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2020-05-15 1:26:02 PM  
If donald* had read the job description, none of this would have happened.

And he would have gotten away with it too, if it weren't for those meddling lawyers and stuff.
 
2020-05-15 1:29:09 PM  
Something else to be appealed to SCOTUS for them to rule on after the election?
 
2020-05-15 1:42:22 PM  

OldRod: Something else to be appealed to SCOTUS for them to rule on after the election?


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2020-05-15 1:46:38 PM  

YabbaDabbaDouchebag: If donald* had read the job description, none of this would have happened.

And he would have gotten away with it too, if it weren't for those meddling lawyers and stuff.


The ambiguities and loopholes of the job description is exactly why he took the job.
 
2020-05-15 2:01:14 PM  
Donnie will demand Tim Apple come out with iMolument.
 
2020-05-15 2:06:54 PM  
Let me tell you 'bout a place
Somewhere up a New York way
Where the people are so gay (not that there's anything wrong with that)
Griftin' the night away
Here they have a lot of fun
Putin trouble on the run
Man, you find the old and young
Griftin' the night away
They're griftin', griftin'
Everybody's feelin' great
They're griftin', griftin'
They're griftin' the night away
 
2020-05-15 3:18:35 PM  
Good. Bend him over and take all his money
 
2020-05-15 3:22:30 PM  
Another 5-4 SCOTUS decision.
 
2020-05-15 3:22:39 PM  

vudukungfu: Good. Bend him over and take all his money


I'd like some of whatever hallucinogen you're currently partaking in.

He's going to ignore this like every other judicial action against him.
 
2020-05-15 3:23:58 PM  
FTFA: "We disagree with the decision of the Fourth Circuit. This case is another example of Presidential harassment. We will be seeking review at the Supreme Court," said Jay Sekulow, one of Trump's personal lawyers.

PRESIDENTIAL HARASSMENT!!!

Has there ever been a president that has had more cases before the Supreme Court that directly involve him?

/Sekulow is a piece of shiat
 
2020-05-15 3:25:05 PM  
In a 21-page decision, Judge Diana Gribbon Motz described some of the Department of Justice's arguments on behalf of Trump as "puzzling."

That's been the case ever since Barr took over.
 
2020-05-15 3:25:38 PM  

Officer Barrelroll: FTFA: "We disagree with the decision of the Fourth Circuit. This case is another example of Presidential harassment. We will be seeking review at the Supreme Court," said Jay Sekulow, one of Trump's personal lawyers.

PRESIDENTIAL HARASSMENT!!!

Has there ever been a president that has had more cases before the Supreme Court that directly involve him?

/Sekulow is a piece of shiat


Who will hopefully be disbarred after all of this is over b
 
2020-05-15 3:25:39 PM  
Of course it should be the DoJ with a special counsel pursuing this case because of federal interest.  But we know how likely that is.

The problem is look for DoJ lawyers to pop up and say that the DC and Maryland's AGs don't have jurisdiction because it is a federal matter.
 
2020-05-15 3:26:04 PM  

YabbaDabbaDouchebag: If donald* had read the job description, none of this would have happened.

And he would have gotten away with it too, if it weren't for those meddling lawyers and stuff.


Sadly, he didn't read them, whether thanks to laziness, illiteracy, or dyslexia, and I don't think it counts if someone reads it to him if he does not listen and still agrees.
 
2020-05-15 3:26:44 PM  
This makes me nostalgic for the days when we had a rule of law.
 
2020-05-15 3:27:52 PM  

REDARMYVODKA: vudukungfu: Good. Bend him over and take all his money

I'd like some of whatever hallucinogen you're currently partaking in.

He's going to ignore this like every other judicial action against him.


We have an argument here for arming the judiciary.
 
2020-05-15 3:28:20 PM  
I'm so friggin tired of this sentient cheeto representing our country.
 
2020-05-15 3:28:21 PM  
Nothing going to happen.gif
 
2020-05-15 3:29:14 PM  

Officer Barrelroll: FTFA: "We disagree with the decision of the Fourth Circuit. This case is another example of Presidential harassment. We will be seeking review at the Supreme Court," said Jay Sekulow, one of Trump's personal lawyers.


If there was ever proof of snowflake entitlement in this country, it's the idea that compliance with the law is harassment.
 
