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2020-05-15 3:46:30 PM  
David Simon did a whole tv show about this called plot to destroy america
 
2020-05-15 3:48:43 PM  
Japan would not have attacked Pearl Harbor because the US would have joined the Axis.
 
2020-05-15 3:54:30 PM  

the unabomber was right: David Simon did a whole tv show about this called plot to destroy america


I was 7 minutes too late.
 
2020-05-15 3:58:11 PM  

King Something: Japan would not have attacked Pearl Harbor because the US would have joined the Axis.


This. And, like now, at least 40% of Americans would have supported it out of active agreement or blind faith.
 
2020-05-15 4:01:06 PM  
"Adolf sends me beautiful love letters, and paintings... like dogs, paintings of dogs. I love dogs supremely"
 
2020-05-15 4:03:50 PM  
I'd wager that the US would become a puppet state of the Axis and that Trump would be a figurehead at most and would remain so long as he was "useful".  All of the people doing real work would report back to Berlin.
 
2020-05-15 4:05:45 PM  
We'd be speaking German and/or Japanese.
 
2020-05-15 4:19:37 PM  

capt_sensible: We'd be speaking German and/or Japanese.


Maybe.  Another scenario is that the central government conducts all business in German but the general population is allowed to continue speaking English "for the time being".  Except that many loyal families ensure that their kids learn German, which results in them using a mixture of of the two languages when speaking to peers.  We'd slowly end up with Angleutch.  But given the inner friction and corruption within the empire, it finally splinters, and the Deutchification ceases.

Think of it as the modern version of the Norman invasion and its influence on the English language, just in reverse.
 
2020-05-15 4:19:45 PM  
GREAT headline
 
2020-05-15 4:20:34 PM  
Boatloads of refugees fleeing Hitler would have been turned away at the border because reasons.

Never mind... that actually happened. Sorry.
 
2020-05-15 4:25:42 PM  

capt_sensible: We'd be speaking German and/or Japanese.


yup
 
2020-05-15 4:31:17 PM  

King Something: Japan would not have attacked Pearl Harbor because the US would have joined the Axis.


We're done
 
2020-05-15 4:44:59 PM  

capt_sensible: We'd be speaking German and/or Japanese.


ZETTAI B0CKM1ST!!!!
 
2020-05-15 5:20:39 PM  

capt_sensible: We'd be speaking German and/or Japanese.


Alexa Davalos was supremely beautiful in that show.
 
2020-05-15 5:23:02 PM  
"I didn't ask the Japanese to bomb Pearl Harbor. I take no responsibility. The Germans and Japanese will just go away, soon, it'll be like they were never here. I'm doing such a great job."
 
2020-05-15 5:37:48 PM  

capt_sensible: We'd be speaking German and/or Japanese.


I've read several SF books around the theme that the US was split at the Mississippi.
 
2020-05-15 5:40:50 PM  
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2020-05-15 5:41:07 PM  
idk the USSR was pretty instrumental in the defeat of the nazis. The US less so.
 
2020-05-15 5:43:35 PM  
The Man in the High Castle?
 
2020-05-15 5:44:06 PM  
My mom was born in December of 41. She did it.
 
2020-05-15 5:44:23 PM  
He would have done a much better job than he's doing now due to the fact he would have been a single cell in each parent (-7 years old). Can we have that version?
 
2020-05-15 5:45:08 PM  
We would've had peace in our time, all right.
 
2020-05-15 5:46:10 PM  
Read this book.  Frighteningly congruent with today's America
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2020-05-15 5:46:12 PM  

King Something: Japan would not have attacked Pearl Harbor because the US would have joined the Axis.


Yeah, pretty much this.  Or US isolationism will basically cause everywhere and then eventually the US to be taken over by Germany.
 
2020-05-15 5:46:55 PM  
Pretty sure a lot of us wouldn't be here if he were, Subby.
 
2020-05-15 5:47:04 PM  

Biohazard Banana Suit: idk the USSR was pretty instrumental in the defeat of the nazis. The US less so.


