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(Today)   Well, we can't let the serfs start thinking they're as good as us job creators. Otherwise I might not be able to buy the new yacht, and that would be a real tragedy   (today.com) divider line
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2020-05-18 12:26:04 AM  
The only reason Kroger calls it "hero pay" is because "hazard pay" has negative connotations. They don't want to be thought of as a company putting their employees in harm's way. My son's girlfriend had to sign a disclaimer to wear her own mask so she can't sue if she gets sick.
 
2020-05-18 12:29:06 AM  
So, y'all are missing the entire point. Kroger doesn't actually think they're heroes. It's like greenwashing; they want to avoid negative publicity. "Hero" is better PR than "hazard."
 
2020-05-18 12:32:52 AM  

NeoCortex42: Harlee: NeoCortex42: Harlee: NeoCortex42: This was obvious from the start.  As soon as the emergency either stops or becomes normalized, people will go back to treating grocery workers like crap. This is why all the praise of them in the beginning felt hollow to me. If people really valued these workers, they'd support permanent improvements to their pay and benefits and not temporary tokens of gratitude.

I'm doing my part. I always ask whether they feel like an essential worker. And then whether they are being paid like an essential worker. Then, when they've thought about it for a minute I say. "And your company won't even protect you by banning customers who refuse to wear masks.

Then I suggest that they look up the phrase "general strike" online.

It is time for some major labor unrest in this country.

If you are defined by your boss as an essential worker, and are not being TREATED as an essential worker, then you need to walk out and form a picket line. You need to strike. Now.

If you don't, you have no excuses left when you die alone on a ventilator (and leave your family saddled with the hospital bill).

A lot of people barely making enough money to survive can't easily just walk off the job. It's easy to say "just go on strike", but that could mean not being able to pay rent or even buy food.

Then expand it to a general strike. No rent payments. Activists help feed the strikers. What I am suggesting is unpleasant and hard. But your solution is akin to being held hostage by a smug sleek apologist saying "But don't you see? It could be oh-so-much worse. Accept your lot. Serf."

We can't even get the majority of people to do the simple task of wearing a mask to protect their fellow Americans. What country are you thinking of that would actually sacrifice in favor of supporting a general strike?

The only solution is to put people in office that will work to improve things legislatively. The people that most need help are in no position to force change the ...


At least around here in Orange County, that is not the case. I am now seeing at least 80% mask compliant behavior. It would be higher, but many people seem to be going through the motions (nose exposed, mask half-off, etc.). A simple look or nod, or a gesture more often than not gets them to (often sheepishly) up their game, but still....

The Plague Rats generally stick out, and are in the distinct minority.
 
2020-05-18 12:35:43 AM  

NeoCortex42: Harlee: NeoCortex42: Harlee: NeoCortex42: This was obvious from the start.  As soon as the emergency either stops or becomes normalized, people will go back to treating grocery workers like crap. This is why all the praise of them in the beginning felt hollow to me. If people really valued these workers, they'd support permanent improvements to their pay and benefits and not temporary tokens of gratitude.

I'm doing my part. I always ask whether they feel like an essential worker. And then whether they are being paid like an essential worker. Then, when they've thought about it for a minute I say. "And your company won't even protect you by banning customers who refuse to wear masks.

Then I suggest that they look up the phrase "general strike" online.

It is time for some major labor unrest in this country.

If you are defined by your boss as an essential worker, and are not being TREATED as an essential worker, then you need to walk out and form a picket line. You need to strike. Now.

If you don't, you have no excuses left when you die alone on a ventilator (and leave your family saddled with the hospital bill).

A lot of people barely making enough money to survive can't easily just walk off the job. It's easy to say "just go on strike", but that could mean not being able to pay rent or even buy food.

Then expand it to a general strike. No rent payments. Activists help feed the strikers. What I am suggesting is unpleasant and hard. But your solution is akin to being held hostage by a smug sleek apologist saying "But don't you see? It could be oh-so-much worse. Accept your lot. Serf."

We can't even get the majority of people to do the simple task of wearing a mask to protect their fellow Americans. What country are you thinking of that would actually sacrifice in favor of supporting a general strike?

The only solution is to put people in office that will work to improve things legislatively. The people that most need help are in no position to force change the ...


