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2020-05-16 8:29:52 AM  
while it's possible this is an oppo hit piece cooked up by team Biden, it sure comports with other stories about her.
 
2020-05-16 8:31:13 AM  
ya think?
 
2020-05-16 8:57:08 AM  

FlashHarry: while it's possible this is an oppo hit piece cooked up by team Biden, it sure comports with other stories about her.


In the philosophical sense of the idea that anything is possible, like I can go back to 1968 and have sex with Liv Lindeman you make a good point.  In the world of factual reality you don't.  I suspect you might be pining for Bernie.
 
2020-05-16 9:02:03 AM  

FlashHarry: while it's possible this is an oppo hit piece cooked up by team Biden, it sure comports with other stories about her.


Upon further thinking and better reading cancel the last two sentences; my apologies.
 
2020-05-16 9:04:03 AM  
The problem for Tara is that she deserved to be heard, so we listened to her, and that has damaged her credibility.
 
2020-05-16 9:07:25 AM  
Well my days of not taking her seriously have certainly come to a middle
 
2020-05-16 9:12:10 AM  
This is what happens when you're hiring someone on behalf of a guy who is notorious for not paying his bills.
 
2020-05-16 9:19:57 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: Well my days of not taking her seriously have certainly come to a middle


Careful, you don't want to be on the fence about it. You'll never be able to tell another joke ever again.
 
2020-05-16 9:40:49 AM  
It was thoughtful of Republicans to leave the Democrats several playbooks' worth of victim-discrediting tactics, and it was gracious of Democrats to accept the gift. It's nice to see them agreeing on something, even if that something is the necessity of protecting abusive men in positions of power.
 
2020-05-16 9:49:16 AM  

pkjun: It was thoughtful of Republicans to leave the Democrats several playbooks' worth of victim-discrediting tactics, and it was gracious of Democrats to accept the gift. It's nice to see them agreeing on something, even if that something is the necessity of protecting abusive men in positions of power.


You mustve missed the flood of reporting over the last 48 hours that shows pretty convincingly that Tara Reade is a lying grifter with no credibility, and that the details of her story fail to add up.

She had the benefit of the doubt.  That doesnt require checking your brain at the door and disregarding common sense when all the facts are telling you a story is obvious horseshiat.
 
2020-05-16 9:49:25 AM  

pkjun: It was thoughtful of Republicans to leave the Democrats several playbooks' worth of victim-discrediting tactics, and it was gracious of Democrats to accept the gift. It's nice to see them agreeing on something, even if that something is the necessity of protecting abusive men in positions of power.


Who's the abusive man here
 
2020-05-16 9:52:11 AM  

gilgigamesh: pkjun: It was thoughtful of Republicans to leave the Democrats several playbooks' worth of victim-discrediting tactics, and it was gracious of Democrats to accept the gift. It's nice to see them agreeing on something, even if that something is the necessity of protecting abusive men in positions of power.

You mustve missed the flood of reporting over the last 48 hours that shows pretty convincingly that Tara Reade is a lying grifter with no credibility, and that the details of her story fail to add up.

She had the benefit of the doubt.  That doesnt require checking your brain at the door and disregarding common sense when all the facts are telling you a story is obvious horseshiat.


Thanks for providing some examples so quickly!
 
2020-05-16 9:53:56 AM  

pkjun: gilgigamesh: pkjun: It was thoughtful of Republicans to leave the Democrats several playbooks' worth of victim-discrediting tactics, and it was gracious of Democrats to accept the gift. It's nice to see them agreeing on something, even if that something is the necessity of protecting abusive men in positions of power.

You mustve missed the flood of reporting over the last 48 hours that shows pretty convincingly that Tara Reade is a lying grifter with no credibility, and that the details of her story fail to add up.

She had the benefit of the doubt.  That doesnt require checking your brain at the door and disregarding common sense when all the facts are telling you a story is obvious horseshiat.

Thanks for providing some examples so quickly!


