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(News 4 San Antonio)   PSA: When the three year old asks to pet you and your wife's dog, you should just keep walking, unless you really want to be arrested for attempted kidnapping, perp-walked on the evening news, and run out of the town that you were born and raised in   (news4sanantonio.com) divider line
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2020-05-16 5:03:30 PM  
I hope they win their lawsuit against the sheriff. His statement basically said they were already guilty.
 
2020-05-16 6:11:04 PM  
"This was such a brazen daylight attempt to kidnap a three-year old girl that I just have to think as a career police officer this can't be the first time something suspicious like this has happened with these folks," said Sheriff Javier Salazar back in October 2019.

...

The Sheriff issued the following statement:

"I still firmly believe that what occurred that day is disturbing. What the grand jury ultimately decided cannot change what transpired. Had the mother of that little girl not looked up in time and confronted these two people, there's no way to know what would have happened."


Holy Mother of F*ck.  They didn't do anything.  But they MUST have done something, because... reasons?  And if they must have done something now, surely they have done something before.  His finely honed police officer judgment tells him that.

Seriously - if I didn't already know that this is the mindset of your average cop - guilty until you die, not until proven innocent - I'd be ill.
 
2020-05-16 6:42:22 PM  
Law enforcement always double down.

Always.

Because it works.
 
2020-05-16 9:41:32 PM  
Damn, I didn't realize so many people were trying to kidnap my daughter...jeez she must have asked to pet dozens of dogs when she was 3 years old. Those bastards! Not too late, kidnapping must have a long or indefinite statute of limitations...I'm gonna call that sheriff guy and wreck some farking lives!
 
2020-05-16 11:12:10 PM  
Maybe they should have allowed the kid to pet the dog, but keep it's hands of the man.

Sorry. Just a touch of the grammar Nazi coming out in me.

Nobody petted anybody except the dog, probably. I have know way to know.
 
2020-05-16 11:14:12 PM  
Sounds like the parents need to keep the kid in the house. I mean, everybody wants to kidnap her. She needs protecting.
 
2020-05-16 11:14:45 PM  
Maybe they were really gonna kidnap the kid because they ran out of dog food.
 
2020-05-16 11:16:25 PM  
"Does your dog bite?"
"No, it just kidnaps small children like you."
 
2020-05-16 11:18:03 PM  
Meanwhile, probable pedophile Javier Salazar is allowed into your neighborhood, free to ogle your children.
 
2020-05-16 11:18:09 PM  

ecmoRandomNumbers: Law enforcement always double down.

Always.

Because it works.


Don't forget they get to keep taking this to a grand jury until they find one that will indict. And they only need a 75% vote.
 
2020-05-16 11:20:08 PM  
What color was the accuser?
 
2020-05-16 11:20:40 PM  

hlehmann: Meanwhile, probable pedophile Javier Salazar is allowed into your neighborhood, free to ogle your children.


I have it on good authority that he busts under age teenage girls for shoplifting then solicits them for blow jobs in exchange for not having to face charges

Where do I get my info about that? People who know things
 
2020-05-16 11:20:45 PM  
Bexar County: famous as far away as Illinois, as a shiathole county as far as law enfoecement
 
2020-05-16 11:22:24 PM  
Can I pet your titties?
Youtube Ndm0uXQX_Rk
 
2020-05-16 11:27:23 PM  

Any Pie Left: Bexar County: famous as far away as Illinois, as a shiathole county as far as law enfoecement


The SAPD is only normal-bad.  Bexar county was briefly great under an anti-corruption Sheriff Susan Pamerleau. Then in 2016 it reverted to form.
 
2020-05-16 11:31:14 PM  

fnordfocus: ecmoRandomNumbers: Law enforcement always double down.

Always.

Because it works.

Don't forget they get to keep taking this to a grand jury until they find one that will indict. And they only need a 75% vote.


Maybe, but in this case it sounds like one of those things the DA's office office hates to have dropped on their doorstep.
Easy way to get rid of a turd like that when dropped on your desk is to pitch it halfheartedly to a Grand Jury, and get a no bill.
Then its an easy ¯\_(ツ)_/¯, as opposed to pissing off the AO by telling them you are going to NP the case.
 
2020-05-16 11:37:11 PM  
Shapira and Benitez say they were walking their dogs when a girl asked if she could pet one of them.
They directed the little girl to pet one that would be less likely to bite her.


Less likely to bite her?
Sounds like the answer should have just been no, you can't pet the dogs.
 
2020-05-16 11:38:03 PM  
That's farked up. I hope they drain that PD dry of funds and a bunch of dickbags get fired.
 
2020-05-16 11:39:56 PM  
Both links in the article lead to earlier reports that state unequivocally that it was an attempted kidnapping and the suspects "fled" the area. I mean, if it was reported, it must be true, right?