While the Soviet contribution to the war is often overlooked in the West, to say that the US's contribution was not critical would be stretching it a bit too far.  Without the US's support of Britain via lend-lease, it is entirely conceivable that Britain would have been invaded or sued for peace in the early years.  It was the Western front that was spearheaded by US/Anglo invasions in North Africa, Italy and France that kept critical Wehrmacht assets away from the Russian front, and helped drain the Reich dry.  If either the Russians or the English had capitulated to the Nazis, the history of this time would be greatly different.
 
2020-05-15 5:47:43 PM  
Yesterday, December 7, a date which will live in Bigliness, the United States of America was suddenly and deliberately attacked by naval and air forces of the Empire of Japan.  Their leader Tojo is a good friend of mine, you know, but maybe not so much any more.  We'll see what happens.
 
2020-05-15 5:48:40 PM  

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Turkmenistan Trump will defeat the virus with his off-roading prowess.
 
2020-05-15 5:49:40 PM  

capt_sensible: We'd be speaking German and/or Japanese.


Oooh what if it was like a hybrid of the two? Japagermanese?
 
2020-05-15 5:50:40 PM  
Yesterday, December 7th, Imperial Japan attacked our naval and air bases in Hawaii and the Phillipines.  Today, December 8th, I have ordered a full and unconditional surrender.  Praise Hirohito!
 
2020-05-15 5:52:21 PM  
I bet Trump would have done something awful like round up all the Japanese people and put them into concentration camps.
 
2020-05-15 5:54:40 PM  
Hitler would have wrote tRUmp a beautiful letter that he would keep in his pocket that made him "fall in love" with him.

Then Hitler will tell him that Poland attacked him first and despite all the intelligence agencies telling him different, tRUmp would have "no reason not to believe him".

tRUmp would then take a creepy photo op with Hitler closely holding a glowing globe of earth together.


Your basic love story.
 
2020-05-15 5:55:04 PM  
There wouldn't be homeless problems in San Francisco and Portland?
/Sarcasm because that's not an acceptable trade off.

Skleenar: Biohazard Banana Suit: idk the USSR was pretty instrumental in the defeat of the nazis. The US less so.

While the Soviet contribution to the war is often overlooked in the West, to say that the US's contribution was not critical would be stretching it a bit too far.  Without the US's support of Britain via lend-lease, it is entirely conceivable that Britain would have been invaded or sued for peace in the early years.  It was the Western front that was spearheaded by US/Anglo invasions in North Africa, Italy and France that kept critical Wehrmacht assets away from the Russian front, and helped drain the Reich dry.  If either the Russians or the English had capitulated to the Nazis, the history of this time would be greatly different.


Also the US supplied a thousand locomotives, thousands of planes and tanks to the USSR, $11 billion goods in total.
 
2020-05-15 5:56:29 PM  
No subby.  I will not picture Trump sucking off Hitler, Mussolini, and Stalin at the same time.
 
2020-05-15 5:56:42 PM  
ONE thing would have been different, at least.

Hubert Hoover would have died peaceably, knowing he was not going to be the worst President.

We also would not have the New Deal or be discussing a Green New Deal.  And, presidents might be able to go for more than two terms.

So, like, four things.  At least.
 
2020-05-15 5:57:28 PM  

PsyLord: King Something: Japan would not have attacked Pearl Harbor because the US would have joined the Axis.

Yeah, pretty much this.  Or US isolationism will basically cause everywhere and then eventually the US to be taken over by Germany.


One of the plans was to leave North America alone and to split the rest of the world.

Trump would have joined the Axis or stayed in his corner as long as he is getting rich.  (No matter the cost to America and her citizens)
 
2020-05-15 5:59:24 PM  
Marshall Plan tied to kickbacks and 70 years later the Trump family owns 95% of Europe, of course. Still declared bankruptcy a bunch of times in the '80s and '90s. The internet was never invented and the moon landing actually was faked.
 
2020-05-15 5:59:40 PM  

scottydoesntknow: capt_sensible: We'd be speaking German and/or Japanese.

Oooh what if it was like a hybrid of the two? Japagermanese?