Correcting you is just another example of how to keep people down. Clever trick
 
2020-05-16 10:07:22 AM  

pkjun: It was thoughtful of Republicans to leave the Democrats several playbooks' worth of victim-discrediting tactics, and it was gracious of Democrats to accept the gift. It's nice to see them agreeing on something, even if that something is the necessity of protecting abusive men in positions of power.


Instead of typing all those words, you could have saved yourself the time by just posting what you do when presented with information that doesn't fit your narrow worldview:

foolforhim.files.wordpress.comView Full Size
 
2020-05-16 10:13:38 AM  

pkjun: It was thoughtful of Republicans to leave the Democrats several playbooks' worth of victim-discrediting tactics, and it was gracious of Democrats to accept the gift. It's nice to see them agreeing on something, even if that something is the necessity of protecting abusive men in positions of power.


One thing I noticed in the Kavanaugh example is that there was a rapid cry of righteous indignation, "How dare you slander this virtuous man!" I haven't seen the same with Biden. I've seen caution. There's a health sense of disbelief but, despite not wanting to believe Tara, an admission that she deserves the chance to make her claim without being attacked personally. Not everyone has avoided getting a bit personal but it's been nothing like was done with Dr. Ford.

And as more and more facts have come out, and Tara's story changes, the greatest sense I get from people isn't outrage at her, it's sadness, at least from more people include former Biden staffers.

Again this contrasts with how people responded during the Kavanaugh hearings, or how church members often responded when the local Priest was a accused. There they get angry, extremely angry at the accuser. All in the "methinks (they) doth protest too much" school.
 
2020-05-16 10:33:20 AM  

wademh: The problem for Tara is that she deserved to be heard, so we listened to her, and that has damaged her credibility.


Sounds like she was heard alright.  On national television, by people who otherwise wouldn't have said anything.   They saw her and said "Oh, that's right, it's that grafter woman who screwed us over...we should tell people about that".
 
2020-05-16 10:43:40 AM  

Man On A Mission: pkjun: It was thoughtful of Republicans to leave the Democrats several playbooks' worth of victim-discrediting tactics, and it was gracious of Democrats to accept the gift. It's nice to see them agreeing on something, even if that something is the necessity of protecting abusive men in positions of power.

Instead of typing all those words, you could have saved yourself the time by just posting what you do when presented with information that doesn't fit your narrow worldview:

[foolforhim.files.wordpress.com image 460x276]


Pictured: Democrats and Republicans when confronted with an accusation that a high-profile politician on *their* team has acted unethically
 
2020-05-16 10:49:26 AM  
See everyone see how bsab? Just kidding, youre a moron
 
2020-05-16 10:52:55 AM  

pkjun: gilgigamesh: pkjun: It was thoughtful of Republicans to leave the Democrats several playbooks' worth of victim-discrediting tactics, and it was gracious of Democrats to accept the gift. It's nice to see them agreeing on something, even if that something is the necessity of protecting abusive men in positions of power.

You mustve missed the flood of reporting over the last 48 hours that shows pretty convincingly that Tara Reade is a lying grifter with no credibility, and that the details of her story fail to add up.

She had the benefit of the doubt.  That doesnt require checking your brain at the door and disregarding common sense when all the facts are telling you a story is obvious horseshiat.

Thanks for providing some examples so quickly!


I could go back to the politics tab and link two or three articles that are on there right now. Also, you can go look at them yourself.  Why don't you do that
 
2020-05-16 10:58:39 AM  

Man On A Mission: pkjun: It was thoughtful of Republicans to leave the Democrats several playbooks' worth of victim-discrediting tactics, and it was gracious of Democrats to accept the gift. It's nice to see them agreeing on something, even if that something is the necessity of protecting abusive men in positions of power.

Instead of typing all those words, you could have saved yourself the time by just posting what you do when presented with information that doesn't fit your narrow worldview:

[foolforhim.files.wordpress.com image 460x276]


I'm gonna parrot what they said in a slightly less combative manner. Speaking as somebody that doesn't believe Tara, I'm ashamed of some of my fellow Farkers for saying things like "she's doing it for attention," and "well why didn't she come forward sooner," from the very moment she cane forward. If people like me accuse someone of y'all for abandoning the MeToo movement, is because some of y'all straight up did.

