disease were running around and significant risk fell on the people responsible to get me clean water... I'd give 'em that status.

Is Covid-19 high enough for that? I lean towards no but I certainly won't get upset when I see a yard sign thanking them as such either.

*This can be a life sacrifice, a serious harm sacrifice, or a sufficient time sacrifice. A volunteer can be a hero I think.

/Fwiw I work a job that has been called hero-level and I think that's bullshiat. I'm absolutely not one. So I get where you are coming from with overuse. I almost feel ashamed when I encounter someone who uses that kind of terminology. My job is pretty safe, statistically.


I didnt really state that they had to die.

Just there are things/jobs people just automatically consider heroic, without vewing the long scope.

Call every first responder heroic, to me, is akin to calling every German a Nazi.

Just because you are one, doesn't necessarily mean you are one.
 
2020-05-17 4:18:29 PM  
1 vote:

Harlee: NeoCortex42: This was obvious from the start.  As soon as the emergency either stops or becomes normalized, people will go back to treating grocery workers like crap. This is why all the praise of them in the beginning felt hollow to me. If people really valued these workers, they'd support permanent improvements to their pay and benefits and not temporary tokens of gratitude.

I'm doing my part. I always ask whether they feel like an essential worker. And then whether they are being paid like an essential worker. Then, when they've thought about it for a minute I say. "And your company won't even protect you by banning customers who refuse to wear masks.

Then I suggest that they look up the phrase "general strike" online.

It is time for some major labor unrest in this country.

If you are defined by your boss as an essential worker, and are not being TREATED as an essential worker, then you need to walk out and form a picket line. You need to strike. Now.

If you don't, you have no excuses left when you die alone on a ventilator (and leave your family saddled with the hospital bill).


A lot of people barely making enough money to survive can't easily just walk off the job. It's easy to say "just go on strike", but that could mean not being able to pay rent or even buy food.
 
2020-05-17 3:35:18 PM  
1 vote:
The minimum wage should be a major issue for Biden's presidential campaign. A Florida ballot measure to increase the minimum wage to $15 per hour by 2026 is polling at 65 percent. While a six year phase in is pretty long, 65 percent support in Florida is pretty good - that's a proxy for the rest of America. And you could run on 6 years and try to find ways to speed it up when in office.
 
2020-05-17 3:13:36 PM  
1 vote:

true okie doke: I was in a Kroger owned store yesterday, and the employees had on masks that said something to the effect of "essential always". Hmmm.


Maybe it was one of the union stores and that's their passive-aggressive way of stigginit. If so, good for them. Some stores are union and in some union stores, only certain departments are. It's weird. I wish they could keep their "hero pay" without the prices going up. If only there were a solution for that, like, I dunno... the CEO not taking home the GDP of a small country every week?
 
2020-05-17 1:28:29 PM  
1 vote:

pkjun: NeoCortex42: This was obvious from the start.  As soon as the emergency either stops or becomes normalized, people will go back to treating grocery workers like crap. This is why all the praise of them in the beginning felt hollow to me. If people really valued these workers, they'd support permanent improvements to their pay and benefits and not temporary tokens of gratitude.

Applause draws attention to the clapper, and vanishes pleasingly into the air when they're done drawing attention to how charitable they are.

Money sets up like expectations they'll actually be treated like they're worth something. First it's a living wage, then it's paid sick leave, then they'll expect health care and housing and before you know it you're singing the Internationale in a gulag under the hammer and sickle.

Better to just clap nicely and give them a sticker that says "HERO" on it, so everyone knows that they're bravely volunteering to die for your stonks and that you appreciate the sacrifice very very much.


Dude,
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2020-05-17 1:06:01 PM  
1 vote:

pkjun: NeoCortex42: This was obvious from the start.  As soon as the emergency either stops or becomes normalized, people will go back to treating grocery workers like crap. This is why all the praise of them in the beginning felt hollow to me. If people really valued these workers, they'd support permanent improvements to their pay and benefits and not temporary tokens of gratitude.
Applause draws attention to the clapper, and vanishes pleasingly into the air when they're done drawing attention to how charitable they are.
Money sets up like expectations they'll actually be treated like they're worth something. First it's a living wage, then it's paid sick leave, then they'll expect health care and housing and before you know it you're singing the Internationale in a gulag under the hammer and sickle.
Better to just clap nicely and give them a sticker that says "HERO" on it, so everyone knows that they're bravely volunteering to die for your stonks and that you appreciate the sacrifice very very much.


It's worked for our military. If they hadn't had so many problem readjusting to society, we never would have had to think about them again.
 
2020-05-17 1:00:40 PM  
1 vote:

davidphogan: My roommate works at Kroger, but I own Kroger stock. I'm conflicted. I want my dividends, but I want him to live, too. What do?


Butt stuff.
 
2020-05-17 12:51:40 PM  
1 vote:
'Murica.
 
2020-05-17 12:29:54 PM  
1 vote:
Hero pay?

They going to start paying firefighters by the fire now.
 
2020-05-17 12:23:24 PM  
1 vote:
I was in a Kroger owned store yesterday, and the employees had on masks that said something to the effect of "essential always". Hmmm.
 
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