2020-05-15 3:29:50 PM  

CheatCommando: Officer Barrelroll: FTFA: "We disagree with the decision of the Fourth Circuit. This case is another example of Presidential harassment. We will be seeking review at the Supreme Court," said Jay Sekulow, one of Trump's personal lawyers.

PRESIDENTIAL HARASSMENT!!!

Has there ever been a president that has had more cases before the Supreme Court that directly involve him?

/Sekulow is a piece of shiat

Who will hopefully be disbarred after all of this is over b


Dismembered would be preferable
 
2020-05-15 3:30:45 PM  

YabbaDabbaDouchebag: If donald* had read the job description, none of this would have happened.

And he would have gotten away with it too, if it weren't for those meddling lawyers and stuff.


The job description is pretty short:

"The executive power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America. He shall hold his office during the term of four years....No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty five years, and been fourteen Years a resident within the United States....
The President shall be commander in chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the militia of the several states, when called into the actual service of the United States; he may require the opinion, in writing, of the principal officer in each of the executive departments, upon any subject relating to the duties of their respective offices, and he shall have power to grant reprieves and pardons for offenses against the United States, except in cases of impeachment.
He shall have power, by and with the advice and consent of the Senate, to make treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur; and he shall nominate, and by and with the advice and consent of the Senate, shall appoint ambassadors, other public ministers and consuls, judges of the Supreme Court, and all other officers of the United States, whose appointments are not herein otherwise provided for, and which shall be established by law: but the Congress may by law vest the appointment of such inferior officers, as they think proper, in the President alone, in the courts of law, or in the heads of departments.

The President shall have power to fill up all vacancies that may happen during the recess of the Senate, by granting commissions which shall expire at the end of their next session.

He shall from time to time give to the Congress information of the state of the union, and recommend to their consideration such measures as he shall judge necessary and expedient; he may, on extraordinary occasions, convene both Houses, or either of them, and in case of disagreement between them, with respect to the time of adjournment, he may adjourn them to such time as he shall think proper; he shall receive ambassadors and other public ministers; he shall take care that the laws be faithfully executed, and shall commission all the officers of the United States. "

I don't see anything is that "job description"'describing opening financial records or releasing tax returns.

The emoluments issue is definitely interesting, but I don't think the idea that a government official staying at a hotel rises to a level of "bribery"

Like most Trump involved hysterics, be it Russia collusion, obstruction of justice claims, or other supposed high crimes there is tons of smoke and no fire. Adam Schiff spent a couple of years beating the "I have heaps of evidence" drum only now we know there was less than nothing there.

I think it's deliberate - the left wing literati clutch their pearls and rant and rave, filing lawsuits and writing screeds about Trump, and when they finally get to peek at what they want, there's nothing. People see it, and it seems to be costing the left lots of emotional capital.
 
2020-05-15 3:31:29 PM  
So the dude has been in violation of a law that explicitly laid out in the Constitution, and it took 3 years for the courts to decide that it can go forward. No wonder nobody has faith in government anymore.
 
2020-05-15 3:31:54 PM  
Biden should lead the cry of "Lock the up"  As pictures of D2S and his family are photoshopped in prison attire.

C'mon that would set the fat basterd on spin.

Some time, Biden might joke "You know kids, the first one that turns state's evidence gets a "Stay out Jail" card but there's only one of those."

I'm Eric - even money
Traitor Tot - 2 : 1
Ivanka 10 : 1
Baron:  5 : 1
 
2020-05-15 3:35:30 PM  
9 to 6. farking 9 to 6 for something happening out in the open completely and undeniably. Literally a law saying trump not allowed to own the dc hotel, and yet a 9 to 6 decision. Our justice system is beyond broken and corrupt.
 
2020-05-15 3:41:59 PM  

Bearishlyphat: YabbaDabbaDouchebag: If donald* had read the job description, none of this would have happened.

And he would have gotten away with it too, if it weren't for those meddling lawyers and stuff.