Believe Women doesn't mean you have to literally believe her unconditionally, but treat her accusations with the dignity and seriousness it deserves. Anyway, at the risk of pulling a BSAB, shame conservatives for trying to weaponize a serious movement, and shame on some of y'all for unwittingly undermining that movement by playing into their attacks.
 
2020-05-16 11:01:11 AM  

wademh: pkjun: It was thoughtful of Republicans to leave the Democrats several playbooks' worth of victim-discrediting tactics, and it was gracious of Democrats to accept the gift. It's nice to see them agreeing on something, even if that something is the necessity of protecting abusive men in positions of power.

One thing I noticed in the Kavanaugh example is that there was a rapid cry of righteous indignation, "How dare you slander this virtuous man!" I haven't seen the same with Biden. I've seen caution. There's a health sense of disbelief but, despite not wanting to believe Tara, an admission that she deserves the chance to make her claim without being attacked personally. Not everyone has avoided getting a bit personal but it's been nothing like was done with Dr. Ford.

And as more and more facts have come out, and Tara's story changes, the greatest sense I get from people isn't outrage at her, it's sadness, at least from more people include former Biden staffers.

Again this contrasts with how people responded during the Kavanaugh hearings, or how church members often responded when the local Priest was a accused. There they get angry, extremely angry at the accuser. All in the "methinks (they) doth protest too much" school.


There isn't the same rallying around Biden, but then again the Democrats have not ever rallied around Biden at any point in history; their enthusiasm for him is 100% "this guy isn't Trump".

As far as this oppo piece on Read? We've got "her landlord had difficulty evicting her when she decided she wanted to sell the property", "a different landlord complained she lied about the rent," "she had a car repossessed", and "she asked various people for money to help pay her rent".

So...we know that she was broke and had problems and had trouble making rent sometimes. Yeah, welcome to the lived experiences of like a third of the country. We know that landlords and lenders didn't like her. Yeah, no shiat, see the above.

But none of that has to do with sexual assault, none of it has any impact on her story, poor people are generally more vulnerable to abuse in any situation, and this whole piece is little more than "she's not rich, so her accusation is bullshiat", with the shopworn rape-culture myth that women make up sexual assault claims as a profitable "grift" serving as the only bridge between those ideas.

If you can demonstrate that she's suddenly got a whole bunch of unexplained cash right before making her accusation, or even point to her cashing in on this in any meaningful and substantive way, then yeah, sure. Show me the receipts proving there's money and then the question of what she'd do to make ends meet might become relevant.

But just saying "oh yeah we spoke to some of her landlords and they were like, yeah, she sucked, she was always late with her payments" isn't actually relevant as anything but character assassination. Trump did it, Kavanaugh did it, Biden is doing it.
 
2020-05-16 11:06:53 AM  
Awesome character assassination, Anita Hill would be jealous.
 
2020-05-16 11:07:40 AM  
#believewomen ..... but not that woman.
 
2020-05-16 11:09:14 AM  
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2020-05-16 11:11:28 AM  
I'm done pretending her whole recent life isn't a giant pile of red flags. All I can add is that every photo I see of her is a cautionary tale of why not every woman can wear cold shoulder tops.
 
2020-05-16 11:12:36 AM  

pkjun: As far as this oppo piece on Read? We've got "her landlord had difficulty evicting her when she decided she wanted to sell the property", "a different landlord complained she lied about the rent," "she had a car repossessed", and "she asked various people for money to help pay her rent".

So...we know that she was broke and had problems and had trouble making rent sometimes. Yeah, welcome to the lived experiences of like a third of the country. We know that landlords and lenders didn't like her. Yeah, no shiat, see the above.


It was a lot more than financial difficulties and an inability to pay rent.  She extorted the landlord who needed to sell the property by demanding the landlord pay her to leave when she was already delinquent on rent.  And while financial difficulties is one thing, she repeatedly preyed on people's decency by claiming she needed help after escaping domestic abuse, until she sucked out all the money she could and moved on to the next mark.  Over and over, it is a story is of a deceitful con artist and a parasite.

