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2020-05-15 4:56:04 PM  
Dear gods, maybe the DNC isn't completely dedicated to losing
 
2020-05-15 5:11:27 PM  
But I have been assured by the concerned brigade that Biden is the Republicaniest Republican to ever Republican!
 
2020-05-15 5:24:15 PM  
Let's wait until he moves left to say that he's moved left.
 
2020-05-15 5:34:01 PM  

AdmirableSnackbar: Let's wait until he moves left to say that he's moved left.


It's just a jump to the left, and then a step to the right. Put your hands on your hips, and bring your knees in tight. But it's the pelvic thrust that really drives you insa-a-a-a-ne. Let's do the time warp again!
 
2020-05-15 5:47:20 PM  
There is nothing that Biden can say or do to appease the Berner brigade.
 
2020-05-15 6:01:25 PM  
I'm okay with this.
 
2020-05-15 6:01:46 PM  
The beginning of a depression is a great time to do that. Now pick Warren for VP and let her do all the work.
 
2020-05-15 6:04:06 PM  
He's inviting progressives to join in, rather than still calling them names 4 years after *winning* a primary against them?  Why, it almost seems like he's prioritizing party-building over grudge-holding!  Not used to seeing something this smart.

Clinton did not have the instinct to reach out genially to the campaign she'd defeated; in fact, some of her staffers scheduled a videoconference to celebrate when Sanders announced he was dropping out this year. (It was canceled after BuzzFeed reported on it.)

They are never, ever going to get over winning that primary.  This is almost Trump-level pettiness.  And then someone finds out and they cancel.  So they get to look shiatty and spineless at the same time.  I can't even imagine Obama's team doing something like this and neither can you.
 
2020-05-15 6:11:18 PM  

Precious Roy's Horse Dividers: But I have been assured by the concerned brigade that Biden is the Republicaniest Republican to ever Republican!


Not just that but the rapiest raper who ever raped and the most demented dementia that ever demented.

Everything Trump actually is, Biden is being accused of and the message is being amplified by the same bots and hackers that were around in 2016.

And people are falling for it. Again.

Biden was not my first choice. Or my second or third choice for that matter. He does, however, meet the most basic criteria that I'm using to determine who to vote for this November; he's not Trump and he actually has a chance of being elected.

Anyone who continues to argue that Biden is just as bad (or worse) than Trump is either exceptionally gullible, completely divorced from reality or is actively working to get Trump re-elected.
 
2020-05-15 6:24:05 PM  
And before the "if you keep voting for the lesser evil all you'll get is more evil" crowd shows up, allow me to quote Noam Chomsky;

"Another point of disagreement is not factual but involves the ethical/moral principle... sometimes referred to as the 'politics of moral witness.' Generally associated with the religious left, secular leftists implicitly invoke it when they reject LEV on the grounds that "a lesser of two evils is still evil." Leaving aside the obvious rejoinder that this is exactly the point of lesser evil voting-i.e. to do less evil, what needs to be challenged is the assumption that voting should be seen a form of individual self-expression rather than as an act to be judged on its likely consequences, specifically those outlined in 4). The basic moral principle at stake is simple: not only must we take responsibility for our actions, but the consequences of our actions for others are a far more important consideration than feeling good about ourselves.
 
2020-05-15 6:24:59 PM  
Back it up with actions, not words.
 
2020-05-15 6:25:52 PM  

anuran: Dear gods, maybe the DNC isn't completely dedicated to losing


Can we stop this bulslhit where everyone claims that bernie losing is a conspiracy by the DNC, when it really was THE VOTERS.
 
2020-05-15 6:25:59 PM  
That farking gif should be ashamed of itself. What the fark is that.
 
2020-05-15 6:26:02 PM  

Naido: He's inviting progressives to join in, rather than still calling them names 4 years after *winning* a primary against them?  Why, it almost seems like he's prioritizing party-building over grudge-holding!  Not used to seeing something this smart.

Clinton did not have the instinct to reach out genially to the campaign she'd defeated; in fact, some of her staffers scheduled a videoconference to celebrate when Sanders announced he was dropping out this year. (It was canceled after BuzzFeed reported on it.)