The job description is pretty short:

"The executive power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America. He shall hold his office during the term of four years....No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty five years, and been fourteen Years a resident within the United States....
The President shall be commander in chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the militia of the several states, when called into the actual service of the United States; he may require the opinion, in writing, of the principal officer in each of the executive departments, upon any subject relating to the duties of their respective offices, and he shall have power to grant reprieves and pardons for offenses against the United States, except in cases of impeachment.
He shall have power, by and with the advice and consent of the Senate, to make treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur; and he shall nominate, and by and with the advice and consent of the Senate, shall appoint ambassadors, other public ministers and consuls, judges of the Supreme Court, and all other officers of the United States, whose appointments are not herein otherwise provided for, and which shall be established by law: but the Congress may by law vest the appointment of such inferior officers, as they think proper, in the President alone, in the courts of law, or in the heads of departments.

The President shall have power to fill up all vacancies that may happen during the recess of the Senate, by granting commissions which shall expire at the end of their next session.

He shall from time to time give to the Congress information of the state of the union, and recommend to their consideration such measures as he shall judge necessary and expedient; he may, on extraordinary occasions, convene both Houses, or either of them, and in case of disagreement between them, with respect to the time of adjournment, he may adjourn them to such time as he shall think proper; he shall receive ambassadors and other public ministers; he shall take care that the laws be faithfully executed, and shall commission all the officers of the United States. "

I don't see anything is that "job description"'describing opening financial records or releasing tax returns.

The emoluments issue is definitely interesting, but I don't think the idea that a government official staying at a hotel rises to a level of "bribery"

Like most Trump involved hysterics, be it Russia collusion, obstruction of justice claims, or other supposed high crimes there is tons of smoke and no fire. Adam Schiff spent a couple of years beating the "I have heaps of evidence" drum only now we know there was less than nothing there.

I think it's deliberate - the left wing literati clutch their pearls and rant and rave, filing lawsuits and writing screeds about Trump, and when they finally get to peek at what they want, there's nothing. People see it, and it seems to be costing the left lots of emotional capital.


Do you think he is allowing all laws to be faithfully executed?
 
2020-05-15 3:51:48 PM  

Bearishlyphat: The emoluments issue is definitely interesting, but I don't think the idea that a government official staying at a hotel rises to a level of "bribery"


Assuming the stay is not provided at-cost, it seems likely a "profit or gain", and therefore might be considered an "emolument". Whether it would be "bribery" depends on whether there is a corrupt quid pro quo to accompany, particularly if there is payment of an above-market rate. Although it isn't automatically a bribe, it might well be the mechanism of one.

Of course, the difficulty of showing such seems one reason the framers made the emolument ban a categorical one.
 
2020-05-15 4:03:11 PM  
Bearishlyphat:

LOL, the R's made Jimmy Carter sell his peanut farm because someone really rich might corner the peanut market and increase the value of Jimmy's peanut crop, currying favor with the President.  It's so much more cost effective and efficient for those same someones to rent hotel rooms to bribe the President
 
2020-05-15 4:06:37 PM  

SolderGlob: So the dude has been in violation of a law that explicitly laid out in the Constitution, and it took 3 years for the courts to decide that it can go forward. No wonder nobody has faith in government anymore.


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All the court has said so far is that the lawsuit can proceed. They rejected the "being president means you're the boss of everyone and nobody can sue you" defense. So, yay for that, but there's a long way to go.
 
2020-05-15 4:14:55 PM  

Super Chronic: SolderGlob: So the dude has been in violation of a law that explicitly laid out in the Constitution, and it took 3 years for the courts to decide that it can go forward. No wonder nobody has faith in government anymore.

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All the court has said so far is that the lawsuit can proceed. They rejected the "being president means you're the boss of everyone and nobody can sue you" defense. So, yay for that, but there's a long way to go.


That's kinda my point, it's been over 3 years of him violating the law and we're JUST NOW getting the courts to say allow the suit. Un-farking-believable.
 
2020-05-15 4:33:37 PM  

SolderGlob: Super Chronic: SolderGlob: So the dude has been in violation of a law that explicitly laid out in the Constitution, and it took 3 years for the courts to decide that it can go forward. No wonder nobody has faith in government anymore.

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All the court has said so far is that the lawsuit can proceed. They rejected the "being president means you're the boss of everyone and nobody can sue you" defense. So, yay for that, but there's a long way to go.

That's kinda my point, it's been over 3 years of him violating the law and we're JUST NOW getting the courts to say allow the suit. Un-farking-believable.


Yeah after posting I realized you did say that. I thought you were saying the court had decided he was violating the law.
 