And no, that doesn't mean she wasn't sexually assaulted.  Bad people can be victims too.  But it does seriously damage her credibility, and when the friends who allegedly corroborated her story have all melted away into the woodwork, her credibility is all we have left.  The fact that she is repeatedly deceitful in her dealings with others becomes key.
 
2020-05-16 11:12:43 AM  

gilgigamesh: pkjun: gilgigamesh: pkjun: It was thoughtful of Republicans to leave the Democrats several playbooks' worth of victim-discrediting tactics, and it was gracious of Democrats to accept the gift. It's nice to see them agreeing on something, even if that something is the necessity of protecting abusive men in positions of power.

You mustve missed the flood of reporting over the last 48 hours that shows pretty convincingly that Tara Reade is a lying grifter with no credibility, and that the details of her story fail to add up.

She had the benefit of the doubt.  That doesnt require checking your brain at the door and disregarding common sense when all the facts are telling you a story is obvious horseshiat.

Thanks for providing some examples so quickly!

I could go back to the politics tab and link two or three articles that are on there right now. Also, you can go look at them yourself.  Why don't you do that


"What do you mean, Biden's team is using a character assassination playbook to discredit a woman accusing him of sexual impropriety? Why, look at all the articles that have come out in the last 48 hours impugning the character of the woman accusing him of sexual impropriety! Clearly these stories demonstrate objectively that she is a lying biatch who can't be trusted, making this totally different from all those times the Republicans put out a bunch of hit pieces falsely smearing their accusers as lying biatches who couldn't be trusted."
 
2020-05-16 11:12:57 AM  

wademh: pkjun: It was thoughtful of Republicans to leave the Democrats several playbooks' worth of victim-discrediting tactics, and it was gracious of Democrats to accept the gift. It's nice to see them agreeing on something, even if that something is the necessity of protecting abusive men in positions of power.

One thing I noticed in the Kavanaugh example is that there was a rapid cry of righteous indignation, "How dare you slander this virtuous man!" I haven't seen the same with Biden. I've seen caution. There's a health sense of disbelief but, despite not wanting to believe Tara, an admission that she deserves the chance to make her claim without being attacked personally. Not everyone has avoided getting a bit personal but it's been nothing like was done with Dr. Ford.

And as more and more facts have come out, and Tara's story changes, the greatest sense I get from people isn't outrage at her, it's sadness, at least from more people include former Biden staffers.

Again this contrasts with how people responded during the Kavanaugh hearings, or how church members often responded when the local Priest was a accused. There they get angry, extremely angry at the accuser. All in the "methinks (they) doth protest too much" school.


Alla that there.

'Believe women' doesn't mean accused men are automatically given the chair, it means the accusation is not immediately brushed off and the accuser belittled, ignored, and frequently threatened with harm.

Tara Reade hasn't passed the smell test.
 
2020-05-16 11:13:26 AM  

Magruda: Awesome character assassination, Anita Hill would be jealous.


It's sickening.  And some of the Fark seals are predictably clapping their fins and hooting and hollering.

Believe all women, except this biatch who is obviously a liar, possibly a Russian or Republican.  Our side investigated and found she's full of it.  Case closed stfu.
 
2020-05-16 11:15:08 AM  

MattytheMouse: Man On A Mission: pkjun: It was thoughtful of Republicans to leave the Democrats several playbooks' worth of victim-discrediting tactics, and it was gracious of Democrats to accept the gift. It's nice to see them agreeing on something, even if that something is the necessity of protecting abusive men in positions of power.

Instead of typing all those words, you could have saved yourself the time by just posting what you do when presented with information that doesn't fit your narrow worldview:

[foolforhim.files.wordpress.com image 460x276]

I'm gonna parrot what they said in a slightly less combative manner. Speaking as somebody that doesn't believe Tara, I'm ashamed of some of my fellow Farkers for saying things like "she's doing it for attention," and "well why didn't she come forward sooner," from the very moment she cane forward. If people like me accuse someone of y'all for abandoning the MeToo movement, is because some of y'all straight up did.