They are never, ever going to get over winning that primary.  This is almost Trump-level pettiness.  And then someone finds out and they cancel.  So they get to look shiatty and spineless at the same time.  I can't even imagine Obama's team doing something like this and neither can you.



*snaps fingers*

You are here, now. This is where you are.
 
2020-05-15 6:26:06 PM  

Weatherkiss: Back it up with actions, not words.


Sounds like a great reason to elect him President. You know, so he can do stuff.
 
2020-05-15 6:28:18 PM  

Naido: He's inviting progressives to join in, rather than still calling them names 4 years after *winning* a primary against them?  Why, it almost seems like he's prioritizing party-building over grudge-holding!  Not used to seeing something this smart.

Clinton did not have the instinct to reach out genially to the campaign she'd defeated; in fact, some of her staffers scheduled a videoconference to celebrate when Sanders announced he was dropping out this year. (It was canceled after BuzzFeed reported on it.)

They are never, ever going to get over winning that primary.  This is almost Trump-level pettiness.  And then someone finds out and they cancel.  So they get to look shiatty and spineless at the same time.  I can't even imagine Obama's team doing something like this and neither can you.


They didn't cancel it . They changed the name when the media reported it.
 
2020-05-15 6:28:29 PM  

qorkfiend: Weatherkiss: Back it up with actions, not words.

Sounds like a great reason to elect him President. You know, so he can do stuff.


Sounds like a great reason for him to signal his political ideology before the election by picking a progressive VP.
 
2020-05-15 6:29:49 PM  
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2020-05-15 6:30:35 PM  

Weatherkiss: qorkfiend: Weatherkiss: Back it up with actions, not words.

Sounds like a great reason to elect him President. You know, so he can do stuff.

Sounds like a great reason for him to signal his political ideology before the election by picking a progressive VP.


Why do I get the funny feeling you've decided that Trump being re-elected is fine by you?
 
2020-05-15 6:31:14 PM  
The only thing progressive about Biden is his dementia.
 
2020-05-15 6:32:11 PM  

qorkfiend: Weatherkiss: qorkfiend: Weatherkiss: Back it up with actions, not words.

Sounds like a great reason to elect him President. You know, so he can do stuff.

Sounds like a great reason for him to signal his political ideology before the election by picking a progressive VP.

Why do I get the funny feeling you've decided that Trump being re-elected is fine by you?


Because you've already made up your mind about progressives years ago and you have an insatiable need to justify your preconceptions to fit your personal opinion?
 
2020-05-15 6:33:06 PM  

qorkfiend: Weatherkiss: Back it up with actions, not words.

Sounds like a great reason to elect him President. You know, so he can do stuff.


We have seen what he does.
War on terror
War on poverty
Crime bill
Bankruptcy bill
Bailouts
 
2020-05-15 6:33:47 PM  
You have a choice to make.

Vote for Biden to end the current regime.

Do anything else and Trump gets four more years.
 
2020-05-15 6:34:46 PM  

JDAT: The only thing progressive about Biden is his dementia.


/ and the brain stem of Trump is near non existent
 
2020-05-15 6:35:45 PM  

JDAT: The only thing progressive about Biden is his dementia.


But you're a racist moron, we don't expect you to like Biden.
 
2020-05-15 6:35:56 PM  
He tacks left, which EVERYONE has to at this point, and he's got my vote double.
If Hildawg had just absorbed some of Bernie's plain truths she would have won in a landslide.
She didn't......still doesn't
 
2020-05-15 6:36:38 PM  

casual disregard: You have a choice to make.

Vote for Biden to end the current regime.

Do anything else and Trump gets four more years.


Vote for Biden and throw away progressive causes for a generation while he moves the country more to the right. That means a Republican next time worse than Trump, like we got after Bush.
Or
Vote Green or Sanders and get a progressive in 4 years.
 
2020-05-15 6:37:25 PM  

Weatherkiss: qorkfiend: Weatherkiss: qorkfiend: Weatherkiss: Back it up with actions, not words.