Oh, and are you at all familiar with the history of the American labor movement? LOTS of violence (on both sides) there. You may be right about a general strike in terms of the average citizen, but then again, Covid-19 seems to have a talent for changing viewpoints. We shall see.
 
2020-05-18 1:55:33 AM  

AngryDragon: davidphogan: My roommate works at Kroger, but I own Kroger stock. I'm conflicted. I want my dividends, but I want him to live, too. What do?

I don't see how you could even be contemplating this question.

You can always get another roommate.


I was expecting it to end like "roommate bring the disease home and infect me"
 
2020-05-18 9:22:11 AM  
I, for one, never stopped treating grocery workers like peons so I'm getting a kick...

/not really
//never treated them bad so nothing changed
///thr3e
 
2020-05-18 11:40:06 AM  

Harlee: NeoCortex42: Harlee: NeoCortex42: Harlee: NeoCortex42: This was obvious from the start.  As soon as the emergency either stops or becomes normalized, people will go back to treating grocery workers like crap. This is why all the praise of them in the beginning felt hollow to me. If people really valued these workers, they'd support permanent improvements to their pay and benefits and not temporary tokens of gratitude.

I'm doing my part. I always ask whether they feel like an essential worker. And then whether they are being paid like an essential worker. Then, when they've thought about it for a minute I say. "And your company won't even protect you by banning customers who refuse to wear masks.

Then I suggest that they look up the phrase "general strike" online.

It is time for some major labor unrest in this country.

If you are defined by your boss as an essential worker, and are not being TREATED as an essential worker, then you need to walk out and form a picket line. You need to strike. Now.

If you don't, you have no excuses left when you die alone on a ventilator (and leave your family saddled with the hospital bill).

A lot of people barely making enough money to survive can't easily just walk off the job. It's easy to say "just go on strike", but that could mean not being able to pay rent or even buy food.

Then expand it to a general strike. No rent payments. Activists help feed the strikers. What I am suggesting is unpleasant and hard. But your solution is akin to being held hostage by a smug sleek apologist saying "But don't you see? It could be oh-so-much worse. Accept your lot. Serf."

We can't even get the majority of people to do the simple task of wearing a mask to protect their fellow Americans. What country are you thinking of that would actually sacrifice in favor of supporting a general strike?

The only solution is to put people in office that will work to improve things legislatively. The people that most need help are in no position to for ...


This isn't the same country it was back when then.  Fewer people are willing to sacrifice and the existence of social media and the likes of Fox News make progress even more difficult as the signal-to-noise ratio drowns out whatever the real message is.
 
2020-05-18 1:42:42 PM  

NeoCortex42: This isn't the same country it was back when then. Fewer people are willing to sacrifice and the existence of social media and the likes of Fox News make progress even more difficult as the signal-to-noise ratio drowns out whatever the real message is.


Uncomfortable ideas....

I find your statement unpalatable, but I fear that it may be true. On some reflection, that fear is probably one of the springboards of the novel my wife and I are writing.

>>>>>This isn't the same country it was back when then.

That's a pretty meaningless generality, isn't it? It wasn't the same country in 1860 that it was in 1800. Nor in 1960 compared to 1890.

>>>>>Fewer people are willing to sacrifice....

The dead of the Abolitionist Movement and the Freedom Rides would probably disagree. (I exclude the Civil War dead because that was extorted participation.)

>>>>...and the existence of social media and the likes of Fox News make progress even more difficult as the signal-to-noise ratio drowns out whatever the real message is.

Valid point. I note that the invention of the printing press also increased that ratio, but sheer volume and ease of distortion is also a factor.

We really do need an omnipresent AI "narrator" to deal with that signal-to-noise ratio. I don't know of any other way to do it without endangering or plain-out ending freedom of speech. A "Nacom" would do that. Anyone says anything they want, but with instant fact checking by a neutral party. I defy anyone to whine that such would be any form of censorship.

"As usual, the screen was split. The left two thirds displayed the news set; the right third of the screen was reserved for Narrator Commentary and the citations to document it. This was supplied by The Presence. It was required for all reporting, commentary, or advertising of any sort. This constraint extended to the public speeches of all politicians, company CEOs and PR flaks, community activists, celebrities, and so-called GraciousNet influencers. Nacom spoke to the factual basis of the subject matter and to the documented biases of the reporter. It was also available for private venues, and even one-on-one arguments, on request. Today, the right side of the screen was getting a workout."
 
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