Engrish with 14 letter compound words.
 
2020-05-15 6:00:51 PM  
Here you go, subbs. Though I would argue Trump is worse.

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2020-05-15 6:04:33 PM  

Skleenar: Without the US's support of Britain via lend-lease, it is entirely conceivable that Britain would have been invaded or sued for peace in the early years.


There was never a serious threat of the Germans invading Britain. Nazi Germany simply didn't have the ships, let alone the manpower, particularly after taking the idiotic decision to attack their ally in the USSR. If they had fortified their positions to the West and exclusively used what naval and air presence they had to isolate the UK, the British would have capitulated and very quickly become Denmark-on-Sea. With the British suing for peace, the USA would have no further qualms with the Third Reich and normal relations would have been established.

The wild card in all of this, of course, were the Japanese, and their lust for oil was going to lead to confrontation with the USA eventually, one way or the other. The question is whether the German-Soviet bloc would bother keeping up their mutual defence pact with the crazed Japanese, or if they would have denounced them and supported American, Chinese, and Commonwealth efforts against them.

How differently things could have turned out if Hitler wasn't a farking power-crazed psychopath...
 
2020-05-15 6:07:14 PM  
Das stimmt. rump wäre Mitglied die NSDAP
 
2020-05-15 6:07:26 PM  
rump=Trump
 
2020-05-15 6:07:54 PM  
1940? A year or more before the attack on Pearl Harbor, and while we were ignoring the atrocities being committed by the Nazis? Meh.

December of 1941, OTOH? Yeah, we wouldn't be the Land of the Free anymore, let's just leave it at that.
 
2020-05-15 6:09:35 PM  
The United States in 1940 had human resources at least comparable to Russia and non-human resources that were light years ahead of the USSR---and the Germans would have somehow had to get over all that water. Hitler dreamed of making war on the US after polishing off the Bolsheviks, but that's all. The Germans never seriously considered an invasion of the continental US, focusing on attacking shipping.

Had Hitler been daft enough to try...Trump might have thoroughly enjoyed being a real wartime president, if only because he would have fun encouraging fans to boo Hitler at rallies.

The more compliant media of the day would have helped any previous attempts to make deals with Hitler (including, say, Trump's agreeing to not oppose the occupation of Great Britain and Ireland in exchange for an agreement by Hitler to not disturb US interests in occupied Europe) down the memory hole. The details of the defense he would probably happily delegate to his heroes in uniform if they didn't simply ignore his attempts to micromanage.

Would the US have bothered trying to liberate Europe from Hitler under Trump? Unlikely. Would German probably be the language of commerce in Europe, not English? Likely. Would the Axis have conquered the US? Almost certainly not. Would (non-Amish) Americans now speak German? Not bloody likely.
 
2020-05-15 6:11:38 PM  
There wasn't twitter at the time so what would Trump's preferred means of communication be?

It would all be a disaster is all I know.
 
2020-05-15 6:13:26 PM  

scottydoesntknow: capt_sensible: We'd be speaking German and/or Japanese.

Oooh what if it was like a hybrid of the two? Japagermanese?


That's like a bad mixed drink. Jagermeister and Sake, yum.
 
2020-05-15 6:15:54 PM  
Since Hawaii wasn't a state at the time, pretty sure he'd just chuck some paper towels at them after Pearl Harbor.
 
2020-05-15 6:17:11 PM  

Gergesa: There wasn't twitter at the time so what would Trump's preferred means of communication be?

It would all be a disaster is all I know.


Semaphore..?
 
2020-05-15 6:17:57 PM  

Glorious Golden Ass: No subby.  I will not picture Trump sucking off Hitler, Mussolini, and Stalin at the same time.


More like a spitroast and a tiny handjob.
 
2020-05-15 6:18:35 PM  

Gergesa: There wasn't twitter at the time so what would Trump's preferred means of communication be?

It would all be a disaster is all I know.


Well, FDR was famous for his radio "Fireside Chats", only rather than 30 of them over 10 years, with a general length of around 25 minutes, there'd be one daily and they'd go on for 3 hours each.
 
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