Sounds like a great reason to elect him President. You know, so he can do stuff.

Sounds like a great reason for him to signal his political ideology before the election by picking a progressive VP.

Why do I get the funny feeling you've decided that Trump being re-elected is fine by you?

Because you've already made up your mind about progressives years ago and you have an insatiable need to justify your preconceptions to fit your personal opinion?


That so many of you are petulant children? Yes, I did realize that years ago. You've also done nothing to disabuse me of that notion.
 
2020-05-15 6:37:44 PM  

JDAT: The only thing progressive about Biden is his dementia.


I disagree. Trump is doing a terrible job.
 
2020-05-15 6:38:36 PM  
I'm of the persuasion that Biden doesn't deserve my vote if he's just going to be a Republican in blue. Last week He had nothing to convince me to vote for him. I'm listening and watching now. Convince me you want the votes from us on the left instead of telling us not to vote for you.
 
2020-05-15 6:39:42 PM  
So, am I too late for the shiat on Sanders fest this will become?
 
2020-05-15 6:40:02 PM  

Weatherkiss: qorkfiend: Weatherkiss: qorkfiend: Weatherkiss: Back it up with actions, not words.

Sounds like a great reason to elect him President. You know, so he can do stuff.

Sounds like a great reason for him to signal his political ideology before the election by picking a progressive VP.

Why do I get the funny feeling you've decided that Trump being re-elected is fine by you?

Because you've already made up your mind about progressives years ago and you have an insatiable need to justify your preconceptions to fit your personal opinion?


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2020-05-15 6:40:05 PM  

sinner4ever: casual disregard: You have a choice to make.

Vote for Biden to end the current regime.

Do anything else and Trump gets four more years.

Vote for Biden and throw away progressive causes for a generation while he moves the country more to the right. That means a Republican next time worse than Trump, like we got after Bush.
Or
Vote Green or Sanders and get a progressive in 4 years.


This is what progressives actually believe.

/lolol
 
2020-05-15 6:40:14 PM  

GoodDoctorB: That farking gif should be ashamed of itself. What the fark is that.


Lol. I came here to praise that gif. I cracked up as soon as I saw it.

/quite easily amused
 
2020-05-15 6:40:17 PM  
That certainly didn't take long. We already have "Biden is demented", "Biden's economic policies are the same as Trump" and "voting third party is the only way to do good."

All the Republican talking points in play!
 
2020-05-15 6:40:32 PM  
Maybe Biden realizes it's going to take something on the scale of the New Deal to fix the mess that Trump is leaving behind.
 
2020-05-15 6:41:15 PM  

Precious Roy's Horse Dividers: But I have been assured by the concerned brigade that Biden is the Republicaniest Republican to ever Republican!


A politician is not his platform.  He'll make promises vague statements about his desire to "do things", and then compromise on all of them if he wins in Nov.

Idiots fall for it every time.  That's why we wanted Bernie- it would have been nice to see a politician at least TRY to do the things he says he'll do for once, even if he didn't succeed.  Biden will do exactly what MBNA wants him to do, and the American people might get tossed a bone on a social issue as long as it doesn't interfere with corporations getting even richer.
 
2020-05-15 6:41:17 PM  

Naido: He's inviting progressives to join in, rather than still calling them names 4 years after *winning* a primary against them?  Why, it almost seems like he's prioritizing party-building over grudge-holding!  Not used to seeing something this smart.

Clinton did not have the instinct to reach out genially to the campaign she'd defeated; in fact, some of her staffers scheduled a videoconference to celebrate when Sanders announced he was dropping out this year. (It was canceled after BuzzFeed reported on it.)

They are never, ever going to get over winning that primary.  This is almost Trump-level pettiness.  And then someone finds out and they cancel.  So they get to look shiatty and spineless at the same time.  I can't even imagine Obama's team doing something like this and neither can you.


Biden has always been a better politician in the purest sense than Hillary was. At the end of the day, the voters that voted against you in the primary are still in the D tent more or less. There's no sense in talking shiat about your own base, even Trump's opponents knew that on a base level.
 