Parents stopped suspects in attempted kidnapping in Bexar County

Man, woman arrested after trying to kidnap 3-year old girl
 
2020-05-16 11:43:02 PM  

brantgoose: Maybe they should have allowed the kid to pet the dog, but keep it's hands of the man.

Sorry. Just a touch of the grammar Nazi coming out in me.

Nobody petted anybody except the dog, probably. I have know way to know.


Grammar nazi?

"It's?"

Really?
 
2020-05-16 11:45:29 PM  
My policy when a child I don't know asks to pet my dog is pretty simple.

"Sorry, she bites."

It's a lie - but it's very effective.
 
2020-05-16 11:47:32 PM  
Does anyone have any better links, or more background, than the article provides?  There has to be more to this - did the police even have grounds for an arrest?  Is the Sheriff related to the accuser, or something like that?
 
2020-05-16 11:47:36 PM  

Dryad: fnordfocus: ecmoRandomNumbers: Law enforcement always double down.

Always.

Because it works.

Don't forget they get to keep taking this to a grand jury until they find one that will indict. And they only need a 75% vote.

Maybe, but in this case it sounds like one of those things the DA's office office hates to have dropped on their doorstep.
Easy way to get rid of a turd like that when dropped on your desk is to pitch it halfheartedly to a Grand Jury, and get a no bill.
Then its an easy ¯\_(ツ)_/¯, as opposed to pissing off the AO by telling them you are going to NP the case.


Yeah, but the DA pretty much has to do what the cops tell him to. If they say try again, he will keep trying.

Otherwise, kiss off police cooperation  for every trial ever and no re-election.

And prosecutors have families.
 
2020-05-16 11:48:32 PM  
If you aren't watching your child and you looked up too late, they could be kidnapped.

This is 100% true. The solution is watching your child, not accusing everyone they approach of attempted kidnapping.

I mean fark, who knows if there is more to this story, but that's just how crimes work. I can be driving my candy van and offering kids candy all day long, and I'm innocent until one at least hops in the back, or you can prove some intent to do anything other than give away treats.

The alternative is a world in which no adults are allowed to interact with children, and go ahead and codify that into law if that's what you want. And I'll push for a law saying if you let your child talk to me you get fined for bad parenting. I mean gosh, allowing your child to spend time with a possible child molester is surely criminal, no?

In fact, you were probably planning to sell your child to me, otherwise you never would have done the approach. For shame.
 
2020-05-16 11:49:40 PM  
Why don't you tell me what really happened?!
Youtube a4kXJ4yuGwg
 
2020-05-16 11:54:31 PM  
The guy is extremely lucky that his wife was with him. Had he been alone, he could easily have been lynched on the spot.

Any kid tries to talk me while I'm alone, I don't walk, I run in the opposite direction without so much as a word. It simply isn't safe to react differently.
 
2020-05-16 11:57:05 PM  

Any Pie Left: Bexar County: famous as far away as Illinois, as a shiathole county as far as law enfoecement


Bexar  - most mispronounced county in Texas except for Deaf Smith.
 
2020-05-16 11:58:44 PM  
FTFA : Had the mother of that little girl not looked up in time and confronted these two people, there's no way to know what would have happened.

There is no way to know what might have happened, so these people should be treated as guilty of everything they could possibly have done.  Just because they didn't actually do anything is no reason to treat them as innocent, damn it!
 
2020-05-17 12:17:52 AM  
Where was the mother such that the child was able to approach a couple walking multiple dogs without notice?
 
2020-05-17 12:21:05 AM  

Last Survivor: What color was the accuser?


Well, that took a little longer than expected, but you managed to make it in just in tome with the race baiting. Congratulations!
 
2020-05-17 12:26:10 AM  

palelizard: Where was the mother such that the child was able to approach a couple walking multiple dogs without notice?


Being an irresponsible, self-absorbed twunt, of course.

And, rather than face that shameful fact, she chooses instead to shift her negative emotions onto an innocent couple. This is far from rare.
 
2020-05-17 12:28:07 AM  

brantgoose: Maybe they should have allowed the kid to pet the dog, but keep it's hands of the man.

Sorry. Just a touch of the grammar Nazi coming out in me.

Nobody petted anybody except the dog, probably. I have know way to know.


Are you having a stroak?
 
2020-05-17 12:31:16 AM  

ComaToast: "Does your dog bite?"
"No, it just kidnaps small children like you."