Believe Women doesn't mean you have to literally believe her unconditionally, but treat her accusations with the dignity and seriousness it deserves. Anyway, at the risk of pulling a BSAB, shame conservatives for trying to weaponize a serious movement, and shame on some of y'all for unwittingly undermining that movement by playing into their attacks.


Well there's an good reminder why I should keep scrolling. You're an excellent human, Matty.
 
2020-05-16 11:15:40 AM  
That women rode a horse? Poor horse.
 
2020-05-16 11:15:58 AM  

Utter Genius: #believewomen ..... but not that woman.


That hashtag was the dumbest catch phrase one could have come up with.  Feel good, meaningless, incredibly shortsighted and ultimately self-defeating.

In other words, quintessentially liberal.
 
2020-05-16 11:17:54 AM  

gilgigamesh: Utter Genius: #believewomen ..... but not that woman.

That hashtag was the dumbest catch phrase one could have come up with.  Feel good, meaningless, incredibly shortsighted and ultimately self-defeating.

In other words, quintessentially liberal.


Twitter hashtags contained so much gravitas before this.  Thanks liberalos.
 
2020-05-16 11:18:06 AM  

pkjun: So...we know that she was broke and had problems and had trouble making rent sometimes. Yeah, welcome to the lived experiences of like a third of the country. We know that landlords and lenders didn't like her. Yeah, no shiat, see the above.


Uhm...she did the same thing repeatedly.   Gave a sob story, got reduced rent and failed to pay or whined enough to get a pass.   And bragged about her time on Biden's Senate staff.

She may be an habitual fark-up, but it's the sob stories she told the people to get in in the first place.   I know people like her.   Something is off about her, for whatever reason.
 
2020-05-16 11:19:16 AM  
Ann Wilson needs to kick that donut's ass.
 
2020-05-16 11:19:48 AM  

pkjun: "What do you mean, Biden's team is using a character assassination playbook to discredit a woman accusing him of sexual impropriety? Why, look at all the articles that have come out in the last 48 hours impugning the character of the woman accusing him of sexual impropriety! Clearly these stories demonstrate objectively that she is a lying biatch who can't be trusted, making this totally different from all those times the Republicans put out a bunch of hit pieces falsely smearing their accusers as lying biatches who couldn't be trusted."


I'm not sure what you were looking at, but the articles I read were sober, neutral, balanced and thorough.  The opposite of hit pieces.

I'll be happy to provide links, right after you provide cites for your "quotes" that they were written as a coordinated character assassination.
 
2020-05-16 11:19:50 AM  
Nice article showing she is a deadbeat grifter many years after the time of the assault.

Now show me her bank records or prove she had a sudden windfall after changing her story and accusing Biden.
 
2020-05-16 11:20:28 AM  

gilgigamesh: Utter Genius: #believewomen ..... but not that woman.

That hashtag was the dumbest catch phrase one could have come up with.  Feel good, meaningless, incredibly shortsighted and ultimately self-defeating.

In other words, quintessentially liberal.


It's a hashtag, by nature short and not necessarily nuanced.

#Don'tAutomaticallyThreatenWomenWhoAcc​useMenOfAbuse is rather cumbersome.

But otherwise, yeah, you're spot on.
 
2020-05-16 11:20:48 AM  
Grifter gonna grift. The chances she's not being paid are zero.
 
2020-05-16 11:21:24 AM  
I don't know if Joe Biden behaved inappropriately with Tara Reade.

I do know that at least 25 women have accused Donald Trump of sexual assault or sexual misconduct (including accusations of actual rape).

This in no way diminishes the seriousness of the allegations against Biden, however if you are considering not voting for Joe Biden because of this allegation, you should be aware that the other guy is likely much much worse.
 
2020-05-16 11:21:28 AM  

gilgigamesh: She extorted the landlord who needed to sell the property by demanding the landlord pay her to leave when she was already delinquent on rent.