2020-05-15 6:42:00 PM  

qorkfiend: Weatherkiss: qorkfiend: Weatherkiss: qorkfiend: Weatherkiss: Back it up with actions, not words.

Sounds like a great reason to elect him President. You know, so he can do stuff.

Sounds like a great reason for him to signal his political ideology before the election by picking a progressive VP.

Why do I get the funny feeling you've decided that Trump being re-elected is fine by you?

Because you've already made up your mind about progressives years ago and you have an insatiable need to justify your preconceptions to fit your personal opinion?

That so many of you are petulant children? Yes, I did realize that years ago. You've also done nothing to disabuse me of that notion.


And your hatered is on full display.

We get it.  Bernie sucks and we should punch ourselves in our genitalia for ever wanting real change.

Oh and Bernie cost Clinton the election just like he will Biden and all his supporters are date rapey drunk frat boys


Did I get it right?
 
2020-05-15 6:42:12 PM  
Good. Maybe instead of following the usual tactic of assuming the progressive vote and wooing the centrist vote, he's going to give wooing the progressives and assuming the centrists a try.

Either way, I'll be giving him a vote, because he's not Trump and he is the only one in a position to beat Trump right now. But if he actually swings more to the progressive side of things, then, wow, I might actually get to feel like I'm voting for him. 

Same vote either way, but it sure would feel nice to vote for someone. Of course, while I'm wishing for things, it would also feel nice to have that someone win and then actually make progress on doing the things that caused me to vote for them (and not just against the opposition).
 
2020-05-15 6:42:59 PM  

DrakhanV: I'm of the persuasion that Biden doesn't deserve my vote if he's just going to be a Republican in blue. Last week He had nothing to convince me to vote for him. I'm listening and watching now. Convince me you want the votes from us on the left instead of telling us not to vote for you.


"Convince me that I should start treatment for cancer instead of just saying cancer is bad"

"Convince me I should put out this fire instead of just telling me the fire will destroy my house"

"Convince me that I need stitches to stop my bleeding instead of just telling me I'm bleeding to death"
 
2020-05-15 6:43:19 PM  

DrakhanV: I'm of the persuasion that Biden doesn't deserve my vote if he's just going to be a Republican in blue. Last week He had nothing to convince me to vote for him. I'm listening and watching now. Convince me you want the votes from us on the left instead of telling us not to vote for you.


And what, exactly, has given you the impression that Biden will be a "Republican in blue"?

Difficulty: don't make shiat up
 
2020-05-15 6:43:55 PM  

sinner4ever: casual disregard: You have a choice to make.

Vote for Biden to end the current regime.

Do anything else and Trump gets four more years.

Vote for Biden and throw away progressive causes for a generation while he moves the country more to the right. That means a Republican next time worse than Trump, like we got after Bush.
Or
Vote Green or Sanders and get a progressive in 4 years.


Every time a Green or Socialist shows his face here the only thing I see now is a Russian. I'm tired of your kind polluting our watering holes and allowing folk like Trump to take control. We can see what you're doing. We're going to vote even if you don't.

I get that you love Trump more than anything. As for myself I do not. And I will never endorse your twisted point of view.

I vote against Trump. You love Trump. I won't bend to your evil.
 
2020-05-15 6:44:15 PM  

Weatherkiss: qorkfiend: Weatherkiss: qorkfiend: Weatherkiss: Back it up with actions, not words.

Sounds like a great reason to elect him President. You know, so he can do stuff.

Sounds like a great reason for him to signal his political ideology before the election by picking a progressive VP.

Why do I get the funny feeling you've decided that Trump being re-elected is fine by you?

Because you've already made up your mind about progressives years ago and you have an insatiable need to justify your preconceptions to fit your personal opinion?


Winnah!
 
2020-05-15 6:44:54 PM  
The energy of the party is in its progressive wing. Ever see a Trump rally? There's a lot of energy there, and they'll turn out to vote. This will be another close election, and if Biden wants to energize the party he needs to at least pretend to listen to the progressives.
 