2020-05-15 4:39:54 PM  

HypnozombieX: 9 to 6. farking 9 to 6 for something happening out in the open completely and undeniably. Literally a law saying trump not allowed to own the dc hotel, and yet a 9 to 6 decision. Our justice system is beyond broken and corrupt.


It overturned a previous ruling by an all-Republican panel from the same damn court. The only thing that saved this was the 9 remaining Democrats managing to get it heard en banc.

Tell me again how judges aren't partisan, Fark.
 
2020-05-15 4:42:05 PM  

Bearishlyphat: Adam Schiff spent a couple of years beating the "I have heaps of evidence" drum only now we know there was less than nothing there.


This is how I know you are not a serious person, and your opinions can safely be ignored.
 
2020-05-15 4:45:23 PM  
Officer Barrelroll:

/Sekulow is a piece of shiat

Sekulow was one of the lawyers representing the butthurt right-wing groups who sued the IRS because they lied on their non-profit applications and the IRS had the audacity to call them on it. At the same time he was representing Donald Trump. So he advised one of his clients to settle with the other client by giving them taxpayer money in order to make the IRS look it was targeting conservatives. The fact he still has his law license is everything you need to know about how useless the Bar Association is in this country.
 
2020-05-15 5:14:57 PM  
$970,000.00
 
2020-05-15 5:35:32 PM  

Troy Aikman's Giant Thumbs: Officer Barrelroll:

/Sekulow is a piece of shiat

Sekulow was one of the lawyers representing the butthurt right-wing groups who sued the IRS because they lied on their non-profit applications and the IRS had the audacity to call them on it. At the same time he was representing Donald Trump. So he advised one of his clients to settle with the other client by giving them taxpayer money in order to make the IRS look it was targeting conservatives. The fact he still has his law license is everything you need to know about how useless the Bar Association is in this country.


He has been Pat Robertson's attack/lap dog for decades..Pat has been funneling him money
to keep his "Center for law and justice"  (Kinda like the Ministry of Love or the Ministry of Peace from 1984)
going..His whole schtick has been to create lawsuit situations that he can drag into courts to get
special dispensations for "Christians" to do whatever the fark they want.... He's akin to a fraudulent
lawyer that creates car wrecks just so he can get into the lawsuits between the insurance companies
and collect...TOTAL SCUMBAG
 
2020-05-15 5:57:11 PM  

Mr. Shabooboo: Troy Aikman's Giant Thumbs: Officer Barrelroll:

/Sekulow is a piece of shiat

Sekulow was one of the lawyers representing the butthurt right-wing groups who sued the IRS because they lied on their non-profit applications and the IRS had the audacity to call them on it. At the same time he was representing Donald Trump. So he advised one of his clients to settle with the other client by giving them taxpayer money in order to make the IRS look it was targeting conservatives. The fact he still has his law license is everything you need to know about how useless the Bar Association is in this country.

He has been Pat Robertson's attack/lap dog for decades..Pat has been funneling him money
to keep his "Center for law and justice"  (Kinda like the Ministry of Love or the Ministry of Peace from 1984)
going..His whole schtick has been to create lawsuit situations that he can drag into courts to get
special dispensations for "Christians" to do whatever the fark they want.... He's akin to a fraudulent
lawyer that creates car wrecks just so he can get into the lawsuits between the insurance companies
and collect...TOTAL SCUMBAG


Oh I agree. He's a horrible human being but the blatant conflict of interest in the IRS case shows how little legal ethics are enforced in this country.
 
2020-05-15 6:02:37 PM  

Officer Barrelroll: FTFA: "We disagree with the decision of the Fourth Circuit. This case is another example of Presidential harassment. We will be seeking review at the Supreme Court," said Jay Sekulow, one of Trump's personal lawyers.

PRESIDENTIAL HARASSMENT!!!

Has there ever been a president that has had more cases before the Supreme Court that directly involve him?

/Sekulow is a piece of shiat



If I wasn't so lazy I'd go count how many times Trump harassed Obama on Twitter. He was the biggest voice in the Birther Movement, FFS. Every time I hear the phrase "presidential harassment" I have to stop myself from throwing something at the TV - seriously. Screaming at the TV is still on the table though.
 
2020-05-16 7:00:29 AM  
Oversight is not harrassment. Every POTUS since Washington has gone through it. It's part of the job.
 
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