Tenants have rights, man. You can't just boot someone because you want to sell and don't want to go through the legal process of eviction. If the landlord wants to pay her to waive her right to challenge the eviction order, that isn't extortion and isn't unreasonable. That's just part of choosing to be a landlord.

Regarding the rest, sure, maybe she lied to people when she was desperate straits. Maybe she borrowed money from friends and didn't pay them back. Maybe she is a rolling disaster of drama and debt and you should never ever be friends with her. But again, that isn't really relevant here unless you're actually connecting the dots between "bad with money" and "accusing a Senator". Is she getting paid off, or are we just meant to discredit her because she seems like the kind of person who could be paid off hypothetically?

And look, I'm not saying I believe Reade. I'm saying that going to a bunch of her landlords and getting them to call her names because she got delinquent on rent is just naked character assassination. It's irrelevant to the accusation, except insofar as calling her a "grifter" is a sneaky way to imply without evidence that her accusation must be some sort of "grift".
 
2020-05-16 11:21:45 AM  

Fart_Machine: gilgigamesh: Utter Genius: #believewomen ..... but not that woman.

That hashtag was the dumbest catch phrase one could have come up with.  Feel good, meaningless, incredibly shortsighted and ultimately self-defeating.

In other words, quintessentially liberal.

Twitter hashtags contained so much gravitas before this.  Thanks liberalos.


Perhaps important social and political issues shouldn't be reduced to feel-good hashtags.  Kinda my point.
 
2020-05-16 11:22:16 AM  

jethroe: Believe all women, except this biatch who is obviously a liar, possibly a Russian or Republican.  Our side investigated and found she's full of it.  Case closed stfu.


I mean... everyone credible who's investigated this, from the actual cops and organization ostensibly involved to publications that are notable pro-Biden to publications that are notably anti-Biden, have investigated and found no evidence for her claims or straight-up evidence against them.

For instance, the big damning core complaint of her story is that she filed official complaints about the harassment.  In writing.  An office whose entire job is to retain such written complaints doesn't have a copy, the person who supposedly receives it never heard of any such complaint, etc.

At some point you've got to let if go and accept that the moon landing was probably real, man.  I respect your efforts to internet as hard as possible and that it's still real to you, damn it, but there's a critical level of evidence where you just have to give up on your personal theory that Bush did 9/11.
 
2020-05-16 11:22:19 AM  

pkjun: gilgigamesh: pkjun: gilgigamesh: pkjun: It was thoughtful of Republicans to leave the Democrats several playbooks' worth of victim-discrediting tactics, and it was gracious of Democrats to accept the gift. It's nice to see them agreeing on something, even if that something is the necessity of protecting abusive men in positions of power.

You mustve missed the flood of reporting over the last 48 hours that shows pretty convincingly that Tara Reade is a lying grifter with no credibility, and that the details of her story fail to add up.

She had the benefit of the doubt.  That doesnt require checking your brain at the door and disregarding common sense when all the facts are telling you a story is obvious horseshiat.

Thanks for providing some examples so quickly!

I could go back to the politics tab and link two or three articles that are on there right now. Also, you can go look at them yourself.  Why don't you do that

"What do you mean, Biden's team is using a character assassination playbook to discredit a woman accusing him of sexual impropriety? Why, look at all the articles that have come out in the last 48 hours impugning the character of the woman accusing him of sexual impropriety! Clearly these stories demonstrate objectively that she is a lying biatch who can't be trusted, making this totally different from all those times the Republicans put out a bunch of hit pieces falsely smearing their accusers as lying biatches who couldn't be trusted."


Your continued use of the republican playbook includes: Projection, accusations of hypocrisy while ignoring mounting evidence, failure to provide actual evidence of your own statements, commentary fueled by emotion and false equivalencies. You're due to move on to whataboutism and discredit responding posters or make personal attacks.
 
2020-05-16 11:23:28 AM  
Not like Biden has ever been caught in a lie. Especially not on live television across from a better qualified candidate.
 
2020-05-16 11:24:31 AM  
Where's FISA when you need it.
 