"Does your dog kidnap small children like me?"
'No'
*pet*
*gets thrown in free candy van*
"But you said-"
'That is not my dog'
 
2020-05-17 12:33:47 AM  
This is exactly why I am afraid of contact with small children
Like if I see a kid at the grocery store
"I can't find my mommy"
'Sucks for you' *runs away really fast*
 
2020-05-17 12:33:50 AM  
I've been molested by toddlers in the check out line at Walmart.  Snagged by my leg and they just crawl up.  I know they are just wanting to get to my glasses and to fark with them as my keys were in my pocket.  So far I've gotten apologies from the parents.  My old reaction would be to just pick them up.  You can't do that now days.
 
2020-05-17 12:35:23 AM  
Like how they picked the dog "less" likely to bite.
 
2020-05-17 12:37:42 AM  
My best guess there's a Familia or tribal connection between the mother and the sheriff
 
2020-05-17 12:41:33 AM  

baltimoreblonde: Sounds like the parents need to keep the kid in the house. I mean, everybody wants to kidnap her. She needs protecting.


Yeah, negligent mother. Why the fark is your three year old wandering around by the street?
 
2020-05-17 12:47:59 AM  

mcreadyblue: Any Pie Left: Bexar County: famous as far away as Illinois, as a shiathole county as far as law enfoecement

Bexar  - most mispronounced county in Texas except for Deaf Smith.


What's so hard about "bae-har"?
 
2020-05-17 12:48:10 AM  
The Sheriff is still trying to cover his butt. Wha a MOERON!
 
2020-05-17 12:48:57 AM  
The Sheriff is still trying to cover his butt. What a MOERON!
 
2020-05-17 12:50:35 AM  
"I still firmly believe that what occurred that day is disturbing. What the grand jury ultimately decided cannot change what transpired. Had the mother of that little girl not looked up in time and confronted these two people, there's no way to know what would have happened."

Seems to me I've heard an officer of the law say something very similar years ago, after an entire child care center was tossed in jail for satanism and child molestation. Years later all were released when the story proved to have nothing to it but was started by the grandmother of a mom who had her kids in the day care, because she wanted to take care of her daughters kids. The ex-employees were threatened to be recharged and tossed back in jail if they filed lawsuits. Grandma was never punished. Though no evidence of anything illegal was ever found, the chief detective on the case is still firmly convinced that they did it.

I hope these people sue.
 
2020-05-17 12:58:39 AM  

Smackledorfer: If you aren't watching your child and you looked up too late, they could be kidnapped.

This is 100% true. The solution is watching your child, not accusing everyone they approach of attempted kidnapping.

I mean fark, who knows if there is more to this story, but that's just how crimes work. I can be driving my candy van and offering kids candy all day long, and I'm innocent until one at least hops in the back, or you can prove some intent to do anything other than give away treats.

The alternative is a world in which no adults are allowed to interact with children, and go ahead and codify that into law if that's what you want. And I'll push for a law saying if you let your child talk to me you get fined for bad parenting. I mean gosh, allowing your child to spend time with a possible child molester is surely criminal, no?

In fact, you were probably planning to sell your child to me, otherwise you never would have done the approach. For shame.


But if you looked up too early, before anything happened, how can you have a conniption fit over nothing at all?

The trick is to look up at just the right time, after something happens, but before something bad happens; and also never to believe the person who says "No, I wasn't kidnapping your child, I was keeping her from falling over that 100 foot cliff! WTF?!" Oh sure, like you just HAPPENED to snatch her as she was falling off a cliff, I know what kind of pervert you are!
 
2020-05-17 1:05:01 AM  
These people need to bankrupt that community and move to a nicer one.

That "sheriff" needs to be hung up by his testicles.
 
2020-05-17 1:11:18 AM  

JuggleGeek: FTFA : Had the mother of that little girl not looked up in time and confronted these two people, there's no way to know what would have happened.

There is no way to know what might have happened, so these people should be treated as guilty of everything they could possibly have done.  Just because they didn't actually do anything is no reason to treat them as innocent, damn it!


It's time to play my favorite game - Name That Logical Fallacy. I'm going with "jumping to conclusions."
 
2020-05-17 1:24:07 AM  
If a 3 years old girls ever ask to pet me then I will walk away, even if she also want to pet my hypothetical wife's dog.

I'm game if the girl is 33 and good looking though.
 
2020-05-17 1:24:45 AM  
was the child on a leash?
 
2020-05-17 1:27:01 AM  
Are we suffering from a surge in the number of assholes in this country or have they always been there and they are just coming out of the woodwork more often?
 
2020-05-17 1:40:33 AM  

Mock26: Are we suffering from a surge in the number of assholes in this country or have they always been there and they are just coming out of the woodwork more often?


Yes.
 
2020-05-17 1:59:54 AM  

ecmoRandomNumbers: Law enforcement always double down.

Always.

Because it works.'s not their money.


FTFY.  Until this changes, don't look for the cops to change their tune.
 
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