2020-05-15 6:45:04 PM  

YakBoy42: DrakhanV: I'm of the persuasion that Biden doesn't deserve my vote if he's just going to be a Republican in blue. Last week He had nothing to convince me to vote for him. I'm listening and watching now. Convince me you want the votes from us on the left instead of telling us not to vote for you.

"Convince me that I should start treatment for cancer instead of just saying cancer is bad"

"Convince me I should put out this fire instead of just telling me the fire will destroy my house"

"Convince me that I need stitches to stop my bleeding instead of just telling me I'm bleeding to death"


Don't bother. Anyone who can watch Trump for the last three months and still demand to be "convinced" to vote against him is worthless.
 
2020-05-15 6:45:46 PM  
If you remember ,Harris ,Mayo Pete etc. pretended to lean progressive early in the primary.
They know where the voters want them but Comcast bought Joe into the race when no one else got traction and Republican Bloomberg bought the DNC and media to push Joe more than he deserved.

Another loss gets rid of the Creepy Joe and Clintons for good. There is no way they can get away with not pretending to be progressive next time.
 
2020-05-15 6:46:48 PM  

YakBoy42: And people are falling for it. Again.


Only Republican voters believe anything Alexandra "Mrs. Putin" Reade has to say. But they also believe things Trump has to say, so that tells you everything you need to know about their ability to discern truth.
 
2020-05-15 6:46:48 PM  

JDAT: The only thing progressive about Biden is his dementia.


we get it, you like trump
 
2020-05-15 6:47:02 PM  
Because the "political left" he's pivoting toward is like... 90% of the Democratic Party by ideology, and if he doesn't do this he'd be essentially handing Trump another term even with Trump's massive unpopularity.

Like, here's the thing about the primary: he didn't win the primary because of his ideas.  He explicitly avoided expressing any actual ideas during the primary, his campaign was intentionally void of any new ideas and sparse even on oldones.  He was running on pure name recognition (his own to a degree and Obama's to an overwhelming degree), and it's very clear he was aware of this and leaning into it willfully.  Thus, winning the primary doesn't represent a triumph of his proposed agenda.  He openly admits at this point that he didn't have an agenda during the primary at this point, that's what getting a task force together to belatedly write him one is about.

So... he damned well knows that his own political leanings aren't what anyone voted for, so what policies does he then adopt if not his own center-right, corporatist, not-racist-but-#1-with-racists appeasement shiat?

Obviously, he looks to what the Democratic party has directly said it's ideals and agenda is as a party, by way of polling about actual issues.  If you construct an agenda made solely of supporting things that 90% plus of Democrats want, and opposing everything 90% plus of them want to avoid... you get basically Bernie Sanders, or maybe a little bit further left than that.

So... that's what he's doing.  You don't run a campaign intentionally solely based on platitudes and appeals to other people's good reputation if you're actually naive enough to think that there's anything to be gained from appealing to the GOP's base in an election, so he's not going to do that.  Under it all, Biden's a political realist and one of the more aggressively opportunistic parasites in US politics: he knows that the key right now is to actually get Democrats, and I mean all of them, not the 10% of them engaged enough to vote in primaries, to actually show up and vote.  So that's what he's going to do.

The election is entirely about convincing nominal democrats that the party actually represents their interests so that they vote instead of staying home.  The Right actually wants this plague and this level of economic disaster to continue, and the so called "centrist" swing voters... don't.  Like, centrists matter waaaaaaay less than actual Democrats in this election, because if you are actually independent enough to vote for either party based on the individual candidates the chance of you picking Trump are somewhere between "zero" and "HAHAHAHAH.  HAHAHA.  Heh. ... not, but seriously, zero."  Appealing to either of those groups is a complete waste of farking time.  So, y'know... he's not trying.

// It's probably for the best that he's a soulless political parasite, because if he actually had the moral fiber to have his own ideology and stick to it the final required step to convince anyone, which is to declare a cabinet and VP with real progressive cred, would stick in his craw hard enough to choke him to death.
 
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