2020-05-16 11:24:31 AM  

cefm: Grifter gonna grift. The chances she's not being paid are zero.


To be fair, it could also be blackmail.
 
2020-05-16 11:25:50 AM  

Dewey Fidalgo: pkjun: So...we know that she was broke and had problems and had trouble making rent sometimes. Yeah, welcome to the lived experiences of like a third of the country. We know that landlords and lenders didn't like her. Yeah, no shiat, see the above.

Uhm...she did the same thing repeatedly.   Gave a sob story, got reduced rent and failed to pay or whined enough to get a pass.   And bragged about her time on Biden's Senate staff.

She may be an habitual fark-up, but it's the sob stories she told the people to get in in the first place.   I know people like her.   Something is off about her, for whatever reason.


How dare she not share her claim of sexual assault by a popular powerful politician with complete strangers.

How dare she had trouble paying rent to landlords, who are, as we all know, the finest and most honest people among us.

She must be destroyed in the media and online, which will clearly send the proper message to any other women out there who have been assaulted or sexually harassed by powerful men.

And that message is "if it's politically uncomfortable then shut your mouth about your story, otherwise we will utterly destroy you".

And you're the good guys.  Yikes.
 
2020-05-16 11:27:10 AM  
And at the same time, the honorable  Biden's best defense is, "I dont even know what day it is".
 
2020-05-16 11:27:16 AM  

pkjun: There isn't the same rallying around Biden, but then again the Democrats have not ever rallied around Biden at any point in history; their enthusiasm for him is 100% "this guy isn't Trump".

As far as this oppo piece on Read? We've got "her landlord had difficulty evicting her when she decided she wanted to sell the property", "a different landlord complained she lied about the rent," "she had a car repossessed", and "she asked various people for money to help pay her rent".

So...we know that she was broke and had problems and had trouble making rent sometimes. Yeah, welcome to the lived experiences of like a third of the country. We know that landlords and lenders didn't like her. Yeah, no shiat, see the above.

But none of that has to do with sexual assault, none of it has any impact on her story, poor people are generally more vulnerable to abuse in any situation, and this whole piece is little more than "she's not rich, so her accusation is bullshiat", with the shopworn rape-culture myth that women make up sexual assault claims as a profitable "grift" serving as the only bridge between those ideas.

If you can demonstrate that she's suddenly got a whole bunch of unexplained cash right before making her accusation, or even point to her cashing in on this in any meaningful and substantive way, then yeah, sure. Show me the receipts proving there's money and then the question of what she'd do to make ends meet might become relevant.

But just saying "oh yeah we spoke to some of her landlords and they were like, yeah, she sucked, she was always late with her payments" isn't actually relevant as anything but character assassination. Trump did it, Kavanaugh did it, Biden is doing it.


You are distorting the facts. You want to say people are being unfair because she just a poor girl and those bad bad landlords are being mean to her. But it's a different story isn't it? It's a series of landlords where she apparently came in asking for special favors and then again and again played games with them. It isn't just that she couldn't pay rent, it's the way she did it. Always making excuses.

The NPR piece from yesterday was what I was thinking about when I said the main reaction was sadness. There's this silly side-bar about someone telling her that she wasn't dressing appropriately for work. She was affronted, and asked two colleagues what they thought. They told her she wasn't dressing appropriately. Then there was a question about the quality of her work. Someone suggested it wasn't up to par. To defend herself, Tara said something like 'no way, there was never any problem with my work', but then she added 'some people got very nitpicky'.

I'm not paying so much attention to what others say about her, I'm paying attention to how she defends herself. She quickly blames others. She loves to tell stories about herself. She loves to set herself up as a victim of mistreatment by others, continuing to claim that she just got away from an abusive relationship. It is a pattern, and it's a sadly familiar pattern if you have some life experience. I've met that certain type. Lots of stories, lots of excuses, it's somebody else's fault, and the more you listen, the more they lie.

Is any of this proof that she's lying? No, of course not. But it does go to credibility.

I think she's being used. And frankly, in your distorted account above, you're using her as well. That doesn't help her.
 
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